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2013-07-20 08:03:27 AM
Wow. It must be nice to be able to just sit on your ass for a tax free $70,000 a year when you are not in reality at all disabled. And the bonus is that was the prize for being corrupt and getting busted for it. Hell, no wonder there are so many corrupt cops if that is the "punishment" for getting caught.
 
2013-07-20 08:23:54 AM
Nice.  Prosecutors and Internal Affairs use the disability system as an incentive to get guys to quit.

Even the union rep who applauded the decision says "These guys are playing by the rules of the game.  They need to change the rules."

It's not a farking GAME, you piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-20 08:30:24 AM
So instead of indicting him for being a crooked cop they allowed him to go on disability and collect nearly $6,000 a month?

Parasites.
 
2013-07-20 08:30:47 AM
Time to pull in every last one of those 5,000+ corrupt cops on disability and test them all.

Sad thing is that doing so gives them warning to prepare their phony pains and aliments.
 
2013-07-20 08:31:43 AM
What a dumbass.
Consider though that at some point, this guy was considered smart enough to be a cop in the first place.
 
2013-07-20 08:39:27 AM
I have known people collecting on the basis of being obese, alcoholic or mentally ill. I have also seen people ecstatic at getting approved, seeing this as a preferable alternative to to welfare since no politician ever talks about cutting this program.


The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
 
2013-07-20 08:48:32 AM
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-20 08:48:36 AM
I would prefer to see him jailed and all of his assets confiscated. Then, hopefully, he gets shanked in jail. That would be funny.
 
2013-07-20 08:50:50 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Time to pull in every last one of those 5,000+ corrupt cops on disability and test them all.


it is not ok to scam disability providers no matter who you are
 
2013-07-20 08:52:19 AM

Catlenfell: I have known people collecting on the basis of being obese, alcoholic or mentally ill. I have also seen people ecstatic at getting approved, seeing this as a preferable alternative to to welfare since no politician ever talks about cutting this program.


The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/


Needs repeating
 
2013-07-20 08:55:35 AM
I know of a retired Air Force officer who gets 40 percent disability who just finished his second thru hike of the Appalachian Trail. How does that work?
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=12810
 
2013-07-20 09:01:16 AM
csb
I was preparing to leave for Workers Comp hearing a few years ago, when our Insurance Co.'s attorney called and told me we weren't going. The Comp judge that was to hear the case was ill and the case had been reassigned. The new judge had NEVER ruled against a plaintiff in 11 years on the bench. There was no point in contesting the claim. That was disheartening.
 
2013-07-20 09:01:34 AM
Handi-Man?
 
2013-07-20 09:04:13 AM

Catlenfell: I have known people collecting on the basis of being obese, alcoholic or mentally ill. I have also seen people ecstatic at getting approved, seeing this as a preferable alternative to to welfare since no politician ever talks about cutting this program.


The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/


It swing absurdly to either direction. A coworker is exhibiting signs of PTSD, and without going into specifics, you should be able to imagine how a firefighter/EMT might come across traumatic stress in the discharge of his duties.

He doesn't want disability, he wants help and needs some time off. However, it is the city's comp insurer's position that PTSD is not a "thing." So he's exhausted his vacation time and been ordered to stop using his sick time for this issue. He's seeing a shrink on his own time but is fighting with our general health insurer, because it's their position that PTSD is a thing, that it's work-related, and therefore not their responsibility.
 
2013-07-20 09:08:09 AM
I feel like I walk with pebbles in my shoes with socks stuck between my toes, tingles in my lower legs and sometimes in my forarms. Left side of my face is a bit asleep to. MS is such fun, but I still work and keep trying to do better for my family. Must be great to be human pieces of shiat like these assholes.
 
2013-07-20 09:11:24 AM
Disability and other types of fraud are serious and should be investigated and all that jazz....

But that's crime on a different level than stealing.  I mean, really stealing things from individuals.  Not large corporations or governments.  Both are wrong, but the amount of damage an individual can cause YOU is many times more than what they can cause 'All customers of Allstate' or 'All citizens of Iowa'.

So, he's a d-bag for the disability thing and should be in jail - but he's 10x the d-bag for stealing.  Not just stealing, but stealing when he was being paid to uphold the law?  Stealing valuable items from individuals.  And when he resigned, everyone just dropped the charges?  Oh - well, he's a dirty criminal - but we're not paying him anymore - so we can just let it slide?

Fraud is one thing - the guy lied on some paperwork and got approved.  Big deal.

But the stealing - as a cop - *getting caught* and then everyone knowing he's guilty, guilty enough to resign his position - and everyone involved in the case just dropping it because he's an ex-cop?  That's a real crime, perpetrated not by 'one guy who wants to cheat the system' but an entire department of honorable law enforcers.

What.  The.  Hell.
 
2013-07-20 09:15:36 AM
In a true and just world - he'd be made to pay back ALL of the money he's received within say a 120 day period... or we break his legs, crush his pelvis, or something to REALLY put him on disability while pulling all his benefits.  Or, throw him in jail for a few years and make sure the roughest gangbangers know he was a cop. Or, show up at his house one day and kneecap him, he wants to get paid like a disabled man, let's make him disabled.

His gravy boat days should be balanced out with pure hell/misery/suffering.

This makes me just as mad as the people who are just fat and getting disability. Cut off their benefits, let them starve for a few weeks, and they will drop the weight and magically be able to work again. I have no problem with people who want to be fat, but they should be required to do it on their own dime.

You don't work, you don't get paid.  Want to retire or live a life of luxury? save you rmoney and make smart choices.
 
2013-07-20 09:20:39 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Disability and other types of fraud are serious and should be investigated and all that jazz....

But that's crime on a different level than stealing.  I mean, really stealing things from individuals.  Not large corporations or governments.  Both are wrong, but the amount of damage an individual can cause YOU is many times more than what they can cause 'All customers of Allstate' or 'All citizens of Iowa'.

So, he's a d-bag for the disability thing and should be in jail - but he's 10x the d-bag for stealing.  Not just stealing, but stealing when he was being paid to uphold the law?  Stealing valuable items from individuals.  And when he resigned, everyone just dropped the charges?  Oh - well, he's a dirty criminal - but we're not paying him anymore - so we can just let it slide?

Fraud is one thing - the guy lied on some paperwork and got approved.  Big deal.

But the stealing - as a cop - *getting caught* and then everyone knowing he's guilty, guilty enough to resign his position - and everyone involved in the case just dropping it because he's an ex-cop?  That's a real crime, perpetrated not by 'one guy who wants to cheat the system' but an entire department of honorable law enforcers.

What.  The.  Hell.


Oh wow so he was stealing on the job? Old school:  chop his hand off. Whichever one he writes with (dominant hand) is probably the one he steals with.

No disability at that point either -- you can push a broom with one hand.

I'm a huge proponent of social shaming and punishments that show everyone what you truly are.  I doubt theft in general would be as bad if said person knew for a fact if caught they would lose one or both of their hands. Why should tax payers foot the bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars to house and "treat" a criminal, when you could punish them in this manner and let the punishment take care of itself for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-07-20 09:20:58 AM

RayD8: What a dumbass.
Consider though that at some point, this guy was considered smart enough to be a cop in the first place.


Actually there was at least one department that was barring potential officers from being hired for having too high IQs, not that that makes you feel any better.
 
2013-07-20 09:22:46 AM

RayD8: What a dumbass.
Consider though that at some point, this guy was considered smart enough to be a cop in the first place.


LOL smart enough to be a cop.
You mean not TOO smart to be a cop
 
2013-07-20 09:26:35 AM
Welcome to New Jersey.

This kind of thing is systematic around here. We hear about similar cases all the time with all levels and types of public employees and officials.
 
2013-07-20 09:27:18 AM
This is very common in Jersey.  I know a retired cop who lives a few blocks up the street, he went out on full disability when he was 36 years old.  He also works full time at a non-LEO job, and it's all perfectly legal.   There are probably thousands of first responders in Jersey working the disability game.  They get 2/3 final year pay, plus full medical/dental/vision for themselves and their dependents, plus survivor benefits....all of it tax free and judgement proof.

As for the bozo ex-cop in question, he got pensioned-out when he got caught stealing.  He may have lost his disability pension, but now he's entitled to put in for regular pension since he has 20 years in the system.  His regular pension will be 50% pay, no medical and will be taxable.  It's not like he's going to end up homeless and eating at soup kitchens.   No, he can't be prosecuted for the thefts now, because it's been 5 years, the statute of limitations has run out.

Oh, and NJ cops never get prosecuted for crimes like theft or fraud.  No one wants them up on the stand running their mouths.....if you know what I mean.

This kind of bullshiat is one of the main reasons why NJ property taxes are the highest in the country, averaging $10K per year on a single family detached house.

/Dirty Jersey
 
2013-07-20 09:38:55 AM
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2013-07-20 09:54:35 AM

big pig peaches: Welcome to New Jersey.

This kind of thing is systematic around here. We hear about similar cases all the time with all levels and types of public employees and officials.


And then the assholes move to Florida.
 
2013-07-20 10:01:40 AM
what u gotta do is get on disability for anxiety.
 
2013-07-20 10:05:30 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: what u gotta do is get on disability for anxiety.


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See dead people.  Then you can get full disability.....and open a private business picking up dead bodies.

http://watchdog.org/67844/disabled-partners-in-crime-scenes-will-mop -u p-for-life/
 
2013-07-20 10:06:03 AM

FrancoFile: Nice.  Prosecutors and Internal Affairs use the disability system as an incentive to get guys to quit.

Even the union rep who applauded the decision says "These guys are playing by the rules of the game.  They need to change the rules."

It's not a farking GAME, you piece of shiat.


Sure it is, and unfortunately everyone's playing it.
 
2013-07-20 10:10:20 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I know of a retired Air Force officer who gets 40 percent disability who just finished his second thru hike of the Appalachian Trail. How does that work?
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=12810


Could it be that people with disabilities are able to do some things despite having a disability?

http://www.paralympic.org/
 
2013-07-20 10:16:27 AM

patentguy: HotIgneous Intruder: I know of a retired Air Force officer who gets 40 percent disability who just finished his second thru hike of the Appalachian Trail. How does that work?
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=12810

Could it be that people with disabilities are able to do some things despite having a disability?

http://www.paralympic.org/


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Right.  I have no problem with people who are partially disabled from getting jobs, or engaging in activities, that they can still perform.  In Jersey a cop can get a 100% disability pension and still legally work.  Gee, and all this time I thought that 100% disabled meant you couldn't work at all.
 
2013-07-20 10:38:33 AM
So it's OK for some people, but not for others.
Gotcha.
 
2013-07-20 10:46:24 AM
My dad makes a really good amount in disability each month, and he's pretty mobile.

But then he was in Vietnam, had agent orange exposure, his legs are pockmarked from the landmine he stepped on, and he no longer has a prostate.

I'd say he deserves it.
 
2013-07-20 10:48:37 AM

Fissile: patentguy: HotIgneous Intruder: I know of a retired Air Force officer who gets 40 percent disability who just finished his second thru hike of the Appalachian Trail. How does that work?
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=12810

Could it be that people with disabilities are able to do some things despite having a disability?

http://www.paralympic.org/

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Right.  I have no problem with people who are partially disabled from getting jobs, or engaging in activities, that they can still perform.  In Jersey a cop can get a 100% disability pension and still legally work.  Gee, and all this time I thought that 100% disabled meant you couldn't work at all.


Yes - 100% should be 100%.  The post I responded to was about someone on 40% disability who went on a hike.
 
2013-07-20 11:31:23 AM

Catlenfell: I have known people collecting on the basis of being obese, alcoholic or mentally ill.


Mental illness is still an illness. You could argue that the first two categories were the result of voluntary decisions, but being on disability because your brain chemistry went out of whack is as legitimate as being on there because you tore a ligament.
 
2013-07-20 11:39:03 AM
Dad worked all his life and paid into the system like a good little citizen until an accident broke his back in 5 places. (and they were burst fractures... not good.)  Though he was only capable of taking a few steps at a time (which was a miracle) and suffered from constant severe pain and frequent tremors caused by nerve damage, it took him 8 years to get approved for disability. Eight... years. During one hearing, the judge hearing his case openly mocked him and ruled that he wasn't disabled, because "maybe he could put eyeglasses together or something".  Eventually, it went up and up through the courts until the final stage when the judge ruled that he should have been getting it all along. He got his disability payment for about 5 years, spending his life in a plastic shell brace until he finally died of a heart attack, most likely caused by the many medications he took on a daily basis.

I also know another guy who has nothing wrong with him that would prevent him from working.  He is only slightly slow, no more than countless others who hold down jobs, but he's been getting the same type of disability check for the last 20 years that my dad was denied for 8. His live-in GF is on the dole because she supposedly suffers from depression. Between the two of them, they pull in somewhere in the vicinity of $1500 a month and free medical care, and they stillmanage to routinely beg money from others. The only taxes they pay is when they blow their money on beer and cigarettes.

I work 6 to 7 days a week, my wife works, and we have insurance. And we still can't really afford proper medical & dental care. But hey - if you're a goldbrick piece of shiat who's only disease is a terminal case of lead in your ass, here's your tax-free gravy-train!

Truly, it is a kickass system we have in this country.
 
2013-07-20 11:41:48 AM
$5,808.61  tax free?  Wow, I'm on the wrong kind of disability!
 
2013-07-20 12:02:52 PM
regular citizens should pool their money and hire private investigators to bust the 5000 people scamming disability they mentioned... it'd be worth it in the long run tax wise.
 
2013-07-20 02:20:58 PM
I met a woman who was on disability for depression.  She didn't seem depressed at all and didn't take any medications.  She seemed very well adjusted, even happy.    I mentioned that, and she replied, "Oh, no, the idea of getting a job makes me depressed" without a hint of sarcasm, irony, or shame.
 
2013-07-20 02:26:02 PM
When people receive welfare, they are lazy pieces of shiat.

When corporations receive welfare, they are wonderful job creators.

Not that this guy isn't a piece of shiat, it's just the amount of jealousy and hatred that people have for people who receive money from social programs seems to be quite high.  Since social welfare is still quite a bit less than corporate welfare, I'm really not even mad that some people get money from the state for things like schizophrenia, PTSD,  or other things that aren't visible to the eye. This obviously isn't the case here, I'm just speaking in general terms.  The cases of fraud are a small percentage.  We all know an alcoholic who trades their food stamps, but that's not the majority.
 
2013-07-20 03:37:17 PM

accelerus: Fark_Guy_Rob: Disability and other types of fraud are serious and should be investigated and all that jazz....

But that's crime on a different level than stealing.  I mean, really stealing things from individuals.  Not large corporations or governments.  Both are wrong, but the amount of damage an individual can cause YOU is many times more than what they can cause 'All customers of Allstate' or 'All citizens of Iowa'.

So, he's a d-bag for the disability thing and should be in jail - but he's 10x the d-bag for stealing.  Not just stealing, but stealing when he was being paid to uphold the law?  Stealing valuable items from individuals.  And when he resigned, everyone just dropped the charges?  Oh - well, he's a dirty criminal - but we're not paying him anymore - so we can just let it slide?

Fraud is one thing - the guy lied on some paperwork and got approved.  Big deal.

But the stealing - as a cop - *getting caught* and then everyone knowing he's guilty, guilty enough to resign his position - and everyone involved in the case just dropping it because he's an ex-cop?  That's a real crime, perpetrated not by 'one guy who wants to cheat the system' but an entire department of honorable law enforcers.

What.  The.  Hell.

Oh wow so he was stealing on the job? Old school:  chop his hand off. Whichever one he writes with (dominant hand) is probably the one he steals with.

No disability at that point either -- you can push a broom with one hand.

I'm a huge proponent of social shaming and punishments that show everyone what you truly are.  I doubt theft in general would be as bad if said person knew for a fact if caught they would lose one or both of their hands. Why should tax payers foot the bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars to house and "treat" a criminal, when you could punish them in this manner and let the punishment take care of itself for the rest of their lives.


You sound like a Muslim :)

The main thing to keep in mind is, do this once publicly, and you WILL NOT have to do it for the thousands who suddenly figure it isn't worth it.


That's the benefit of having a system that actually discourages crime, not encourage it.
 
2013-07-20 03:57:31 PM

Catlenfell: I have known people collecting on the basis of being obese, alcoholic or mentally ill. I have also seen people ecstatic at getting approved, seeing this as a preferable alternative to to welfare since no politician ever talks about cutting this program.


The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/


As someone seriously considering going on disability, that was a fascinating, yet heartbreaking article.
 
2013-07-20 04:04:22 PM

accelerus: This makes me just as mad as the people who are just fat and getting disability.


I keep hearing about these fat people getting disability. How do I get in on that? What a chump I am, dragging my fat ass to work every day.....
 
2013-07-20 04:37:44 PM

bonefish: I feel like I walk with pebbles in my shoes with socks stuck between my toes, tingles in my lower legs and sometimes in my forarms. Left side of my face is a bit asleep to. MS is such fun, but I still work and keep trying to do better for my family. Must be great to be human pieces of shiat like these assholes.


There was a woman at my college that had MS and refused to take disability even though it was offered to her. I can't imagine that would be easy to work with, she fell a few times at work.
 
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2013-07-20 06:51:56 PM
I'm a quadriplegic, paralyzed from the shoulders down. My hands do not work, and I can't do things like dressing or getting out of bed on my own. I received disability for 8 years, but haven't the last 4 years. I've worked full time and earned my PhD this year. I make too much for disability, which I'm OK with. I earn my way. The only benefit I get from being a quadriplegic is good parking.
 
2013-07-21 08:45:54 AM

WorldCitizen: Wow. It must be nice to be able to just sit on your ass for a tax free $70,000 a year when you are not in reality at all disabled. And the bonus is that was the prize for being corrupt and getting busted for it. Hell, no wonder there are so many corrupt cops if that is the "punishment" for getting caught.


You just described 90% of people on welfare.
 
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