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2013-07-18 03:04:04 PM  

ZAZ: 4. Roads don't handle heat well either

A summer or two ago there was a story about Midwest concrete slabs buckling. One created a ramp and launched a bike.


Sounds like an engineering issue to me. Roads and sidewalks work just fine in such frosty cities as Phoenix and Las Vegas.
 
2013-07-18 03:04:06 PM  

ZAZ: A summer or two ago there was a story about Midwest concrete slabs buckling. One created a ramp and launched a bike.


The only thing strange about that was the timing; concrete buckling at the seams is fairly common up here in Wisconsinland.

Here's another fun one:   http://youtu.be/i-zVEq3d8ws
 
2013-07-18 03:04:16 PM  

give me doughnuts: A couple I know took a trip to Wales a few years a go. They reserched the typical sort of weather for Wales in July, and packed accordingly. It was 2006, and right at the beginning of the worst heatwave in a century in three years. Roads were closed because the blacktop softened too much to drive on. Trains were cancelled because the rails were buckling.

But they did get to watch some filming of the Doctor Who Christmas Special.


Summer of 2003 saw London hit 100 F for the first time in recorded history. I was in Germany for the 2003 heat wave. I thought it highly amusing seeing people wear jeans in 95+ degree weather. Didn't see too many Germans under the age of 25-30 wearing shorts, and plenty of Germans my age stuck to wearing pants.
 
2013-07-18 03:05:22 PM  

dabbletech: 11.  Spent all their money on dental care.

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How much did they save by not buying tweezers?
 
2013-07-18 03:06:43 PM  
When the Canadians are making fun of your being too acclimated to cold to handle the heat, you are officially fair game.
 
2013-07-18 03:07:13 PM  
If only they had windmills to keep them cool.
 
2013-07-18 03:07:19 PM  

TheOmni: It's like when we make fun of the southern states for being pretty much completely shut down whenever they get about an inch of snow. There are a variety of reasons why their infrastructure isn't set up to handle snow, and a population with a lack of personal experience handling it also complicates matters.

None of this makes it not hilarious or mockable though.


Indeed. British water heaters tend to work on demand and can be as small as toaster ovens. Much of their plumbing runs outside of the house, as many quite functional houses predate the widespread invention of plumbing. So you can imagine the effect of a cold snap longer than, say, 24 hours. Hint: It involves a lot of snapping.

All of Britain is north of 50N. It is moderated by the Gulf Stream into a sort of Goldilocks zone of frequent rains and temperatures in what North Americans would consider a very narrow range of 0-20C. (It was 36C/98F in Toronto yesterday, by contrast, and we are just south of 44N). If the weather starts to swing in accordance with the high latitude, and/or the Gulf Stream moves or ceases, Britain could be Siberia pretty quickly, with France being Southern Siberia, I suppose...or Northern Saskatchewan.

They wouldn't do well. Most of them don't have words for "snow shovel, road salt and tire chains".
 
2013-07-18 03:08:10 PM  
Just checked outside and it is 90f degrees, which is uncommonly cool for this time of year in the afternoon.  When are ya frickin limeys gonna learn to put ice in yer tea?

/posted while sitting in front of my 30 year old box fan.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:40 PM  
Isn't 85 degrees in Britain like eleventy billion on the American scale?

No wonder people have to go to THE hospital in such conditions.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:59 PM  
dittybopper:
Also, the human body can put up with a very high temperatures so long as it stays hydrated properly.  Keep the water intake up, and the electrolytes balanced, and you should be fine as long as you don't have any major underlying health issues.

It's uncomfortable, but there is no reason why temperatures in the mid-80s to low 90s should be *FATAL*.


But keeping a human's core temperature in the safe range is heavily dependent on relative humidity since we rely on evaporative cooling.  One can be fully hydrated and still suffer hyperthermia.  90 degrees with a dew point in the 50s could be considerably safer from a hyperthermic standpoint than 84 and a dewpoint of 78.  The latter of which we had in my part of New England about a week ago.  Never seen the dewpoint that high and I hope to never see that again.
 
2013-07-18 03:10:06 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers


Hybrid vigour for the win!


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www.vibe.com
 
2013-07-18 03:11:00 PM  

abhorrent1: I still disagree that 85 degrees is a heat wave. So they're THEIR excuses are invalid.

/92 here right now


FTFM.
/95 here right now.
 
2013-07-18 03:12:20 PM  

23FPB23: PENGUIN

/rage typo


WRONG HEMISPHERE, MORAN.

/geography, basic.
 
2013-07-18 03:12:41 PM  

HailRobonia: If only they had windmills to keep them cool.


I lol'd.  It took far too long for that line to be used in this thread.
 
2013-07-18 03:13:55 PM  

bingethinker: It's "only" 84 here in Ottawa, but the humidity is 85%, so it's uncomfortable.

Come visit Canada in January, we'll see who can't handle the temperature.


+1

Although I worked in Chalk River this winter (now too, but speaking of cold..), and a few days were chilly enough to halt nuclear fission let me tell ya..

/we put on a sweater
 
2013-07-18 03:14:10 PM  
What about cars in Britain?  What are the percentage of them that have A/C?

/it's currently 86 degrees F here in southeast USA.  I'm very comfortable.
 
2013-07-18 03:14:21 PM  
All I took out of that article:

news.bbcimg.co.uk

Drinking fountains point straight up in the UK?  Gross.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:09 PM  

coldcuts: "On railways there are traditionally expansion joints, using small gaps in the rail. But once the rail has expanded to fill those gaps you are in trouble.  "

Maybe in the early 1900's.  Modern railways use stretched rails to account for expansion.  I would hope even British rails would account for temps to occasionally go into the high 80s.


They still use gauge the width of roman chariot wheels, or so I've heard.
 
2013-07-18 03:17:01 PM  

Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers

Hybrid vigour for the win!


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 276x183]
[www.vibe.com image 718x988]


 Isn't Halle Berry 1/4 English?
 
2013-07-18 03:17:49 PM  

Rezurok: Drinking fountains point straight up in the UK? Gross


Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww! You're right!.  No wonder there's not enough of them, nobody in his right mind would use one designed like that, so why put in something no one will use?.
 
2013-07-18 03:17:50 PM  

cbauer357: teylix: amindtat: #11  [www.journeywoman.com image 250x248]

man when i visited europe last late summer, i missed ice cubes badly. why are those losers stuck in the middle ages? give me my AC and ice cubes any day.

Amen to that! It's damn hard to find an ice cube in Germany. One time, when I got a coke, I was given one ice cube and a room temperature soda.... sigh... The waitress thought I was insane when I explained to her to FILL the entire glass with ice.


Because you clearly are. If the glass is full of ice cubes you get less coke, so what's the point in ordering a coke anyway? (Oh, and go to McDonald's next time. You'll get more than one ice cube. Even during winter when it's farking freezing out there. Bastards.)
 
2013-07-18 03:18:54 PM  
Brits are such pussies. They whine about literally everything possible. Except for standing in line. Which is apparently like the British equivalent of Paradise.

Also, for you Canucks, your little winter breezes aren't cold. They're laughable. I'm a Texan and I spent 6 months in Adak...in the winter, most often in the water.

It's not hard to adjust your body to wildly varying thermal cycles, you just can't be a fatass who sits on their ass all day.
 
2013-07-18 03:20:09 PM  

lemurs: The North Atlantic Current apparently has a lot to do with keeping its temperature more mild than its latitude would suggest.


Some, but not a lot.  tl;dr version:

"Fifty percent of the winter temperature difference across the North Atlantic is caused by the eastward atmospheric transport of heat released by the ocean that was absorbed and stored in the summer.
Fifty percent is caused by the stationary waves of the atmospheric flow.
The ocean heat transport contributes a small warming across the basin.

The seasonal ocean heat storage and pattern of atmospheric heat transport add up to make winters in western Europe 15 to 20 degrees C warmer than those in eastern North America. A very similar process occurs across the Pacific Ocean. The ocean heat transport warms the North Atlantic Ocean and the land on both sides by a modest few degrees C. The only place where the ocean heat transport fundamentally alters climate is along the coast of northern Norway which would be sea ice-covered were it not for the warm northward flowing Norwegian Current."
 
2013-07-18 03:20:13 PM  

Klopfer: cbauer357: teylix: amindtat: #11  [www.journeywoman.com image 250x248]

man when i visited europe last late summer, i missed ice cubes badly. why are those losers stuck in the middle ages? give me my AC and ice cubes any day.

Amen to that! It's damn hard to find an ice cube in Germany. One time, when I got a coke, I was given one ice cube and a room temperature soda.... sigh... The waitress thought I was insane when I explained to her to FILL the entire glass with ice.

Because you clearly are. If the glass is full of ice cubes you get less coke, so what's the point in ordering a coke anyway? (Oh, and go to McDonald's next time. You'll get more than one ice cube. Even during winter when it's farking freezing out there. Bastards.)


Erm, you get the exact same amount. I always got the can unless I was in some place like Burger King or McDonalds. Every Doner shop I ate at just give you the can, same with sit down restaurants.
 
2013-07-18 03:21:20 PM  

Caelistis: It's not hard to adjust your body to wildly varying thermal cycles, you just can't be a fatass who sits on their ass all day.


you said "ass" twice.
 
2013-07-18 03:22:41 PM  

amindtat: #11  [www.journeywoman.com image 250x248]


Chalk me up as an American who doesn't use ice in his drinks.

/Because it melts.
//And waters down the drink.
///The furrners got this one right
 
2013-07-18 03:23:01 PM  

Klopfer: cbauer357: teylix: amindtat: #11  [www.journeywoman.com image 250x248]

man when i visited europe last late summer, i missed ice cubes badly. why are those losers stuck in the middle ages? give me my AC and ice cubes any day.

Amen to that! It's damn hard to find an ice cube in Germany. One time, when I got a coke, I was given one ice cube and a room temperature soda.... sigh... The waitress thought I was insane when I explained to her to FILL the entire glass with ice.

Because you clearly are. If the glass is full of ice cubes you get less coke, so what's the point in ordering a coke anyway? (Oh, and go to McDonald's next time. You'll get more than one ice cube. Even during winter when it's farking freezing out there. Bastards.)


Maybe I should have been more clear. I got a glass with one ice cube and a small bottle of soda on the side. I just wanted the darn thing cold. I wasn't being cheated out of the proper amount that was paid for.
 
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2013-07-18 03:23:45 PM  

23FPB23: Oh, and here in the US, we're idiots and weaklings because we don't have 3 snowplows and 47 loads of salt for every man, woman and child. And we wreck our cars in wholesale fashion after 15 minutes of sleet.


That's just you Southerners. There are parts of the continental US that get a damn site colder than Ottawa.
 
2013-07-18 03:24:04 PM  
This was the article I referenced earlier.  Thanks for posting it.  There are some interesting engineering challenges for them ahead.
 
2013-07-18 03:24:49 PM  

Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: So what they're saying is the Brits are inferior as a species and a tiny bit of variance of climate is killing them?  Hooray evolution!

Americans and our vastly superior genes mock and ridicule the wankers

Hybrid vigour for the win!


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 276x183]
[www.vibe.com image 718x988]


I'd hybrid her with vigor and by that I mean I'd penis her until she was disappointed
 
2013-07-18 03:24:57 PM  
Bunch of pansy wankers, whinging about bollocks : it's 96 outside right now (35.6C) and I biked to work. AC in the office can't keep the temperature below 80 right now, but I have a fan for that.

/We now return you to other people bragging about their weather resistance...
 
2013-07-18 03:25:36 PM  

fireclown: Caelistis: It's not hard to adjust your body to wildly varying thermal cycles, you just can't be a fatass who sits on their ass all day.

you said "ass" twice.


I like ass.
 
2013-07-18 03:25:45 PM  
This just in - people are bad at unhanding unexpected weather.

I'd rather have two weeks of 110 degree weather in the US than two weeks of 85 degree weather in the UK.

In the US my house, my car, my office, and every restaurant I went to - had AC.
In the UK nothing has AC, and if it does, it's inadequate AC.
 
2013-07-18 03:26:50 PM  

gameshowhost: ZAZ: A summer or two ago there was a story about Midwest concrete slabs buckling. One created a ramp and launched a bike.

The only thing strange about that was the timing; concrete buckling at the seams is fairly common up here in Wisconsinland.

Here's another fun one:   http://youtu.be/i-zVEq3d8ws


That took place a few miles from my home.
It seems that the new (US 53) road was made with inferior concrete. The older highways were not seeing any buckling.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:30 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: They can't figure out where to shove in 'u' into 'air conditioning'.


That's the one for me. Thanks
 
2013-07-18 03:27:42 PM  

mama2tnt: abhorrent1: I still disagree that 85 degrees is a heat wave. So they're THEIR excuses are invalid.

/92 here right now

FTFM.
/95 here right now.


96 Here!  Feels like 110 so it says.  Office temperature - 72.
 
2013-07-18 03:31:17 PM  

jvl: ZAZ: Last week, 200 ScotRail services were cancelled or held up because of the heat. In temperatures of 30C (86F) the rails themselves can easily reach 50C.
The UK network uses continuous welded rail as this is safer, stronger and allows trains to travel more quickly over it, Network Rail says.

In Massachusetts commuter rail slows to 30 mph when temperature reaches 90. The state (country?) has not historically been a fan of continuous welded rail. Some has been installed over the past 15 years.

Yet somehow BART in the San Franscico Bay Area (with continuous rails) magically runs at full speed even when temperatures run up to 110F.


Well, I don't know if this is the *only* reason, but there is some important missing information.  What is the average hottest AND LOWEST temperatur in each area, as it is the delta-T that determines the amount of expansion to expect.

Lets say San Fran averages between 50* and 110*, they need to install rails such that the gaps aren't too big at 50* (when fully contracted) and not to small at 110*.  So they need to account for an expansion resulting from a 60* temperature difference.

In Boston, it could be more like 10* and 90*, so they will need to account for expansion resulting from an 80* change.

I imagine having to deal with snow/ice might come into play as well, but I honestly don't know.  In fact I could be totally wrong, there could be compeltely different reasons why one would be fine at 110* and the other would break at 90*...but just ebcause the highest temperature is higher in one place, does not mean that they ahve to worry teh most about thermal expansion.  It is the difference in temperature.
 
2013-07-18 03:31:18 PM  

archbishop: FTA:

just 0.5% of houses and flats in the UK had any kind of air con...the US, where nearly 100 million homes have it
I hate when "journalists"  they do this.  How the hell am I supposed to compare the percent of UK houses to the number of US houses.  This juxtaposition is utterly meaningless without more context.


When I lived in Nagoya, Japan, I thought I could get away with not turning on my air conditioner one night in order to save money (because it was very expensive to run).  I woke up the next morning absolutely drenched in sweat, dizzy and nauseous.  That's when I learned about heat stroke, and how it wasn't a good idea to not have air conditioning when it's 100 degrees with 100% humidity...at night.  I never did that again.
 
2013-07-18 03:31:41 PM  

Valiente: All of Britain is north of 50N. It is moderated by the Gulf Stream into a sort of Goldilocks zone of frequent rains and temperatures in what North Americans would consider a very narrow range of 0-20C. (It was 36C/98F in Toronto yesterday, by contrast, and we are just south of 44N). If the weather starts to swing in accordance with the high latitude, and/or the Gulf Stream moves or ceases, Britain could be Siberia pretty quickly, with France being Southern Siberia, I suppose...or Northern Saskatchewan.



It's kind of incredible how much the Gulf Stream and Mediterranean (as a heat sink) moderate european weather.
I'm currently at 38 degrees, 12' North latutude, and while we may not get meters of snow every winter, we aren't strangers to the cold. Our record low temperature was -27F, and our 24-hour snowfall record is just shy of two feet.

Messina, Italy is as 38 degrees, 11' North latitude, and I doubt it has snowed there in living memory.
 
2013-07-18 03:32:06 PM  

ZAZ: A summer or two ago there was a story about Midwest concrete slabs buckling. One created a ramp and launched a bike.


No one should be allowed to be a civil engineer in the Midwest without planning for expansion. Simple freeze-thaw water expansion cycles require expansion joints!
 
2013-07-18 03:33:53 PM  
I can't believe they have so few swimming pools. What, are they afraid of water? They live on a frekin' Island!

I can understand some swimming in the ocean, but what about learning to swim?

We have 10 here in Pittsburgh, including the Dormont Pool.
 
2013-07-18 03:34:13 PM  
I'd just like to say, it is 102 here today in the Mojave, and I am wearing a suit.

All your lamentations of unbearableness at 89 degrees amuse me.

please, let's hear some more.

/I look for a hoodie under 70
 
2013-07-18 03:35:03 PM  

Mikey1969: coldcuts: "On railways there are traditionally expansion joints, using small gaps in the rail. But once the rail has expanded to fill those gaps you are in trouble.  "

Maybe in the early 1900's.  Modern railways use stretched rails to account for expansion.  I would hope even British rails would account for temps to occasionally go into the high 80s.

Yeah, considering they can have trains in the Sonoran Desert and the Mohave Desert, i'm pretty sure that they can handle temps 30 degrees cooler than those places hit every year.


It doesn't work that way.

You can design rails (and other infrastructure) to handle extremely hot and cold temperatures. But it costs a lot of money to do so. So you design them with the local climate in mind. If it hit -35 in Southern California you would see issues with the infrastructure as it is not designed for such cold temperatures, despite them being common in places where that is normal.
 
2013-07-18 03:35:07 PM  

generallyso: 23FPB23: The point is, if the weather is not what you generally are equipped for, ITS NEWS TO US SO CLIMB BACK IN YOUR FARKING IGLOO AND EAT YOUR GODDAMNED ROAST PEGUIN.

Roast penguin sounds delicious.


www.sim64.co.uk

Recipe: http://www.sim64.co.uk/blog/roast-penguin-recipe/
 
2013-07-18 03:36:06 PM  
redmid17: give me doughnuts: A couple I know took a trip to Wales a few years a go. They reserched the typical sort of weather for Wales in July, and packed accordingly. It was 2006, and right at the beginning of the worst heatwave in a century in three years. Roads were closed because the blacktop softened too much to drive on. Trains were cancelled because the rails were buckling.

But they did get to watch some filming of the Doctor Who Christmas Special.

Summer of 2003 saw London hit 100 F for the first time in recorded history. I was in Germany for the 2003 heat wave. I thought it highly amusing seeing people wear jeans in 95+ degree weather. Didn't see too many Germans under the age of 25-30 wearing shorts, and plenty of Germans my age stuck to wearing pants.


Well once its over 98.6 F you are better off wearing long pants and long sleeves.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:06 PM  

thisiszombocom: London has the same latitude as calgary, and similar to Saskatoon . Seems like it should be colder there


Latitude is just one of a multitude of factors affecting climate.

Look at Vancouver, it is significantly further north and far warmer than Toronto. Or look at anywhere East of the Rockies, it gets cold well south of the border.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:13 PM  

Fatty McFatcheeks: I'd just like to say, it is 102 here today in the Mojave, and I am wearing a suit.

All your lamentations of unbearableness at 89 degrees amuse me.

please, let's hear some more.

/I look for a hoodie under 70


First time I went to Houston was in February. It was around 60 degrees. I was walking around in either a long sleeve T or normal T and some shorts. Everyone else was wearing pants and jackets, and I even saw multiple joggers wearing gear similar to what wrestlers wear when they are trying to make weight at the last minute, sans trash bag.

I found that fairly funny. Then again, I had just left Indy and it had just snowed over a foot. Take the good with the bad I guess.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:23 PM  

Fatty McFatcheeks: I'd just like to say, it is 102 here today in the Mojave, and I am wearing a suit.

All your lamentations of unbearableness at 89 degrees amuse me.

please, let's hear some more.

/I look for a hoodie under 70


Ha, 96* in DC and it "feels like" 115 according to weather.com with our 56% humidity.  I'll trade you this swampy ass-air anyday for some nice dry heat where my sweat will actually cool me off instead of just moistening my undergarments.

/soggy balls
 
2013-07-18 03:38:31 PM  

Klopfer: cbauer357: teylix: amindtat: #11  [www.journeywoman.com image 250x248]

man when i visited europe last late summer, i missed ice cubes badly. why are those losers stuck in the middle ages? give me my AC and ice cubes any day.

Amen to that! It's damn hard to find an ice cube in Germany. One time, when I got a coke, I was given one ice cube and a room temperature soda.... sigh... The waitress thought I was insane when I explained to her to FILL the entire glass with ice.

Because you clearly are. If the glass is full of ice cubes you get less coke, so what's the point in ordering a coke anyway? (Oh, and go to McDonald's next time. You'll get more than one ice cube. Even during winter when it's farking freezing out there. Bastards.)


Coke/Pepsi is 99% water.  The other 1% is ungodly cheap.

In the US - companies purchase large amounts of concentrated syrup that they combine, on demand, with chilled water, ice, and CO2.  It's called a 'Fountain drink'.  Typically, an American will pay $2 USD for such a drink....served in a 20oz (500ml) or larger glass....and it will almost always include unlimited free refills.

Americans are not concerned about the loss of volume due to ice.

For whatever reason - soft-drinks at restaurants cost about a gazillion times more in the EU.

Comparing a place like Eddie Rockets to a place like Steak N Shake works out to Coke being six or seven times as expensive in the EU than in the US.  It boggles my mind.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:42 PM  

Fatty McFatcheeks: I'd just like to say, it is 102 here today in the Mojave, and I am wearing a suit.

All your lamentations of unbearableness at 89 degrees amuse me.

please, let's hear some more.

/I look for a hoodie under 70


over 80 and I'd rather not leave the house, I'll wear shorts in 45 degree weather though, Winter isn't cold until around 20, then I'll defiantly grab a winter coat.
 
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