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(Boston.com)   Boston police sergeant who distributed the Tsarnaev-arrest photos is relieved of duty for not allowing state legislators to release the photos and take all the credit   (boston.com) divider line 187
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2013-07-19 11:11:44 AM

WTF Indeed: Theaetetus: [Citation needed]. The only ones I've seen are after he was in custody, which doesn't contradict what I hypothesized above.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/gallery/tsarnaev-arrest/index.html? hp t=hp_t1


And actually, this shot shows them applying pressure to... maybe a wound or something like it... on his neck. Hmmm...
 
2013-07-19 11:11:48 AM
This police officer had no right to release these photos. He took it upon himself because he felt Rolling Stone was 'wrong'. Now we have a police officer with feelings. Shame on him.

He took the law into his own hands and will now cause more violence on streets because of his 'feelings'. He should be fired immediately for trying to think for himself.
 
2013-07-19 11:11:56 AM

Theaetetus: Of course, if so, then he would've had a gun on the boat.


What about all the blood in the boat?
 
2013-07-19 11:13:07 AM
So why is it ok for Boston Magazine to use his image to sell copies and clicks?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-boston-ma ga zine-unseen-photos-capture_n_3622982.html

This is just another type of glamorization.
 
2013-07-19 11:13:31 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: WTF Indeed: Theaetetus: [Citation needed]. The only ones I've seen are after he was in custody, which doesn't contradict what I hypothesized above.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/gallery/tsarnaev-arrest/index.html? hp t=hp_t1

And actually, this shot shows them applying pressure to... maybe a wound or something like it... on his neck. Hmmm...


Yes, after he was in custody, they're applying pressure to a wound on his neck. What happened before he was in custody? Hmmm?
 
2013-07-19 11:14:15 AM

Skarekrough:
As a Bostonian I wanted to know every goddamned armed person on that scene had their gun drawn and was ready to pull the trigger if he was wired to blow or put another person in danger....not document it for "posterity."  He's a farking cop....not Ansel Adams.  We pay him to do a job that does NOT involve taking pics.


I'm pretty sure they shoot for "trial" and not "posterity." I can can tell by having provided a lot of crime scene photos in my time.
 
2013-07-19 11:14:53 AM

Theaetetus: Yes, after he was in custody, they're applying pressure to a wound on his neck. What happened before he was in custody? Hmmm?


Man, they'll give law degrees out to anyone these days, won't they?
 
2013-07-19 11:15:53 AM

Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: [Citation needed]. The only ones I've seen are after he was in custody, which doesn't contradict what I hypothesized above.

Yes. He was shot after the police arrested him. That's why no one but random people on the internet have been saying that. Not his lawyer. Not him. Not anything.

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

See that green thing [being applied after the police arrested him]? That's an israeli trauma bandage. It's used for gunshot injuries. It's also being applied [after the police arrested him] to the side of his neck obscured by the shadow and shirt in your picture.

Again, maybe you're confused. I'm  not saying he had no throat injury. I'm suggesting that maybe it didn't occur as early as the police claim, and that appears to be supported by the pictures. The fact that he later had a throat injury doesn't in any way contradict what I'm saying.


Is this close enough to proof for you? You know, if you spend all of your time complaining about what you don't see instead of taking five seconds to click through a very short slideshow, don't be surprised when you constantly get your ass handed to you for continually not understanding.

/click to the very very last image in that slideshow
//and then please share with the class what you see there
 
2013-07-19 11:17:31 AM
I thought he was Muslim? I think he might actually be Hindu with the red dot on his forehead in every picture.
 
2013-07-19 11:18:56 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Theaetetus: Of course, if so, then he would've had a gun on the boat.

What about all the blood in the boat?


pixel.nymag.com 
They shot up the boat, and he was hit elsewhere. Hence the blood on his hands and forehead in that second picture, and the medical reports of multiple gunshot injuries.

I'm not saying he was uninjured. I'm saying that his  throat doesn't appear to have a gunshot wound prior to when he was in custody, and then he clearly has one after he's been in custody a while. Therefore, it's likely something happened between those two times that resulted in the injury.
 
2013-07-19 11:21:18 AM

Theaetetus: I'm not saying he was uninjured. I'm saying that his  throat doesn't appear to have a gunshot wound prior to when he was in custody, and then he clearly has one after he's been in custody a while. Therefore, it's likely something happened between those two times that resulted in the injury.


Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're saying he wasn't shot in the throat until he was in custody as in laying on that lawn handcuffed? So they just decided to not shoot him in the face, but to wound him in the neck and then give him first aid while taking pictures of the whole thing?
 
2013-07-19 11:21:31 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: [Citation needed]. The only ones I've seen are after he was in custody, which doesn't contradict what I hypothesized above.

Yes. He was shot after the police arrested him. That's why no one but random people on the internet have been saying that. Not his lawyer. Not him. Not anything.

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

See that green thing [being applied after the police arrested him]? That's an israeli trauma bandage. It's used for gunshot injuries. It's also being applied [after the police arrested him] to the side of his neck obscured by the shadow and shirt in your picture.

Again, maybe you're confused. I'm  not saying he had no throat injury. I'm suggesting that maybe it didn't occur as early as the police claim, and that appears to be supported by the pictures. The fact that he later had a throat injury doesn't in any way contradict what I'm saying.

Is this close enough to proof for you? You know, if you spend all of your time complaining about what you don't see instead of taking five seconds to click through a very short slideshow, don't be surprised when you constantly get your ass handed to you for continually not understanding.

/click to the very very last image in that slideshow
//and then please share with the class what you see there


I see medics treating him after he was in custody. The caption supports this:
Police tend to Tsarnaev after his detainment.

Now, would you please tell the class how that photo or caption shows that, at a period  prior to his detainment, he was injured?
 
2013-07-19 11:24:09 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Theaetetus: I'm not saying he was uninjured. I'm saying that his  throat doesn't appear to have a gunshot wound prior to when he was in custody, and then he clearly has one after he's been in custody a while. Therefore, it's likely something happened between those two times that resulted in the injury.

Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You're saying he wasn't shot in the throat until he was in custody as in laying on that lawn handcuffed?

while he was on the boat, either in a suicide attempt as they claimed, or while they were shooting up the boat.

So they just decided to not shoot him in the face, but to wound him in the neck and then give him first aid while taking pictures of the whole thing?

As I said earlier in a post you replied to, someone may have been twitchy. At which point, yes, they would give him first aid and take pictures, and make up a cover story about a suicide attempt  with a disappearing gun.
 
2013-07-19 11:24:33 AM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: I don't see a gash on his neck there, do you?

I can't respond to any of your points, and acknowledge that my picture doesn't show what I claimed it did, so I'm going to just insult you personally and hope no one notices.

I just responded to your points. Other FARKers have posted pictures which directly contradict what you claim.




"If personally insulting you" is calling your argument ludacris and asking you to back up your claim by even one statement from Tsaronev himself is impossible, then yes. I am insulting you, cupcake.


The word is ludicrous and his name is Chris Bridges, serious actor now (like Dwayne Johnson)
 
2013-07-19 11:25:36 AM

Theaetetus: As I said earlier in a post you replied to, someone may have been twitchy. At which point, yes, they would give him first aid and take pictures, and make up a cover story about a suicide attempt  with a disappearing gun.


Then my question is, who the f*ck cares?
 
2013-07-19 11:26:17 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Theaetetus: As I said earlier in a post you replied to, someone may have been twitchy. At which point, yes, they would give him first aid and take pictures, and make up a cover story about a suicide attempt  with a disappearing gun.

Then my question is, who the f*ck cares?


Apparently, a lot of people, considering how angrily people are calling me names for suggesting this is a possibility.
 
2013-07-19 11:30:42 AM

Theaetetus: Tat'dGreaser: Theaetetus: As I said earlier in a post you replied to, someone may have been twitchy. At which point, yes, they would give him first aid and take pictures, and make up a cover story about a suicide attempt  with a disappearing gun.

Then my question is, who the f*ck cares?

Apparently, a lot of people, considering how angrily people are calling me names for suggesting this is a possibility.


Possible? Yes. Retarded? Also, yes.
 
2013-07-19 11:32:10 AM
Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?
 
2013-07-19 11:33:41 AM

BigNumber12: Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?


Possible body armor on an otherwise slow moving target?
 
2013-07-19 11:36:57 AM

BigNumber12: Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?


Because they know someone else in the group is aiming center-mass
 
2013-07-19 11:37:23 AM
"If personally insulting you" is calling your argument ludacris and asking you to back up your claim by even one statement from Tsaronev himself is impossible, then yes. I am insulting you, cupcake.

I believe the word you are looking for is Ludicrous.

This is Ludacris:
images.starpulse.com
 
2013-07-19 11:39:18 AM

BigNumber12: Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?


Just a supposition - at that point, he hadn't lifted up his shirt to show that he wasn't wearing an explosive vest, and you may not want to shoot a mass of explosives.
 
2013-07-19 11:39:39 AM

Theaetetus: most people who get shot in the throat bleed a bit from the throat?

Either he's a vampire, or they shot him after he was in custody.


I was wondering the same thing. He does not appear to have been shot in the throat.  Also, in the court drawings (since they haven't provided any photos of him since he was taken into custody, there was only mention of a bandage on his arm).

I'm usually not like this, but something about this story absolutely reeks.  And I suspect the lack of the throat wound in these photos may be why it's a big deal that they were released.
 
2013-07-19 11:40:50 AM
Tat'dGreaser:

, or they shot him after he was in custody.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-19 11:44:52 AM

Gulper Eel: If this had been what RS did with Tsarnaev there would've been no ethical problem, but instead they gave Tsarnaev the Tiger Beat treatment. They did tart up the photo a bit, like he's Taylor Swift or something, under the guise of improving its resolution, and then ran the sidebar trying to plug all the other stuff in their magazine. The cover treatment makes the Tsarnaev piece into just another entertainment story.


If they ran that Manson cover today, people would argue the yellow in the image looks too much  like a halo or something. People desperately want to be offended, and they will find a way, no matter what.
 
2013-07-19 11:48:42 AM

Tat'dGreaser: BigNumber12: Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?

Because they know someone else in the group is aiming center-mass


Oh - the guys on the ground with pistols. Got it.
 
2013-07-19 11:50:16 AM

SuburbanCowboy: This is Ludacris:


I'll never forgive Ludacris for what he's done to the English language.

/or his performance in F&F
 
2013-07-19 11:56:46 AM

Gulper Eel: If this had been what RS did with Tsarnaev there would've been no ethical problem, but instead they gave Tsarnaev the Tiger Beat treatment. They did tart up the photo a bit, like he's Taylor Swift or something, under the guise of improving its resolution, and then ran the sidebar trying to plug all the other stuff in their magazine. The cover treatment makes the Tsarnaev piece into just another entertainment story.


Exactly. I rate this new, horrific, anti-American, terrorist appeasing scandal at no less than SIX Benghazis. I
 
2013-07-19 12:02:15 PM

BigNumber12: Oh - the guys on the ground with pistols. Got it.


Those laser dots aren't from snipers though
 
2013-07-19 12:02:52 PM
Come to think of it, those lasers could be from tasers
 
2013-07-19 12:10:09 PM
This thread has been fun.

Theaetetus: BigNumber12: Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?

Just a supposition - at that point, he hadn't lifted up his shirt to show that he wasn't wearing an explosive vest, and you may not want to shoot a mass of explosives.


You're actually right on this one. Plus a shot to the head, ostensibly to the temple angled downwards at a 45 degree angle or forehead angled at 60 degrees, would sever the brain stem and result in instant loss of muscle tone.
 
2013-07-19 12:12:41 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Come to think of it, those lasers could be from tasers


I always keep my taser lasers in the glove box of my blazer, next to my razor.
 
2013-07-19 12:16:18 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Come to think of it, those lasers could be from tasers


This is the worst Dr. Seuss story ever.
 
2013-07-19 12:17:40 PM

hardinparamedic: This thread has been fun... You're actually right on this one.


Thanks.
 
2013-07-19 12:19:23 PM
Not signed up yet? Not to worry - it's still FREE!
IIRC, Fark has a policy of not linking to articles that do that.  That policy has been in place for several years.  So why is it still not being enforced?
 
2013-07-19 12:22:58 PM
A shark with a friggin laser beam on his head!
 
2013-07-19 12:27:20 PM

Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: This thread has been fun... You're actually right on this one.

Thanks.


i.imgur.com
You're welcome for being told you were right on one thing that wasn't related at all to the conspiracy theory you posted earlier in the thread.
 
2013-07-19 12:32:41 PM

hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: This thread has been fun... You're actually right on this one.

Thanks.

You're welcome for being told you were right...


Thanks again.
 
2013-07-19 12:34:06 PM

Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: Theaetetus: hardinparamedic: This thread has been fun... You're actually right on this one.

Thanks.

You're welcome for being told you were right...

Thanks again.


Theaetetus: Glad that's over with. Now can we get back to an actual discussion?

 
2013-07-19 12:37:32 PM

Theaetetus: Either he's a vampire, or they shot him after he was in custody.


Your lawyering skills are slipping.   The photo you are utilizing doesn't clearly show one side of his throat.  I can just as easily assume he has an injury or doesn't because one side of his neck is obscured by the shadows in this picture.

Add to that, he is definitely pretty well covered in blood.  Where are his other injuries that created all that blood?

I feel like you're just trying to have an argument because its too hot in the NE and you're bored at work.
 
2013-07-19 12:38:30 PM

SmellsLikePoo: I feel like you're just trying to have an argument because its too hot in the NE and you're bored at work.


th00.deviantart.net
 
2013-07-19 12:45:18 PM

KierzanDax: HideAndGoFarkYourself: nekom: Publikwerks: I love how ever single photo of the bomber, you can clearly make out the laser dot on his head.

And that's just the snipers.  Had he reached for something, I have no doubt he'd have well over 100 bullets in him.

Doubt very strongly that it was snipers with lasers. The entire point of being a sniper is not to be seen, a great way to tell the bad guy he's about to have a bad time would be to put a laser on him.

Police / SWAT have sharpshooters, not snipers. Either way, they'll turn your head into a canoe ("Tombstone").


Except that 95% of the policies for those SWAT team "sharpshooters" come from the American SNIPER Association, which provides expert testimony and training to those "sharpshooters."

Nevermind the National Tactical Officers Association puts on Basic and Advance SNIPER courses.

The International Tactical Officers Training Association puts on many SNIPER courses.

/SWAT officer here.
//Not a sniper, or a sharpshooter
 
2013-07-19 12:49:00 PM

BigNumber12: Alright, Fark snipers:

Why aim for the head - particularly when it's (presumably) multiple snipers? That seems a bit theatrical. Why is nobody going for center-mass?


Because separating the brain from the brain stem is the only 100% guaranteed kill shot.  Furthermore, there was, if you recall, concern that the two bombers had suicide vests, in which case, you don't want to shoot center mass.  It's also why they had him lift his shirt up, to ensure there was no vest, or weapon tucked into his waistband.

I'll point out again, that snipers do not use lasers.  Lasers (visible ones) are used for CQB, for quick target acquisition without the need to look through an optic.  Those lasers on him are not from snipers, they're from tactical operators.
 
2013-07-19 12:51:58 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Come to think of it, those lasers could be from tasers


No way, the effective range for a taser is 25 feet.  The arrest team was well outside that distance, and approaching behind a shield.  If they were going to deploy a less lethal option on this guy, it would have been in the form of a 40mm launcher, or a bean bag round.
 
2013-07-19 12:53:31 PM

FARK rebel soldier: So that's what it takes to get a cop fired.


Yup. Be the cop showing his hand.
 
2013-07-19 12:57:10 PM
Wanna see my picture on the cover
Wanna buy five copies for my mother
Wanna see my smilin' face
On the cover of the Rollin' Stone
 
2013-07-19 01:06:21 PM

gaslight: I love the manufactured outrage. Rolling Stone took the best photo they could find and ran with it. Do you think they sat around saying "Hmmm, no, no. We need to have a worse photo that's more smudged so it looks like it was taken by a three-year-old using an old phone."

His outrage that anyone who has ever been in a uniform should be offended by the Rolling Stone cover is weird. I think this is pretend outrage over a non-issue.


www.troll.me
 
2013-07-19 01:08:10 PM
So Tiger Beat has a cover shot of him looking "dreamy".

I wonder what RT has to say... never mind.
 
2013-07-19 01:13:37 PM

MithrandirBooga: I still don't understand how the Rolling Stone glamourizes


Allegedly the photo they ran has been "buffed & fluffed".  So they have literally "glamorized" him.
 
2013-07-19 01:14:48 PM

Betep: So Tiger Beat has a cover shot of him looking "dreamy".

I wonder what RT has to say... never mind.


The guy happens to be extremely good looking.  It turns out that good looking people can also be accused of crimes, even horrendous ones. They can even actually commit horrendous crimes.  They don't all look like deranged and terrifying old men or what have you.   The juxtaposition may well be why they went that way with the photo.
 
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