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(BBC)   Mr. Lady arrested in Panama in an obvious case of discrimination against transvestites   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 22
    More: Interesting, CIA, Milan, Panama, Mr. Lady, Italian Court, clerics  
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985 clicks; posted to Politics » on 19 Jul 2013 at 6:31 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-07-18 02:16:31 PM
Okay, that was confusing.
 
2013-07-18 02:42:17 PM
Huh.  I'd say this does actually qualify as a news flash, pretty interesting story.  I wonder what we're going to do about it - we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.
 
2013-07-18 03:20:48 PM

TuteTibiImperes: we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


You do realise that an American passport isn't a magic piece of paper that means you get to ignore the laws of the country you're in, right?
 
2013-07-19 06:35:13 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Huh.  I'd say this does actually qualify as a news flash, pretty interesting story.  I wonder what we're going to do about it - we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


They kidnapped someone off the streets of Italy, and took them out of the country to be tortured.

That's not doing their jobs.

Rachel Maddow covered this last night.  It's unclear what happens next.
 
2013-07-19 06:44:45 AM
As I understand it, the Italian police were already watching the guy, and had an officer present, when a bunch of strangers hopped out of cars, grabbed him, stuffed him into one of their cars, and drove off, in broad daylight.  They had to check the phone records to figure out who might have done it.  By the time they had evidence, the guy wasn't a US ambassador anymore, and Italian judges ruled that diplomatic immunity was expired.
 
2013-07-19 07:31:31 AM
Lethal Weapon 2 joke can go here, if you wish.
 
2013-07-19 07:39:28 AM

Alphax: They kidnapped someone off the streets of Italy, and took them out of the country to be tortured.

That's not doing their jobs.


TuteTibiImperes: we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


Even if they were just doing "their job", a good portion of "their job" is illegal in the country they're in. On a day-to-day basis, it's just a matter of not getting identified, not getting caught, and maintaining deniability. Countries refrain from constantly picking up each other's spies because it's usually not worth the diplomatic fallout and/or the tit-fot-tat. Also, because many spies are posted as consular/diplomatic officials with some form of immunity, picking them up would at most result in them being sent home. That's before we even get into the mess that is extraordinary rendition.

If their work wasn't illegal, we wouldn't have a CIA at all. We'd just get diplomats to do the dirty work, which was part of the way spying was done before.

I'm curious how these guys didn't have some form of immunity. Were they under non-official cover (not posted as a diplomat) or was there some sort of "official acts" form of immunity involved? Need to find this case when... I... have... time...
 
2013-07-19 07:42:06 AM
I'm not sure why this dude felt leaving the US was a good idea...
 
2013-07-19 07:42:44 AM
Good. Every single person associated with Bush's torture regime should be absolutely terrified to leave our borders.
 
2013-07-19 08:25:33 AM

TuteTibiImperes: we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


It's about time we took back the canal, anyway.
 
2013-07-19 08:32:21 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Huh.  I'd say this does actually qualify as a news flash, pretty interesting story.  I wonder what we're going to do about it - we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


The "I was just following orders" defense does have a very illustrious history.
 
2013-07-19 08:34:23 AM

Zeno-25: TuteTibiImperes: we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.

It's about time we took back the canal, anyway.


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2013-07-19 08:49:55 AM

He_Hate_Me: I'm not sure why this dude felt leaving the US was a good idea...


That's what I don't understand; if you knew there was an international arrest warrant out for you, WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE THE UNITED STATES?

And why is someone that stupid working for the CIA?  Best and brightest my ass.
 
2013-07-19 09:26:21 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Huh.  I'd say this does actually qualify as a news flash, pretty interesting story.  I wonder what we're going to do about it - we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


Lots of Nazis were also just doing their job.
 
2013-07-19 10:16:18 AM

TuteTibiImperes: we can't just sit idly while the Italians use the Panamanians to arrest CIA operatives who were just doing their jobs.


Ah, the Eichmann defense. He was a senior leader in the CIA who helped kidnap an innocent person in a foreign country where he had no jurisdiction or authorization, and then rendered the person to a secret prison to be tortured. America can't just do whatever the hell it wants and expect everyone else to roll over. If someone pulled that shiat on the US, we'd turn their country into a pile of rubble.
 
2013-07-19 10:18:48 AM
I'd also say, he had the opportunity to defend himself in court, declined to do so, was convicted, and his case was upheld through the appeals process. That's a hell of a lot more than America gives to War on Terror (tm) suspects.
 
2013-07-19 10:56:56 AM
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Wanted for questioning...
 
2013-07-19 11:14:09 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I'd also say, he had the opportunity to defend himself in court, declined to do so, was convicted, and his case was upheld through the appeals process. That's a hell of a lot more than America gives to War on Terror (tm) suspects.


And, more importantly?  He could/should have JUST STAYED IN THE US.  That's the aspect of this story that I can't understand.  He KNEW there was a warrant out for him.  What was so damn important he had to leave the US?  The US is a large place, there's plenty to do here.  While I do enjoy traveling outside the US there's little chance of me doing so if I had a warrant for my arrest.
 
2013-07-19 11:52:52 AM
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2013-07-19 12:43:07 PM
http://rt.com/usa/lady-cia-chief-milan-325/And on his way home already, dammit
 
2013-07-19 01:31:21 PM
Few people wanted to talk about this one today.
 
2013-07-19 01:37:32 PM
Meanwhile G.W. Bush still cowers in U.S protected isolation, while waiting for the day that some shrubbery he is cutting down suddenly attacks and kills him for jr's crimes against humanity. CAPTAIN PLANET!!!

/Mubarak(30 year Egypt dictator) laughs at weak CIA agent actually getting caught and convicted within a few years of torturing people.
 
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