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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
    More: Obvious, Andrew C. McCarthy, Federal Zimmerman, CNN, Courts of the United States, Angela Corey, jury pool, double jeopardy, U.S. Attorney  
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2013-07-18 05:33:20 PM

NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.

Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.


What imaginary actions are those?

Martin thought Zimmerman was following him because he was gay and therefore a rapist. (At least in Martin and Jeantel's homophobic little minds, all gay men are rapists)
 
2013-07-18 05:33:40 PM

NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.

Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.


Replace "sexual orientation" with "race" and you have effectively proven that this issue wasnt about race.
 
2013-07-18 06:07:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.
 
2013-07-18 06:38:53 PM

Tumunga: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Not mentioning the suit v NBC for editing the 911 call to make him sound racist.
 
2013-07-18 07:18:04 PM

redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).


Isn't she Haitian?
 
2013-07-18 07:21:49 PM

BullBearMS: Martin thought Zimmerman was following him because he was gay and therefore a rapist. (At least in Martin and Jeantel's homophobic little minds, all gay men are rapists)


Or maybe just men who stalk teenage boys.
 
2013-07-18 07:29:20 PM

Hobodeluxe: redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).

Isn't she Haitian?


I think perhaps it boils down to "smart vs. educated."

She may very well be quite intelligent, I actually feel like there is a decently sharp mind behind all the poor grammar, but without an education she'll continue to sound like your "stereotypical ghetto soon-to-be-welfare-queen" and be crippled essentially for her entire life.
 
2013-07-18 07:32:45 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.

I must've missed the part about gaybashing.

PIERS MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?

RACHEL JEANTEL: Yes.

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.

Jeantel also addressed the gay rapist theory later in the interview:

RACHEL JEANTEL: "People need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracka going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother is there. Mind you I told you, I told Trayvon, [Zimmerman] might have been a rapist."


Seems like Zimmerman was the one being profiled.
 
2013-07-18 07:34:49 PM

Hobodeluxe: redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).

Isn't she Haitian?


I believe one of her parents is Haitian at the very least.
 
2013-07-18 09:20:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amos Quito: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND: And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my  subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.



DROxINxTHExWIND: Well sir, your first mistake is the intellectually lazy grouping of black people who you consider "black leaders".


And you, sir, have made the presumptuous error of implying that I consider the black individuals whose names I have regularly invoked in this case (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, Barack Obama and Eric Holder) as "black leaders". I do not refer to these as "black leaders" but as RACE-BAITERS. It is true that Obama and Holder are black, and they are "leaders", but the others are nothing but manipulative charlatans, shake-down artists and firebrands (a description that also fits Obama and Holder very well, at least in this case).


DROxINxTHExWIND: Oddly, President Barack Obama and Eric Holder seem to be the only two people in his administration who are hell-bent on pushing this black agenda that you all dreamed up.


In that case I'm sure you can rattle of the names of dozens of other members of Obama's administration that have publicly vocalized their opposition to this race-baiting agenda, no? Because if not, we may be tempted to assume that the entire administration is in tacit agreement.


DROxINxTHExWIND:  I guess powerful black men are scary.


I'm sure they can be - especially to those who don't dare to utter a word that might be viewed critical of them - cringing in fear at the thought that they might be labeled as a "RACIST" for daring to speak frankly. Fortunately, I suffer from no such affliction.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The funny thing is that you put Al Sharpton's name ahead of them both.


Sharpton was a full-time professional race-baiter / firebrand long before any of us ever heard of Obama or Holder.


DROxINxTHExWIND: Look, don't blame us when the majority white media runs to Al Sharpton every time a black person skins their knee. I can't control what comes out of that clowns mouth anymore than you can notrol Fred Phelps. Difference is, i don't assume that you believe what Phelps believes because you're the same skin color.


"Don't blame us"? That's funny, one moment you're accusing me for lumping all black people together, then you turn around and speak of all black people as a collective. Is all that spinning making you dizzy? And as for your comparing Sharpton and his fellow firebrands (including Obama and Holder) to Phelps, look at the response of the those that whose interests they pretend to represent: Have you seen thousands - tens of thousands of Phelps' supporters raising hell in the streets of multiple major cities across the US? Is Phelps operating under the color of the authority of the Attorney General's office? Of the farking White House?


DROxINxTHExWIND: Your second error is creating a pulled-straight-from-the-ass justification of your problem with those men. You're not smarter than me, champ. So, there is no nefarious plan to manipulate me that only you can see.


To manipulate YOU, Mr. Black Man?

There you go with the knee-jerk assumptions again. Obviously you haven't been paying much attention to my posts, because I have NEVER implied that blacks were the sole target of this manipulation - indeed, I have stated repeatedly and clearly that the intent of these Authoritarian Asshats is to create division, mistrust, strife, discord and hatred among the people - ALL THE PEOPLE - on as many levels as possible. Interracial strife is only one of MANY avenues that they constantly exploit to create disharmony and disunity among the peasant masses - including gender issues, sexuality, religion, cultural differences, immigration issues, poverty issues... Divide and Rule is very old and VERY effective strategy by which a skilled minority of oligarchs can effectively manipulate and control what WOULD be an overwhelmingly powerful majority  - THE PEOPLE - united in goals and in purpose.

Don't flatter yourself, Droxie. No one has singled you and yours out for "special treatment". You're just another "group", another tool to be manipulated, one against the other.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The justice system was farked long before anyone ever heard of Obama or Holder.


Yeah, and it's still farked. Ask the guy who was unjustly accused of murder, was recently acquitted, and now faces a race-baited divisive attack from none other that the US Attorney General and the POTUS.

How's them apples?


DROxINxTHExWIND: I do believe that Zimmerman should have been punished for creating the situation that led to a childs death.


Punished? That implies that GZ committed a crime - what crime would that be? Participating in a Neighborhood watch program? Leaving his house after dark? Spotting a suspicious character and notifying the police? Telling the police that said suspicious character was fleeing? Exiting his truck so that he might better direct police toward the area where the suspicious man had fled - and then agreeing to comply with the *suggestion* of the dispatcher that he need not follow this suspicious character?

Did Zimmerman commit a "crime" by being punched in the nose, having his head beaten against the sidewalk, and then mercilessly pummeled as he screamed for help? Was it a "crime" for Zimmerman to defend himself against this relentless attack by using deadly force in the form of a firearm that he was fully licensed to lawfully carry?

Which of the above are "crimes" for which you believe Zimmerman should be "punished", DROxINxTHExWIND? Or perhaps you think that anyone who dares cast an eye of suspicion toward a non-white person deserves to be severely beaten (and possibly killed), and that they should just lie there and "take it like a man"? Because... "racsim"?


DROxINxTHExWIND: The major injustice is not that the jury decided there was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty. The real issue that I have with all of this shiat is that we never got to see the George Zimmerman trial because people were too busy with the Trayvon Martin trial. We still live in a country where people will assasinate the character of a 17 year old murder victim to further their idiotic preconceived notions about minorities.


Sorry, but bull-farking-shiat, Droxy. The prosecution did everything in their power, used every sleazy, melodramatic maneuver they could cook up to demonize Zimmerman as a vigilante "kneegrowe hunter" with a SICK, DEPRAVED RACIST mind. Do you remember the CLASSIC opening lines of the prosecution?

'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away. "Those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. And excuse my language. but those were his words not mine. 'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away."

Go ahead, Drox. Click the link an watch it again.


DROxINxTHExWIND: I believe that the generalizations about what kind of person Trayvon was helped to keep his killer free. The defense team used fear of black people (showing a shirtless picture of Trayvon with a grille) to justify homicide...and it worked.


Oh, you mean this picture?

i2.cdn.turner.com

The task of the defense was not to "justify homicide", but to contend that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he resorted to the use of deadly force in his struggle for survival against Trayvon Martin.

Do you think it was "unfair" that the jury should see an accurate photographic portrayal of the MAN that straddled and beat Zimmerman that night? That the jury should the MAN that Zimmerman saw?

www.bnnnewsroom.com

Or do you think they should have been restricted to seeing the false image of Trayvon Martin as portrayed by the race-baiters and the shiat-stain media?

Again, we're getting PLAYED here - and not just you, Mr. Smart Black Man, but ALL of us are being manipulated by the Authoritarian Oligarchs that seek to Divide, Rule and dominate us by causing us to fight one another.


Yea, I doubt you'll bother to read this, let alone wrap your head around what I'm saying.

So, see you at the J4TM Rally?
 
2013-07-18 10:33:04 PM
Some thug within a couple months of being an adult (certainly would have been tried as one in the attempted murder case that followed if the other waste of space in this story hadn't ended his sorry ass)  initiated a physical altercation (because he was a dumb thug that was farking a legit retard) and got killed for his trouble.  Sorry I absolutely can not see why everyone is so damn pissed.
 
2013-07-18 11:09:55 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


So since you're apparently smart enough to avoid jury duty, how do you do it?

Do you not show up when you get a summons?  Do you lie when asked questions during jury selection?  Do you wear the same clothes and avoid using toilet paper and bathing for a week before showing up?

I don't try to avoid jury duty.  The last time I showed up, I was actually picked.  I was surprised, but not upset by being picked.  It seemed like a large crowd of people that we were chosen from.  Two people tried to get out of it by claiming it would disrupt their jobs.   One of those people actually claimed his job was too important for him to take time away from it.  They were not excused.  Another person claimed that since he knew someone who had been a victim of auto theft that he wouldn't be able to render a fair verdict.  After further questioning from the judge (who I suspect thought he was lying his ass off) they did excuse him.  Almost everyone in that courtroom raised their hands when we were asked if we had been or knew someone close to us who had been a victim of auto-theft (including me).

And while I wouldn't call my fellow jurors geniuses they were all reasonably intelligent and a couple of them struck me as very intelligent.

In short, it is not "dumb" to perform your civic duty.  I believe it is in fact "dumb" to try to get out of it, especially if you're going to complain about the justice system.
 
2013-07-18 11:13:03 PM
Amos Quito:

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2013-07-19 08:55:27 AM

Tumunga: Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Martin's parents ought to have to reimburse Zimmerman for the cost of the round expended.
 
2013-07-19 09:11:44 AM
BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  FORGET THE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND COLLAPSING ECONOMY!
 
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