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2013-07-18 03:38:46 PM
archbishop: I hate when "journalists"  they do this.  How the hell am I supposed to compare the percent of UK houses to the number of US houses.  This juxtaposition is utterly meaningless without more context.

You use this thing called the "Internet". You might have heard of it.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0982.pdf

As of 2010, there were 130,599,000 homes in the USA. Assuming TFA is correct about nearly 100 million homes including A/C (I can't be bothered to check their figures), that's about 77% of US homes being airconditioned.

dittybopper: On the other hand, a couple of window fans (one facing in, one facing out in different rooms) can provide the draft necessary to keep a flat reasonably cool.  In fact, you'd want to do that at night, to get the cool air in, and then button up the flat and close the curtains/shades/blinds during the day to keep it cooler.

You know how I know you've never been in a British house? My parents have a fairly modern, expensive, two-story (plus attic) home in the UK, within an hour of London. Even with every single window in the house open and fans running full-tilt, the insulation that makes that home economical for most of the year works against it to make it almost uninhabitable in these rare heatwaves. (I know, I went through one myself about 15 years ago, and it was so damned uncomfortable indoors that you were better off sitting outside.)

Mikey1969: And "well insulated" doesn't mean that your "flat" will be hotter, otherwise, they wouldn't even bother with insulation in homes in Phoenix. It keeps the cold in, also.

American "well insulated" =/= UK "well insulated".

Also, keeps what cold in, precisely? Did you miss how most UK homes have no A/C, because for the overwhelming majority of the time, most UK homes *need* no A/C?

Valiente: British water heaters tend to work on demand and can be as small as toaster ovens.

What is this I don't even.

Every British house I've ever been in has had a large water heater, and not run it on demand -- because you pay less for the power at night. You have a water heater big enough to get you through the day, perhaps with a separate smaller tank that runs on demand to supplement the stored water if it's getting cool.

/87F here today, wouldn't swap that for 80F in the UK, even if you paid me a hundred bucks for the day.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:18 PM

Oldiron_79: redmid17: give me doughnuts: A couple I know took a trip to Wales a few years a go. They reserched the typical sort of weather for Wales in July, and packed accordingly. It was 2006, and right at the beginning of the worst heatwave in a century in three years. Roads were closed because the blacktop softened too much to drive on. Trains were cancelled because the rails were buckling.

But they did get to watch some filming of the Doctor Who Christmas Special.

Summer of 2003 saw London hit 100 F for the first time in recorded history. I was in Germany for the 2003 heat wave. I thought it highly amusing seeing people wear jeans in 95+ degree weather. Didn't see too many Germans under the age of 25-30 wearing shorts, and plenty of Germans my age stuck to wearing pants.

Well once its over 98.6 F you are better off wearing long pants and long sleeves.


Not if you're moving. I was the only one who wasn't sweating like a stuck pig.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:40 PM

dittybopper: Also, the human body can put up with a very high temperatures so long as it stays hydrated properly.


Only if the humidity is sufficiently low.

100+ temps combined with humidities at or above 95% is basically like the zero limit in altitude -- you won't die immediately, but you are dying. At temps above body temperature, high humidity means that sweating stops working -- the air is just as saturated as water you're extruding, so no cooling evaporation is occurring. All that's left is the block body radiation coming off your lungs, which is basically enough to keep up with basal metabolism and the heat you're absorbing from conduction and radiation from your surroundings. before long, your rising temps will overcome you're ability to keep that heat away from the brain. Once that happens, you die.

We're mainly a plains animal -- we do well in dry heat, and can maintain body temps under great exertion, but we're terrible at wet heat thermal control. Ironically, while dog's can't sweat, they do much better with hot+wet because panting works great in that situation.
 
2013-07-18 03:40:36 PM
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2013-07-18 03:40:48 PM
Great. Another thread full of Septics bragging about how they can comfortably fry eggs on their scrotum without breaking sweat.
 
2013-07-18 03:40:55 PM
I have central air.  I have a generator that will power most of my required house items (fridge, lights, TV) but not the dryer OR the central air.  I have a brand new window unit still in the box, in the basement.  I will NOT spend days and days w/o AC - yep, probably makes me a total wuss but two things are certain:

1) My wife will not be partaking in any kind of "physical fun" activities if she is even a teensy bit too warm.

2) I can not sleep worth a damn anymore if it's not below 70 degree F in the room.

I considered it a $200 insurance policy against a few days of suckage - and I'm OK with that.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:38 PM

archbishop: FTA:

just 0.5% of houses and flats in the UK had any kind of air con...the US, where nearly 100 million homes have it
I hate when "journalists"  they do this.  How the hell am I supposed to compare the percent of UK houses to the number of US houses.  This juxtaposition is utterly meaningless without more context.


87% of US households, as of 2009.  That is a honking big difference.

Right now, it's 97F outside with a heat index of 101F. It was 86F at 5:30 this morning when I first woke up. I <3 my air conditioner.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:44 PM

Cavemankiwi: Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers

Hybrid vigour for the win!


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 Isn't Halle Berry 1/4 English?


Thought she was half-Swedish, half whatever constitutes "American Black", which is at best, variable.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:57 PM

dittybopper: On the other hand, a couple of window fans (one facing in, one facing out in different rooms) can provide the draft necessary to keep a flat reasonably cool.  In fact, you'd want to do that at night, to get the cool air in, and then button up the flat and close the curtains/shades/blinds during the day to keep it cooler.


They actually address that in the article. The heavy insulation typically found in the flats make it very difficult for the heat built up to escape, and the one room orientation makes it difficult to get a proper and effective draft established.
 
2013-07-18 03:47:17 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Air Con was a pretty sweet Nic Cage Cage Nic movie.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 03:48:03 PM

TheOmni: dittybopper: On the other hand, a couple of window fans (one facing in, one facing out in different rooms) can provide the draft necessary to keep a flat reasonably cool.  In fact, you'd want to do that at night, to get the cool air in, and then button up the flat and close the curtains/shades/blinds during the day to keep it cooler.

They actually address that in the article. The heavy insulation typically found in the flats make it very difficult for the heat built up to escape, and the one room orientation makes it difficult to get a proper and effective draft established.


You can get plenty of airflow with one room.

You do however need windows on more than one wall.
 
2013-07-18 03:48:13 PM

Russ1642: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

Whenever we have foreign visitors in the office (in Edmonton) I'm always disappointed that it isn't -25 C or below. I want them to experience the coldest we have to offer. I don't want them leaving and saying back home "I don't see what all the fuss is about"


At a previous employer we had a bunch of guys coming up from the southern states to Ontario and the repeated question leading up to it was how cold was it going to be in Canada.  It was April or something stupid.  Anyway, we decked out the office reception with snowshoes, snow-shovels, toques, parkas and mitts.

"What are those for?"
"Those are the loaners, in case you come to work without checking the weather and get caught in a snowstorm."
"In April?"
"Wouldn't be the first time."

One guy spent the whole visit wondering if he was going to be snowed in for his return flight.
 
2013-07-18 03:48:28 PM
101F in North Jersey today...it's not the temp that sucks, it's the humidity. I Think I burned the bottom of my feet on the pavement when I went out to my car before....
 
2013-07-18 03:48:35 PM
At least the majority of the U.S. has air conditioning.

I refused to join in on that mockery.  Maybe 2 percent of that reason is that I have 5 friends from England showing up to DragonCon and I will not miss it just because the 6 foot 5 member of the group can pick me up and use me like nunchucks.
 
2013-07-18 03:48:57 PM

Valiente: Cavemankiwi: Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers

Hybrid vigour for the win!


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[www.vibe.com image 718x988]

 Isn't Halle Berry 1/4 English?

Thought she was half-Swedish, half whatever constitutes "American Black", which is at best, variable.


Who cares?  She's hot
 
2013-07-18 03:49:03 PM

orclover: Just checked outside and it is 90f degrees, which is uncommonly cool for this time of year in the afternoon.  When are ya frickin limeys gonna learn to put ice in yer tea?

/posted while sitting in front of my 30 year old box fan.


Not to mention the lovely rain in Austin yesterday. w00t!!!
 
2013-07-18 03:49:20 PM

gweilo8888: Also, keeps what cold in, precisely? Did you miss how most UK homes have no A/C, because for the overwhelming majority of the time, most UK homes *need* no A/C?


My point was that just because there's insulation, it doesn't heat the place up. By saying that it keeps the cold in, I was implying that when there is A/C, it's what keeps the cold inside. I should have explained that better. Having less insulation isn't suddenly going to make your house cooler in a (chuckle) "heat wave". Sorry, I only chuckle because for the entire 22 years I lived in Arizona, we were past 88.5 degrees by the beginning of March until somewhere around the end of November. Our railroad tracks, roads, sidewalks, and most importantly, people seemed to do OK.
 
2013-07-18 03:50:21 PM

thisiszombocom: London has the same latitude as calgary, and similar to Saskatoon . Seems like it should be colder there


the gulf stream, how does it work?

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2013-07-18 03:50:43 PM

Mikey1969: ZAZ: 4. Roads don't handle heat well either

A summer or two ago there was a story about Midwest concrete slabs buckling. One created a ramp and launched a bike.

Sounds like an engineering issue to me. Roads and sidewalks work just fine in such frosty cities as Phoenix and Las Vegas.


Because roads in Arizona are designed for Arizona weather. You install those roads in Wisconsin and they will have serious issues.

It isn't bad engineering, it is them being subjected to conditions they were not engineered to withstand.
 
2013-07-18 03:51:27 PM
Waaaaaaah!

We have the exact same problems here in NYC and have been handling 100 degrees (110 with humidity) all week just fine. Although admittedly I'm one of those weird people that prefers this weather to anything under 25 degrees.
 
2013-07-18 03:53:56 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: They can't figure out where to shove in 'u' into 'air conditioning'.


I'm not going to lie. I lol'd
 
2013-07-18 03:56:11 PM
In Maryland, BGE is our energy supplier. Yesterday and today are "Energy Action Days" (I think that is what it is called) and if you use less energy than "normal" you get a credit. You can also have a thing put on your A/C unit that when demand is high they will cycle your A/C at different percentages (25, 50 75 and 100%) that you choose will give you rebates on your bill. It's not a big deal, you don't lose your A/C completely, but hell, if the electric company is willing to give me money for maybe a few hours of less A/C I'm all over it. The house stays cool when this happens, not as cold, but it is certainly bearable. Keep the ceiling fans going all day, keep the curtains closed and don't turn on the oven and stove and it's all good. Use the outdoor BBQ or just have a nice cool salad instead.
 
2013-07-18 04:01:21 PM

bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.


I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.
 
2013-07-18 04:01:30 PM
I remember watching a BBC series where a middle class family had to live one month traveling through time from the year 1970-2000, I was shocked at the different standards of living between the UK and the US over those time periods.  The 70s were really enlightening.
 
2013-07-18 04:03:11 PM
Its like 91 with a heat index of 100 here
 
2013-07-18 04:04:13 PM

dywed88: thisiszombocom: London has the same latitude as calgary, and similar to Saskatoon . Seems like it should be colder there

Latitude is just one of a multitude of factors affecting climate.

Look at Vancouver, it is significantly further north and far warmer than Toronto. Or look at anywhere East of the Rockies, it gets cold well south of the border.


London is well north of Vancouver.

As an example, Juneau, AK and Glasgow are at about the same latitude, and both are near coastal waters. Glasgow's about 7 degrees warmer on average, and has a 30-deg more narrow temperature range.
 
2013-07-18 04:04:57 PM

potterydove: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.


Heck here in Garrett County, Maryland, we topped 20 feet in the winter of 2010-11 and regularly go over 10 feet. I'd love less than 2 meters in a winter--might be able to fire the snowplow driver who does my driveway and just use a damned shovel.

/Used to think Maryland didn't get serious snow
//Now knows that's just the downstaters.
 
2013-07-18 04:05:51 PM
pfft! try a 100 degree Texas summer.

/then again I can't handle the north's winters
 
2013-07-18 04:08:42 PM

The look well prepared to me.



www.soccermusic.net
 
2013-07-18 04:09:52 PM

new_york_monty: potterydove: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.

Heck here in Garrett County, Maryland, we topped 20 feet in the winter of 2010-11 and regularly go over 10 feet. I'd love less than 2 meters in a winter--might be able to fire the snowplow driver who does my driveway and just use a damned shovel.

/Used to think Maryland didn't get serious snow
//Now knows that's just the downstate


snerk.... we get snow, it's either we get a truckload where the Gov shuts down the major roadways or we get enough to just make a freakin' sloppy mess OR we get the snow storm, then an ice storm, then more snow. I live on a cul-de-sac and we are the red headed step-children of Anne Arundel County and never get plowed out. If it's big time snow, they plow the secondary road and block us with a huge snow bank and there is no other exit available.
 
2013-07-18 04:10:47 PM

Cosmic_Music: mmagdalene: Real reason: The British are so white you can see their veins and organs through their skin.

Are we now?

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 506x678]

Thinks not.


For the most part, yes.

The UK is 91% white, and only 2% black.

It's less diverse than  Utah, for fark's sake.
 
2013-07-18 04:14:03 PM

TheOmni: It's like when we make fun of the southern states for being pretty much completely shut down whenever they get about an inch of snow. There are a variety of reasons why their infrastructure isn't set up to handle snow, and a population with a lack of personal experience handling it also complicates matters.

None of this makes it not hilarious or mockable though.


too true.

Another example is when northern states spend years mocking southern states only to run around screaming like little girls when a hurricane hits.

/that shiat was hilarious.
 
2013-07-18 04:15:26 PM

cbauer357: new_york_monty: potterydove: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.

Heck here in Garrett County, Maryland, we topped 20 feet in the winter of 2010-11 and regularly go over 10 feet. I'd love less than 2 meters in a winter--might be able to fire the snowplow driver who does my driveway and just use a damned shovel.

/Used to think Maryland didn't get serious snow
//Now knows that's just the downstate

snerk.... we get snow, it's either we get a truckload where the Gov shuts down the major roadways or we get enough to just make a freakin' sloppy mess OR we get the snow storm, then an ice storm, then more snow. I live on a cul-de-sac and we are the red headed step-children of Anne Arundel County and never get plowed out. If it's big time snow, they plow the secondary road and block us with a huge snow bank and there is no other exit available.


How did you make out in Sandy last year? We had something like 95% outages across Garrett with a foot+ of the heaviest snow I've ever seen. Had the power back at my house after a week, and we were the fortunate ones in the county (other than the county seat). I had friends without power for two weeks or so. I'm in a small private development, so our road-care is private, but even our guy couldn't get in for 2 days or so.

I will say, at least around here everyone has snow tires in the winter and most people know how to deal with it. I feel bad for the people who get snowed in who aren't provisioned for it. Around here, we pretty much expect it from Oct to Apr.
 
2013-07-18 04:17:35 PM

dittybopper: Cosmic_Music: mmagdalene: Real reason: The British are so white you can see their veins and organs through their skin.

Are we now?

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 506x678]

Thinks not.

For the most part, yes.

The UK is 91% white, and only 2% black.

It's less diverse than  Utah, for fark's sake.



What percentage Ginger? They may also be classified as "clear" or "pale blue."
 
2013-07-18 04:21:34 PM
It will be difficult for anyone with Dave's Syndrome...

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-18 04:28:37 PM
Brit, living near Manchester. Suffering. Major heat rash on the backs of both hands and arms, also everything from the knees down has swelled up in the heat.
I am in agony, I can't wear anything on my arms as it hurts. I also have to keep them both heavily moisturised because the blistering hurts like hell.
As for walking, sort of. I feel like I'm walking through thick mud. I can't put them up for too long. I'm drinking plenty of water.
I *HATE* warm weather.

If you in the US have done with the storms you've been experiencing, could you be so kind as to ship a few over, please?
I know I'm not keen on storms, but they're definitely prettier than the locals and endless blue sky. And I might actually stand a better chance of being able to move/not look like an accident victim.
Thanks in advance!
 
2013-07-18 04:32:15 PM

new_york_monty: cbauer357: new_york_monty: potterydove: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.

Heck here in Garrett County, Maryland, we topped 20 feet in the winter of 2010-11 and regularly go over 10 feet. I'd love less than 2 meters in a winter--might be able to fire the snowplow driver who does my driveway and just use a damned shovel.

/Used to think Maryland didn't get serious snow
//Now knows that's just the downstate

snerk.... we get snow, it's either we get a truckload where the Gov shuts down the major roadways or we get enough to just make a freakin' sloppy mess OR we get the snow storm, then an ice storm, then more snow. I live on a cul-de-sac and we are the red headed step-children of Anne Arundel County and never get plowed out. If it's big time snow, they plow the secondary road and block us with a huge snow bank and there is no other exit available.

How did you make out in Sandy last year? We had something like 95% outages across Garrett with a foot+ of the heaviest snow I've ever seen. Had the power back at my house after a week, and we were the fortunate ones in the county (other than the county seat). I had friends without power for two weeks or so. I'm in a small private development, so our road-care is private, but even our guy couldn't get in for 2 days or so.

I will say, at least around here everyone has snow tires in the winter and most people know how to deal with it. I feel bad for the people who get snowed in who aren't provisioned for it. Around here, we pretty much expect it from Oct to Apr.


We made out fine. I had a surprise party for my hubby's 50th b-day during that time and his cousin came from Germany for it. She had never seen a hurricane. I made her a "certificate of survival" of her first hurricane. It was comical.

I happen to live in a really good area in AA County. All of our power/cable lines are underground. I've lived in this house for 24 years and I can count on one hand, with fingers left over how may times we have lost power/cable/phone service. We did have to have 7 trees in our backyard taken down because of the damage, but we survived pretty well. (Reference, I'm very close to BWI airport). Of course, now that I say that I'm doomed. We currently have storm warnings in place for the rest of the evening with 60mph+ winds expected.

Unless a transformer blows up, we're pretty good.
 
2013-07-18 04:36:12 PM
cbauer357:

I'll think happy thoughts for you tonight! Good luck with the storminess.
 
2013-07-18 04:37:18 PM

This text is now purple: dywed88: thisiszombocom: London has the same latitude as calgary, and similar to Saskatoon . Seems like it should be colder there

Latitude is just one of a multitude of factors affecting climate.

Look at Vancouver, it is significantly further north and far warmer than Toronto. Or look at anywhere East of the Rockies, it gets cold well south of the border.

London is well north of Vancouver.

As an example, Juneau, AK and Glasgow are at about the same latitude, and both are near coastal waters. Glasgow's about 7 degrees warmer on average, and has a 30-deg more narrow temperature range.


Presence of what isn't that important (look at Nova Scotia). The location (in reference to the prevailing winds), temperature, and any currents are critical factors and I am sure there are more factors to consider.
 
2013-07-18 04:37:49 PM
We have already seen 120s in Arizona. Fark you all.
 
2013-07-18 04:39:10 PM
In an opposite way, Hawaii is such that if during the daytime in downtown Oahu, temperatures dipped below...say...65 degrees for a week, you'd have to shut things down :P
 
2013-07-18 04:40:05 PM
95 in Minneapolis, feels like 100...

Sometimes I wonder why I live in a state with summer to winter temperature differentials of 140 degrees.....*sigh*
 
2013-07-18 04:40:32 PM

mmagdalene: Real reason: The British are so white you can see their veins and organs through their skin.


Lol.  London is about as ethnically diverse city as you are likely to find on planet earth.  The anglo's spend a great deal of time out of doors walking (or sadly, smoking) so they are less pale than you might think.

As for the heat, 85 doesn't sound hot unless you've ever been in the tube on a typical summer day and its still hotter than crotch.  I can't imagine what that hellhole must feel like right now.
 
2013-07-18 04:45:32 PM

archbishop: FTA: just 0.5% of houses and flats in the UK had any kind of air con...the US, where nearly 100 million homes have it

I hate when "journalists"  they do this.  How the hell am I supposed to compare the percent of UK houses to the number of US houses.  This juxtaposition is utterly meaningless without more context.


"http://www.census.gov/housing/ahs/about/faq.html#Q5

How many housing units are there in the United States?

There were 132,419,000 housing units in the United States in 2011. Approximately 114,907,000 were occupied as regular residences and 17,512,000 were vacant or seasonal.
"

Wow. So 100 million out of 132 million is 75% of houses in the US have AC.

Quite a difference in climate.
 
2013-07-18 04:46:48 PM
If you run the current backwards through a heater it produces cold instead.  Problem solved.

/Sigh.  I really wish it worked that way.
 
2013-07-18 04:50:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Valiente: Cavemankiwi: Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers

Hybrid vigour for the win!


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 276x183]
[www.vibe.com image 718x988]

 Isn't Halle Berry 1/4 English?

Thought she was half-Swedish, half whatever constitutes "American Black", which is at best, variable.

Who cares?  She's hot


Exactly

(but if you care  Link )

(article also lists "Number of people worldwide who Google "Is Halle Berry black?": 260 ")
 
2013-07-18 04:50:48 PM

Rezurok: All I took out of that article:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x311]

Drinking fountains point straight up in the UK?  Gross.


That's not a drinking fountain, it's a Bidet.
 
2013-07-18 04:52:25 PM

Mock26: If you run the current backwards through a heater it produces cold instead.  Problem solved.

/Sigh.  I really wish it worked that way.


Take a 5 gallon bucket, some plastic tubing, and ornamental fountain pump, and an electric fan.   Fill bucket with ice and water, run plastic tubing in front of fan sticking both ends in the bucket, hook one end to pump and Ta Da cheap homemade swamp cooler.
 
2013-07-18 04:52:42 PM
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-07-18 04:53:44 PM

new_york_monty: cbauer357: new_york_monty: potterydove: bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.

I live in Michigan.  Where I live it averages just under 2 meters of snowfall a year.  I think I'd be ok in Hamilton or whatever Toronto suburb you live in.

Heck here in Garrett County, Maryland, we topped 20 feet in the winter of 2010-11 and regularly go over 10 feet. I'd love less than 2 meters in a winter--might be able to fire the snowplow driver who does my driveway and just use a damned shovel.

/Used to think Maryland didn't get serious snow
//Now knows that's just the downstate

snerk.... we get snow, it's either we get a truckload where the Gov shuts down the major roadways or we get enough to just make a freakin' sloppy mess OR we get the snow storm, then an ice storm, then more snow. I live on a cul-de-sac and we are the red headed step-children of Anne Arundel County and never get plowed out. If it's big time snow, they plow the secondary road and block us with a huge snow bank and there is no other exit available.

How did you make out in Sandy last year? We had something like 95% outages across Garrett with a foot+ of the heaviest snow I've ever seen. Had the power back at my house after a week, and we were the fortunate ones in the county (other than the county seat). I had friends without power for two weeks or so. I'm in a small private development, so our road-care is private, but even our guy couldn't get in for 2 days or so.

I will say, at least around here everyone has snow tires in the winter and most people know how to deal with it. I feel bad for the people who get snowed in who aren't provisioned for it. Around here, we pretty much expect it from Oct to Apr.



My folks live in Accident.  Ever since 2010, they've snowbirded the shiat out of there and just dealt with the inevitable damage to the house in the Spring.  The snow was over their roof that winter.  Wisp was actually pretty kick ass.

Between Hurricanes, Tornadoes, and Micro-climate Snowstorms, that's one beautiful part of the world that wants to kill every human being that lives there.

/end csb
 
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