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2013-07-20 05:04:47 AM

Confabulat: and i'm really shocked that 16 year old minimum wage workers might not be the best people to trust with my life?


This.

I've never seen a ride attendant at an amusement park that had either the look of a person over the age of 23 or a semblance of consciousness in their eyes as they droned through their duties half-assedly.

/But I like roller-coasters, so I take my chances
 
2013-07-20 05:05:44 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: 3. Our Team Leader had once spotted a 'scared' guest who had come alone, undone his belt and used his knee to prop the bar up when it locked. TL caught this from the guy's facial expression alone, refused the 'clear' and signed to the team from Control to third-check him. The extra "you okay there, buddy?" caused the guest to first panic, then burst into sobs. Turned out the poor guest was suicidal, deep in debt, and his plan had been to kill himself on a coaster so his family would get a settlement from the park.


your Team Leader ruined peoples' lives.  By allowing him to live, he:

A. Prolonged this guy's suffering
B. Prolonged his family's suffering as they have to deal with him
C. Deprived the other guests of an awesome front row view
 
2013-07-20 05:30:47 AM

Confabulat: gingerjet: Confabulat: and i'm really shocked that 16 year old minimum wage workers might not be the best people to trust with my life?

And I'm not shocked you have no clue how these things work.  That 16 year old is just another part of the operational aspect of the ride.  And they are interchangeable.  If something fails its not their fault - its the fault of the people who designed the operations around that ride.  If you ever noticed at Disney or Universal parks there is never one single person who gives the go ahead - there are multiple.

Yeah, multiple 16 year olds working for minimum wage bored and half-assed. I've spent a little time in theme parks.


Bet you're a blast at parties.
 
2013-07-20 05:45:17 AM

Todd300: Confabulat: gingerjet: Confabulat: and i'm really shocked that 16 year old minimum wage workers might not be the best people to trust with my life?

And I'm not shocked you have no clue how these things work.  That 16 year old is just another part of the operational aspect of the ride.  And they are interchangeable.  If something fails its not their fault - its the fault of the people who designed the operations around that ride.  If you ever noticed at Disney or Universal parks there is never one single person who gives the go ahead - there are multiple.

Yeah, multiple 16 year olds working for minimum wage bored and half-assed. I've spent a little time in theme parks.

Bet you're a blast at parties.


I am. But then I never strap people haphazardly into a death-defying vehicle either. Though some of my ex-girlfriends may disagree.
 
2013-07-20 06:24:06 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: your Team Leader ruined peoples' lives. By allowing him to live, he:

A. Prolonged this guy's suffering
B. Prolonged his family's suffering as they have to deal with him
C. Deprived the other guests of an awesome front row view


We actually discussed that one night after shift. Thing is, the way our coaster was laid out, he'd probably have been thrown from the crest of the second hill, which is just above where the track crosses back in a few seconds. So the train would not only have killed him, but struck his body and potentially injured the other guests. If he hit enough supports on the way down, he could've even landed in the front row's laps. So we had to stop him to protect others.

Now, the steel coaster at the other end of the park? That would've been no big deal. He'd land harmlessly in a water feature, maybe inconvenience the filters a bit. Worst-case scenario, he'd scar some kid guest for life with the memory, though knowing the park's PR team, it would've been okay.

There was significant gallows humor in that workplace. Lady tried to sneak her late husband's ashes on to scatter on the coaster, we just got her a hard hat and took her down to a safe place by the base of the lift hill, said a little prayer, poured out a Gatorade for the fallen, then brought her up to the platform and gave her a front-row seat. We weren't monsters, and it was better to give her the same special VIP tour the American Coaster Enthusiast people got and let her sprinkle the ashes safely than risk some other guest getting wicked corpse-ity pinkeye.

And what Corporate didn't know, never hurt them. There are very few amusement parks that don't have cremated people's remains scattered about them or Suicidal Guest Protocols in place. I myself have the coaster I'd like to be sprinkled beneath picked out already.
 
2013-07-20 06:33:58 AM
I've been injured twice at that park, once as a guest and once as an employee, and it's not the safest place. But they try. It's just a little worrying that they have a 12 bed infirmary in the park.
 
2013-07-20 06:44:47 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: Bathysphere: What's a chessmen?

In ride-op slang, Chessmen are guests with something weird that you need to check, because Chess and Checkers. (I know. It's weird.)

And we used chess-piece names to identify which was which, so guests wouldn't overhear and freak. Pawns were kids who were too short or too terrified and whose parents still wanted to try and yank them on. Bishops were people who got on a coaster all serious and then had effing hysterics, calling on Jesus to save them and generally freaking out. Knights were line-jumpers, Rooks were people who'd try to buddy up to us and get us to let them go twice in a row, and so forth. You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.


Also, the thumbs-up sign you see for Clear (Clear meaning 'train can go,') is just the tip of the coaster-sign iceberg. There are ride-ops who can have whole conversations in coaster-sign, depending on how good one's TL and ATL were, the nature of the ride and whether or not it was the sort of ride you might need a lot of signs for. Every roller coaster uses High Clear (thumbs up and hand higher than one's head; Low Clear is the same sign at shoulder height or lower, used for 'yes' or 'okay' other than sending trains,) Hold (one hand in fist, other hand gripping own wrist, means 'stop NOW!') and Cross (wrists crossed above head, means 'I wish to cross from one side of the platform to the other,' you give the sign, Control makes eye contact and gives Low Clear, you cross and then return Low Clear once you're literally clear of the gap, like a salute,) but if you have a loud wooden coaster with multiple Safeties and a 48" or 54" height limit, you can have as many as twenty-one unique signs.


It was possible, on our team, to warn Control that 'The guest in Row 2-2 is trying to drag a clearly incapable kid on the ride,' with one hand. You just signed 'Chessman, Pawn, Two, Two.' and Control understood and could direct the closest person accordingly or even get Security if there was a need for it. We had a guy try to sneak a camcorder on the ride and the whole team knew about it before he set foot on the platform, just from the kids at Entrance and Height Check passing the word in coaster-sign.

There was a whole unique culture in the park that I'd be shocked if Corporate was aware of.


What I assumed chessmen meant:

http://xkcd.com/chesscoaster/
 
2013-07-20 06:52:21 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.


Now I do.
 
2013-07-20 07:05:14 AM

wildcardjack: 12 bed infirmary in the park.


That's for heat stroke and the like.
 
2013-07-20 07:18:40 AM

gpuica: A lot of wood coasters don't have a second restraint. Those that do usually just have a lap belt that won't do much if you've managed to break or slip out of the locking restraint.

That said, I don't remember Nitro (steel coaster) at Great Adventure having anything more than a primary restraint, but it comes in from the front rather than from the top (hip and thigh rather than just hip/belly), and they make sure it's VERY tight. The purpose is to hold your legs clamped down and let the rest of your body feel "free."

On this wooden coaster, I'm pretty sure the restraint is sandwiching your hips, and a very overweight person may easily slip out if their hips are actually a hanging belly, or if the belly is blocking the restraint from coming all the way down.


Shiat, that's nothing. The Whizzer at Six Flags in Gurnee, IL had a bar YOU held down. No lock.

Wasn't like it did rolls or anything.
 
2013-07-20 07:42:07 AM
That sucks for sure.  Last person (that I recall) killed at Kennywood (our local park) was when a pavilion over a ride collapsed.  The ride's still there, just no longer under roof.
 
2013-07-20 07:51:39 AM

derpy: wildcardjack: 12 bed infirmary in the park.

That's for heat stroke and the like.


Yeah, be more worried when they put in an operating room with a trauma team.

Or let funeral parlors advertise.
 
2013-07-20 08:17:19 AM

mrswood: The comments in the actual article are terrible. You can't blame the stupid kid for this, he didn't design the coaster and is not responsible for maintenance.


Which is always the first to go when the bottom line is not met.  They will be the first to get blamed I would imagine.
 
2013-07-20 08:18:43 AM
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2013-07-20 08:38:12 AM
Just a couple posts before the victim was blamed.  Awesome work as always, Fark.
 
2013-07-20 08:41:57 AM
It's a wooden (hybrid) roller coaster, which means that there are no inversions or outside loops. How did a woman fall out of a high-speed roller coaster that pushes you into your seat in every turn? I could see it happening while going over the top of a hill, but even then there's ample time to grab hold of the lap bar, broken or not. The forces are not so strong that you cannot hold yourself in, they just aren't.

My guess is she wasn't a roller coaster person, panicked, tried to stand up thinking they would see it and stop the ride, and WHOOSH!, gone. Or maybe the obesity theory, which is just as valid as any other right now.
 
2013-07-20 08:42:10 AM
People that spend money and time at amusement parks are dumb.
 
2013-07-20 08:45:25 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: I was once a ride-op on a wooden coaster at one point in my misspent youth. This was at a much nicer park than any of the Six Flags, if I do say so myself. Our Standard Operating Procedure was to check belts and bars TWICE, once down the train for belts and once up the train for bars, and we'd go back and triple-check the restraint if a guest seemed scared.

This was for three reasons:
1. Even if it was nothing, taking the time to check it, give them a smile and reassure them made our team, and by extension the coaster, the park, young college kids in general, look awesome, and it helped our survey numbers.

2. A scared guest could be scared for several reasons, up to and including 'foreign person who was completely unfamiliar with seatbelts' or 'little kid who should be given a line pass so he can go and pee BEFORE riding.'

3. Our Team Leader had once spotted a 'scared' guest who had come alone, undone his belt and used his knee to prop the bar up when it locked. TL caught this from the guy's facial expression alone, refused the 'clear' and signed to the team from Control to third-check him. The extra "you okay there, buddy?" caused the guest to first panic, then burst into sobs. Turned out the poor guest was suicidal, deep in debt, and his plan had been to kill himself on a coaster so his family would get a settlement from the park.

This happened on a surprisingly regular basis. We got about three Suicidals a season on our ride alone and there was coaster-sign for it.

There was a reason why we called our TL 'Fearless Leader.' He had this remarkable gut ability to sense a problem before it happened, bring it to our attention with coaster-sign and head it off before something quirky became a whole can of worms. I saw him catch a kid guest who was about to puke, two different suicidals, an epileptic in moments-to-seizure mode and like five Chessmen a week. Great guy, looked after every member of his team like we were his own siblings. We would've done anything he ...

So, how good was he in bed?

 
2013-07-20 08:46:03 AM
My money is on operator error. Whitnesses apparently said the woman was concerned about her restraints but was assured everything was okay. These ride operators under a lot of pressure to keep the line moving...6 flags should just admit that safety is the second priority to keeping people from complaining. Too bad
 
2013-07-20 09:05:37 AM
I wonder if the mishap happened before or after the souvenir photo was taken.
 
2013-07-20 09:14:48 AM

arbitterm: My money is on operator error. Whitnesses apparently said the woman was concerned about her restraints but was assured everything was okay. These ride operators under a lot of pressure to keep the line moving...6 flags should just admit that safety is the second priority to keeping people from complaining. Too bad


That would be my guess too.  But me, personally, and I am in NO WAY blaming the victim here, but if I were on that and the harness came loose, my ass would be clinging to it no matter what.  I would want to live to enjoy the proceeds of the coming lawsuit.
 
2013-07-20 09:17:13 AM
Well, SpiderQueenDemon has become the most interesting poster in this thread. :)

GreatGlavinsGhost: SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.

Now I do.


And what he said.
 
2013-07-20 09:17:59 AM

KellyKellyKelly: Just a couple posts before the victim was blamed.  Awesome work as always, Fark.


A "victim" would be someone who was attacked by a roller coaster. She bought a ticket.
 
2013-07-20 09:24:06 AM
I worked at this park back when the lady drowned on the roaring rapids ride in 99.  I was working as ride photo for the Texas Giant.

I have not ridden the Giant since the redesign, but I know that before the redesign all you needed was a ratcheting lap-bar.  Even some hydraulic restraints have a fake ratchet for the sound, so the guests can be 'reassured' that the restraint is secure.

It did not take long to secure the bars, two team members could roll down the line, shove the bars down, yank them back to make sure they're locked, and even with a few abnormal guests that need a second look they could have the train ready to roll in 30 seconds to a minute.

I highly doubt the redesign made the restraints too much different or harder to work.  I think this was a moment of carelessness by the employee.
 
2013-07-20 09:25:47 AM
People say i'm crazy. But i lived here all my life. I ain't scared a no rolly coaster.
 
2013-07-20 09:27:02 AM

jtown: Oldiron_79: Only clicked once? I'm gonna guess obese passenger.

My thought as well.  I'm a one-clicker on some rides, myself.  But one click should be fine.  Locked is locked.  Even if you're five clicks deep, if the mechanism breaks, it's broke.  It's not like there are 5 independent locking mechanisms, each stronger than the one before.


I'm one of those skinny, maximal click people.  Though I love roller coasters, I hate when I'm seated to a much bigger person, and there's only that one bar thing that goes down onto our laps, but it never reaches my lap because I'm 100 pounds lighter than the person next to me.  So, they're secured, but I'm sliding around and flopping right next to them.
 
2013-07-20 09:37:32 AM

EmmaLou: I am deathly afraid of rollercoasters (well, any rides really) and this is one if the reasons why. I'll happily hold the coats and bags while everyone gets a go on the death traps though.


On average, 1,200,000 people die in car accidents every year, compared to two in roller coaster accidents. If you're deathly afraid of roller coasters, I can't even begin to imagine your fear of cars.
 
2013-07-20 09:45:46 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: and like five Chessmen a week.


What's a Chessman?
 
2013-07-20 09:48:15 AM

FizixJunkee: SpiderQueenDemon: and like five Chessmen a week.

What's a Chessman?


Look further up in the comments, Pawns, Bishops, Knights, and Rooks are discussed, Kings and Queens are left ambiguous.

Tell us what the Kings and Queens are, pretty please?  We're grown Farkers, we can take it.
 
2013-07-20 09:51:15 AM

GreatGlavinsGhost: SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.

Now I do.


Seconded.
 
2013-07-20 09:51:34 AM

fusillade762: Oldiron_79: Only clicked once? I'm gonna guess obese passenger.

Yeah, I was gonna guess "fat", too. But either way, they let her ride anyway. You can bet that's going to be a lawsuit.


============

Not in Texas, the land of no safety regs, worker protections, or any of that commie blue state shiat.
 
2013-07-20 09:52:20 AM
Ugh. Two of my friends had just finished riding when she fell. One of my friends heard a man in line say that he saw "something" fall. In retrospect, he might have said "someone."

I feel sorry for her son.
 
2013-07-20 09:59:38 AM

fusillade762: Oldiron_79: Only clicked once? I'm gonna guess obese passenger.

Yeah, I was gonna guess "fat", too. But either way, they let her ride anyway. You can bet that's going to be a lawsuit.


And it should be...  It sounds like the attendant completely ignored her concern for her safety, resulting in her death.
 
2013-07-20 10:05:54 AM

Saberus Terras: FizixJunkee: SpiderQueenDemon: and like five Chessmen a week.

What's a Chessman?

Look further up in the comments, Pawns, Bishops, Knights, and Rooks are discussed, Kings and Queens are left ambiguous.

Tell us what the Kings and Queens are, pretty please?  We're grown Farkers, we can take it.



Gooble gobble one of us one of us.
 
2013-07-20 10:25:44 AM
On the plus side, if you were planning on visiting a roller coaster park this week I'm willing to bet that attendance will be a little less than normal.
 
2013-07-20 10:26:56 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: mjones73: skinink: Heard one "Squaaaaack!". Wasn't okay.
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Fun coaster, never had a bird hit me in the face on it.. :D

you're not attractive enough.


Hey if it keeps me from getting my nose broken on Apollo's Chariot, I'm ok with that..
 
2013-07-20 10:31:41 AM
Did she stop to have conversations while standing in a doorway?

Just trying to ascertain what kind of person we lost here.
 
2013-07-20 10:40:40 AM

mrswood: buserror: mrswood: The comments in the actual article are terrible. You can't blame the stupid kid for this, he didn't design the coaster and is not responsible for maintenance.

The "stupid kid" was an employee responsible for ensuring people are properly secured, and when a problem was brought to his attention, he blew it off without checking.  Sure, there's plenty of blame for Six Flags for not properly training their employees and/or hiring untrustworthy (a.k.a. cheap) employees, and for having equipment that failed in the first place, but that doesn't excuse the employee's (lack of) action when attention was called to the problem.

If it fits/clicks it ships?

It sounds to me she was secure. If she didn't feel safe then she should've gtfo. Either way the guy just pushes a button when the ride says everyone's in. If it breaks it's not his bad.


You cant get the fark off without them letting you out...  You would have to cause a scene and demand that they hold up the ride to let you off...  She probably didn't want to cause a scene and took the attendants word for it...
 
2013-07-20 10:57:13 AM

FizixJunkee: GreatGlavinsGhost: SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.

Now I do.


Seconded.


Me three
 
2013-07-20 11:54:49 AM

MurphyMurphy: Confabulat: and i'm really shocked that 16 year old minimum wage workers might not be the best people to trust with my life?

This.

I've never seen a ride attendant at an amusement park that had either the look of a person over the age of 23 or a semblance of consciousness in their eyes as they droned through their duties half-assedly.

/But I like roller-coasters, so I take my chances


Except at SFOT, Ride ops have to be 18 and go through training courses to be successful and safe in their jobs to themselves, fellow employees and guests.
 
2013-07-20 01:00:53 PM
Comin' over the first hill
I felt my body jerk
The attendant did not strap me in
I'm sure that I am gonna die
This is my last roller coaster ride
This is my last roller coaster ride
This is my last ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eWQ9_8k74  (NSFW lyrics)
 
2013-07-20 01:03:05 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.

Now I do.


Queen was about-to-puke and King was about-to-pee-or-crap.

On days when the line got long, the latter was a legitimate concern. So we got a take-a-number like the deli has and if someone had gotten all the way to the train and had to pee, we'd give them and their buddy a number, send them to use the facilities and then let them back on through the exit, skipping the line.

Coaster-sign for 'Queen' was a finger drawn alongside the forehead to the ear, kind of miming a tiara, and 'King' was the same gesture with three fingers. Could easily be mistaken for wiping one's brow. It's a subtle language. We even had a special sign for 'complete asshole' which Control could respond to with the sign for 'Staple.'

To 'staple' a guest is to latch their lap bar down very suddenly and with some force. When done with a chipper smile and a high-five, the effect could be almost BDSM-tastic. And yes, we had guests who requested that we latch them in with great force and inform them of how very cowardly they were and how much they would scream. We also had a collection jar for Make-A-Wish and my one really fun coworker, Mistress Katie, personally accounted for $375 toward some cancer-kid's amusement-park outing in a single day.

Corporate would have murdered us if they knew half the cool shiat we did. Fearless Leader loved to ask groups of kids in matching high-school chorus t-shirts to sing on the platform and we once got a drama club to perform 'La Vie Boheme' from RENT with us while in line and we literally sent trains without missing a lyric. It was the best of jobs, it was the worst of jobs, and if Corporate found out, I'm sure that even a decade or so later, we would be SO dead.
 
2013-07-20 01:06:48 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: GreatGlavinsGhost: SpiderQueenDemon: ... You don't want to know what Queen and King were. Really.

Now I do.

Queen was about-to-puke and King was about-to-pee-or-crap.

On days when the line got long, the latter was a legitimate concern. So we got a take-a-number like the deli has and if someone had gotten all the way to the train and had to pee, we'd give them and their buddy a number, send them to use the facilities and then let them back on through the exit, skipping the line.

Coaster-sign for 'Queen' was a finger drawn alongside the forehead to the ear, kind of miming a tiara, and 'King' was the same gesture with three fingers. Could easily be mistaken for wiping one's brow. It's a subtle language. We even had a special sign for 'complete asshole' which Control could respond to with the sign for 'Staple.'

To 'staple' a guest is to latch their lap bar down very suddenly and with some force. When done with a chipper smile and a high-five, the effect could be almost BDSM-tastic. And yes, we had guests who requested that we latch them in with great force and inform them of how very cowardly they were and how much they would scream. We also had a collection jar for Make-A-Wish and my one really fun coworker, Mistress Katie, personally accounted for $375 toward some cancer-kid's amusement-park outing in a single day.

Corporate would have murdered us if they knew half the cool shiat we did. Fearless Leader loved to ask groups of kids in matching high-school chorus t-shirts to sing on the platform and we once got a drama club to perform 'La Vie Boheme' from RENT with us while in line and we literally sent trains without missing a lyric. It was the best of jobs, it was the worst of jobs, and if Corporate found out, I'm sure that even a decade or so later, we would be SO dead.


Thank you!
 
2013-07-20 01:08:22 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: Also, the thumbs-up sign you see for Clear (Clear meaning 'train can go,')


I've seen them do this at Cedar Point. They have a ride op on either side of the platform and they both have to give the all-clear signal before the train is allowed to go.

SithLord: Except at SFOT, Ride ops have to be 18 and go through training courses to be successful and safe in their jobs to themselves, fellow employees and guests.


^That. At Six Flags and Cedar Fair parks, all of the ride ops are college students working over the summer. It's not some 16 yr old kid making minimum wage.
 
2013-07-20 01:09:30 PM
At least she died doing what she loved.
 
2013-07-20 01:16:18 PM
Also, if you're ever on a roller-coaster and feel like your belt-and-bar or whatever restraints are in use aren't right, raise a fist high above your head and grip the wrist below it tightly with your other hand. That's universal coaster-sign for 'Hold!' and it means 'Stop NOW.' Even if a guest does it, if the park is worth its' salt, that will stop the train. It is not to be used lightly.

Once stopped, keep the fist up and point to your restraint with your gripping hand. It will be checked for you.

If you are questioned, just say the name of a different park and a year that corresponds with when you were approximately 20. You will be mistaken for a brother ride-op and some teams will grant you privileges, such as staying on for an extra ride if the line will allow or Corporate isn't sniffing around. Note: do not mention a park that is owned by the same parent company, or you may be required to perform the handshake (there's a handshake,) and don't mention a nearby, rival park or act like a dick, otherwise you are just asking to be stapled like laser-printer puke.

Unless, you know, you like that sort of thing. And some people do.
 
2013-07-20 01:20:24 PM
SpiderQueenDemon:

On days when the line got long, the latter was a legitimate concern. So we got a take-a-number like the deli has and if someone had gotten all the way to the train and had to pee, we'd give them and their buddy a number, send them to use the facilities and then let them back on through the exit, skipping the line.


I wish they would do something like this(give me a skip line ticket for another ride) when I wait through like an hour long ride only to find out my shoulders are like 8" too high for the shoulder bar to go over. Its nice when they have a sample seat out around where the line starts where I can test before I wait in line.
 
2013-07-20 01:23:49 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: At least she died doing what she loved.


Screaming?
 
2013-07-20 01:33:04 PM
Say what?

wfnk.com
 
2013-07-20 01:34:38 PM
SpiderQueenDemon, as a former FreezeFrame (Ride photo) mook, I envy you now.  You had a job that was rather cool.

I was stuck trying to sell parents slightly blurry photos of their kids screaming in terror from the ride, dealing with jerks who pissed that they couldn't get a print of themselves flipping off the camera, and old folks who couldn't accept that a picture was so damn expensive at $6.99, but would blindly shell out 6 bucks for a plain cheeseburger in the park.

About the only thing that made my last season cool was the foreign exchange girls flirting innocently with me in those beautiful Eastern European accents, and the look of their enchanting almond-shaped eyes.  If only I had the ability to properly flirt back instead of being the awkward nerd I was....
 
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