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2013-07-19 03:45:44 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.

Begoggle: Under almost any company health plan, there is a chance you can't keep your own doctor.
So?
It's not like "your doctor" does a damn thing anyhow.  If you have a problem, you see a specialist.


Even better!  Your argument really is "Your doctor is worthless anyhow.  Why even bother going to one?"?

My brief scan didn't see anyone blaming businesses.  But i am sure they are there.  Blaming businesses for changing plans and making you switch your doctor due to health plan changes due to Obamacare is a ridiculous argument too.
 
2013-07-19 03:47:47 PM

robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.


My husband is a Primary Care Physician who owns his own practice, and yes, going the no insurance route is tempting. We currently pay more for a vet visit than what he's able to clear for patient visit. This coupled with the extra hours of paperwork every day can definitely lead to insurance frustration. Not to mention, he moved offices last Spring, and a simple change of address caused a 3 month delay of payments from the insurance companies. THREE MONTHS. NO PAYMENT. For moving into a new office a mile down the road. And people wonder why there's a primary care shortage.
 
2013-07-19 03:50:16 PM

that bosnian sniper: SecretAgentWoman: and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation.

Where the hell were you that you missed the last four years of constant, deliberate misinformation?


Wrong damn country, I know.  But it's the closest one I could find.

i1197.photobucket.com
/threadjack over.
 
2013-07-19 03:52:30 PM

MyRandomName: Rhino_man: First the IBD article in the Politics tab, now this one on the main page.  Mods, stop the anti-healthcare wharrgarbl.  It's too much.

ACA has nothing to do with healthcare.  It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.


But I bet the constant barrage of misleading information and outright lying by the right about ACA is okay
 
2013-07-19 03:56:10 PM

robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.


Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.
 
2013-07-19 03:57:31 PM

teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.


Speaking of medication, have you taken yours today? Christ on a cracker.
 
2013-07-19 04:00:15 PM

alaric3: My doctor died.



Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 04:00:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.


*applause*

yep, that about sums it up.  Can't make money off our sick asses, they don't want anything to do with us.  Ship em in, ship em out, but don't take too long.  Give em a pill, send em up the street, anything but take actual care of someone who came to see you. You can fit 35 appointments in a day, DO EEEIT!

Any doctor that thinks and acts like that is an asstard.

My doctor is not.  And accepts Medicare/Medicaid/Private insurance and has a sliding scale for those without insurance.  My doctor is not an asshole.
 
2013-07-19 04:05:05 PM

Peter von Nostrand: My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare


So.... Obama farked your wife?
 
2013-07-19 04:06:49 PM
2015.  You had a doctor? Have you looked in your shoe.
 
2013-07-19 04:07:07 PM

dbrunker: We're going to delay the implementation of the Affordable Care Act until after the 2014 elections because... reasons.


Some parts of the ACA. Because polticians want to keep their job, and SuperPACs are waiting to kill their chances of re-election, because the uninformed populace stupidly believes what they hear from SuperPACs.

Imagine what our government would be like if our politicians were single-term and thus didn't have to worry about re-election.
 
2013-07-19 04:12:13 PM

HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.

You lost, get over it.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-07-19 04:15:10 PM

letrole: letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care

impaler: Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?

no.

this is the reason that the words i used were chosen and arranged in a certain order so as to express something completely different


I didn't get it either
 
2013-07-19 04:17:16 PM
Health care is primarily about money.  Not health.  And as soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it is said to be about is the thing is used to be about.  "The healing arts" have been replaced with "how many sick people to a new Mercedes."
 
2013-07-19 04:21:58 PM

SlothB77: The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.


So much for "tough on crime" huh?

/I'm just kidding, I know it's really "tough on the attractive and successful".
 
2013-07-19 04:23:07 PM

SlothB77: The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.


Or, alternately...hey!  There's that Medicare fraud right-wingers are so up-in-arms about! Glad to see we've cleared that up.
 
2013-07-19 04:26:32 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.


Of course not.  It would have been ridiculous for them to have an 'all you guys cant go to your doctors' clause.  What 98% of people took that statement to mean, was that "If you dont want any of our new plans, you can keep your old one"

Obama never said that what he was going to do was jack up your costs either.  So you can keep your doctor.. but you just have to pay more, especially if your doctor works with medicare and is currently getting boned my Obama.

My doctor has a lot of medicare patients and had to increase our cost by $1000.

So yeah, I can keep him, I just have to pay more.

Ask me if I have seen Joe Biden's "$2500" of savings..  Go ahead.
 
2013-07-19 04:28:44 PM

FTDA: King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA

This is getting out of control.  Last night that damn Obamacare raped my neighbors male cat with a 40 grit condom at 3am.


40 grit condom would be a great name for a band.
 
2013-07-19 04:35:16 PM

alabasterblack: I am now less intelligent as a direct result of reading that article.  Crappy headline bait journalism for the Honey Boo Boo set.


+1 interwebs to you, sir.  Thanks for a good chuckle, I've needed one all day.
 
2013-07-19 04:36:18 PM

Chewb1zz: fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.

Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?


She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.  And with the increase in what is basically Medicare she cannot pay the bills per-patient on what the government pays.

No doctor can keep the doors open purely on Medicare, and the ACA is essentially Medicare under another name.
 
2013-07-19 04:40:29 PM
It is almost like the people talking about it don't understand and don't want to understand it.  Copy/paste this into every political thread ever.
 
2013-07-19 04:42:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard

Can we find, well, a little less biased source? These people are the ones who were saying "You'll TOTALLY LOSE YOUR DOCTOR" in 2009. Hearing that they're still saying it four years later...doesn't mean much to me.
 
2013-07-19 04:43:57 PM
The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.
 
2013-07-19 04:44:43 PM

fickenchucker: Chewb1zz: fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.

Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?

She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.  And with the increase in what is basically Medicare she cannot pay the bills per-patient on what the government pays.

No doctor can keep the doors open purely on Medicare, and the ACA is essentially Medicare under another name.


That seems like a reasonable response than. However, those employees that lost there coverage are either going to have to get insurance through the exchanges or another method or pay the fine and hope they don't have any medical needs.  Doesn't seem like the pool would shrink that much. They have jobs that offer insurance so probably won't qualify for medicare,
 
2013-07-19 04:48:20 PM
www.plascos.com

"My doctor had to rush because he has to see more patients in the same amount of time to make the same kind of money, so he gave me uneven breast implants. Thanks a lot, Obamacare!"
 
2013-07-19 04:54:27 PM
Would one of you "well duh" defenders explain it to those of us who took Obama at his word?

Did you know at the time we were being lied to, or was Obama that stupid to think he could honor that promise. Pretty much has to be one or the other.

Because now that he can't, it sounds like it was obvious to you from day one.
 
2013-07-19 04:59:56 PM

cchris_39: Would one of you "well duh" defenders explain it to those of us who took Obama at his word?

Did you know at the time we were being lied to, or was Obama that stupid to think he could honor that promise. Pretty much has to be one or the other.

Because now that he can't, it sounds like it was obvious to you from day one.


Neither of these things. It's up to your doctor if they will keep you, so you should really take it up with them.
 
2013-07-19 05:07:31 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Um, if you change insurance, since the beginning of time, for any reason, you run the risk that your doctor is not in the new plan. Obamacare has nothing to do with that.

If you keep your insurance, your odds are better, but they could most certainly change their contracts with the doctors and you might be faced with having to find another doctor. Or, they retire, die, move, or get arrested. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, either.

Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.

/this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation


And you're already good at it.
 
2013-07-19 05:20:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: bluefox3681: Well Obamacare is awesome, right?  That's why many provisions are being pushed off for another year pass mid-term elections.

Yes, it's definitely better than what we had in the past. Are you arguing that we should go back to the way it was?


Yes, perhaps.  The CBO's own projection is that 31 million people in this country will not have health insurance in this country and that this number will never be lower.  Plus this is raising rates.  Employers are cutting hours and increasing part time positions rather than full time employees.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/michael-cahill/why-obamacare-will-still -l eave-31-million-uninsured/
 
2013-07-19 05:40:29 PM

fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.


How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.
 
2013-07-19 05:42:29 PM

Thrag: fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.

How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.


If the penalty is less than the cost of providing healthcare, you're getting farked, but not as badly. The gov's gonna get their paper no matter what.
 
2013-07-19 05:42:31 PM

fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.


Now THIS is the stupidest lie that keeps getting repeated.

Right now there are NO - repeat - NO penalties for not offering Healthcare coverage for small businesses. So, are these small businesses gleefully dropping coverage because it's cheaper? No. So, why would they drop it and pay penalties? They won't, because they offered the insurance to stay competitive or because they aren't dicks. Not because they are looking for the cheapest route, otherwise, they wouldn't have offered any coverage in the first place.
 
2013-07-19 05:44:03 PM
Health Insurance companies are just middlemen, and have no place in a centralized healthcare system. Calculate the profits they make every year (total profits, what they claim and what they hide) and that's your Obamacare savings going down the drain in the system as it is now designed.
 
2013-07-19 05:44:07 PM

RobertBruce: The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.


Hey, maybe we should try using that good old private sector competition to drive down costs. Perhaps a program where we can give people private insurance as an alternative to medicare. Then we can compare what regular medicare costs to what the new private insurance program costs!

Would you be all for such a program?
 
2013-07-19 05:48:15 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


They are farming your care out to the insurance companies. You'll still see whoever is in the insurance network and be told what procedure you can have or what drug you need based on what some MBA got a drug company to provide a kickback for. It's all a scam to funnel money to the insurance companies.
 
2013-07-19 05:48:20 PM

robohobo: Thrag: fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.

How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.

If the penalty is less than the cost of providing healthcare, you're getting farked, but not as badly. The gov's gonna get their paper no matter what.


Huh? I don't think you understand the question. Let's try an example. Say a company now spends $10,000 on their health benefits. So their choice currently is to pay $10,000 and provide health benefits or to not provide health benefits which will cost them $0. Under the new plan let's say the penalty for not providing health benefits is $1000. So the choice becomes either pay $10,000 for the benefits or pay a $1000 penalty.

How is having to pay $1000 for dropping benefits a greater incentive to do so than having to pay $0? Why would a company that can drop benefits at zero cost to itself but chooses not to, suddenly decide to drop benefits when it will cost them money to do so?
 
2013-07-19 06:00:00 PM
Because not being able to afford any doctor at all is better, amirite?
 
2013-07-19 06:12:52 PM

RobertBruce: The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.


Health care was already like choosing cable vs dsl, the difference was that the cable company couldn't terminate your contract if you got a computer virus.  The health insurance industry is getting 40 million new subscribers with a big bow on them and all they have to do in exchange is cover pre-existing conditions.
 
2013-07-19 06:13:34 PM
If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.
 
2013-07-19 06:15:43 PM

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Because no employer ever pulled the 'hire temps instead of full time to avoid regulations' scam before this, its just because of the ACA and only because of the ACA.
 
2013-07-19 06:35:16 PM

Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.


Any other lies you'd like to try out?
 
2013-07-19 06:40:24 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


So you'd rather just turn a blind eye to the fact that he's a criminal, and continue seeing him? Good farking job

And secondly, you definitely shouldn't be allowed to keep your current doctor! The whole current medical system is broken and corrupt. The system is setup like a business, the more "patients" you have, the more money you make. That's the bottom line. When you retire, you sell your "practice" for millions of dollars, That. is. wrong. I'm sure many of you selfish capitalist pigs would disagree.
 
2013-07-19 06:44:42 PM

Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.


i.imgur.com

Really?
 
2013-07-19 06:49:05 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.

*applause*

yep, that about sums it up.  Can't make money off our sick asses, they don't want anything to do with us.  Ship em in, ship em out, but don't take too long.  Give em a pill, send em up the street, anything but take actual care of someone who came to see you. You can fit 35 appointments in a day, DO EEEIT!

Any doctor that thinks and acts like that is an asstard.

My doctor is not.  And accepts Medicare/Medicaid/Private insurance and has a sliding scale for those without insurance.



When I make an appointment with my detox doctor I know to schedule an hour around it because I inevitably have to wait a bit to see him.  It's because he takes his time with people, answers questions, lets me bring up things outside of the scope we're currently dealing with, asks me how I'm doing mentally as well as physically and it helps me to trust him with my care more.  I've dealt with doctors in pain management and gynecology who basically have to ask me every time I see them to retell my whole history because they can't be bothered to listen, take in and/or learn a little about their patients.

Should a doctor work for free? Make no profit? Absolutely not.  They deserve a pretty sizable salary if you ask me, but putting "make more money" at the top of your practice's goals is a little backward.
 
2013-07-19 07:23:19 PM
I have a current doctor!?

When did this happen?
 
2013-07-19 08:32:45 PM

robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.


I hope it becomes a nationwide movement...

 ...because that will also drive down the cost of healthcare.

(Mostly because people come in for stuff, but if they can't pay you either find a cheaper way to do it or you start losing patients...)
 
2013-07-19 08:43:07 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.

[i.imgur.com image 269x481]

Really?


And why are Democrats starting to turn against it, and some of the major unions are now asking for it's repeal or dramatic amendment?  Because it's a total disaster, designed only to maximize political corruption.
 
2013-07-19 08:46:47 PM
Well, since I didn't HAVE a doctor in 2009, it's like, whatever.
 
2013-07-19 08:48:13 PM
Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community-extending the statutorily mandated "December 31, 2013" deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won't receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they'll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International PresidentUFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
 
2013-07-19 09:20:23 PM

King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA


Your tithing has been coming up a little short recently. Don't make me send out the Angel Guido to re-baptise you.
 
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