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(Boston.com)   Boston police sergeant who distributed the Tsarnaev-arrest photos is relieved of duty for not allowing state legislators to release the photos and take all the credit   (boston.com) divider line 187
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2013-07-19 01:17:34 PM

Skarekrough: As a Bostonian I wanted to know every goddamned armed person on that scene had their gun drawn and was ready to pull the trigger if he was wired to blow or put another person in danger....not document it for "posterity."  He's a farking cop....not Ansel Adams.  We pay him to do a job that does NOT involve taking pics.


He's not out there for pleasure or to pad his portfolio. He's there to document things. Whether it be for evidence purposes, or to ensure that no police bullshiat goes on.
 
2013-07-19 01:18:44 PM

Skarekrough: rubi_con_man: Aarontology: Maybe because that cop had a camera in his hands and not his gun

... meaning he was brave enough to be in the presence of an armed, desperate cop-killer without the ability to defend himself? Yeah, sounds like a really big pussy there...

Being "brave" is a small consolation when my taxes have to pay his medical records when he takes a bullet in the line of duty because he couldn't put down the Nikon.

As a Bostonian I wanted to know every goddamned armed person on that scene had their gun drawn and was ready to pull the trigger if he was wired to blow or put another person in danger....not document it for "posterity."  He's a farking cop....not Ansel Adams.  We pay him to do a job that does NOT involve taking pics.


His job, as assigned by the police department, is to document these events on film.  He was doing the duty assigned to him.  Stop being a knob.
 
2013-07-19 01:22:24 PM
Tommy Moo:
Not to mention the Manson photo properly portrays him as a horror villain. If RS really wanted him on the cover they could have had their graphics people do something with false color to emphasize that they weren't suggesting this kid is somehow a sexy, misunderstood philosopher who was led into too-deep waters by his big brother and our cruel, cruel, Islamophobic society.

Rolling Stone can't win with that picture. If they run the picture as is, which is what I think they did, they get flak for glamorizing Tsarnev. If they did the Manson treatment (or the Time treatment of OJ), they'll get flak for manipulating the image. If RS didn't want any controversy, they should have used an entirely different picture.
 
2013-07-19 01:24:33 PM
"The real concern is that people will see these new photos and think, 'Oh, he must be guilty,' because why else would he be surrounded by dozens of police and emerging, bleeding, from a boat," said Cavallaro, a former assistant attorney general.


...and THAT ladies and gentlemen is why everybody hates lawyers.

I think people are stupid...but they are not THAT stupid.  For a case the jury never heard about, maybe they can be swayed by a thing like that...but for THIS case?  That's a stupid statement.
 
2013-07-19 01:24:57 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Rolling Stone can't win with that picture. If they run the picture as is, which is what I think they did, they get flak for glamorizing Tsarnev. If they did the Manson treatment (or the Time treatment of OJ), they'll get flak for manipulating the image. If RS didn't want any controversy, they should have used an entirely different picture.


I have yet to see a photo of him where he didn't look good or attractive, aside from the bloodied up ones from the arrest at the boat. If they used one of those on the cover, then it would have been an outrage that such graphic violence was on the cover of a magazine.  Not much they could have done, even though it's the major story in the magazine.
 
2013-07-19 01:34:34 PM

flondrix: MithrandirBooga: I still don't understand how the Rolling Stone glamourizes

Allegedly the photo they ran has been "buffed & fluffed".  So they have literally "glamorized" him.


Looks exactly like the photo that ran on the front of the NYTimes two months ago (see upthread), just without the borders. It's not like Rolling Stone went to the jail and did a studio photo of him. I think it came off his Facebook Page. Waaaah, he's a good-looking young guy. Waaaahhh.
 
2013-07-19 01:45:31 PM
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2013-07-19 01:48:54 PM
The Rolling Stone cover, which critics say glamorized Tsarnaev, "was an insult to any person who has ever worn a uniform of any color or any police organization or military branch, and the family members who have ever lost a loved one serving in the line of duty," Murphy said.

What a giant, smoldering pile of bullshiat!
 
2013-07-19 02:16:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: This thread has been fun... You're actually right on this one.

Thanks.

You're welcome for being told you were right...

Thanks again.

Theaetetus: Glad that's over with. Now can we get back to an actual discussion?


Thanks!
 
2013-07-19 02:23:24 PM

vrax: The Rolling Stone cover, which critics say glamorized Tsarnaev, "was an insult to any person who has ever worn a uniform of any color or any police organization or military branch, and the family members who have ever lost a loved one serving in the line of duty," Murphy said.

What a giant, smoldering pile of bullshiat!


Naw, it's pretty much true.  Dehumanizing people is how they sleep at night.  The world is a lot easier to ingest when you see all criminals or enemies as inhuman monsters who can be disposed of at will.
 
2013-07-19 02:56:38 PM
Interesting that the governor said he was shot in the throat and unable to talk and the photo shows no throat wound.
 
2013-07-19 03:06:29 PM
Lotta trolls in this thread with an equal amount of bites.
 
2013-07-19 03:19:45 PM
Here is the reverse angle of the 'on the ground' photo.  Note the direct pressure being applied to the neck, on the left...which is completely in shadow in the frontal pics...

cdn.bostonmagazine.com
 
2013-07-19 03:22:22 PM

IRQ12: vrax: The Rolling Stone cover, which critics say glamorized Tsarnaev, "was an insult to any person who has ever worn a uniform of any color or any police organization or military branch, and the family members who have ever lost a loved one serving in the line of duty," Murphy said.

What a giant, smoldering pile of bullshiat!

Naw, it's pretty much true.  Dehumanizing people is how they sleep at night.  The world is a lot easier to ingest when you see all criminals or enemies as inhuman monsters who can be disposed of at will.


Well. it's true from his perspective, which is that of an idiot.
 
2013-07-19 03:32:33 PM

crow: Here is the reverse angle of the 'on the ground' photo.  Note the direct pressure being applied to the neck, on the left...which is completely in shadow in the frontal pics...

[cdn.bostonmagazine.com image 850x567]


Sadly, that will be missed by the research-averse conspiracy-types who are far more inclined to mindlessly repost the shadowed pic with some variation on "OMG CONSPIRACY!"
 
2013-07-19 03:41:38 PM

BigNumber12: crow: Here is the reverse angle of the 'on the ground' photo.  Note the direct pressure being applied to the neck, on the left...which is completely in shadow in the frontal pics...

[cdn.bostonmagazine.com image 850x567]

Sadly, that will be missed by the research-averse conspiracy-types who are far more inclined to mindlessly repost the shadowed pic with some variation on "OMG CONSPIRACY!"


Sadly, all of the "we love the authority! Everything they say must be correct or else I'll wet myself!" types will miss the fact that no one in here is claiming Tsarnev was  never injured, and the dispute is merely about  when he received his throat wound.
But that distinction may be too complex for some.
 
2013-07-19 03:43:24 PM

Deep Contact: Interesting that the governor said he was shot in the throat and unable to talk and the photo shows no throat wound.


Scratch that...  Some people apparently think there was never a throat wound.

/eyeroll
 
2013-07-19 03:46:39 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "The real concern is that people will see these new photos and think, 'Oh, he must be guilty,' because why else would he be surrounded by dozens of police and emerging, bleeding, from a boat," said Cavallaro, a former assistant attorney general.


...and THAT ladies and gentlemen is why everybody hates lawyers.

I think people are stupid...but they are not THAT stupid.  For a case the jury never heard about, maybe they can be swayed by a thing like that...but for THIS case?  That's a stupid statement.


This, but the last high-profile capital trial where the jury didn't hear any pre-trial news voted to acquit.
 
2013-07-19 03:57:06 PM
It continuously surprises me people who 'leak' things have no sense on how to leak anonymously
 
2013-07-19 04:45:46 PM

crow: Here is the reverse angle of the 'on the ground' photo.  Note the direct pressure being applied to the neck, on the left...which is completely in shadow in the frontal pics...

[cdn.bostonmagazine.com image 850x567]


I'm going to guess that, based on the fact they're bagging him,  he couldn't talk because he had a 7.5mm tube between his vocal cords.
 
2013-07-19 04:46:40 PM

Theaetetus: Sadly, all of the "we love the authority! Everything they say must be correct or else I'll wet myself!" types will miss the fact that no one in here is claiming Tsarnev was  never injured, and the dispute is merely about  when he received his throat wound.
But that distinction may be too complex for some.


You must enjoy anal play, since you keep pulling so much out of your ass.
 
2013-07-19 05:28:53 PM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: Sadly, all of the "we love the authority! Everything they say must be correct or else I'll wet myself!" types will miss the fact that no one in here is claiming Tsarnev was  never injured, and the dispute is merely about  when he received his throat wound.
But that distinction may be too complex for some.

You must enjoy anal play, since you keep pulling so much out of your ass.


I'm sorry, do you not understand the distinction between "X never happened" and "X occurred, but at a later time than we were told"? Is that too complicated for you?
 
2013-07-19 05:42:44 PM

Theaetetus: 'm sorry, do you not understand the distinction between "X never happened" and "X occurred, but at a later time than we were told"? Is that too complicated for you?


You don't seem to understand the statement "Not even the accused is claiming what you say". I don't care if you think it happened later or not. What you think and reality don't seem to reflect each other.
 
2013-07-19 07:22:37 PM
"The real concern is that people will see these [Rolling Stone] photos and think, 'Oh, he must be innocent,' because why else would he be posing for glamour shots to be published in a magazine," said Cavallaro, a former defense attorney. "We have to make sure people don't make decisions based on that because we want his acquittal to be based on a fair proceeding."
 
2013-07-19 07:37:02 PM

mbillips: Can't recall; was there any butthurt about this?


That's because it's the New York Times and it's one serious news story among other serious news stories. It wasn't on the front page of a Times entertainment section next to a blurb for what the smart set is doing in the Hamptons this summer.

skozlaw: I have no comment on the actual quality of RS's reporting, I'm just saying that the reason people are so pissy about it is because it isn't presented in the form of an opinion they agree with. God forbid he should look anything like a decent human being, because clearly the ONLY way he ever looked was like a monster.

As for the bookending with the other stories and the image manipulation, that's just how the media works these days. I'm just pointing out what I think the problem is that leads to the whining, I'm not saying Rolling Stone isn't a part of it.



When RS has a big story, they've done the single-image cover before and done it really well - I'm thinking of the John & Yoko cover from after his murder, which is about as iconic a magazine cover as there is.

The Tsarnaev cover smacks of somebody in management getting panicky that there's too much blank space on the cover and market research says they have to fill it with whatever wankage-of-the-month will fit. Sucks to be Willie Nelson and the rest of the people whose stories got plugged. Nobody's going to read those.
 
2013-07-19 08:05:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: This. The only people that partisans attack harder than their opponents are the neutral and objective folks. It's basic animal instinct; lions don't chase the antelope furthest from them, they go for the ones they think they can catch.


I don't know if that analogy works given that the proverbial antelopes in this case are the only ones in the herd with the capability of killing the lions. I'm not normally a big fan of the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" mentality, but when it comes to the media, and especially the 24/7 "news" media, I have to believe that the people who consume that crap are pretty dull-witted and easily misled and only education from the people who aren't so dim can correct them.

Gulper Eel: The Tsarnaev cover smacks of somebody in management getting panicky that there's too much blank space on the cover and market research says they have to fill it with whatever wankage-of-the-month will fit.


I dunno, I'd have to call Occam's Razor on that one. I have a harder time believing this was some concerted effort to drum up fake outrage than it was just the usual photo editing. Even if that were true, though, the outrage is still unjustified. A picture of Tsarnaev is no more than a picture of Tsarnaev even if it's been retouched. It only gets imbued with new meaning if people choose to do that so even if there is some conspiracy to drum up attention it's the people that are throwing a fit that should be the most ashamed because they're the ones handing out the rewards for the behavior.
 
2013-07-19 09:16:42 PM

skozlaw: I dunno, I'd have to call Occam's Razor on that one. I have a harder time believing this was some concerted effort to drum up fake outrage than it was just the usual photo editing. Even if that were true, though, the outrage is still unjustified. A picture of Tsarnaev is no more than a picture of Tsarnaev even if it's been retouched. It only gets imbued with new meaning if people choose to do that so even if there is some conspiracy to drum up attention it's the people that are throwing a fit that should be the most ashamed because they're the ones handing out the rewards for the behavior.


I'm putting it down to garden-variety incompetent obliviousness too, because of the half-assed justification they used - that since Tsarnaev is 19 or whatever he's the same age as lots of RS readers and it'll resonate. Which is arrant bullshiat but even if we accept their premise, then why not also put Adam Lanza on a cover right next to a plug for the new Kanye album?
 
2013-07-19 09:57:02 PM

Gulper Eel: I'm putting it down to garden-variety incompetent obliviousness too, because of the half-assed justification they used - that since Tsarnaev is 19 or whatever he's the same age as lots of RS readers and it'll resonate. Which is arrant bullshiat but even if we accept their premise, then why not also put Adam Lanza on a cover right next to a plug for the new Kanye album?


Well, because Lanza was a completely unhinged lunatic who just murdered small children for no reason. Regardless of the validity of his actions, at least you could view Tsarnaev's actions through the lens of (self) righteous revolution.

I.e, say what you like about the tenets of radical Islam, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Also, to be fair to Rolling Stone, Tsarnaev is far more palatable than Kanye West.

/ kidding
// barely
 
2013-07-19 10:07:52 PM

skozlaw: Well, because Lanza was a completely unhinged lunatic who just murdered small children for no reason.


Which you could just as well say about RS cover subject Charlie Manson, although we could take into account that in 1970 a lot of people really did think the White Album was capable of setting somebody off on a murderous rampage.
 
2013-07-19 11:14:14 PM

ur14me: "The real concern is that people will see these [Rolling Stone] photos and think, 'Oh, he must be innocent,' because why else would he be posing for glamour shots to be published in a magazine," said Cavallaro, a former defense attorney. "We have to make sure people don't make decisions based on that because we want his acquittal to be based on a fair proceeding."


Cavallaro later died because he forgot to breathe.

The more I see this level of stupidity, the more I wonder what's left for the terrorists to actually fark up!
 
2013-07-19 11:34:20 PM
Don't put killers on magazine covers. It's the kind of glorification that they want.

This is political correctness as brought to you by the type of people who claim to hate political correctness.
 
2013-07-20 12:54:47 AM

WTF Indeed: Meanwhile, at the Rolling Stone HQ....

"Our marketing plan is working perfectly! People now remember we still exist! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA"


But hate us, aren't buying our rag, and won't in the future? Genius boss.
 
2013-07-20 12:27:33 PM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: 'm sorry, do you not understand the distinction between "X never happened" and "X occurred, but at a later time than we were told"? Is that too complicated for you?

You don't seem to understand the statement "Not even the accused is claiming what you say". I don't care if you think it happened later or not. What you think and reality don't seem to reflect each other.


I'm amused that you think we've heard absolutely everything he has to say. I bet you also believe Fox News to be a bastion of truth and journalistic excellence. Or MSNBC, for that matter.
 
2013-07-20 12:57:17 PM

Theaetetus: I bet you also believe Fox News to be a bastion of truth and journalistic excellence. Or MSNBC, for that matter.


Theaetetus. Bravely fighting against the strawman windmills he believes in his head.
 
2013-07-20 01:03:15 PM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: I bet you also believe Fox News to be a bastion of truth and journalistic excellence. Or MSNBC, for that matter.

Theaetetus. Bravely fighting against the strawman windmills he believes in his head.


Hardin, the paramedic who will disbelieve the evidence of his own eyes, if someone in a suit hasn't told him what he's seeing.
 
2013-07-20 01:17:20 PM

Theaetetus: Hardin, the paramedic who will disbelieve the evidence of his own eyes, if someone in a suit hasn't told him what he's seeing.


None of the evidence supports your claim. You've repeatedly been asked to even link just one statement which makes it not a creation of your own mind/asshole.

You've repeatedly refused to do so. In fact, you've been resorting to the exact personal insults that you accused others of. Yo- wait, no. I'll let your own words do the talking for me.

Theaetetus: I can't respond to any of your points, and acknowledge that my picture doesn't show what I claimed it did, so I'm going to just insult you personally and hope no one notices.

It's pretty apt.
 
2013-07-20 06:48:45 PM
Blue cuff- King airway.Also pretty sure I saw an image of him in the ambulance with a a nonrebreather on. No reason to knock him down with RSi on this one. Hours old injury, ambulatory, and tactical medics tend to be piss poor on conscious patients. Tac medicine is designed for unconscious shock patients where theu can drill and king and hand off to transport crews.
 
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