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(Ottawa Citizen)   Ottawa waste company fined taking an illegal dump   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 10
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2013-07-19 11:09:26 AM  
Inspired by Dave Mathews.
 
2013-07-19 11:10:22 AM  
sierra.mmic.net

Coline de bine!
 
2013-07-19 11:14:21 AM  
Another poop thread? Too bad I already illegally dumped my illegal dump story last night.
 
2013-07-19 11:18:50 AM  
So they Ottawa dumped it someplace else.
 
2013-07-19 11:28:47 AM  
FTFA: An Ottawa waste company that dumped 500 toilets in an old quarry and 15,000 litres of oily waste water into the city's sewage treatment plant was fined $100,000 Thursday.

That provides no context. How large was the fine in relation to what it would have cost to dispose of things properly?

If it's not appropriately sized - say, 2 to 3 times the amount of the median bid - then it won't have any deterrent effect. Fark, if it's a quarter of a million to dispose of it properly and justa 100k fine for this, why bother doing it legally at all. Just create a line-item in the budget, do it and self-report afterward.
 
2013-07-19 12:12:09 PM  
What a load of crap.
 
2013-07-19 12:23:36 PM  
Lacombe, or Lancome? Either way, two molecules separate human waste & cosmetics.
 
2013-07-19 12:45:14 PM  

Carousel Beast: FTFA: An Ottawa waste company that dumped 500 toilets in an old quarry and 15,000 litres of oily waste water into the city's sewage treatment plant was fined $100,000 Thursday.

That provides no context. How large was the fine in relation to what it would have cost to dispose of things properly?

If it's not appropriately sized - say, 2 to 3 times the amount of the median bid - then it won't have any deterrent effect. Fark, if it's a quarter of a million to dispose of it properly and justa 100k fine for this, why bother doing it legally at all. Just create a line-item in the budget, do it and self-report afterward.


The fine is just the beginning usually. It just implicates a party then the cleanup bill follows.
 
2013-07-19 01:43:32 PM  

runescorpio: Carousel Beast: FTFA: An Ottawa waste company that dumped 500 toilets in an old quarry and 15,000 litres of oily waste water into the city's sewage treatment plant was fined $100,000 Thursday.

That provides no context. How large was the fine in relation to what it would have cost to dispose of things properly?

If it's not appropriately sized - say, 2 to 3 times the amount of the median bid - then it won't have any deterrent effect. Fark, if it's a quarter of a million to dispose of it properly and justa 100k fine for this, why bother doing it legally at all. Just create a line-item in the budget, do it and self-report afterward.

The fine is just the beginning usually. It just implicates a party then the cleanup bill follows.


Which was incredibly stupid on the disposal company's part, at least in the case of the toilets. Construction and Demolition debris is usually pretty cheap to dispose of. One Ottawa landfill I looked up has a rate of $100/ton for C&D waste.
500 toilets * 50lb each = 25000lbs/2000 = 12.5 tons. So, $12,500 for disposal
Or 11363 kg/1000 = 11.36 Tonne or $11,360 for disposal if you convert to metric. Since this is Canada, that is probably the right thing to do.

A fine of $25k seems about right--twice what it would have cost to do it right in the first place, in addition to having to retrieve a bunch of bagged up shiatters from the bottom of an old quarry and pay the $11k to dispose of them in a landfill this time.
 
2013-07-19 07:08:05 PM  
But was the fecal distribution malicious?
 
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