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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-07-18 02:05:24 PM

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


You should have pitched that to the prosecution  before the trial started. I'm sure they could have used your expertise.
 
2013-07-18 02:05:33 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.


George Sr.: Don't worry, Michael. [conspiratorial whisper] They can't convict a husband and wife for the same crime!
Michael: Yeah, that's not true. At all.
George Sr.: Really? ...I have the worst f*ing attorneys.

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A civil suit is not a "Civil Rights" suit. The lawsuit folks are advocating is that the Martin Family files civil suit (ie. "I'll sue you!") against Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son, the loss of Treyvon's contributions to the Martin family, the resulting pain & suffering, etc. If they won such a case it would be a financial penalty to the Zimmerman, not a jaily one.

Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.


I don't know who you think you're explaining something to; but it isn't me.
 
2013-07-18 02:06:04 PM
 
2013-07-18 02:07:39 PM

MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!


who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.
 
2013-07-18 02:07:57 PM

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


In other news, beating the living shiat out of "creepy-ass crackers" is the "Civil Right" of all minority teens.

How dare George Zimmerman deprive  Trayvon Martin of his Civil Rights?
 
2013-07-18 02:09:24 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

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Still would.
 
2013-07-18 02:10:28 PM
 
2013-07-18 02:10:32 PM
Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?
 
2013-07-18 02:11:05 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's no ...



Hmmmmm.  Seems like Jentel could be charged with a hate crime, for implying that the Creepy-ass Cracker was really a Ass-crack Creeper, and goading Trayvon to dispense some whoop ass.
 
2013-07-18 02:11:12 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


He only targeted TM because TM was black, he wouldn't have even slowed down if it had been a white child.
 
2013-07-18 02:12:39 PM
When the NAACP said that they had a petition on their website saying that Holder should file civil rights charges against Zimmerman, I thought that was kind of bizarre as whether or not charges get filed should depend on the facts, not a popularity contest.

/doesn't sound like there's enough for federal charges
//there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it
 
2013-07-18 02:13:08 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?


Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.
 
2013-07-18 02:13:24 PM

WhyKnot: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

He only targeted TM because TM was black, he wouldn't have even slowed down if it had been a white child.


If Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would already be on death row.
 
2013-07-18 02:17:00 PM
Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.
 
2013-07-18 02:18:03 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


In that case I eagerly await Holder to bring out the scales of justice...
 
2013-07-18 02:18:09 PM

Befuddled: When the NAACP said that they had a petition on their website saying that Holder should file civil rights charges against Zimmerman, I thought that was kind of bizarre as whether or not charges get filed should depend on the facts, not a popularity contest.

/doesn't sound like there's enough for federal charges
//there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it


You mean the grand jury hearing they had on Twitter?
 
2013-07-18 02:18:56 PM

Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it


There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.
 
2013-07-18 02:19:34 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


Then I eagerly wait for Holder to bring out the scales of justice...
 
2013-07-18 02:19:50 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.

In that case I eagerly await Holder to bring out the scales of justice...


Keep an eye on his thumb.
 
2013-07-18 02:20:04 PM

koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.


That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted? Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-18 02:20:08 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


Of whom are you an alt?
 
2013-07-18 02:20:11 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?


The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.
 
2013-07-18 02:21:34 PM

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!
 
2013-07-18 02:21:37 PM

NorCalLos: koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.


Let me try that again.

That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free are whilte and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted--mostly black/latino/other (but mostly black)? Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-18 02:22:01 PM
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2013-07-18 02:22:47 PM
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2013-07-18 02:24:23 PM

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RIP ANDREW MCCARTHY


Back in her Indigo mom, Chrystal kids days. Before she was killing kids.
 
2013-07-18 02:24:59 PM

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


They can't do that either since the state included a request for conviction of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the charges against him.  Attempting to do so is double jeopardy.  They would have to file a completely different kind of charge, like violating a federal hate crime.
 
2013-07-18 02:25:08 PM

Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.


Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.
 
2013-07-18 02:26:58 PM
Mother effin' INTERNET DENTISTRY!
 
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM

OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.


Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
 
2013-07-18 02:29:16 PM

Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.



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Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?
 
2013-07-18 02:30:22 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.


Exactly, but, much like the idea that this was racially motivated despite facts of the case revealing no racial motivation, it really doesn't matter to those that ignore fact and will be looked at as a case involving stand your ground.
 
2013-07-18 02:30:43 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-18 02:30:46 PM

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?
 
2013-07-18 02:31:04 PM

keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!


Not just iced tea, ARIZONA Iced Tea.

Trayvon was actively engaged in interstate commerce.

Federal Case Justified.
 
2013-07-18 02:31:05 PM

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.
 
2013-07-18 02:31:13 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


Kind of like being followed for walking down the street. I say, welcome to the world you wanted, George.
 
2013-07-18 02:32:11 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Drink

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Ahhhh BOCK

/beats the Kool-Aid every time.
 
2013-07-18 02:32:16 PM

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

They can't do that either since the state included a request for conviction of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the charges against him.  Attempting to do so is double jeopardy.  They would have to file a completely different kind of charge, like violating a federal hate crime.


Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Here's a lot of words on it that I can't be bothered to read at the moment.

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1961&context = ulj">http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1961&co ntext= ulj
 
2013-07-18 02:33:19 PM

X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.


Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:44 PM

DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.



What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:44 PM

Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?


I have been assured by numerous individuals that Mr. Zimmerman should have been convicted solely upon the basis of unproved speculation. Unfortunately, both state prosecutors and the presiding judge neglected to instruct the jury that baseless speculation is a legal means by which guilt may be determined. Hopefully, in federal court, this instruction will not be omitted.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:59 PM

dittybopper: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.


I have the highest confidence in our government's ability to make a federal case out of ANYTHING if they are sufficiently motivated.
 
2013-07-18 02:35:41 PM
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2013-07-18 02:36:30 PM

keenerb: dittybopper: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.

I have the highest confidence in our government's ability to make a federal case out of ANYTHING if they are sufficiently motivated and does not involve a federal agency or WH as a defendant.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 02:37:10 PM

dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.


I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.
 
2013-07-18 02:39:54 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.


A reply to a post about lies and misrepresentation with several inaccurate and ignorant facts/views.

/i love irony
 
2013-07-18 02:40:10 PM

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


The investigators blew it because they didn't bother to tear apart Zimmerman's bullshiat story when he was freely talking to the cops. The police investigators accepted his obviously bullshiat story. Then during the trial, that's all there was and the prosecution stupidly allowed it into evidence. Zimmerman got to basically testify in his own defense without having to be cross-examined.
 
2013-07-18 02:42:03 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.


Every tragedy isn't criminal. Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety. If you're going to talk about someone's stupidity at least get the details right
 
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