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2013-07-19 12:10:53 PM
My doctor died. While some people are of the opinion that doctors are like barbers and you choose the one with the worst haircut I can't abide a doctor who is in a state of decay. I'm not keeping my doctor.
 
2013-07-19 12:12:27 PM
I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.
 
2013-07-19 12:33:00 PM
and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.
 
2013-07-19 12:57:58 PM
My doctor likes Obamacare and will keep me on as a patient. So neener neener neener. He's not taking new patients though so sucks to be you.
 
2013-07-19 12:58:05 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


My idiot-brother-in-law and his other OT friends hate Obamacare and their discussions about how much money it's going to lose them basically come down to this. The down side of reforming the health care system in order to lower costs is that people who have been unfairly gaming the system for profit won't be able to any more.

I feel soiled after listening to them talk.
 
2013-07-19 01:39:33 PM

MrBallou: My idiot-brother-in-law and his other OT friends hate Obamacare and their discussions about how much money it's going to lose them basically come down to this. The down side of reforming the health care system in order to lower costs is that people who have been unfairly gaming the system for profit won't be able to any more.

I feel soiled after listening to them talk.


You should have given them a hand.

Aarontology: Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


The company I worked for before I switched to the one I do now was actually shut down by Medicare for scamming over four million on false dialysis transport billing in Nashville. They would continue to bill for patients who had died or were no longer being transported. The owners LITERALLY spent it on hookers and blow.
 
2013-07-19 01:41:18 PM
Um, if you change insurance, since the beginning of time, for any reason, you run the risk that your doctor is not in the new plan. Obamacare has nothing to do with that.

If you keep your insurance, your odds are better, but they could most certainly change their contracts with the doctors and you might be faced with having to find another doctor. Or, they retire, die, move, or get arrested. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, either.

Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.

/this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation
 
2013-07-19 01:51:05 PM
Obamacare knocked over my trash cans and made a mess while I slept last night. It took me 120 minutes clean it all up this morning because Obamacare lead a bunch of strays cats over to it so they could tear apart all the bags looking for the scraps

/obama, wtf is this guy's problem
 
2013-07-19 01:51:24 PM

SecretAgentWoman: /this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation


Which brings up the point: if Republican ideas are so good, why do they always have to lie to make them look good. Always.
 
2013-07-19 01:51:50 PM
I don't have a doctor, so I guess I WIN, don't I?
 
2013-07-19 01:52:23 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-19 01:53:18 PM
Under almost any company health plan, there is a chance you can't keep your own doctor.
So?
It's not like "your doctor" does a damn thing anyhow.  If you have a problem, you see a specialist.
 
2013-07-19 01:53:28 PM
First the IBD article in the Politics tab, now this one on the main page.  Mods, stop the anti-healthcare wharrgarbl.  It's too much.
 
2013-07-19 01:53:28 PM
My doctor stopped accepting insurance and went to a monthly payment scheme, so while I may keep him I don't think I will.
 
2013-07-19 01:54:17 PM
My 66 year old doctor retired last year. I have to choose a new doctor.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 01:54:29 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


Well that more than makes up for the quality ethical doctors that will just quit rather than deal with ObamaCare.
 
2013-07-19 01:55:07 PM
An Obamacare ate my baby!
 
2013-07-19 01:55:20 PM
Obviously it depends on whether or not your doctor chooses to be part of your network. This is only a shock for the dimwitted. For the rest of us, who have functioning brain cells, this the daily anti-Obama fake "scandal," tune in tomorrow for a new one!
 
2013-07-19 01:56:02 PM

Begoggle: Under almost any company health plan, there is a chance you can't keep your own doctor.
So?
It's not like "your doctor" does a damn thing anyhow.  If you have a problem, you see a specialist.


THREAD OVER!
 
2013-07-19 01:56:56 PM
My insurance changed and I could no longer see my old doctor.


IN 2007.

Thanks Obama
 
2013-07-19 01:57:01 PM
Mine looks like a young Christopher Reeves + mullet.  I'm keeping him.
 
2013-07-19 01:57:12 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-19 01:57:24 PM
What doctor? I go to urgent care since I don't have any chronic illnesses.
 
2013-07-19 01:57:38 PM
I moved away and had to find a new Doctor 1200 miles from home.

Thanks Obama
 
2013-07-19 01:57:43 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


Exactly.

This is just like if you change insurance providers under normal circumstances - changing job, employeer picks a different provider, etc.

Or even if your current doctor stops taking a certain provider.

I had to change my primary care physician a few years back, because he stopped taking my provider - apparently, he'd had one too many billing arguments with them, and decided they weren't worth the hassle.

But since they were the insurance company that make my 40k+ back surgury cost me about 1k out of pocket, I wanted to stay with them.  Especially since I've never had a problem with them; they approved an MRI inside 24 hours, rather than the days or weeks (or longer) that I've heard from other providers.
 
2013-07-19 01:58:30 PM
Wow. This thread seems to have been jacked by a surprising number of probamacare people. Could just be that all the chumps working to pay taxes to fund ObamaCare are actually at work.

/on vacation
 
2013-07-19 02:00:43 PM
ahhh yes, the nuance of changing definitions to fit your agenda
 
2013-07-19 02:00:48 PM
I was blinded by acid. Now I can't see my doctor.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-07-19 02:00:57 PM
Duh. If you change insurance providers, you might have to change doctors if he's not in that network. Wow, that's a radical change from the way it's been ever since managed care got popular in the '80s.
 
2013-07-19 02:01:22 PM
On the other hand, people who don't have a doctor, by virtue of being strangers to any medical care other than an ER, won't have a problem with this
 
2013-07-19 02:01:42 PM
My current doctor.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-19 02:02:44 PM
My insurance company said I couldn't keep my doctor anymore because she had the nerve to *GASP* let her patients have their blood work done there in the office instead of having to shlep all the way to a scary low rent LabCorp office to have it done.

Never enough seats in the waiting room at Labcorp, long lines out the door, and I have actually seen employees get in near physical fights there. It's like going to a third world country doctor's office.
 
2013-07-19 02:03:37 PM
I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.
 
2013-07-19 02:03:51 PM

itsaidwhat: Wow. This thread seems to have been jacked by a surprising number of probamacare people. Could just be that all the chumps working to pay taxes to fund ObamaCare are actually at work.

/on vacation


Or maybe most of us read it, and realized it's a heavily slanted article, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing.


It really is a crap article, even by Weekly (sub)Standard's sub-standards.
 
2013-07-19 02:04:11 PM
My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare
 
2013-07-19 02:04:25 PM
Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time
 
2013-07-19 02:04:33 PM
Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA
 
2013-07-19 02:04:42 PM
Who the fark sees doctors? That shiat is way too expensive. Buy some pills on the internet and get over it.
 
2013-07-19 02:05:07 PM
ObamaCare has the sexiest nurses and the waiting rooms don't smell of Republicans.
 
2013-07-19 02:05:12 PM

DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.


Sounds serious. Do tell......
 
2013-07-19 02:06:22 PM

impaler: SecretAgentWoman: /this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation

Which brings up the point: if Republican ideas are so good, why do they always have to lie to make them look good. Always.


Because they lied about so many things that no one believes them if they ever said the truth.
 
2013-07-19 02:06:45 PM

Peter von Nostrand: My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-19 02:08:45 PM
I am now less intelligent as a direct result of reading that article.  Crappy headline bait journalism for the Honey Boo Boo set.
 
2013-07-19 02:08:49 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


Yeah, I don't remember what the source of the claim was that you'd have to switch doctors, but after it ended up being mandatory insurance, I thought it was a pretty incredible claim, since many of us with employer-provided insurance have had to switch GPs several times over the past decade or so because the insurance company says, "oh, hey, the GP you went to for your last visit isn't in your group any more," find a new doctor in the group, then 6 months lather, rinse, and repeat.
 
2013-07-19 02:09:30 PM
Will I be able to play the piano under Obamacare?
 
2013-07-19 02:09:30 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


So private party insurance decreases choice in the marketplace?

Duh!!!
 
2013-07-19 02:09:47 PM

Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......


It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.
 
2013-07-19 02:10:44 PM

alaric3: My doctor died. While some people are of the opinion that doctors are like barbers and you choose the one with the worst haircut I can't abide a doctor who is in a state of decay. I'm not keeping my doctor.


They're pretty handy if you can manage to swipe their prescription pad before their relatives fly in for the funeral, though.
 
2013-07-19 02:11:20 PM

henryhill: Will I be able to play the piano under Obamacare?


Of course!
 
2013-07-19 02:11:34 PM
Every time my company changes insurance providers, I am forced to pick a new in-plan doctor.
 
2013-07-19 02:12:17 PM
Obamacare forced Disney to make The Lone Ranger and John Carter.
 
2013-07-19 02:13:01 PM
My dr retired because of obamacare. If I go see him now it would be awkward.
 
2013-07-19 02:14:11 PM

Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time


This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.
 
2013-07-19 02:14:57 PM

ii_hctub: My dr retired because of obamacare. If I go see him now it would be awkward.


Your doctor was a moron then.  Good riddance.
 
2013-07-19 02:15:00 PM
My Fark Independent™ friends had the insurance for their small business jump by something like 200 percent year to year after Obamacare passed (but long before it was implemented). Rather than blaming their rip-off insurance company, they of course blamed Obama. Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-07-19 02:17:24 PM
My doctor told me I should quit smoking, drinking, and snorting cocaine. Also I have herpes and borderline high blood pressure.

Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 02:18:29 PM
This is no different than switching health care plans at work.  Some doctors might not be in your list of providers.  Not some evil socialist plot.
 
2013-07-19 02:18:40 PM
I remember having to change my doctor 3 times as my company's insurance plan changed. Nothing is certain. Do people really believe that premiums were going down before Obamacare?
 
2013-07-19 02:19:02 PM

Begoggle: Under almost any company health plan, there is a chance you can't keep your own doctor.
So?
It's not like "your doctor" does a damn thing anyhow.  If you have a problem, you see a specialist.


My doctor briefs me on how to lie convincingly to the specialist. A lot of times when I go in with a sore shoulder, I don't realize that it's actually crippling pain that's keeping me away from work and could become an expensive chronic condition.

On the downside, it takes 3-4 days to get an appointment. So I usually only see him when I'm not sick.
 
2013-07-19 02:19:13 PM
"He said he was going to bring change! Bet you didn't realize he'd be changing your doctor for you!"

trololol lol lol lol lol

/drtfa
 
2013-07-19 02:20:15 PM
The super hot physician's assistant at my family doctor gave me a physical for work and I got a weird semi-boner, and had to find a new doctor.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 02:22:50 PM
Obamacare gave me an UFIA and made out with my mom.
 
2013-07-19 02:23:11 PM
Watch a real doctor shut up the Koch brothers in under two minutes.  I think it would be so neat if all the people screaming and yelling about how everyone is going to marked with the number of the beast and eaten by doctors because of Obamacare would actually READ a little bit about the Affordable Care Act before believing what their conservative "think tank" overlords tell them is the truth.
 
2013-07-19 02:23:21 PM

MrBallou: Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.

My idiot-brother-in-law and his other OT friends hate Obamacare and their discussions about how much money it's going to lose them basically come down to this. The down side of reforming the health care system in order to lower costs is that people who have been unfairly gaming the system for profit won't be able to any more.

I feel soiled after listening to them talk.


You probably felt the way that I felt after talking to my dad complain about the ACA who is head of HR at a hospital who has a 6 figure income and a Cadillac health care plan and is upset that he will have to pay a tax on his pacemaker that saved his life. (he's upset about other things under the law as well, but that one bothered me the most)
 
2013-07-19 02:23:41 PM

ii_hctub: My dr retired because of obamacare. If I go see him now it would be awkward.


Especially sans pants.

Thanks Obama...
 
2013-07-19 02:24:16 PM

meat0918: Mine looks like a young Christopher Reeves + mullet.  I'm keeping him.


When he eventually splits into red and blue variants, which will you choose?

/Obscure?
 
2013-07-19 02:24:30 PM

robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife

Morgan Fairchild, is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other really hot doctor specialists joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.

They didn't always forgo accepting insurance. No, when they were real doctors, they told the truth. But then one day, they got caught stealing money from Medicare. They lied. They told Medicare that it was homework - that OBAMA  told them to do it. And then they quit! Yeah, that's what happened!
 
2013-07-19 02:24:46 PM

robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.


So your wife hates money?   Have her call the local hospital on the collection rates of cash only patients.   Hint: It's not good, unless she thinks selling the debt for $.03 on the dollar to a collections agency is a good return rate for services.
 
2013-07-19 02:25:20 PM
Under Obamacare, you can finally afford to see a doctor.
 
2013-07-19 02:25:53 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-19 02:25:58 PM

cameroncrazy1984: What doctor? I go to urgent care since I don't have any chronic illnesses.


And I'm sure that will ALWAYS be the case for the entirety of your perfect life.  Good thing you'll be able to GET insurance once you discover you DO have a chronic illness/massive injury.

/never went to the doctor
//have had three surgeries in five years
 
2013-07-19 02:26:47 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


beakgeek: This is no different than switching health care plans at work.  Some doctors might not be in your list of providers.  Not some evil socialist plot.


free_xenu: Every time my company changes insurance providers, I am forced to pick a new in-plan doctor.


Exactly.  If we had single payer, than maybe the government might tell you.  The healthcare insurance system is so f'ed up.  Why is it tied to employment?  Shortened reason: because of wage controls in WWII.  For crying out loud.  Can't we graduate beyond the 1940s?  Why not let us all have access to the deal the congress does? OH YEAH BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH A CUSH DEAL IT WOULD BREAK THE BANK!

/end rand
 
2013-07-19 02:27:20 PM

impaler: SecretAgentWoman: /this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation

Which brings up the point: if Republican ideas are so good bad, why do they always have to lie to make them look good does Obama keep implementing them.? Always.


FTFY
 
2013-07-19 02:28:27 PM
Obvious tag because anything coming from The Weekly Standard is obviously a trolltastic pile of shiat?
 
2013-07-19 02:28:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Watch a real doctor shut up the Koch brothers in under two minutes.  I think it would be so neat if all the people screaming and yelling about how everyone is going to marked with the number of the beast and eaten by doctors because of Obamacare would actually READ a little bit about the Affordable Care Act before believing what their conservative "think tank" overlords tell them is the truth.


Kinda reminds me of an argument I had with my parents about it. They claimed every doctor would quit because of how little Medicare pays, ect... Then my wife, who works in a doctor's office told them private insurance often pays less and is far more of a pain in the ass.They responded with "Well, I mean, that must be an isolated example".

I've come to realize that it's best to just let them fume and get it out of their system. Then put them down for a nap.
 
2013-07-19 02:29:36 PM

DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.


What, specifically, were you lied to about?
 
2013-07-19 02:29:44 PM
Depending on the plan you choose

That's amazing! If I choose a plan that doesn't support my current doctor, I won't be able to see my current doctor any more!

Next, you'll be telling me that if I take off my jeans to put on khakis, that I won't be wearing my jeans any more! Scandalous! Outrage!
 
2013-07-19 02:29:56 PM
Well Obamacare is awesome, right?  That's why many provisions are being pushed off for another year pass mid-term elections.
 
2013-07-19 02:30:27 PM
2016 "Under Obamacare, you don't get to see a doctor"
 
2013-07-19 02:30:42 PM
Obamacare drank all my beer and knocked up my girlfriend.   Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 02:31:49 PM
I don't get the attachment to specific doctors. Now I understand if the one you're going to is fixing your problems that you like them. Nothing says the doctor across the street won't be able to do the same.  I pick based on convenience, if one moves his office or I move, I pick another. That's why they have records is so that is pretty seamless.
 
2013-07-19 02:32:20 PM

Publikwerks: ii_hctub: My dr retired because of obamacare. If I go see him now it would be awkward.

Especially sans pants.

Thanks Obama...


I can clearly see you're nuts!
 
2013-07-19 02:34:26 PM

Publikwerks: teenytinycornteeth: Watch a real doctor shut up the Koch brothers in under two minutes.  I think it would be so neat if all the people screaming and yelling about how everyone is going to marked with the number of the beast and eaten by doctors because of Obamacare would actually READ a little bit about the Affordable Care Act before believing what their conservative "think tank" overlords tell them is the truth.

Kinda reminds me of an argument I had with my parents about it. They claimed every doctor would quit because of how little Medicare pays, ect... Then my wife, who works in a doctor's office told them private insurance often pays less and is far more of a pain in the ass.They responded with "Well, I mean, that must be an isolated example".

I've come to realize that it's best to just let them fume and get it out of their system. Then put them down for a nap.


I briefly considered posting this video on my facebook, but I could predict the response from at least six people on my feed and I didn't feel like going through all the "fartbama" comments and accusations of me rubbing my "education" in their face.
 
2013-07-19 02:35:31 PM
I'm about to get another Doctor next fall:

upload.wikimedia.org

/Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-07-19 02:35:41 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-19 02:35:42 PM

SecretAgentWoman: and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation.


Where the hell were you that you missed the last four years of constant, deliberate misinformation?
 
2013-07-19 02:38:53 PM
You may not be at risk for HIV, nor sick at all,  but by executive order the US Gov't directs clinicians to test all citizens anyways.
It will save money.   Bring down costs....

My daughter is in PA school,  we welcome your money.   Thanks!

/Mo' money
//mo' money
 
2013-07-19 02:41:37 PM
Doctor?

I haven't been able to see a doctor in years. My last several employers didn't offer health care. One of my current gigs does, but it's Starbridge and it's awful and not worth it considering how little they actually cover (I'm better off paying out of pocket if I ever have an emergency, because they cover less per year than I'd spend on insurance in a couple years.)

So forgive me if I don't cry for all you folks who might have to switch doctors. It might be nice to have a choice like that. Boo hoo. You might have to have someone else make you better if you're ill. That sounds rough.
 
2013-07-19 02:41:46 PM
I like how ObamaCare is slowly being eased in... instead of having it just rammed all in at once.

considerate
 
2013-07-19 02:42:35 PM
It's really on your doctor, take it up with them.
 
2013-07-19 02:44:19 PM

hardinparamedic: The owners LITERALLY spent it on hookers and blow.


Of course they did. Dirty money can only be spent on dirty things.
 
2013-07-19 02:44:28 PM
Folks, until somebody with some actual drag says "Look, this is all bullsh*t.  We're gonna put a cap of costs for all inpatient procedures, medications and outpatient visits, we're gonna jack taxes up about, yeah 3% across the board and from now on, everybody gets what they need to stay alive and well, just like the rest of the first world", it's all bullsh*t, it's all a con and it's all just people moving the money to a different square on the felt.  And it doesn't matter if a f*cking pound of gravel is in the oval office as to how the new con works.
 
2013-07-19 02:44:38 PM
I am a conservative. I don't need a doctor. Really, I have no family doctor and could prescribe myself meds as needed if it weren't for the cartel of doctors controlling all of the antibiotics.
 
2013-07-19 02:45:19 PM
I am, unfortunately, forced to see a number of doctors fairly regularly, and all are extremely upset about the ACA. Also, maybe I'm a little confused, but while I was (pre-employment) paying $650 a month for medical insurance, I don't feel like $500 (same ACA insurance in NYC) is an incredible jump towards affordable. More like a way to keep someone from going completely broke for an extra half a month.
 
2013-07-19 02:45:25 PM

Publikwerks: I've come to realize that it's best to just let them fume and get it out of their system. Then put them down for a nap.


FTFY

Save everyone and yourself the hassle and future expense
 
2013-07-19 02:47:07 PM

xaldin: I don't get the attachment to specific doctors. Now I understand if the one you're going to is fixing your problems that you like them. Nothing says the doctor across the street won't be able to do the same.  I pick based on convenience, if one moves his office or I move, I pick another. That's why they have records is so that is pretty seamless.


I never got it either until I found a doctor that I liked. It turns out I'm crazy-allergic to Seattle and saw my current doc for the first time after I'd had 5 sinus infections in 6 months. He listened to my rambling story medical history regarding allergies and agreed that what had worked for me in the past in other cities just wasn't cutting it here in Seattle. Meanwhile, the doctors I'd seen over the prior 2 years (because I was sick all the damn time) completely blew me off. Clearly I don't know what the fark I'm talking about because it's not like I'm the one living with this. The new doc asked me if I'd been to the doctor for all 5 sinus infections and when I said, "No, none of the docs I saw ever took me seriously and didn't care that it was my third or fourth illness in as many months" he nodded his head because he knows so many doctors just don't give a fark because sinus infections are boring unless your eye is popping out. (Yes, that can happen.)
 
2013-07-19 02:47:36 PM

Demonrats: I am a conservative. I don't need a doctor. Really, I have no family doctor and could prescribe myself meds as needed if it weren't for the cartel of doctors controlling all of the antibiotics.


I recommend colloidal silver, you'll never get sick again. Plus the health cartel hasn't managed to hide it from free thinking rugged individualists like you and me.
 
2013-07-19 02:47:56 PM

Red Beard: ii_hctub: My dr retired because of obamacare. If I go see him now it would be awkward.

Your doctor was a moron then.  Good riddance.


He was probably scamming medicare for tons of money and decided to get while the gettin' was good.

My friend is a doctor, and his company regularly charged medicare for a "surgical procedure" whenever he went and clipped patient's toenails when he was examining their feet.
 
2013-07-19 02:48:01 PM
Obamacare ran over my dog.
 
2013-07-19 02:48:16 PM
So I have to pick a doctor the health plan will approve of?
Like my current health plan?
Like my last health plan?
And the one before that?
Like everybody elses health plan?

That is SO unfair.
 
2013-07-19 02:48:42 PM
I'll keep seeing the same Doctor regardless of Obamacare.

www.digitaldeliftp.com
 
2013-07-19 02:49:18 PM

kidgenius: Publikwerks: I've come to realize that it's best to just let them fume and get it out of their system. Then put them down for a nap.

FTFY

Save everyone and yourself the hassle and future expense


Do I look like Zimmerman?

//actually, I do
///portly bastard,
////I used to have all the slashies I wanted. Thanks Obama
 
2013-07-19 02:49:47 PM

bluefox3681: Well Obamacare is awesome, right?  That's why many provisions are being pushed off for another year pass mid-term elections.


Yes, it's definitely better than what we had in the past. Are you arguing that we should go back to the way it was?
 
2013-07-19 02:50:03 PM

DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.


That's your fault. Stop watching Fox News.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.
 
2013-07-19 02:50:28 PM

darth_badger: I'll keep seeing the same Doctor regardless of Obamacare.

[www.digitaldeliftp.com image 350x160]


upload.wikimedia.org

Nuh uhh
 
2013-07-19 02:52:18 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.

So your wife hates money?   Have her call the local hospital on the collection rates of cash only patients.   Hint: It's not good, unless she thinks selling the debt for $.03 on the dollar to a collections agency is a good return rate for services.


You DO understand that comparing payment rates for hospitals and non-emergency medical facilities is like comparing apples and broomhandles, right?  Hospitals (ERs) cannot turn away patients, and must treat them - even if they can't ergo.  Consequently, people who can't pay, in turn, favor hospitals for care.  Non-emergency medical offices can require you to pay at the time of service.  Can't pay?  No service.  It's not an emergency.  If it is, go to the ER...
 
2013-07-19 02:53:06 PM
I just bought a Home Surgery Kit from EBAY......so I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies
 
2013-07-19 02:53:28 PM

impaler: DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.

That's your fault. Stop watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and all TelevisionNews.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.


FTFY.
 
2013-07-19 02:53:48 PM
My original doctor here moved away.  So I didn't get to keep that doctor.  Instead I saw someone else new to the group.  I like her better than the original one.  And if I didn't, I could have found another one.
 
2013-07-19 02:54:38 PM

OhioUGrad: is upset that he will have to pay a tax on his pacemaker that saved his life.



Why do you think he would be happy about this new tax?  My wife has an implanted morphine pump for chronic back pain, and we're still not sure what the cost repercussions will be next year, let alone when it need to be replaced.  All we know right now is her pain management doctor is retiring early and getting out of the biz.  The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.
 
2013-07-19 02:57:21 PM

fickenchucker: OhioUGrad: is upset that he will have to pay a tax on his pacemaker that saved his life.


Why do you think he would be happy about this new tax?  My wife has an implanted morphine pump for chronic back pain, and we're still not sure what the cost repercussions will be next year, let alone when it need to be replaced.  All we know right now is her pain management doctor is retiring early and getting out of the biz.  The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.


Nearly all the doctors are projecting that. But why listen to the people being affected directly? We can listen to people who's total sum of knowledge is their favorite news talking head or the government itself. Because We All Know The Government Never Lies.

/EVAR.
 
2013-07-19 02:58:38 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Um, if you change insurance, since the beginning of time, for any reason, you run the risk that your doctor is not in the new plan. Obamacare has nothing to do with that.

If you keep your insurance, your odds are better, but they could most certainly change their contracts with the doctors and you might be faced with having to find another doctor. Or, they retire, die, move, or get arrested. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, either.

Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.

/this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation


Yep, I'm no fan of the man or his plan...but THIS.
 
2013-07-19 02:58:43 PM

itsaidwhat: Wow. This thread seems to have been jacked by a surprising number of probamacare people. Could just be that all the chumps working to pay taxes to fund ObamaCare are actually at work.

/on vacation


Sure didn't stop subby.  It's almost like your criticism ignores its applicability for those you agree with in some kind of specifically narrow vision of the world.  Good thing all the good people of the world who agree with you are also on vacation.

//Wouldn't post while I was on vacation, I have a life.
 
2013-07-19 02:59:00 PM
Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 03:00:58 PM

King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA


This is getting out of control.  Last night that damn Obamacare raped my neighbors male cat with a 40 grit condom at 3am.
 
2013-07-19 03:01:22 PM
Voiceofreason01: "and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company."

Right? I mean, can you even *imagine* the free-market-rage we'd have been subjected to, if Obamacare mandated that doctors were no longer free to choose which insurance to accept?
 
2013-07-19 03:03:03 PM

suburbanguy: DoBeDoBeDo: robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.

So your wife hates money?   Have her call the local hospital on the collection rates of cash only patients.   Hint: It's not good, unless she thinks selling the debt for $.03 on the dollar to a collections agency is a good return rate for services.

You DO understand that comparing payment rates for hospitals and non-emergency medical facilities is like comparing apples and broomhandles, right?  Hospitals (ERs) cannot turn away patients, and must treat them - even if they can't ergo.  Consequently, people who can't pay, in turn, favor hospitals for care.  Non-emergency medical offices can require you to pay at the time of service.  Can't pay?  No service.  It's not an emergency.  If it is, go to the ER...


So they expect that a large percentage of their customers (or potential) are just using insurance because it's there and would rather pay out of pocket instead?   Unless it's going to be ~$50 per visit that's just insanity.   If they can't treat EVERY known medical issue than their patients will still have to carry insurance to deal with specialists, hospitals, etc.   Who is going to pay for insurance they don't normally use, or go to a Doctor that they have to pay separately for?


Either way that's just restricting the market place.    So my point still stands, why do they hate money?
 
2013-07-19 03:03:05 PM

RyanAntiHero: That's your fault. Stop watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and all TelevisionNews.

It's not that hard to figure out what's going on, once you choose not to be deliberately lied to.

FTFY.


True, but Fox is by far the worst when it comes to public policy.
 
2013-07-19 03:04:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: It's really on your doctor, take it up with them.


Hey, why don't you take your logic and stick it up your ass and have an Obamacare doctor remove it?


/seriously though, I agree
 
2013-07-19 03:05:40 PM

megarian: Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.


And your taxes went up as a result! Allah ackbar!
 
2013-07-19 03:06:00 PM

fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.


Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?
 
2013-07-19 03:06:19 PM
If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.
 
2013-07-19 03:07:29 PM

BitwiseShift: ObamaCare has the sexiest nurses and the waiting rooms don't smell of Republicans.


*facepalm*  I'm not the best at the troll game either but you made a grievous error.  You used proper spelling and capitalization.  Re-bait that hook and cast again, it's fun to mess with people on Friday!
 
2013-07-19 03:09:07 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: megarian: Under Obamacare, I was forced to gay-marry a pregnant woman who then had a mandatory abortion when she was 13 months months along.

Thanks, Obama.

And your taxes went up as a result! Allah ackbar!


Aw, now we both have AIDS-cancer.

Thanx Fartbama.
 
2013-07-19 03:10:44 PM

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


The union thing was widely reported last week, kind of stupid, and the wall street journal blog, is your metric of journalistic credibility?
 
2013-07-19 03:13:55 PM

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Obamacare, meet the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Law of Unintended Consequences, meet Obamacare.

Tea and crumpets, anyone?
 
2013-07-19 03:14:23 PM

DubtodaIll: Peter von Nostrand: DubtodaIll: I like how all the point with which they sold obamacare to the public are all turning out to be lies. Now if only people who give a crap.

Sounds serious. Do tell......

It's endemic of our entire political system. Everything that's sold to the public is never the whole truth. It's unacceptable.


So nothing specific, just generalities about the "system"

Got it
 
2013-07-19 03:14:50 PM
socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care
 
2013-07-19 03:14:52 PM

Publikwerks: Peter von Nostrand: My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare

[i.imgur.com image 300x222]


Damn dude, (Peter von Nostrand) now your baby's going to look like Trayvon Martin!

/I'm in the boat and, I'm baitin'!  Just trollin' and trying to catch my limit on Friday!
 
2013-07-19 03:14:58 PM
This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.
 
2013-07-19 03:15:09 PM

ikanreed: and the wall street journal blog, is your metric of journalistic credibility?


It's all they got.
 
2013-07-19 03:16:21 PM

letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care


Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?
 
2013-07-19 03:17:49 PM
Took all you guys long enough to show up!

Wassa matter, having trouble signing in and out of the troll accounts?
 
2013-07-19 03:19:22 PM
There are no republicans, there are no democrats, there is no great battle of opposing ideologies.  No catharsis, no higher quality nostrum nor normalcy shall emerge from either of the two ostensibly opposing camps that do not amount to anything more than different logos in any meaningful sense of the notion of governance.  It's a con.  It's malarkey.  It's a quadrennial fandango of sock puppet theater and the same fat bastard is working both puppets.

And they throw the most money and social engineering behind the puppet that they think will most likely allow for whatever they had already planned to do to get pushed through the grease like crap through a goose.  And then they spend the other three years shaping their next strategy, and vetting the new duo of puppets, and making sure that we keep barking sh*t at each other about which puppet's logo we have decided to sew on our coats.

And it's never gonna change until they either finish gutting the joint and head to the airport or we burn pretty much, yeah, every last bit of whatever moves their IOUs around to the ground.

And all of these threads and all of the cute pictures with funny captions and all of the political barbs and shilling and harrumphing doesn't add up to sh*t.  Sorry.
 
2013-07-19 03:21:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.


Best part.......

FOREVER

FOREVER

FOREVER

FOREVER
 
2013-07-19 03:23:52 PM
letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care

impaler: Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?

no.

this is the reason that the words i used were chosen and arranged in a certain order so as to express something completely different
 
2013-07-19 03:31:10 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


wa-hahaha - watching the bouncing ball.

That's the  currentsmall print. Come 2017 I want you to remember you posted the above.
 
2013-07-19 03:31:21 PM
Barak Obama

2009:
We have to pass the Affordable Care Act as fast as possible, people are sick and dieing because they have no health insurance!1!!

2013:
We're going to delay the implementation of the Affordable Care Act until after the 2014 elections because... reasons.
 
2013-07-19 03:31:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.


You lost, get over it.
 
2013-07-19 03:33:29 PM

bunner: There are no republicans, there are no democrats, there is no great battle of opposing ideologies.  No catharsis, no higher quality nostrum nor normalcy shall emerge from either of the two ostensibly opposing camps that do not amount to anything more than different logos in any meaningful sense of the notion of governance.  It's a con.  It's malarkey.  It's a quadrennial fandango of sock puppet theater and the same fat bastard is working both puppets.

And they throw the most money and social engineering behind the puppet that they think will most likely allow for whatever they had already planned to do to get pushed through the grease like crap through a goose.  And then they spend the other three years shaping their next strategy, and vetting the new duo of puppets, and making sure that we keep barking sh*t at each other about which puppet's logo we have decided to sew on our coats.

And it's never gonna change until they either finish gutting the joint and head to the airport or we burn pretty much, yeah, every last bit of whatever moves their IOUs around to the ground.

And all of these threads and all of the cute pictures with funny captions and all of the political barbs and shilling and harrumphing doesn't add up to sh*t.  Sorry.


+ a brazillion.  they are all trolling us.
 
2013-07-19 03:33:38 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.


And you are going to lose big if you continue to ignore it.
 
2013-07-19 03:34:07 PM

BitwiseShift: ObamaCare has the sexiest nurses and the waiting rooms don't smell of Republicans.


Shenanigans.  I have it on good authority that there is no such thing as an attractive government employee.
 
2013-07-19 03:37:00 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: money


Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.
 
2013-07-19 03:37:58 PM

HeadLever: HotWingConspiracy: You lost, get over it.

And you are going to lose big if you continue to ignore it.


I'm always fine. Personal responsibility and such.
 
2013-07-19 03:39:32 PM

Rhino_man: First the IBD article in the Politics tab, now this one on the main page.  Mods, stop the anti-healthcare wharrgarbl.  It's too much.


ACA has nothing to do with healthcare.  It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.
 
2013-07-19 03:39:52 PM

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Just FYI, a blog is an opinion piece, not reporting. So...not "news."

/feel dirty trolled
 
2013-07-19 03:39:55 PM
Look, Doctors who work for themselves are running a business like anyone else. They have the right to decide which types of insurance they will accept. There's really nothing that can be done about that. If you want to keep coverage for your doctor, you pick a plan that your doctor accepts. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that.
 
2013-07-19 03:41:24 PM

RyanAntiHero: Nearly all the doctors are projecting that. But why listen to the people being affected directly? We can listen to people who's total sum of knowledge is their favorite news talking head or the government itself. Because We All Know The Government Never Lies.


Because, practicing medicine isn't about helping patients, saving lives, easing pain and improving (others') quality of life, it's about  DOLLA DOLLA BILLS Y'ALL.  I don't know about you, but I'd rather not have a doctor who's only, or even primary, interest is in the financial bottom line.
 
2013-07-19 03:42:11 PM
I have no idea how this ultimately will play out, and I'm not anti-Obamacare.

That said, it kinda sucks my co-pays for drugs and doctor visits have basically doubled in the last few months, and my company is pulling back on what they cover because costs have gone up a bit. And I actually work for a company that cares about its employees,I can only imagine how bad it is at some faceless corporate hellholes.
 
2013-07-19 03:44:56 PM

MyRandomName: ACA has nothing to do with healthcare. It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.


Health insurance has nothing to do with health care? What the hell am I paying Cigna for than? I should of just handed them some monopoly money for my surgery. Why are conservatives frequently so obtuse.
 
2013-07-19 03:45:44 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.

Begoggle: Under almost any company health plan, there is a chance you can't keep your own doctor.
So?
It's not like "your doctor" does a damn thing anyhow.  If you have a problem, you see a specialist.


Even better!  Your argument really is "Your doctor is worthless anyhow.  Why even bother going to one?"?

My brief scan didn't see anyone blaming businesses.  But i am sure they are there.  Blaming businesses for changing plans and making you switch your doctor due to health plan changes due to Obamacare is a ridiculous argument too.
 
2013-07-19 03:47:47 PM

robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.


My husband is a Primary Care Physician who owns his own practice, and yes, going the no insurance route is tempting. We currently pay more for a vet visit than what he's able to clear for patient visit. This coupled with the extra hours of paperwork every day can definitely lead to insurance frustration. Not to mention, he moved offices last Spring, and a simple change of address caused a 3 month delay of payments from the insurance companies. THREE MONTHS. NO PAYMENT. For moving into a new office a mile down the road. And people wonder why there's a primary care shortage.
 
2013-07-19 03:50:16 PM

that bosnian sniper: SecretAgentWoman: and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation.

Where the hell were you that you missed the last four years of constant, deliberate misinformation?


Wrong damn country, I know.  But it's the closest one I could find.

i1197.photobucket.com
/threadjack over.
 
2013-07-19 03:52:30 PM

MyRandomName: Rhino_man: First the IBD article in the Politics tab, now this one on the main page.  Mods, stop the anti-healthcare wharrgarbl.  It's too much.

ACA has nothing to do with healthcare.  It deals with health insurance. Why do liberals continually lie about this point.


But I bet the constant barrage of misleading information and outright lying by the right about ACA is okay
 
2013-07-19 03:56:10 PM

robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.


Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.
 
2013-07-19 03:57:31 PM

teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.


Speaking of medication, have you taken yours today? Christ on a cracker.
 
2013-07-19 04:00:15 PM

alaric3: My doctor died.



Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-19 04:00:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.


*applause*

yep, that about sums it up.  Can't make money off our sick asses, they don't want anything to do with us.  Ship em in, ship em out, but don't take too long.  Give em a pill, send em up the street, anything but take actual care of someone who came to see you. You can fit 35 appointments in a day, DO EEEIT!

Any doctor that thinks and acts like that is an asstard.

My doctor is not.  And accepts Medicare/Medicaid/Private insurance and has a sliding scale for those without insurance.  My doctor is not an asshole.
 
2013-07-19 04:05:05 PM

Peter von Nostrand: My wife had to stop going to our family physician because she got pregnant. Thanks a lot, Obamacare


So.... Obama farked your wife?
 
2013-07-19 04:06:49 PM
2015.  You had a doctor? Have you looked in your shoe.
 
2013-07-19 04:07:07 PM

dbrunker: We're going to delay the implementation of the Affordable Care Act until after the 2014 elections because... reasons.


Some parts of the ACA. Because polticians want to keep their job, and SuperPACs are waiting to kill their chances of re-election, because the uninformed populace stupidly believes what they hear from SuperPACs.

Imagine what our government would be like if our politicians were single-term and thus didn't have to worry about re-election.
 
2013-07-19 04:12:13 PM

HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: This is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

The liberals seem exceptionally butt hurt today.

Unfortunately, it is now too expensive to call the Waaaaaaaamubance for them.

You lost, get over it.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-07-19 04:15:10 PM

letrole: letrole: socialised medicine would come closer to being accepted in america if liberals could be stopped from using it as a means of distributing all sorts of welfare benefits that aren't actual medical care

impaler: Are you referring to the fact health insurance isn't technically medical care?

no.

this is the reason that the words i used were chosen and arranged in a certain order so as to express something completely different


I didn't get it either
 
2013-07-19 04:17:16 PM
Health care is primarily about money.  Not health.  And as soon as something becomes primarily about money, the thing it is said to be about is the thing is used to be about.  "The healing arts" have been replaced with "how many sick people to a new Mercedes."
 
2013-07-19 04:21:58 PM

SlothB77: The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.


So much for "tough on crime" huh?

/I'm just kidding, I know it's really "tough on the attractive and successful".
 
2013-07-19 04:23:07 PM

SlothB77: The spin doctors are in full force today.

Before: "You can keep your doctor."
Now: "Your doctor was bad.  Your new Obamacare-supplied doctor is better."

Just more lies.


Or, alternately...hey!  There's that Medicare fraud right-wingers are so up-in-arms about! Glad to see we've cleared that up.
 
2013-07-19 04:26:32 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.


Of course not.  It would have been ridiculous for them to have an 'all you guys cant go to your doctors' clause.  What 98% of people took that statement to mean, was that "If you dont want any of our new plans, you can keep your old one"

Obama never said that what he was going to do was jack up your costs either.  So you can keep your doctor.. but you just have to pay more, especially if your doctor works with medicare and is currently getting boned my Obama.

My doctor has a lot of medicare patients and had to increase our cost by $1000.

So yeah, I can keep him, I just have to pay more.

Ask me if I have seen Joe Biden's "$2500" of savings..  Go ahead.
 
2013-07-19 04:28:44 PM

FTDA: King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA

This is getting out of control.  Last night that damn Obamacare raped my neighbors male cat with a 40 grit condom at 3am.


40 grit condom would be a great name for a band.
 
2013-07-19 04:35:16 PM

alabasterblack: I am now less intelligent as a direct result of reading that article.  Crappy headline bait journalism for the Honey Boo Boo set.


+1 interwebs to you, sir.  Thanks for a good chuckle, I've needed one all day.
 
2013-07-19 04:36:18 PM

Chewb1zz: fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.

Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?


She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.  And with the increase in what is basically Medicare she cannot pay the bills per-patient on what the government pays.

No doctor can keep the doors open purely on Medicare, and the ACA is essentially Medicare under another name.
 
2013-07-19 04:40:29 PM
It is almost like the people talking about it don't understand and don't want to understand it.  Copy/paste this into every political thread ever.
 
2013-07-19 04:42:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weekly_Standard

Can we find, well, a little less biased source? These people are the ones who were saying "You'll TOTALLY LOSE YOUR DOCTOR" in 2009. Hearing that they're still saying it four years later...doesn't mean much to me.
 
2013-07-19 04:43:57 PM
The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.
 
2013-07-19 04:44:43 PM

fickenchucker: Chewb1zz: fickenchucker: The doctor projected she would be forced into a hefty pay cut and threw in the towel.

Why?  Are insurance companies gonna stop paying her? Where is the pay cut coming from?

She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.  And with the increase in what is basically Medicare she cannot pay the bills per-patient on what the government pays.

No doctor can keep the doors open purely on Medicare, and the ACA is essentially Medicare under another name.


That seems like a reasonable response than. However, those employees that lost there coverage are either going to have to get insurance through the exchanges or another method or pay the fine and hope they don't have any medical needs.  Doesn't seem like the pool would shrink that much. They have jobs that offer insurance so probably won't qualify for medicare,
 
2013-07-19 04:48:20 PM
www.plascos.com

"My doctor had to rush because he has to see more patients in the same amount of time to make the same kind of money, so he gave me uneven breast implants. Thanks a lot, Obamacare!"
 
2013-07-19 04:54:27 PM
Would one of you "well duh" defenders explain it to those of us who took Obama at his word?

Did you know at the time we were being lied to, or was Obama that stupid to think he could honor that promise. Pretty much has to be one or the other.

Because now that he can't, it sounds like it was obvious to you from day one.
 
2013-07-19 04:59:56 PM

cchris_39: Would one of you "well duh" defenders explain it to those of us who took Obama at his word?

Did you know at the time we were being lied to, or was Obama that stupid to think he could honor that promise. Pretty much has to be one or the other.

Because now that he can't, it sounds like it was obvious to you from day one.


Neither of these things. It's up to your doctor if they will keep you, so you should really take it up with them.
 
2013-07-19 05:07:31 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Um, if you change insurance, since the beginning of time, for any reason, you run the risk that your doctor is not in the new plan. Obamacare has nothing to do with that.

If you keep your insurance, your odds are better, but they could most certainly change their contracts with the doctors and you might be faced with having to find another doctor. Or, they retire, die, move, or get arrested. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, either.

Obama was clearly referring to the fact that nothing in the law with force you to change your current insurance or doctor.

/this is getting old, and I know it's only starting - the deliberate misinformation


And you're already good at it.
 
2013-07-19 05:20:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: bluefox3681: Well Obamacare is awesome, right?  That's why many provisions are being pushed off for another year pass mid-term elections.

Yes, it's definitely better than what we had in the past. Are you arguing that we should go back to the way it was?


Yes, perhaps.  The CBO's own projection is that 31 million people in this country will not have health insurance in this country and that this number will never be lower.  Plus this is raising rates.  Employers are cutting hours and increasing part time positions rather than full time employees.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/michael-cahill/why-obamacare-will-still -l eave-31-million-uninsured/
 
2013-07-19 05:40:29 PM

fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.


How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.
 
2013-07-19 05:42:29 PM

Thrag: fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.

How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.


If the penalty is less than the cost of providing healthcare, you're getting farked, but not as badly. The gov's gonna get their paper no matter what.
 
2013-07-19 05:42:31 PM

fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.


Now THIS is the stupidest lie that keeps getting repeated.

Right now there are NO - repeat - NO penalties for not offering Healthcare coverage for small businesses. So, are these small businesses gleefully dropping coverage because it's cheaper? No. So, why would they drop it and pay penalties? They won't, because they offered the insurance to stay competitive or because they aren't dicks. Not because they are looking for the cheapest route, otherwise, they wouldn't have offered any coverage in the first place.
 
2013-07-19 05:44:03 PM
Health Insurance companies are just middlemen, and have no place in a centralized healthcare system. Calculate the profits they make every year (total profits, what they claim and what they hide) and that's your Obamacare savings going down the drain in the system as it is now designed.
 
2013-07-19 05:44:07 PM

RobertBruce: The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.


Hey, maybe we should try using that good old private sector competition to drive down costs. Perhaps a program where we can give people private insurance as an alternative to medicare. Then we can compare what regular medicare costs to what the new private insurance program costs!

Would you be all for such a program?
 
2013-07-19 05:48:15 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


They are farming your care out to the insurance companies. You'll still see whoever is in the insurance network and be told what procedure you can have or what drug you need based on what some MBA got a drug company to provide a kickback for. It's all a scam to funnel money to the insurance companies.
 
2013-07-19 05:48:20 PM

robohobo: Thrag: fickenchucker: She said the new rules basically encourage smaller businesses to drop their employee healthcare coverage and pay the fines.

How does that work exactly?

So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

Forgive me if I don't get understand the logic where creating a penalty where there was not one before somehow encourages people to subject themselves to the penalty.

If the penalty is less than the cost of providing healthcare, you're getting farked, but not as badly. The gov's gonna get their paper no matter what.


Huh? I don't think you understand the question. Let's try an example. Say a company now spends $10,000 on their health benefits. So their choice currently is to pay $10,000 and provide health benefits or to not provide health benefits which will cost them $0. Under the new plan let's say the penalty for not providing health benefits is $1000. So the choice becomes either pay $10,000 for the benefits or pay a $1000 penalty.

How is having to pay $1000 for dropping benefits a greater incentive to do so than having to pay $0? Why would a company that can drop benefits at zero cost to itself but chooses not to, suddenly decide to drop benefits when it will cost them money to do so?
 
2013-07-19 06:00:00 PM
Because not being able to afford any doctor at all is better, amirite?
 
2013-07-19 06:12:52 PM

RobertBruce: The point is,state mandated contracts are limiting the market to far fewer big companies offering insurance.   So yes, your primary care doctor will be from a much more limited pool to choose from.     The governments big or small don't ever do anything that encourages competition,    Health care will be like choosing cable vs dsl in your town.


Health care was already like choosing cable vs dsl, the difference was that the cable company couldn't terminate your contract if you got a computer virus.  The health insurance industry is getting 40 million new subscribers with a big bow on them and all they have to do in exchange is cover pre-existing conditions.
 
2013-07-19 06:13:34 PM
If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.
 
2013-07-19 06:15:43 PM

06Wahoo: If this was actually being reported by any of the so-called "un-biased" news sources (I'm still not sure how people think that is the case of CNN or, especially, MSNBC), I wonder how many Obamacare supporters would react.

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter- ob amacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/

I can practically hear their heads explode as I type this.


Because no employer ever pulled the 'hire temps instead of full time to avoid regulations' scam before this, its just because of the ACA and only because of the ACA.
 
2013-07-19 06:35:16 PM

Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.


Any other lies you'd like to try out?
 
2013-07-19 06:40:24 PM

Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.


So you'd rather just turn a blind eye to the fact that he's a criminal, and continue seeing him? Good farking job

And secondly, you definitely shouldn't be allowed to keep your current doctor! The whole current medical system is broken and corrupt. The system is setup like a business, the more "patients" you have, the more money you make. That's the bottom line. When you retire, you sell your "practice" for millions of dollars, That. is. wrong. I'm sure many of you selfish capitalist pigs would disagree.
 
2013-07-19 06:44:42 PM

Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.


i.imgur.com

Really?
 
2013-07-19 06:49:05 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: teenytinycornteeth: robohobo: DoBeDoBeDo: money

Like I said, the no insurance thing is just something they're discussing, I have no idea of the ramifications, I'm not a doctor nor an accountant. The no medicare thing though, that's worked out in their favor. They have more time to see more patients now. The folks with medicare all fit into a few categories--the old, who would come in and have appointments that took at least twice as long as all the rest, the young who would come in, lie about their injuries, and/or refuse to follow the given advice/medication/etc. Similar to how they instantly refer away attention seeking, bored, middle-aged housewives claiming any kind of 'algia'. Business has only gone up since.

Golly sounds like just the kind of doctor I want!  A doctor who doesn't want you to come in and ask any questions or talk about any of your symptoms because that takes too long and I have to go golfing!  Anyone under thirty is obviously just trolling for oxycontin with their baggy pants and their atheism and all that and anyone who comes in and has actually done one minute of research and suspects they may have an illness they read about...get them out of my face.  Women, will they ever stop whining, amirite?  I CAN TELL WHO IS SICK AND WHO ISN'T BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR POCKETBOOK.  I don't need all these confusing cases and people who want to "know what I'm talking about".  Your wife sounds like an extremely compassionate millionaire.

*applause*

yep, that about sums it up.  Can't make money off our sick asses, they don't want anything to do with us.  Ship em in, ship em out, but don't take too long.  Give em a pill, send em up the street, anything but take actual care of someone who came to see you. You can fit 35 appointments in a day, DO EEEIT!

Any doctor that thinks and acts like that is an asstard.

My doctor is not.  And accepts Medicare/Medicaid/Private insurance and has a sliding scale for those without insurance.



When I make an appointment with my detox doctor I know to schedule an hour around it because I inevitably have to wait a bit to see him.  It's because he takes his time with people, answers questions, lets me bring up things outside of the scope we're currently dealing with, asks me how I'm doing mentally as well as physically and it helps me to trust him with my care more.  I've dealt with doctors in pain management and gynecology who basically have to ask me every time I see them to retell my whole history because they can't be bothered to listen, take in and/or learn a little about their patients.

Should a doctor work for free? Make no profit? Absolutely not.  They deserve a pretty sizable salary if you ask me, but putting "make more money" at the top of your practice's goals is a little backward.
 
2013-07-19 07:23:19 PM
I have a current doctor!?

When did this happen?
 
2013-07-19 08:32:45 PM

robohobo: Nhojwolfe: Dr's worth any weight are going to break up into pods and you are going to have to pay 3-6 k a year just for the right to say this is my Dr.

Obama care is going to mess up medical care big time

This has been happening for awhile now. My wife is a specialist, couple years ago she and 7 or 8 other joined together to run their own clinic. First thing they did was opt out of accepting Medicare. They're looking at not accepting insurance, period. It's happening all over.


I hope it becomes a nationwide movement...

 ...because that will also drive down the cost of healthcare.

(Mostly because people come in for stuff, but if they can't pay you either find a cheaper way to do it or you start losing patients...)
 
2013-07-19 08:43:07 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Launch Code: If this obamacare folly is so great how come barry, his family, Congress, their families, the Senate and their families are exempt? That's what it says on page 114. Seems like true leaders would want to show Americans how "great" this is.

[i.imgur.com image 269x481]

Really?


And why are Democrats starting to turn against it, and some of the major unions are now asking for it's repeal or dramatic amendment?  Because it's a total disaster, designed only to maximize political corruption.
 
2013-07-19 08:46:47 PM
Well, since I didn't HAVE a doctor in 2009, it's like, whatever.
 
2013-07-19 08:48:13 PM
Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community-extending the statutorily mandated "December 31, 2013" deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won't receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they'll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International PresidentUFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
 
2013-07-19 09:20:23 PM

King Something: Obamacare put sugar in my car's gas tank, left a gallon of milk on the kitchen counter overnight and took out a full-page ad in the newspaper saying that I worship some guy named Stan.

THANKS 0BAMA


Your tithing has been coming up a little short recently. Don't make me send out the Angel Guido to re-baptise you.
 
2013-07-19 09:42:17 PM

Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.


And we're done here. It's basically the same situation it's always been. "Obamacare" is merely a new way to buy the same motherfarkin' crap for-profit insurance we've been boned with for decades. If your insurance company changes (just like it very well could have before Obamacare) then you're going to go with the in-network doctors for the new insurance (just like before Obamacare).

/ObamacareObamacareObamacare
//Can we please at least have a public option now? I JUST had a scary medical situation (which thankfully turned out to be nothing) where I opted to make an appointment instead of go to the emergency room because it was the difference between a $35 copay and a $200 copay.
///"Best darn health care in the world" could have actually cost me my life (or severe financial hardship) if it had turned out to be something serious. Thankfully, those chest pains turned out to be due to my asthma and coughing my lungs raw.
 
2013-07-19 09:49:42 PM

meat0918: Mine looks like a young Christopher Reeves + mullet.  I'm keeping him.


I'm going to have to ask for a picture of this.
 
2013-07-19 11:03:39 PM

supayoda: Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.

And we're done here. It's basically the same situation it's always been. "Obamacare" is merely a new way to buy the same motherfarkin' crap for-profit insurance we've been boned with for decades. If your insurance company changes (just like it very well could have before Obamacare) then you're going to go with the in-network doctors for the new insurance (just like before Obamacare).

...



How terrible that someone treated you like an adult, and allowed you to make your own decisions.  But I'm sure ObamaCare inserting another middle man will bring down costs.  And mandating coverage for minor benefits will certainly reduce costs - like turning $10 a month birth control pills into a $200 monthly expense, because it will now require a full bout of claims processing overhead.  I mean... Look at what a Fantastic Job they did with Social Security!!!!!11!!  Young people are really set to benefit from that.
 
2013-07-19 11:04:31 PM
OK, we passed it, now you can read it...

scrapetv.com

Hoo Hoo!  Joke's on you!
 
2013-07-19 11:56:46 PM

Full Metal Retard: We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International PresidentUFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE


Wow, if only these guys could get together with like minded individuals to protest to their employers things they think those empoyers are being unfair about.  Maybe if they were more organized and had solidarity, they could have some bargaining power..
 
2013-07-20 12:13:10 AM

Full Metal Retard: supayoda: Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.

And we're done here. It's basically the same situation it's always been. "Obamacare" is merely a new way to buy the same motherfarkin' crap for-profit insurance we've been boned with for decades. If your insurance company changes (just like it very well could have before Obamacare) then you're going to go with the in-network doctors for the new insurance (just like before Obamacare).

...


How terrible that someone treated you like an adult, and allowed you to make your own decisions.  But I'm sure ObamaCare inserting another middle man will bring down costs.  And mandating coverage for minor benefits will certainly reduce costs - like turning $10 a month birth control pills into a $200 monthly expense, because it will now require a full bout of claims processing overhead.  I mean... Look at what a Fantastic Job they did with Social Security!!!!!11!!  Young people are really set to benefit from that.


Well, you ARE a retard. And a liar. And ignorant of history. And determined not to be accurate. But other than that, you've got a good thing going.
 
2013-07-20 12:24:29 AM

Full Metal Retard: How terrible that someone treated you like an adult, and allowed you to make your own decisions.  But I'm sure ObamaCare inserting another middle man will bring down costs.  And mandating coverage for minor benefits will certainly reduce costs - like turning $10 a month birth control pills into a $200 monthly expense, because it will now require a full bout of claims processing overhead.  I mean... Look at what a Fantastic Job they did with Social Security!!!!!11!!  Young people are really set to benefit from that.


Well... At least your handle is accurate, bless your heart.
 
2013-07-20 12:32:13 AM
Considering that employer based health insurance (not healthcare, which should never be used interchangeably) is about the single dumbest concept to be introduced to capitalist markets (just edging out triple loan swaps) since the company town, then even if Obamacare came over to your house, shot your dog, made your spouse gay, forced your daughter to have an abortion, took all your guns right down to the plastic pistol held by your kid's army men, gave Chris Mathews a bull horn, tuned the television to PBS and broke the remote control, and gave an immigrant with darker skin than your own not just any job, but your job, it would still be a step in the right direction.
 
2013-07-20 12:45:47 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I don't have a doctor, so I guess I WIN, don't I?


Nope, you don't. Because now if you're young and healthy (or old and healthy) you now have to buy shiat you don't need! Yay for big insurance sleeping with politicians.
 
2013-07-20 01:09:33 AM
Obama won't even enforce his own signature legislation.

Must be a ringer.
 
2013-07-20 01:24:23 AM

alaric3: My doctor died. While some people are of the opinion that doctors are like barbers and you choose the one with the worst haircut I can't abide a doctor who is in a state of decay. I'm not keeping my doctor.


You're not keeping your doctor? What are you, prejudiced against dead people?
 
2013-07-20 01:56:44 AM

Thrag: So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?


because employers can go.. "hmmm..  should I pay 3000 per employee or 750, and the employees can just sign up for the govt plan"
 
2013-07-20 02:05:14 AM

ghare: Full Metal Retard: supayoda: Voiceofreason01: and buried WAY at the bottom of the article it notes that "Obamacare" does not in any way effect who your doctor is as that's decided by you and your insurance company.

And we're done here. It's basically the same situation it's always been. "Obamacare" is merely a new way to buy the same motherfarkin' crap for-profit insurance we've been boned with for decades. If your insurance company changes (just like it very well could have before Obamacare) then you're going to go with the in-network doctors for the new insurance (just like before Obamacare).

...


How terrible that someone treated you like an adult, and allowed you to make your own decisions.  But I'm sure ObamaCare inserting another middle man will bring down costs.  And mandating coverage for minor benefits will certainly reduce costs - like turning $10 a month birth control pills into a $200 monthly expense, because it will now require a full bout of claims processing overhead.  I mean... Look at what a Fantastic Job they did with Social Security!!!!!11!!  Young people are really set to benefit from that.

Well, you ARE a retard. And a liar. And ignorant of history. And determined not to be accurate. But other than that, you've got a good thing going.


When you need to throw insults, instead of responding to the content of an argument: It's just admitting the other guy is right.  We both know you're wrong, or you would have something to say.   So thanks for showing everyone how ignorant and lazy you are.

Some of the actuaries on ObamaCare are already writing that it is the greatest inter generational transfer of wealth in history: from young to old.  You folks just out of school for a few years will be pitching in an extra ... maybe $400 a month to help older people with their health care costs.  They are more politically organized, and vote in higher percentages - so they will always kick your ass when the Government is involved.  The fact that you're not smart enough to see that is just sad.


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2013-07-20 02:07:56 AM

Thrag: So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?


And, instead of costing 3000 per employee.. it is now 4000.  because the insurance now needs to pay for people that are putting into the pool.

so.. 4000.. vs 750.   tough call
 
2013-07-20 02:11:10 AM

Terrible Old Man: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't have a doctor, so I guess I WIN, don't I?

Nope, you don't. Because now if you're young and healthy (or old and healthy) you now have to buy shiat you don't need! Yay for big insurance sleeping with politicians.



What choice did they have?  They had a gun to their head, and chose the easy way out when given the "hard way or easy way" choice.

Businesses throwing money at politicians is seldom the first choice of the business.  But it is always the first choice of the politicians.  And if you ever get to know anybody in politics; you'll find out that lots of regulations are specifically written to be as destructive to the economy as possible.  So the businesses are forced to organize a trade group, and hire lobbyists, and the lobbyists will basically be a money laundering mechanism.

It's not that different from the mafia, but their suits are better.
 
2013-07-20 02:34:07 AM
Doctors and businesses that choose to flout the law had every option to not go about making it a PITA for ordinary people.

To preempt the Randists, HDHP just makes the problems worse by lowering the quality of care.
 
2013-07-20 02:42:51 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Thrag: So, an employer who  offers health benefits, who before the ACA could just drop the benefits at any time with zero cost to themselves, will now have an incentive to drop health benefits because now instead of it costing them nothing, it will cost them something?

because employers can go.. "hmmm..  should I pay 3000 per employee or 750, and the employees can just sign up for the govt plan"


Which means that the law should not have had the limit in the first place and to have more stringent stuff that makes it a living nightmare for employers that want to evade it or to avoid hiring because of it (or something indirect).
 
2013-07-20 02:57:30 AM
as long as insurance company's are involved you may not be able to chose or keep your doctor
hell you may not be able to chose or keep your insurance company either
been that way as long as I can remember
and I'm getting to be really old

better late than never?
 
2013-07-20 03:39:45 AM
2009 "Under Farkcare, you may be able to boost your current trolling." 2013 "Under Farkcare, you will be able to boost your current trolling"

/oh
//f*cking
///bligatory
 
2013-07-20 08:57:44 AM
Gee, you mean if your doctor does not accept your insurance or your insurance your doctor, you will have to find another or pay cash.

This is the same as before with a major difference...now people will have insurance so they can afford a doctor.

If this is a problem, then you are arguing for single payer, which is why Republicans invented the entire concept of "Obama"Care to avoid.
 
2013-07-20 10:02:25 AM
Every since HMOs came into vogue in the 1980s, I haven't been able to choose my own doctor for decades.  Now with no HMO, my insurance company strongly drives me towards in-network doctors via financial penalties for going out of network.

So what's this "doctor choice" thing everyone is always going on about?
 
2013-07-20 11:51:24 AM

itsaidwhat: Aarontology: I am unable to see my old doctor thanks to Obamacare.

Some of the anti-fraud provisions in it were responsible for finding out he'd scammed Medicare for over $750,000 by billing them for patients that didn't exist or procedures he didn't perform.

Well that more than makes up for the quality ethical doctors that will just quit rather than deal with ObamaCare.


Cause when I pick a doctor, I make sure he's a quitter.
 
2013-07-20 12:50:10 PM

Full Metal Retard: Some of the actuaries on ObamaCare are already writing that it is the greatest inter generational transfer of wealth in history: from young to old.


Have they never heard of Medicare?  At least with this, the young get a few breadcrumbs of benefit for what they're paying.

sethstorm: Doctors and businesses that choose to flout the law had every option to not go about making it a PITA for ordinary people.

To preempt the Randists, HDHP just makes the problems worse by lowering the quality of care.


I think Randists are farking morans, but I would LOVE to have a legit HDHP option.  If this were the norm, costs would be drastically reduced for everyone, and care would be about the same.
 
2013-07-20 08:45:53 PM

BMFPitt: I think Randists are farking morans, but I would LOVE to have a legit HDHP option. If this were the norm, costs would be drastically reduced for everyone, and care would be about the same.


Legit and HDHP do not belong together due to the way of HDHP working to reduce quality in the name of "cost-saving/efficiency".


TheMysteriousStranger: Gee, you mean if your doctor does not accept your insurance or your insurance your doctor, you will have to find another or pay cash.


Or pressure your state/etc. to make it a PITA to not accept it - and to vigorously enforce it.
 
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