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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 48
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2013-07-18 02:42:24 PM  
4 votes:
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2013-07-18 01:38:55 PM  
4 votes:
Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.
2013-07-18 01:38:15 PM  
4 votes:
You would of. Admit it.

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2013-07-18 09:20:25 PM  
3 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amos Quito: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND: And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my  subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.



DROxINxTHExWIND: Well sir, your first mistake is the intellectually lazy grouping of black people who you consider "black leaders".


And you, sir, have made the presumptuous error of implying that I consider the black individuals whose names I have regularly invoked in this case (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, Barack Obama and Eric Holder) as "black leaders". I do not refer to these as "black leaders" but as RACE-BAITERS. It is true that Obama and Holder are black, and they are "leaders", but the others are nothing but manipulative charlatans, shake-down artists and firebrands (a description that also fits Obama and Holder very well, at least in this case).


DROxINxTHExWIND: Oddly, President Barack Obama and Eric Holder seem to be the only two people in his administration who are hell-bent on pushing this black agenda that you all dreamed up.


In that case I'm sure you can rattle of the names of dozens of other members of Obama's administration that have publicly vocalized their opposition to this race-baiting agenda, no? Because if not, we may be tempted to assume that the entire administration is in tacit agreement.


DROxINxTHExWIND:  I guess powerful black men are scary.


I'm sure they can be - especially to those who don't dare to utter a word that might be viewed critical of them - cringing in fear at the thought that they might be labeled as a "RACIST" for daring to speak frankly. Fortunately, I suffer from no such affliction.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The funny thing is that you put Al Sharpton's name ahead of them both.


Sharpton was a full-time professional race-baiter / firebrand long before any of us ever heard of Obama or Holder.


DROxINxTHExWIND: Look, don't blame us when the majority white media runs to Al Sharpton every time a black person skins their knee. I can't control what comes out of that clowns mouth anymore than you can notrol Fred Phelps. Difference is, i don't assume that you believe what Phelps believes because you're the same skin color.


"Don't blame us"? That's funny, one moment you're accusing me for lumping all black people together, then you turn around and speak of all black people as a collective. Is all that spinning making you dizzy? And as for your comparing Sharpton and his fellow firebrands (including Obama and Holder) to Phelps, look at the response of the those that whose interests they pretend to represent: Have you seen thousands - tens of thousands of Phelps' supporters raising hell in the streets of multiple major cities across the US? Is Phelps operating under the color of the authority of the Attorney General's office? Of the farking White House?


DROxINxTHExWIND: Your second error is creating a pulled-straight-from-the-ass justification of your problem with those men. You're not smarter than me, champ. So, there is no nefarious plan to manipulate me that only you can see.


To manipulate YOU, Mr. Black Man?

There you go with the knee-jerk assumptions again. Obviously you haven't been paying much attention to my posts, because I have NEVER implied that blacks were the sole target of this manipulation - indeed, I have stated repeatedly and clearly that the intent of these Authoritarian Asshats is to create division, mistrust, strife, discord and hatred among the people - ALL THE PEOPLE - on as many levels as possible. Interracial strife is only one of MANY avenues that they constantly exploit to create disharmony and disunity among the peasant masses - including gender issues, sexuality, religion, cultural differences, immigration issues, poverty issues... Divide and Rule is very old and VERY effective strategy by which a skilled minority of oligarchs can effectively manipulate and control what WOULD be an overwhelmingly powerful majority  - THE PEOPLE - united in goals and in purpose.

Don't flatter yourself, Droxie. No one has singled you and yours out for "special treatment". You're just another "group", another tool to be manipulated, one against the other.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The justice system was farked long before anyone ever heard of Obama or Holder.


Yeah, and it's still farked. Ask the guy who was unjustly accused of murder, was recently acquitted, and now faces a race-baited divisive attack from none other that the US Attorney General and the POTUS.

How's them apples?


DROxINxTHExWIND: I do believe that Zimmerman should have been punished for creating the situation that led to a childs death.


Punished? That implies that GZ committed a crime - what crime would that be? Participating in a Neighborhood watch program? Leaving his house after dark? Spotting a suspicious character and notifying the police? Telling the police that said suspicious character was fleeing? Exiting his truck so that he might better direct police toward the area where the suspicious man had fled - and then agreeing to comply with the *suggestion* of the dispatcher that he need not follow this suspicious character?

Did Zimmerman commit a "crime" by being punched in the nose, having his head beaten against the sidewalk, and then mercilessly pummeled as he screamed for help? Was it a "crime" for Zimmerman to defend himself against this relentless attack by using deadly force in the form of a firearm that he was fully licensed to lawfully carry?

Which of the above are "crimes" for which you believe Zimmerman should be "punished", DROxINxTHExWIND? Or perhaps you think that anyone who dares cast an eye of suspicion toward a non-white person deserves to be severely beaten (and possibly killed), and that they should just lie there and "take it like a man"? Because... "racsim"?


DROxINxTHExWIND: The major injustice is not that the jury decided there was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty. The real issue that I have with all of this shiat is that we never got to see the George Zimmerman trial because people were too busy with the Trayvon Martin trial. We still live in a country where people will assasinate the character of a 17 year old murder victim to further their idiotic preconceived notions about minorities.


Sorry, but bull-farking-shiat, Droxy. The prosecution did everything in their power, used every sleazy, melodramatic maneuver they could cook up to demonize Zimmerman as a vigilante "kneegrowe hunter" with a SICK, DEPRAVED RACIST mind. Do you remember the CLASSIC opening lines of the prosecution?

'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away. "Those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. And excuse my language. but those were his words not mine. 'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away."

Go ahead, Drox. Click the link an watch it again.


DROxINxTHExWIND: I believe that the generalizations about what kind of person Trayvon was helped to keep his killer free. The defense team used fear of black people (showing a shirtless picture of Trayvon with a grille) to justify homicide...and it worked.


Oh, you mean this picture?

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The task of the defense was not to "justify homicide", but to contend that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he resorted to the use of deadly force in his struggle for survival against Trayvon Martin.

Do you think it was "unfair" that the jury should see an accurate photographic portrayal of the MAN that straddled and beat Zimmerman that night? That the jury should the MAN that Zimmerman saw?

www.bnnnewsroom.com

Or do you think they should have been restricted to seeing the false image of Trayvon Martin as portrayed by the race-baiters and the shiat-stain media?

Again, we're getting PLAYED here - and not just you, Mr. Smart Black Man, but ALL of us are being manipulated by the Authoritarian Oligarchs that seek to Divide, Rule and dominate us by causing us to fight one another.


Yea, I doubt you'll bother to read this, let alone wrap your head around what I'm saying.

So, see you at the J4TM Rally?
2013-07-18 05:29:21 PM  
3 votes:
My two cents:

This case was twisted and turned by the media to make it so sensational that most of us had no idea what was going on until the trial started.  And honestly, that's the biggest crime in this, in my point of view, is that a man was attacked and ended up in a situation where he was forced to defend himself.  Martin got away, he got home, then returned to confront Zimmerman.  Had he not returned he would still be alive today.  But that wasn't explained until the trial.  Until the trial it was Martin was this kind sweet innocent kid who was gunned down.  The media hasn't stopped yet either.  Yesterday I was in the interview process for this one job and they had CNN on in the breakroom and they were talking about the Zimmerman case in a way that sounded like Zimmerman got away with murder.  No, Zimmerman got away with self defense.  The moment Martin returned and attacked Zimmerman, Martin entered the wrong.  One thing they asked was "How can this one mother fire a warning shot, harm no one and end up facing 20 years in prison while Zimmerman kills a minor and walks?"  Gee ignorant news lady, Zimmerman was defending himself and the woman fired a weapon from a residence at another person.  Firing a weapon from a residence is a felony in several states, unless it is self defense.  And honestly, it couldn't have been self defense if there was a warning shot.  Warning shots are retarded things to begin with.  Your warning is that you have a gun and your potential attacker sees it.  I would honestly love to see Zimmerman sue the news media for basically accusing him of murder before the trial even began (giving that you can sue for physical or financial harm, plastering your name and picture all over the news websites as a child killer is going to prevent you from getting work later on if found not guilty, thus, the financial harm).

As for this bit about a Federal case against Zimmerman?  He was found not guilty by way of self defense.  Where is the Federal case in this?  You can use lethal force to defend yourself on the state level but can still face federal prosecution if the powers that be choose it?  And honestly, the only reason why it's being raised is mob justice by those who don't want Zimmerman to walk.  By those who think he did it out of racism or because Martin was a minor when he was killed.  This could lead to a precedent where self defense is no longer a blanket "If you are attacked, you have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself" to "You can't defend yourself if your attacker is a minor."  or "You can't defend yourself if you're white and your attacker is a minority."  Laws that put adults into dangerous situations where if they are attacked by a 16 year old, they have no recourse but to be attacked and hope they aren't killed.  And putting teens into the situation of knowing that they can attack without the adult defending themselves, but the victim can still call the police and file a report...unless you kill your victim.  And even worse, a precedent that leads to a whites can't lethally defend themselves in an attack by a minor is pretty much a racist law that makes white people a bigger target because if they defend themselves in an attack, they can still face federal prosecution for killing a minority.

Years ago I read this story about by an Admiral in the Navy about Sheep, Sheep dogs and Wolves.  The wolves are out to eat the sheep.  The sheep dogs are out to protect the sheep and the sheep don't want the reminders that there are wolves and see sheep dogs are reminders that there are wolves, so they seek to get rid of the sheep dogs so they can continue to believe that there are no wolves.  Congress has a high number of sheep.  Federally prosecuting Zimmerman is going to force sheep dogs to become sheep or wolves.  This won't do a damn thing to actually go after wolves, just criminalize being a sheep dog.  And when you look at people like Feinstein, you realize that their goal is just that, sheep criminalizing sheep dogs.  That's the goal of every anti-gun law, everyone who's against things like Stand Your Ground, any policy that strips a person of their right to defend themselves in any way.  Even the TSA is a sheep law against sheep dogs.  Those knives confiscated by the TSA hasn't stopped any hijackings or saved any lives.  All it's done is forced potential sheep dogs to become sheep for travel.
2013-07-18 02:39:54 PM  
3 votes:

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.


A reply to a post about lies and misrepresentation with several inaccurate and ignorant facts/views.

/i love irony
2013-07-18 02:07:57 PM  
3 votes:

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


In other news, beating the living shiat out of "creepy-ass crackers" is the "Civil Right" of all minority teens.

How dare George Zimmerman deprive  Trayvon Martin of his Civil Rights?
2013-07-18 02:02:36 PM  
3 votes:
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Attorney General Eric Holder calls for justice in the Trayvon Martin Case
2013-07-19 09:11:44 AM  
2 votes:
BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  FORGET THE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND COLLAPSING ECONOMY!
2013-07-18 11:09:55 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


So since you're apparently smart enough to avoid jury duty, how do you do it?

Do you not show up when you get a summons?  Do you lie when asked questions during jury selection?  Do you wear the same clothes and avoid using toilet paper and bathing for a week before showing up?

I don't try to avoid jury duty.  The last time I showed up, I was actually picked.  I was surprised, but not upset by being picked.  It seemed like a large crowd of people that we were chosen from.  Two people tried to get out of it by claiming it would disrupt their jobs.   One of those people actually claimed his job was too important for him to take time away from it.  They were not excused.  Another person claimed that since he knew someone who had been a victim of auto theft that he wouldn't be able to render a fair verdict.  After further questioning from the judge (who I suspect thought he was lying his ass off) they did excuse him.  Almost everyone in that courtroom raised their hands when we were asked if we had been or knew someone close to us who had been a victim of auto-theft (including me).

And while I wouldn't call my fellow jurors geniuses they were all reasonably intelligent and a couple of them struck me as very intelligent.

In short, it is not "dumb" to perform your civic duty.  I believe it is in fact "dumb" to try to get out of it, especially if you're going to complain about the justice system.
2013-07-18 04:02:04 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012



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2013-07-18 03:41:53 PM  
2 votes:

NorCalLos: koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.

That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted? Your argument is invalid.


Please repost in english.
2013-07-18 03:03:14 PM  
2 votes:

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.


Some of us think it's a waste of time because the only evidence for the commission of a hate crime was for the racist, homophobic assault committed by Trayvon Martin against George Zimmerman.
2013-07-18 03:00:40 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


You also left out, the prosecution and/or the district attorney's office attempting to hide evidence and then firing the whistle blower who handed it over to the defense team
2013-07-18 02:56:19 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting to be TRULY successful, you need to get BOTH groups worked into a frenzy of hatred, and so far the white folks just aren't there.

And that is why Obama and Holder know that there is work yet to be done.
2013-07-18 02:33:44 PM  
2 votes:

Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?


I have been assured by numerous individuals that Mr. Zimmerman should have been convicted solely upon the basis of unproved speculation. Unfortunately, both state prosecutors and the presiding judge neglected to instruct the jury that baseless speculation is a legal means by which guilt may be determined. Hopefully, in federal court, this instruction will not be omitted.
2013-07-18 02:33:19 PM  
2 votes:

X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.


Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.
2013-07-18 02:30:22 PM  
2 votes:

Prometheus_Unbound: Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.


Exactly, but, much like the idea that this was racially motivated despite facts of the case revealing no racial motivation, it really doesn't matter to those that ignore fact and will be looked at as a case involving stand your ground.
2013-07-18 02:17:00 PM  
2 votes:
Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.
2013-07-18 01:38:56 PM  
2 votes:

odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.


A civil rights case is a criminal case.
2013-07-18 12:27:05 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-07-19 08:55:27 AM  
1 votes:

Tumunga: Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Martin's parents ought to have to reimburse Zimmerman for the cost of the round expended.
2013-07-18 11:13:03 PM  
1 votes:
Amos Quito:

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2013-07-18 06:38:53 PM  
1 votes:

Tumunga: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Not mentioning the suit v NBC for editing the 911 call to make him sound racist.
2013-07-18 03:41:29 PM  
1 votes:

Igor Jakovsky: It isn't double jeopardy but it seems like a way around it.


Actually, there is a good case to be made that it would be double jeopardy.  Apparently, the whole "dual sovereign" doctrine which allows federal and state prosecutions for the same crime dates to a case in 1852 about prosecution of the Fugitive Slave Laws, and who was the Chief Justice?  None other than the infamous Roger B. Taney.

Prior to Moore v. Illinois, it was understood that prosecution under one sovereign barred prosecution for the same acts under a different one.

/Just learned that recently.
2013-07-18 02:57:58 PM  
1 votes:

X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety


Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."
2013-07-18 02:51:18 PM  
1 votes:
Just when we thought a Republican president could never get elected again, Eric Holder does more to get one elected than the entire Republican Fail Party can.
2013-07-18 02:30:46 PM  
1 votes:

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?
2013-07-18 02:30:43 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-07-18 02:26:58 PM  
1 votes:
Mother effin' INTERNET DENTISTRY!
2013-07-18 02:25:08 PM  
1 votes:

Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.


Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.
2013-07-18 02:19:50 PM  
1 votes:

Prometheus_Unbound: keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.

In that case I eagerly await Holder to bring out the scales of justice...


Keep an eye on his thumb.
2013-07-18 02:18:56 PM  
1 votes:

Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it


There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.
2013-07-18 02:13:08 PM  
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Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?


Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.
2013-07-18 02:11:05 PM  
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NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's no ...



Hmmmmm.  Seems like Jentel could be charged with a hate crime, for implying that the Creepy-ass Cracker was really a Ass-crack Creeper, and goading Trayvon to dispense some whoop ass.
2013-07-18 02:05:24 PM  
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NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


You should have pitched that to the prosecution  before the trial started. I'm sure they could have used your expertise.
2013-07-18 02:01:30 PM  
1 votes:
Obviously court cases should be handled by social media. "SHARE THSI!!!!! THE JUDGE SAID IF TRAYVON MARTIN GETS 1 MILLION LIKES, HE'LL SEND GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TO THE ELECTRIC CHAIR!"
2013-07-18 01:59:30 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.


And, that is from an educated young lady with a 3.0 GPA.
2013-07-18 01:52:13 PM  
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NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.


That referred to civil suits brought by the Martin family. If the feds decide to invent some charges, it's technically not the same crime.
2013-07-18 01:49:32 PM  
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cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime


Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.
2013-07-18 01:48:19 PM  
1 votes:
it is extremely inappropriate for law enforcement officials, particularly the U.S. attorney general, to engage in a running extrajudicial commentary that taints the jury pool and ratchets up the investigative anxiety for a citizen who is presumed innocent

That didn't stop President Hussein from running his yap before the trial, did it? I guess that explains why he graduated as head of Harvard Law Review and then never practiced.
2013-07-18 01:48:12 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®


I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.
2013-07-18 01:39:14 PM  
1 votes:
Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®
2013-07-18 01:32:23 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta love double jeopardy.
2013-07-18 01:32:18 PM  
1 votes:
I thought we got rid of McCarthyism back in the fifties.
2013-07-18 01:31:58 PM  
1 votes:
Sick of hearing about it all.
2013-07-18 01:30:03 PM  
1 votes:
How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.
2013-07-18 12:50:59 PM  
1 votes:
I can see why he specifically uses Andrew C. McCarthy in his byline.

Whatever happened to that dude, anyway? I had a serious crush on him in my teen years...*off to GIS*

xfinity.comcast.net

He aged nicely! Crush still in place!
 
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