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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-07-18 02:42:24 PM  
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2013-07-18 02:42:46 PM  

Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?


I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.
 
2013-07-18 02:44:21 PM  

keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!


I'm sure they would if there were such a thing as a generic federal manslaughter.  In order for the Feds to try you for such a crime, you have to have killed a federal employee, or have done the crime in federal territory (like the high seas or a military installation).
 
2013-07-18 02:44:42 PM  

NorCalLos: I don't know who you think you're explaining something to; but it isn't me.


No, not aimed at you. The Bluth part was a follow-on to your comment. The rest was my understanding of the situation, shared for the benefit of all and sundry, but nobody in particular.
 
2013-07-18 02:51:18 PM  
Just when we thought a Republican president could never get elected again, Eric Holder does more to get one elected than the entire Republican Fail Party can.
 
2013-07-18 02:52:28 PM  

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


YOUR HOOK IS GOLD PLATED WITH PLATINUM HIGHLIGHTS SIR.
 
2013-07-18 02:53:25 PM  

Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety


Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety
 
2013-07-18 02:53:53 PM  

Vectron: Just when we thought a Republican president could never get elected again, Eric Holder does more to get one elected and expand the policies of the previous Republican President,  than the entire Republican Fail Party can.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 02:54:45 PM  

keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.
 
2013-07-18 02:56:19 PM  

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting to be TRULY successful, you need to get BOTH groups worked into a frenzy of hatred, and so far the white folks just aren't there.

And that is why Obama and Holder know that there is work yet to be done.
 
2013-07-18 02:56:53 PM  

hp6sa: To be fair, she wasn't a mannequin when he was around.  Because of true love or something.

/Now that I have realized I retained that knowledge, I'll go kill myself


Ok once I correct you I will join you.
She could only come to life if it was just him alone with her... because of true love or someshiat.

Now how shall we pass into the clearing at the end of the road?
 
2013-07-18 02:57:42 PM  

X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety


I think he's saying the drink wasn't, in fact, tea at all.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/arizona-fruit-juice-cocktail/ID=prod 6 020318-product">http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/arizona-fruit-juice- cocktail/ID=prod6 020318-product
 
2013-07-18 02:57:58 PM  

X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety


Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."
 
2013-07-18 02:58:57 PM  

keenerb: Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


I'll add that there are exceptions to that rule in the sense that the Federal government has access to evidence that the state did not, but in a case like this the chance of that is right around 0%.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:22 PM  

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.


I find that believable.  I wondered how the hell that double jeopardy loophole worked, it didn't make sense that the feds could re-file on same charges that were acquitted at the state level.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:29 PM  

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."


I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:39 PM  

keenerb: Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


Federal government doesn't have standing to press murder or manslaughter charges.  Neither person was a federal employee, and it didn't happen on federal property.
 
2013-07-18 03:00:13 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


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2013-07-18 03:00:40 PM  

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


You also left out, the prosecution and/or the district attorney's office attempting to hide evidence and then firing the whistle blower who handed it over to the defense team
 
2013-07-18 03:01:02 PM  

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.


Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.
 
2013-07-18 03:02:56 PM  

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.


Kidnapping is not a federal crime unless the person kidnapped is taken across state lines or held for more than 24 hours (at which point it is assumed they have crossed state lines).
 
2013-07-18 03:03:14 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.


Some of us think it's a waste of time because the only evidence for the commission of a hate crime was for the racist, homophobic assault committed by Trayvon Martin against George Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-18 03:04:29 PM  
I congratulate Eric Holder for the ability to rebrand himself.
He's gone from Eric ("my people") Holder to Eric (Duty to Retreat) Holder.
 
2013-07-18 03:06:14 PM  

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber.


Yea pretty much what i was going to type out.
 
2013-07-18 03:07:25 PM  

Cataholic: Kidnapping is not a federal crime unless the person kidnapped is taken across state lines or held for more than 24 hours (at which point it is assumed they have crossed state lines).


*Updates kidnapping plan to keep hostage within the state

Thanks!!
 
2013-07-18 03:07:48 PM  

Amos Quito: Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.


That's true, but the ham-sandwich factor applies here.  I think that given the lop-sidedness of the grand jury process, they might have been able to get an indictment for manslaughter.  It certainly wasn't inevitable, but even based on the evidence, it was a distinct possibility.  The local DA didn't do it, though, probably because the case, based on what he saw, would have been a loser.

What actually happened, though, is that the special prosecutor side-stepped the process to file murder 2 charges.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:08 PM  

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


Good luck arguing aggravated manslaughter.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:16 PM  
I wonder if the sale of black male Real Dolls has increased since the trial.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:55 PM  

NorCalLos: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.


It is possible but highly unlikely. Any witness who came forward that lived in the area already has been interviewed by the police and FBI at least once (remember the FBI already did an investigation). Their credibility would be shot if they suddenly had new information that could be lead to a conviction.

The best chance for new evidence in this case would be if the NSA came forward with a full copy of the Martin/Jeantel phone call. I'd say the odds of that happening are about as likely as Snowden getting invited to thanksgiving dinner with Obama.
 
2013-07-18 03:09:39 PM  

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.


You heard wrong.
 
2013-07-18 03:09:59 PM  

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


Hahahahaha You must get the Sharpton newsletter because everything you just said was proven incorrect by testimony in court. Please educate yourself before commenting again.. or don't everyone needs a good laugh.
 
2013-07-18 03:13:09 PM  

redmid17: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.


Testimony at trial, the HOA didn't want him. The police did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-n ei ghbourhood-watch

And it was Zimmerman, without the blessings of his HOA, that started his own private neighborhood watch program.
Where he could be the captain...
 
2013-07-18 03:14:38 PM  

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh? And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:04 PM  
How well do you have to prosecute for it to be even single jeopardy?
Sham trials are the whole reason that federal civil rights trials aren't double jeopardy.
In this case, it isn't intentional failure. It is failure because they are Floridinians. The overall effect is the same.

He should be tried for manslaughter at the federal level with competent attorneys.

/wishes he was serious.
//Florida law is the real problem.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:21 PM  

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.

Testimony at trial, the HOA didn't want him. The police did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-n ei ghbourhood-watch

And it was Zimmerman, without the blessings of his HOA, that started his own private neighborhood watch program.
Where he could be the captain...


That doesn't support what you said, frankly neither does the article.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:29 PM  

dittybopper: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

You heard wrong.


I presented it wrong. The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch

We linked to the exact same story...
 
2013-07-18 03:18:16 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh? And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


First, you didn't account for the Reverse Vampires.  Second, I don't really have a number 2.
 
2013-07-18 03:20:00 PM  

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."


If I were a wannabe cop, I'd wanna be an undercover cop and I wouldn't want to have to go to any boring training.
 
2013-07-18 03:22:33 PM  
You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

topconservativenews.com

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?
 
2013-07-18 03:23:22 PM  

dittybopper: Amos Quito: Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

That's true, but the ham-sandwich factor applies here.  I think that given the lop-sidedness of the grand jury process, they might have been able to get an indictment for manslaughter.  It certainly wasn't inevitable, but even based on the evidence, it was a distinct possibility.  The local DA didn't do it, though, probably because the case, based on what he saw, would have been a loser.

What actually happened, though, is that the special prosecutor side-stepped the process to file murder 2 charges.



Indeed, and if you recall, the (supposed) reason that they claimed that such extraordinary measures were necessary in this case was the allegation that Sanford authorities were RACIST - and refused to press charges because the killer was white, and the "victim" was black.

What ever happened to those accusations? Why is no one continuing to press the allegations that the city of Sanford is guilty of Institutional racism?

To me it is glaringly obvious that we're being played big time here. Authoritarian Asshats are deliberately trying to divide us and set us at each others throats for their own political advantage - to weaken our unity as a PEOPLE.

Why others have such a difficult time seeing this is beyond me.


/And no, "voting the bums out" will NOT solve the "problem"
 
2013-07-18 03:23:34 PM  

Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.


Which actually had 0 to do with this case. Seriously who did Holder blow to get his job because he really seems as cluless as most of the race-baiters.
 
2013-07-18 03:24:14 PM  

NorCalLos: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

If I were a wannabe cop, I'd wanna be an undercover cop and I wouldn't want to have to go to any boring training.


I mean he already sat through the Neighborhood Watch training from Sanford PD.

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

You heard wrong.

I presented it wrong. The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch

We linked to the exact same story...


They were also pretty happy to represent the Watch program as something HOA-sanctioned when they included it in the newsletter and said he was the captain of it. There's a reason why the Martins got a settlement from the HOA already.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-matin-family-target -h omeowners-association-lawsuit-neighborhood-watch-article-1.1058522
 
2013-07-18 03:24:34 PM  

Netrngr: Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.

Which actually had 0 to do with this case. Seriously who did Holder blow to get his job because he really seems as cluless as most of the race-baiters.


It was some HSBC exec
 
2013-07-18 03:25:52 PM  

Netrngr: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

Hahahahaha You must get the Sharpton newsletter because everything you just said was proven incorrect by testimony in court. Please educate yourself before commenting again.. or don't everyone needs a good laugh.


That's weird because almost everything I said was a counter-factual. It's impossible to prove that it's incorrect.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:08 PM  

Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?


That HAS to be a fake.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:29 PM  

Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]


That is funny.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:48 PM  

fireclown: Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?

That HAS to be a fake.



I agree. Funny, though!!!!
 
2013-07-18 03:29:30 PM  

fireclown: Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?

That HAS to be a fake.


I suppose they're just playing off the "Like black people NEED a reason to not tip" angle.
 
2013-07-18 03:29:42 PM  
If the feds thought they had a civil rights case against GZ they have had a year and a half to bring it. Bring it before the verdict. Dont wait until after you get an unpopular verdict to start that up. They wouldn't even be discussing this if he had been found guilty. It isn't double jeopardy but it seems like a way around it. I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.
 
2013-07-18 03:29:45 PM  

X-boxershorts: The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch


It wasn't so much that they didn't want him, it's that, according to the president of the HOA, they didn't know about it:

"I found out there was a course he went through with the Sanford police department to start a watch. It was totally separate from the HOA, we had nothing to do with altogether," he said.
"He went to the police, he got this whole thing started, it was his programme so he was running it."


He found out.  It's not like Zimmerman asked them first, and they said no.

And quite frankly, I wouldn't want a HOA running the neighborhood watch anyway.
 
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