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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-07-18 03:34:21 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.


Edukashun, how duz it werk?
 
2013-07-18 03:34:34 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.


They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:02 PM

Carth: X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.

Every tragedy isn't criminal. Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety. If you're going to talk about someone's stupidity at least get the details right


It doesn't have a safety but the trigger has a really heavy draw. If you want to shoot something you've got to put a little effort into it with that gun.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:28 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


This isn't entirely correct:

Individuals found to be justified in using deadly force may be immune from civil liability under Florida law. If the family sues and loses, it might be ordered to pay attorneys' fees and compensation to defendants, according to state law.
Zimmerman would have to establish immunity in a separate proceeding, Tamara F. Lawson, a professor at the St. Thomas University School of Law, said in a phone interview.
"In any potential subsequent civil case, the court would have to rule if he's entitled to civil immunity," she said.
Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in Miami, said Martin's family can sue because Zimmerman didn't seek a hearing under the state's self-defense law before he was tried.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:30 PM

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


I agree. One thing, you meant biased for the Prosecution, not against, right?
 
2013-07-18 03:41:15 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amos Quito: "All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...



DROxINxTHExWIND:  LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND:  And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.
 
2013-07-18 03:41:29 PM

Igor Jakovsky: It isn't double jeopardy but it seems like a way around it.


Actually, there is a good case to be made that it would be double jeopardy.  Apparently, the whole "dual sovereign" doctrine which allows federal and state prosecutions for the same crime dates to a case in 1852 about prosecution of the Fugitive Slave Laws, and who was the Chief Justice?  None other than the infamous Roger B. Taney.

Prior to Moore v. Illinois, it was understood that prosecution under one sovereign barred prosecution for the same acts under a different one.

/Just learned that recently.
 
2013-07-18 03:41:53 PM

NorCalLos: koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.

That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted? Your argument is invalid.


Please repost in english.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:24 PM

I_C_Weener: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

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"His guilt has already been established by MSNBC.  This is merely a sentencing hearing.  Death or exile?"



You choose death?

OK, then -- death by exile!
 
2013-07-18 03:45:02 PM

sethen320: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, eve


Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.
 
2013-07-18 03:49:09 PM

NorCalLos: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

This isn't entirely correct:

Individuals found to be justified in using deadly force may be immune from civil liability under Florida law. If the family sues and loses, it might be ordered to pay attorneys' fees and compensation to defendants, according to state law.
Zimmerman would have to establish immunity in a separate proceeding, Tamara F. Lawson, a professor at the St. Thomas University School of Law, said in a phone interview.
"In any potential subsequent civil case, the court would have to rule if he's entitled to civil immunity," she said.
Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in Miami, said Martin's family can sue because Zimmerman didn't seek a hearing under the state's self-defense law before he was tried.


It's my understanding that if he wanted to, he could still seek a hearing to bar civil suits, and of course having won an acquittal in criminal court would bolster his case.

But I don't think the Martin family will sue, because if they actually lose, they have to pay.   I can't see them risking it, not when they could potentially be in the hole for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If Zimmerman's attorneys could show a pattern of the Martin family and their lawyers presenting deliberately misleading information to the public in order to influence public opinion against George Zimmerman, and I think there is a case to be made that they can show such a pattern, he'd have a pretty good case.
 
2013-07-18 03:50:15 PM

Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.


She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).
 
2013-07-18 03:50:35 PM

MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


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Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?


no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...
 
2013-07-18 03:51:38 PM

Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, eve ...


It sounds to me like she's saying the defense exaggerated the severity of violence inflicted upon Zimmerman for the purpose of justifying the killing as self-defense.
 
2013-07-18 03:54:19 PM

Dimensio: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

Of whom are you an alt?


" 'dro in the wind "

/kidding
//I'm not an alt
 
2013-07-18 03:54:34 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


Or people who believe in doing their civil duty instead of trying their best to worm out of it.
 
2013-07-18 03:54:37 PM

NorCalLos: Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for ...


Then why did she bring up the rapist part?
 
2013-07-18 03:55:42 PM
stellarossa:  Amos Quito: Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

Because in order for race-baiting ...

I agree. One thing, you meant biased for the Prosecution, not against, right?



Clarification: I said that no one is accusing the judge of biased against the prosecution.

IMO, if the judge was biased at all, that bias decidedly favored the prosecution - particularly in her refusal to admit Trayvon's texts (regarding fighting, guns, etc) - which prosecutors deliberately concealed from the defense counsel until well into the proceedings.

That was nasty.
 
2013-07-18 03:56:00 PM

dittybopper: NorCalLos: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

It's my understanding that if he wanted to, he could still seek a hearing to bar civil suits, and of course having won an acquittal in criminal court would bolster his case.

But I don't think the Martin family will sue, because if they actually lose, they have to pay.   I can't see them risking it, not when they could potentially be in the hole for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If Zimmerman's attorneys could show a pattern of the Martin family and their lawyers presenting deliberately misleading information to the public in order to influence public opinion against George Zimmerman, and I think there is a case to be made that they can show such a pattern, he'd have a pretty good case.


Yes; he could still seek a hearing. I don't know whether the disposition of the criminal case is considered or not. The wording in the article I quoted said he may be immune...if kiling was justified, which to me sounds like a different standard than "found not guilty of manslaughter/2nd degree murder." BUT, I don't know what the text of the actual law or the legal definitions of those terms in the statute.
 
2013-07-18 03:56:34 PM

redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).



I also heard she had that 3.0 GPA. That's pretty impressive considering how tough schools grade these days.
 
2013-07-18 03:57:23 PM

Dimensio: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I have been assured by numerous individuals that Mr. Zimmerman should have been convicted solely upon the basis of unproved speculation. Unfortunately, both state prosecutors and the presiding judge neglected to instruct the jury that baseless speculation is a legal means by which guilt may be determined. Hopefully, in federal court, this instruction will not be omitted.

Because its a good thing that you should be required to prove your innocence instead of the other way around right? *boggle* Are you positive this is the way you want our legal system to work or is this just you showing outrage for the cause d'jour?
 
2013-07-18 03:58:39 PM

redmid17: NorCalLos: Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a ...


To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.
 
2013-07-18 03:59:58 PM

NorCalLos: This isn't entirely correct:


Not entirely incorrect at all.  But it was about one thing: they can bring suit, and all Zimmerman would have to do is file motion to dismiss pointing to the findings in the case for which the defendant was already acquitted and on the basis of Florida Statute 776.012.  Unless the plaintiff attorney can sway a judge that it wasn't self defense, then there is no case, and, if there was any evidence that it wasn't 776.012, then he would have been convicted on at least one of the lesser included charges.  There is a reason Crump didn't file one against him to begin with as he knew if he was acquitted on the grounds of self defense, not only does he lose his contingency, the Martin family loses money and may have a malpractice claim against him.
 
2013-07-18 04:02:04 PM
X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012



sadhillnews.com
 
2013-07-18 04:03:51 PM

NorCalLos: Yes; he could still seek a hearing. I don't know whether the disposition of the criminal case is considered or not. The wording in the article I quoted said he may be immune...if kiling was justified, which to me sounds like a different standard than "found not guilty of manslaughter/2nd degree murder." BUT, I don't know what the text of the actual law or the legal definitions of those terms in the statute.


The civil and criminal immunity statute is shared:

776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-
(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

So the only way he could be found civilly liable is if he didn't act in self defense.
 
2013-07-18 04:04:46 PM
"The country is Balkanized, with an array of armed groups controlling different areas. The government retains its grip on the capital and has been solidifying its control over a string of major cities to the north. Rebel groups hold large swaths of land in the country's north and east, though they are far from unified, with militias competing for resources, imposing their own laws and sometimes turning their guns on one another."

Oh wait, this is Syria they're talking about.
 
2013-07-18 04:08:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.
 
2013-07-18 04:10:27 PM

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012


[sadhillnews.com image 250x201]


Are people back to the DOJ organized rallies for Trayvon BS already?
 
2013-07-18 04:10:54 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.

Seriously? Did you people even listen to what evidence was presented? The gun HAS NO SAFETY to be on or off. Hell everyone I know keeps a round in the chamber including most military and police officers. But I agree except it was on both of their behalf.
 
2013-07-18 04:16:06 PM

This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.


It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."
 
2013-07-18 04:16:56 PM

Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]
Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?

no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...



encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com aw, hell yes!

//hot
 
2013-07-18 04:18:57 PM

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012


[sadhillnews.com image 250x201]


The assistance DoJ provided was not in organizing protests but in keeping the protests peaceful. You should read the actual DoJ documents, I have. And that cheap photoshop you posted just confirms that you're an impressionable fool.
 
2013-07-18 04:20:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.

It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."


I could get a lot of mileage out of that quote. I'll have to try (unsuccesfully) to remember it.
 
2013-07-18 04:27:31 PM

MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]
Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?

no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 194x259] [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 301x167] [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 201x250] aw, hell yes!

//hot



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in fact, she married a Texas shampoo billionare!
 
2013-07-18 04:33:17 PM
OK OK, you might not believe me, but:  I take personal credit for this guy putting the "c" in his name.  Back in the day when he started out and I used to post on Free Republic I would post the actors picture in every single thread on one of this guy's articles.  After a few months he started putting the "c" in his byline.

/true story
 
2013-07-18 04:40:22 PM

NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.


Gaybashing isn't glib.
 
2013-07-18 04:41:04 PM

Bruce Campbell: This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.

It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."


There was a fark thread a little while back where a kid accidentally drove into a train crossing (with no guards that come down) and got hit by the train. It killed the kid and partially derailed the train. The company that owns the train is suing the kids family for 500k for repairs to the train and track.

Kind of a dick move imo.
 
2013-07-18 04:46:15 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.


I must've missed the part about gaybashing.
 
2013-07-18 04:52:37 PM
 
2013-07-18 04:56:43 PM

Amos Quito: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND: And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my  subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.



Well sir, your first mistake is the intellectually lazy grouping of black people who you consider "black leaders". Oddly, President Barack Obama and Eric Holder seem to be the only two people in his administration who are hell-bent on pushing this black agenda that you all dreamed up. I guess powerful black men are scary. The funny thing is that you put Al Sharpton's name ahead of them both. Look, don't blame us when the majority white media runs to Al Sharpton every time a black person skins their knee. I can't control what comes out of that clowns mouth anymore than you can notrol Fred Phelps. Difference is, i don't assume that you believe what Phelps believes because you're the same skin color.

Your second error is creating a pulled-straight-from-the-ass justification of your problem with those men. You're not smarter than me, champ. So, there is no nefarious plan to manipulate me that only you can see. The justice system was farked long before anyone ever heard of Obama or Holder.  I do believe that Zimmerman should have been punished for creating the situation that led to a childs death.

The major injustice is not that the jury decided there was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty. The real issue that I have with all of this shiat is that we never got to see the George Zimmerman trial because people were too busy with the Trayvon Martin trial. We still live in a country where people will assasinate the character of a 17 year old murder victim to further their idiotic preconceived notions about minorities. I believe that the generalizations about what kind of person Trayvon was helped to keep his killer free. The defense team used fear of black people (showing a shirtless picture of Trayvon with a grille) to justify homicide...and it worked.
 
2013-07-18 05:00:14 PM

Vectron: sethen320: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for eve ...


What 3 languages? Hoodrat,ghetto, and 6th grade?
 
2013-07-18 05:00:54 PM

BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.


You're not gonna get away with those statements here, Buster. It doesn't fit the FarkLibtard narrative.
 
2013-07-18 05:01:17 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.

I must've missed the part about gaybashing.

PIERS MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?

RACHEL JEANTEL: Yes.

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.

Jeantel also addressed the gay rapist theory later in the interview:

RACHEL JEANTEL: "People need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracka going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother is there. Mind you I told you, I told Trayvon, [Zimmerman] might have been a rapist."


Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.
 
2013-07-18 05:07:45 PM

NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.


I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.
 
2013-07-18 05:09:15 PM
I had a funny thought. If Martin had lived and Zimmerman died, the same arguments for self defense would have still applied. He was pursued by a person with a history of violence in the middle of the night... Who then confronted him on a path. I'm sure Martin could just as easily have said Zimmerman started the fight, just as Zimmerman claims Martin started the fight.

In any case, both of them were farking stupid. Somehow I've never been in a fight in my adult life. Yet these two managed to create a deadly one in a suburb.

I hope I never hear of Zimmerman again, but I have a feeling that, like OJ, he's going to find a way to end up in prison sooner or later.

A further trial is pointless because there isn't any evidence to bring to change the outcome.
 
2013-07-18 05:20:55 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.


Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.
 
2013-07-18 05:25:34 PM

Netrngr: MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for eve ...

What 3 languages? Hoodrat,ghetto, and 6th grade?



Here's the thing about Piers.  He says she's "bright". It is a white liberal hypocrisy.

What if it that was the way his daughter turned out? He would have been freaking out and calling in specialists testing to find out about her obvious learning disabilities. If it was his daughter she would be considered to have what they call now an "intellectual disability".  Mental retardation.  I bet his kids are 40 IQ points ahead of her.
 
2013-07-18 05:27:28 PM

Amos Quito: keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!

Not just iced tea, ARIZONA Iced Tea Watermelon juice, to go along with his Skittles and Robitussin DM, to make his Purple Drank when he got home.

Trayvon was actively engaged in interstate commerce.

Federal Case Justified.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 05:29:21 PM
My two cents:

This case was twisted and turned by the media to make it so sensational that most of us had no idea what was going on until the trial started.  And honestly, that's the biggest crime in this, in my point of view, is that a man was attacked and ended up in a situation where he was forced to defend himself.  Martin got away, he got home, then returned to confront Zimmerman.  Had he not returned he would still be alive today.  But that wasn't explained until the trial.  Until the trial it was Martin was this kind sweet innocent kid who was gunned down.  The media hasn't stopped yet either.  Yesterday I was in the interview process for this one job and they had CNN on in the breakroom and they were talking about the Zimmerman case in a way that sounded like Zimmerman got away with murder.  No, Zimmerman got away with self defense.  The moment Martin returned and attacked Zimmerman, Martin entered the wrong.  One thing they asked was "How can this one mother fire a warning shot, harm no one and end up facing 20 years in prison while Zimmerman kills a minor and walks?"  Gee ignorant news lady, Zimmerman was defending himself and the woman fired a weapon from a residence at another person.  Firing a weapon from a residence is a felony in several states, unless it is self defense.  And honestly, it couldn't have been self defense if there was a warning shot.  Warning shots are retarded things to begin with.  Your warning is that you have a gun and your potential attacker sees it.  I would honestly love to see Zimmerman sue the news media for basically accusing him of murder before the trial even began (giving that you can sue for physical or financial harm, plastering your name and picture all over the news websites as a child killer is going to prevent you from getting work later on if found not guilty, thus, the financial harm).

As for this bit about a Federal case against Zimmerman?  He was found not guilty by way of self defense.  Where is the Federal case in this?  You can use lethal force to defend yourself on the state level but can still face federal prosecution if the powers that be choose it?  And honestly, the only reason why it's being raised is mob justice by those who don't want Zimmerman to walk.  By those who think he did it out of racism or because Martin was a minor when he was killed.  This could lead to a precedent where self defense is no longer a blanket "If you are attacked, you have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself" to "You can't defend yourself if your attacker is a minor."  or "You can't defend yourself if you're white and your attacker is a minority."  Laws that put adults into dangerous situations where if they are attacked by a 16 year old, they have no recourse but to be attacked and hope they aren't killed.  And putting teens into the situation of knowing that they can attack without the adult defending themselves, but the victim can still call the police and file a report...unless you kill your victim.  And even worse, a precedent that leads to a whites can't lethally defend themselves in an attack by a minor is pretty much a racist law that makes white people a bigger target because if they defend themselves in an attack, they can still face federal prosecution for killing a minority.

Years ago I read this story about by an Admiral in the Navy about Sheep, Sheep dogs and Wolves.  The wolves are out to eat the sheep.  The sheep dogs are out to protect the sheep and the sheep don't want the reminders that there are wolves and see sheep dogs are reminders that there are wolves, so they seek to get rid of the sheep dogs so they can continue to believe that there are no wolves.  Congress has a high number of sheep.  Federally prosecuting Zimmerman is going to force sheep dogs to become sheep or wolves.  This won't do a damn thing to actually go after wolves, just criminalize being a sheep dog.  And when you look at people like Feinstein, you realize that their goal is just that, sheep criminalizing sheep dogs.  That's the goal of every anti-gun law, everyone who's against things like Stand Your Ground, any policy that strips a person of their right to defend themselves in any way.  Even the TSA is a sheep law against sheep dogs.  Those knives confiscated by the TSA hasn't stopped any hijackings or saved any lives.  All it's done is forced potential sheep dogs to become sheep for travel.
 
2013-07-18 05:31:14 PM

NorCalLos: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.


Or maybe she spills the beans on a talk show, saying that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a gay rapist, and Trayvon gave Zimmerman a 'whoop ass' because Trayvon ain't that way, saying that Trayvon threw the first punch, and was gay-bashing Zimmerman.
 
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