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2013-07-19 02:48:42 PM  
I'll keep seeing the same Doctor regardless of Obamacare.

www.digitaldeliftp.com
 
2013-07-19 02:49:18 PM  

kidgenius: Publikwerks: I've come to realize that it's best to just let them fume and get it out of their system. Then put them down for a nap.

FTFY

Save everyone and yourself the hassle and future expense


Do I look like Zimmerman?

//actually, I do
///portly bastard,
////I used to have all the slashies I wanted. Thanks Obama
 
2013-07-19 02:49:47 PM  

bluefox3681: Well Obamacare is awesome, right?  That's why many provisions are being pushed off for another year pass mid-term elections.


Yes, it's definitely better than what we had in the past. Are you arguing that we should go back to the way it was?
 
2013-07-19 02:50:03 PM  

DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.


That's your fault. Stop watching Fox News.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.
 
2013-07-19 02:50:28 PM  

darth_badger: I'll keep seeing the same Doctor regardless of Obamacare.

[www.digitaldeliftp.com image 350x160]


upload.wikimedia.org

Nuh uhh
 
2013-07-19 02:52:18 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.

So your wife hates money?   Have her call the local hospital on the collection rates of cash only patients.   Hint: It's not good, unless she thinks selling the debt for $.03 on the dollar to a collections agency is a good return rate for services.


You DO understand that comparing payment rates for hospitals and non-emergency medical facilities is like comparing apples and broomhandles, right?  Hospitals (ERs) cannot turn away patients, and must treat them - even if they can't ergo.  Consequently, people who can't pay, in turn, favor hospitals for care.  Non-emergency medical offices can require you to pay at the time of service.  Can't pay?  No service.  It's not an emergency.  If it is, go to the ER...
 
2013-07-19 02:53:06 PM  
I just bought a Home Surgery Kit from EBAY......so I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies
 
2013-07-19 02:53:28 PM  

impaler: DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.

That's your fault. Stop watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and all TelevisionNews.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.


FTFY.
 
2013-07-19 02:53:48 PM  
My original doctor here moved away.  So I didn't get to keep that doctor.  Instead I saw someone else new to the group.  I like her better than the original one.  And if I didn't, I could have found another one.
 
2013-07-19 02:54:38 PM  

OhioUGrad: is upset that he will have to pay a tax on his pacemaker that saved his life.



Why do you think he would be happy about this new tax?  My wife has an implanted morphine pump for chronic back pain, and we're still not sure what the cost repercussions will be next year, let alone when it need to be replaced.  All we know right now is her pain management doctor is retiring early and getting out of the biz.  The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.
 
2013-07-19 02:57:21 PM  

fickenchucker: OhioUGrad: is upset that he will have to pay a tax on his pacemaker that saved his life.


Why do you think he would be happy about this new tax?  My wife has an implanted morphine pump for chronic back pain, and we're still not sure what the cost repercussions will be next year, let alone when it need to be replaced.  All we know right now is her pain management doctor is retiring early and getting out of the biz.  The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.


Nearly all the doctors are projecting that. But why listen to the people being affected directly? We can listen to people who's total sum of knowledge is their favorite news talking head or the government itself. Because We All Know The Government Never Lies.

/EVAR.
 
2013-07-19 02:58:38 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Um, if you change insurance, since the beginning of time, for any reason, you run the risk that your doctor is not in the new plan. Obamacare has nothing to do with that.

If you keep your insurance, your odds are better, but they could most certainly change their contracts with the doctors and you might be faced with having to find another doctor. Or, they retire, die, move, or get arrested. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, either.

Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.

/this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation


Yep, I'm no fan of the man or his plan...but THIS.
 
2013-07-19 02:58:43 PM  

itsaidwhat: Wow. This thread seems to have been jacked by a surprising number of probamacare people. Could just be that all the chumps working to pay taxes to fund ObamaCare are actually at work.

/on vacation


Sure didn't stop subby.  It's almost like your criticism ignores its applicability for those you agree with in some kind of specifically narrow vision of the world.  Good thing all the good people of the world who agree with you are also on vacation.

//Wouldn't post while I was on vacation, I have a life.
 
2013-07-19 02:59:00 PM  
Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 03:00:58 PM  

King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA


This is getting out of control.  Last night that damn Obamacare raped my neighbors male cat with a 40 grit condom at 3am.
 
2013-07-19 03:01:22 PM  
Voiceofreason01: "and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company."

Right? I mean, can you even *imagine* the free-market-rage we'd have been subjected to, if Obamacare mandated that doctors were no longer free to choose which insurance to accept?
 
2013-07-19 03:03:03 PM  

suburbanguy: DoBeDoBeDo: robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.

So your wife hates money?   Have her call the local hospital on the collection rates of cash only patients.   Hint: It's not good, unless she thinks selling the debt for $.03 on the dollar to a collections agency is a good return rate for services.

You DO understand that comparing payment rates for hospitals and non-emergency medical facilities is like comparing apples and broomhandles, right?  Hospitals (ERs) cannot turn away patients, and must treat them - even if they can't ergo.  Consequently, people who can't pay, in turn, favor hospitals for care.  Non-emergency medical offices can require you to pay at the time of service.  Can't pay?  No service.  It's not an emergency.  If it is, go to the ER...


So they expect that a large percentage of their customers (or potential) are just using insurance because it's there and would rather pay out of pocket instead?   Unless it's going to be ~$50 per visit that's just insanity.   If they can't treat EVERY known medical issue than their patients will still have to carry insurance to deal with specialists, hospitals, etc.   Who is going to pay for insurance they don't normally use, or go to a Doctor that they have to pay separately for?


Either way that's just restricting the market place.    So my point still stands, why do they hate money?
 
2013-07-19 03:03:05 PM  

RyanAntiHero: That's your fault. Stop watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and all TelevisionNews.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.

FTFY.


True, but Fox is by far the worst when it comes to public policy.
 
2013-07-19 03:04:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's really on your doctor, take it up with them.


Hey, why don't you take your logic and stick it up your ass and have an Obamacare doctor remove it?


/seriously though, I agree
 
2013-07-19 03:05:40 PM  

megarian: Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.


And your taxes went up as a result! Allah ackbar!
 
2013-07-19 03:06:00 PM  

fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.


Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?
 
2013-07-19 03:06:19 PM  
If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.
 
2013-07-19 03:07:29 PM  

BitwiseShift: ObamaCare has the sexiest nurses and the waiting rooms don't smell of Republicans.


*facepalm*  I'm not the best at the troll game either but you made a grievous error.  You used proper spelling and capitalization.  Re-bait that hook and cast again, it's fun to mess with people on Friday!
 
2013-07-19 03:09:07 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: megarian: Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.

And your taxes went up as a result! Allah ackbar!


Aw, now we both have AIDS-cancer.

Thanx Fartbama.
 
2013-07-19 03:10:44 PM  

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


The union thing was widely reported last week, kind of stupid, and the wall street journal blog, is your metric of journalistic credibility?
 
2013-07-19 03:13:55 PM  

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Obamacare, meet the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Law of Unintended Consequences, meet Obamacare.

Tea and crumpets, anyone?
 
2013-07-19 03:14:23 PM  

DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.


So nothing specific, just generalities about the "system"

Got it
 
2013-07-19 03:14:50 PM  
socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care
 
2013-07-19 03:14:52 PM  

Publikwerks: Peter von Nostrand: My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare

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Damn dude, (Peter von Nostrand) now your baby's going to look like Trayvon Martin!

/I'm in the boat and, I'm baitin'!  Just trollin' and trying to catch my limit on Friday!
 
2013-07-19 03:14:58 PM  
This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.
 
2013-07-19 03:15:09 PM  

ikanreed: and the wall street journal blog, is your metric of journalistic credibility?


It's all they got.
 
2013-07-19 03:16:21 PM  

letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care


Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?
 
2013-07-19 03:17:49 PM  
Took all you guys long enough to show up!

Wassa matter, having trouble signing in and out of the troll accounts?
 
2013-07-19 03:19:22 PM  
There are no republicans, there are no democrats, there is no great battle of opposing ideologies.  No catharsis, no higher quality nostrum nor normalcy shall emerge from either of the two ostensibly opposing camps that do not amount to anything more than different logos in any meaningful sense of the notion of governance.  It's a con.  It's malarkey.  It's a quadrennial fandango of sock puppet theater and the same fat bastard is working both puppets.

And they throw the most money and social engineering behind the puppet that they think will most likely allow for whatever they had already planned to do to get pushed through the grease like crap through a goose.  And then they spend the other three years shaping their next strategy, and vetting the new duo of puppets, and making sure that we keep barking sh*t at each other about which puppet's logo we have decided to sew on our coats.

And it's never gonna change until they either finish gutting the joint and head to the airport or we burn pretty much, yeah, every last bit of whatever moves their IOUs around to the ground.

And all of these threads and all of the cute pictures with funny captions and all of the political barbs and shilling and harrumphing doesn't add up to sh*t.  Sorry.
 
2013-07-19 03:21:21 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.


Best part.......

FOREVER

FOREVER

FOREVER

FOREVER
 
2013-07-19 03:23:52 PM  
letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care

impaler: Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?

no.

this is the reason that the words i used were chosen and arranged in a certain order so as to express something completely different
 
2013-07-19 03:31:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


wa-hahaha - watching the bouncing ball.

That's the  currentsmall print. Come 2017 I want you to remember you posted the above.
 
2013-07-19 03:31:21 PM  
Barak Obama

2009:
We have to pass the Affordable Care Act as fast as possible, people are sick and dieing because they have no health insurance!1!!

2013:
We're going to delay the implementation of the Affordable Care Act until after the 2014 elections because... reasons.
 
2013-07-19 03:31:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.


You lost, get over it.
 
2013-07-19 03:33:29 PM  

bunner: There are no republicans, there are no democrats, there is no great battle of opposing ideologies.  No catharsis, no higher quality nostrum nor normalcy shall emerge from either of the two ostensibly opposing camps that do not amount to anything more than different logos in any meaningful sense of the notion of governance.  It's a con.  It's malarkey.  It's a quadrennial fandango of sock puppet theater and the same fat bastard is working both puppets.

And they throw the most money and social engineering behind the puppet that they think will most likely allow for whatever they had already planned to do to get pushed through the grease like crap through a goose.  And then they spend the other three years shaping their next strategy, and vetting the new duo of puppets, and making sure that we keep barking sh*t at each other about which puppet's logo we have decided to sew on our coats.

And it's never gonna change until they either finish gutting the joint and head to the airport or we burn pretty much, yeah, every last bit of whatever moves their IOUs around to the ground.

And all of these threads and all of the cute pictures with funny captions and all of the political barbs and shilling and harrumphing doesn't add up to sh*t.  Sorry.


+ a brazillion.  they are all trolling us.
 
2013-07-19 03:33:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.


And you are going to lose big if you continue to ignore it.
 
2013-07-19 03:34:07 PM  

BitwiseShift: ObamaCare has the sexiest nurses and the waiting rooms don't smell of Republicans.


Shenanigans.  I have it on good authority that there is no such thing as an attractive government employee.
 
2013-07-19 03:37:00 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: money


Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.
 
2013-07-19 03:37:58 PM  

HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

And you are going to lose big if you continue to ignore it.


I'm always fine. Personal responsibility and such.
 
2013-07-19 03:39:32 PM  

Rhino_man: First the IBD article in the Politics tab, now this one on the main page.  Mods, stop the anti-healthcare wharrgarbl.  It's too much.


ACA has nothing to do with healthcare.  It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.
 
2013-07-19 03:39:52 PM  

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Just FYI, a blog is an opinion piece, not reporting. So...not "news."

/feel dirty trolled
 
2013-07-19 03:39:55 PM  
Look, Doctors who work for themselves are running a business like anyone else. They have the right to decide which types of insurance they will accept. There's really nothing that can be done about that. If you want to keep coverage for your doctor, you pick a plan that your doctor accepts. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that.
 
2013-07-19 03:41:24 PM  

RyanAntiHero: Nearly all the doctors are projecting that. But why listen to the people being affected directly? We can listen to people who's total sum of knowledge is their favorite news talking head or the government itself. Because We All Know The Government Never Lies.


Because, practicing medicine isn't about helping patients, saving lives, easing pain and improving (others') quality of life, it's about  DOLLA DOLLA BILLS Y'ALL.  I don't know about you, but I'd rather not have a doctor who's only, or even primary, interest is in the financial bottom line.
 
2013-07-19 03:42:11 PM  
I have no idea how this ultimately will play out, and I'm not anti-Obamacare.

That said, it kinda sucks my co-pays for drugs and doctor visits have basically doubled in the last few months, and my company is pulling back on what they cover because costs have gone up a bit. And I actually work for a company that cares about its employees,I can only imagine how bad it is at some faceless corporate hellholes.
 
2013-07-19 03:44:56 PM  

MyRandomName: ACA has nothing to do with healthcare. It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.


Health insurance has nothing to do with health care? What the hell am I paying Cigna for than? I should of just handed them some monopoly money for my surgery. Why are conservatives frequently so obtuse.
 
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