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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-07-18 12:27:05 PM
Drink

blogs.dallasobserver.com
 
2013-07-18 12:39:04 PM
Put him in GTMO.
 
2013-07-18 12:50:59 PM
I can see why he specifically uses Andrew C. McCarthy in his byline.

Whatever happened to that dude, anyway? I had a serious crush on him in my teen years...*off to GIS*

xfinity.comcast.net

He aged nicely! Crush still in place!
 
2013-07-18 01:24:28 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Whatever happened to that dude, anyway?


Looks like if nothing else, he's at least still working regularly. That's good.
 
2013-07-18 01:30:03 PM
How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.
 
2013-07-18 01:31:18 PM
Kwame?
 
2013-07-18 01:31:42 PM
Wait! Did CNN get something right?
 
2013-07-18 01:31:58 PM
Sick of hearing about it all.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:18 PM
I thought we got rid of McCarthyism back in the fifties.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:23 PM
Gotta love double jeopardy.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:41 PM
Nothing's Gonna Stop Him Now
 
2013-07-18 01:38:05 PM

machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.


It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:15 PM
You would of. Admit it.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-18 01:38:45 PM

neversubmit: Wait! Did CNN get something right?


No, at least their app doesn't. I was at a Jimmy Buffett concert Tuesday and I got a news alert that jurors were entering their second day of deliberation.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:55 PM
Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:56 PM

odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.


A civil rights case is a criminal case.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:57 PM
Umm, subby, in his first movie Andrew McCarthy did Jaqueline Bissett in the Water Tower Place elevator.
 
2013-07-18 01:39:14 PM
Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®
 
2013-07-18 01:39:32 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

[i.imgur.com image 375x293]


And.... done.
 
2013-07-18 01:41:05 PM

odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.


Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.
 
2013-07-18 01:43:31 PM

flak attack: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

A civil rights case is a criminal case.


redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


Ah, thanks. All this time I've been reading it as a civil case. I guess I should pay closer attention. But I won't.
 
2013-07-18 01:44:15 PM

neversubmit: Wait! Did CNN get something right?


In that the headline accurately reflects the opinion of an NRO contributor? Sure.
 
2013-07-18 01:44:38 PM

odinsposse: flak attack: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

A civil rights case is a criminal case.

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.

Ah, thanks. All this time I've been reading it as a civil case. I guess I should pay closer attention. But I won't.


Ah the signs of a long-time jaded Farker!
 
2013-07-18 01:46:55 PM
Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime
 
2013-07-18 01:48:06 PM
Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!
 
2013-07-18 01:48:12 PM

NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®


I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.
 
2013-07-18 01:48:19 PM
it is extremely inappropriate for law enforcement officials, particularly the U.S. attorney general, to engage in a running extrajudicial commentary that taints the jury pool and ratchets up the investigative anxiety for a citizen who is presumed innocent

That didn't stop President Hussein from running his yap before the trial, did it? I guess that explains why he graduated as head of Harvard Law Review and then never practiced.
 
2013-07-18 01:48:42 PM

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


Yes; but dude was right that it isn't "double jeopardy."

www.mentalfloss.com
 
2013-07-18 01:49:28 PM
www.kvia.com
Time for a sexy party.
 
2013-07-18 01:49:32 PM

cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime


Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.
 
2013-07-18 01:50:58 PM
To be fair, she wasn't a mannequin when he was around.  Because of true love or something.

/Now that I have realized I retained that knowledge, I'll go kill myself
 
2013-07-18 01:51:49 PM

redmid17: Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here.


The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:13 PM

NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.


That referred to civil suits brought by the Martin family. If the feds decide to invent some charges, it's technically not the same crime.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:24 PM

NorCalLos: redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.

Yes; but dude was right that it isn't "double jeopardy."

[www.mentalfloss.com image 300x235]


or "double jeopardy"

images.zap2it.com
 
2013-07-18 01:52:39 PM
Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions. They just typically don't bother charging you in one if your convicted in the other. Or if you commit a crime across state lines for that matter. States are considered jurisdictional in and of themselves and can individually charge you with crimes. Again its not typical, but not illegal. You can even get fun cases where one state refuses to extradite a prisoner to another.

/It potentially Russian Nesting dolls all the way down to the municipal level, but most states have statues claiming for the state level judiciary primacy of jurisdiction if they desire it.
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:42 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!



24.media.tumblr.com

"His guilt has already been established by MSNBC.  This is merely a sentencing hearing.  Death or exile?"
 
2013-07-18 01:53:03 PM

dittybopper: redmid17: Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here.

The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it.


I'm sure you said that when they invaded Pearl Harbor too!
 
2013-07-18 01:53:35 PM

Fo Shiz: Put him in GTMO.


Most of Holders crimes were against Mexican citizens, we should just extradite him.
 
2013-07-18 01:54:17 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

[i.imgur.com image 375x293]


Of what?

I would have.
 
2013-07-18 01:54:17 PM

creepy ass-cracka: NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.

That referred to civil suits brought by the Martin family. If the feds decide to invent some charges, it's technically not the same crime


What I mean is the civil suit that could be brought in Florida by anyone claiming damages for wrongful death is not automatically precluded because he was acquitted based on a self-defense argument.
 
2013-07-18 01:55:02 PM

SheltemDragon: Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions. They just typically don't bother charging you in one if your convicted in the other. Or if you commit a crime across state lines for that matter. States are considered jurisdictional in and of themselves and can individually charge you with crimes. Again its not typical, but not illegal. You can even get fun cases where one state refuses to extradite a prisoner to another.

/It potentially Russian Nesting dolls all the way down to the municipal level, but most states have statues claiming for the state level judiciary primacy of jurisdiction if they desire it.
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.


Well it's separate jurisdictions and separate crimes. AFAIK there is not a national murder or manslaughter charge that can be brought unless it involves depriving one his/her civil rights.
 
2013-07-18 01:56:15 PM

BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.


I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.
 
2013-07-18 01:57:55 PM
officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!
 
2013-07-18 01:59:30 PM

NightOwl2255: I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.


And, that is from an educated young lady with a 3.0 GPA.
 
2013-07-18 02:01:30 PM
Obviously court cases should be handled by social media. "SHARE THSI!!!!! THE JUDGE SAID IF TRAYVON MARTIN GETS 1 MILLION LIKES, HE'LL SEND GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TO THE ELECTRIC CHAIR!"
 
2013-07-18 02:02:12 PM

NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.



George Sr.: Don't worry, Michael. [conspiratorial whisper] They can't convict a husband and wife for the same crime!
Michael: Yeah, that's not true. At all.
George Sr.: Really? ...I have the worst f*ing attorneys.

i.qkme.me


A civil suit is not a "Civil Rights" suit. The lawsuit folks are advocating is that the Martin Family files civil suit (ie. "I'll sue you!") against Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son, the loss of Treyvon's contributions to the Martin family, the resulting pain & suffering, etc. If they won such a case it would be a financial penalty to the Zimmerman, not a jaily one.

Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.
 
2013-07-18 02:02:36 PM
molotovcocktailpress.files.wordpress.com

Attorney General Eric Holder calls for justice in the Trayvon Martin Case
 
2013-07-18 02:02:58 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's no ...


She's basically saying Martin beat him up because Zimmerman might have tried to butt rape him or something. Whether or not she actually told him to or not I could not ascertain either.
 
2013-07-18 02:03:34 PM
SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.
 
2013-07-18 02:04:48 PM

SheltemDragon: Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions.


Yes, but there is at least one current court case challenging that.  Probably won't get cert, but they make a good argument based upon the history of prohibitions against double jeopardy in common law that conviction or acquittal by one sovereign barred subsequent prosecution by a different sovereign, and also that early American courts understood that double jeopardy barred prosecution under the 'dual sovereign' standard.
 
2013-07-18 02:05:24 PM

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


You should have pitched that to the prosecution  before the trial started. I'm sure they could have used your expertise.
 
2013-07-18 02:05:33 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.


George Sr.: Don't worry, Michael. [conspiratorial whisper] They can't convict a husband and wife for the same crime!
Michael: Yeah, that's not true. At all.
George Sr.: Really? ...I have the worst f*ing attorneys.

[i.qkme.me image 225x254]


A civil suit is not a "Civil Rights" suit. The lawsuit folks are advocating is that the Martin Family files civil suit (ie. "I'll sue you!") against Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son, the loss of Treyvon's contributions to the Martin family, the resulting pain & suffering, etc. If they won such a case it would be a financial penalty to the Zimmerman, not a jaily one.

Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.


I don't know who you think you're explaining something to; but it isn't me.
 
2013-07-18 02:06:04 PM
 
2013-07-18 02:07:39 PM

MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!


who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.
 
2013-07-18 02:07:57 PM

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


In other news, beating the living shiat out of "creepy-ass crackers" is the "Civil Right" of all minority teens.

How dare George Zimmerman deprive  Trayvon Martin of his Civil Rights?
 
2013-07-18 02:09:24 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

[i.imgur.com image 375x293]


Still would.
 
2013-07-18 02:10:28 PM
 
2013-07-18 02:10:32 PM
Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?
 
2013-07-18 02:11:05 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's no ...



Hmmmmm.  Seems like Jentel could be charged with a hate crime, for implying that the Creepy-ass Cracker was really a Ass-crack Creeper, and goading Trayvon to dispense some whoop ass.
 
2013-07-18 02:11:12 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


He only targeted TM because TM was black, he wouldn't have even slowed down if it had been a white child.
 
2013-07-18 02:12:39 PM
When the NAACP said that they had a petition on their website saying that Holder should file civil rights charges against Zimmerman, I thought that was kind of bizarre as whether or not charges get filed should depend on the facts, not a popularity contest.

/doesn't sound like there's enough for federal charges
//there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it
 
2013-07-18 02:13:08 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?


Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.
 
2013-07-18 02:13:24 PM

WhyKnot: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

He only targeted TM because TM was black, he wouldn't have even slowed down if it had been a white child.


If Trayvon was white, Zimmerman would already be on death row.
 
2013-07-18 02:17:00 PM
Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.
 
2013-07-18 02:18:03 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


In that case I eagerly await Holder to bring out the scales of justice...
 
2013-07-18 02:18:09 PM

Befuddled: When the NAACP said that they had a petition on their website saying that Holder should file civil rights charges against Zimmerman, I thought that was kind of bizarre as whether or not charges get filed should depend on the facts, not a popularity contest.

/doesn't sound like there's enough for federal charges
//there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it


You mean the grand jury hearing they had on Twitter?
 
2013-07-18 02:18:56 PM

Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it


There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.
 
2013-07-18 02:19:34 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


Then I eagerly wait for Holder to bring out the scales of justice...
 
2013-07-18 02:19:50 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.

In that case I eagerly await Holder to bring out the scales of justice...


Keep an eye on his thumb.
 
2013-07-18 02:20:04 PM

koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.


That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted? Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-18 02:20:08 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


Of whom are you an alt?
 
2013-07-18 02:20:11 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?


The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.
 
2013-07-18 02:21:34 PM

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!
 
2013-07-18 02:21:37 PM

NorCalLos: koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.


Let me try that again.

That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free are whilte and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted--mostly black/latino/other (but mostly black)? Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-07-18 02:22:01 PM
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2013-07-18 02:22:47 PM
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2013-07-18 02:24:23 PM

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2013-07-18 02:24:59 PM

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


They can't do that either since the state included a request for conviction of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the charges against him.  Attempting to do so is double jeopardy.  They would have to file a completely different kind of charge, like violating a federal hate crime.
 
2013-07-18 02:25:08 PM

Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.


Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.
 
2013-07-18 02:26:58 PM
Mother effin' INTERNET DENTISTRY!
 
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM

OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.


Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
 
2013-07-18 02:29:16 PM

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2013-07-18 02:30:22 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Which, if I understand correctly, didn't really have anything to do with this case in the first place since Zimmerman couldn't retreat.


Exactly, but, much like the idea that this was racially motivated despite facts of the case revealing no racial motivation, it really doesn't matter to those that ignore fact and will be looked at as a case involving stand your ground.
 
2013-07-18 02:30:43 PM
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2013-07-18 02:30:46 PM

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?
 
2013-07-18 02:31:04 PM

keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!


Not just iced tea, ARIZONA Iced Tea.

Trayvon was actively engaged in interstate commerce.

Federal Case Justified.
 
2013-07-18 02:31:05 PM

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.
 
2013-07-18 02:31:13 PM

keenerb: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

Apparantly yes, but what do you expect?  It's a witch hunt.  Logic doesn't apply.


Kind of like being followed for walking down the street. I say, welcome to the world you wanted, George.
 
2013-07-18 02:32:11 PM

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Ahhhh BOCK

/beats the Kool-Aid every time.
 
2013-07-18 02:32:16 PM

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

They can't do that either since the state included a request for conviction of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the charges against him.  Attempting to do so is double jeopardy.  They would have to file a completely different kind of charge, like violating a federal hate crime.


Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Here's a lot of words on it that I can't be bothered to read at the moment.

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2013-07-18 02:33:19 PM

X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.


Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:44 PM

DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.



What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:44 PM

Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?


I have been assured by numerous individuals that Mr. Zimmerman should have been convicted solely upon the basis of unproved speculation. Unfortunately, both state prosecutors and the presiding judge neglected to instruct the jury that baseless speculation is a legal means by which guilt may be determined. Hopefully, in federal court, this instruction will not be omitted.
 
2013-07-18 02:33:59 PM

dittybopper: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.


I have the highest confidence in our government's ability to make a federal case out of ANYTHING if they are sufficiently motivated.
 
2013-07-18 02:35:41 PM
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2013-07-18 02:36:30 PM

keenerb: dittybopper: keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

How?  Neither Zimmerman nor Martin are federal employees, nor did the event happen on federal property.  Federal murder or manslaughter charges wouldn't apply.  Federal government doesn't have jurisdiction for those charges.

I have the highest confidence in our government's ability to make a federal case out of ANYTHING if they are sufficiently motivated and does not involve a federal agency or WH as a defendant.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 02:37:10 PM

dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.


I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.
 
2013-07-18 02:39:54 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.


A reply to a post about lies and misrepresentation with several inaccurate and ignorant facts/views.

/i love irony
 
2013-07-18 02:40:10 PM

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


The investigators blew it because they didn't bother to tear apart Zimmerman's bullshiat story when he was freely talking to the cops. The police investigators accepted his obviously bullshiat story. Then during the trial, that's all there was and the prosecution stupidly allowed it into evidence. Zimmerman got to basically testify in his own defense without having to be cross-examined.
 
2013-07-18 02:42:03 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.


Every tragedy isn't criminal. Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety. If you're going to talk about someone's stupidity at least get the details right
 
2013-07-18 02:42:24 PM
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2013-07-18 02:42:46 PM

Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?


I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.
 
2013-07-18 02:44:21 PM

keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!


I'm sure they would if there were such a thing as a generic federal manslaughter.  In order for the Feds to try you for such a crime, you have to have killed a federal employee, or have done the crime in federal territory (like the high seas or a military installation).
 
2013-07-18 02:44:42 PM

NorCalLos: I don't know who you think you're explaining something to; but it isn't me.


No, not aimed at you. The Bluth part was a follow-on to your comment. The rest was my understanding of the situation, shared for the benefit of all and sundry, but nobody in particular.
 
2013-07-18 02:51:18 PM
Just when we thought a Republican president could never get elected again, Eric Holder does more to get one elected than the entire Republican Fail Party can.
 
2013-07-18 02:52:28 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!


YOUR HOOK IS GOLD PLATED WITH PLATINUM HIGHLIGHTS SIR.
 
2013-07-18 02:53:25 PM

Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety


Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety
 
2013-07-18 02:53:53 PM

Vectron: Just when we thought a Republican president could never get elected again, Eric Holder does more to get one elected and expand the policies of the previous Republican President,  than the entire Republican Fail Party can.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 02:54:45 PM

keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.
 
2013-07-18 02:56:19 PM

dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.


I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting to be TRULY successful, you need to get BOTH groups worked into a frenzy of hatred, and so far the white folks just aren't there.

And that is why Obama and Holder know that there is work yet to be done.
 
2013-07-18 02:56:53 PM

hp6sa: To be fair, she wasn't a mannequin when he was around.  Because of true love or something.

/Now that I have realized I retained that knowledge, I'll go kill myself


Ok once I correct you I will join you.
She could only come to life if it was just him alone with her... because of true love or someshiat.

Now how shall we pass into the clearing at the end of the road?
 
2013-07-18 02:57:42 PM

X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety


I think he's saying the drink wasn't, in fact, tea at all.

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2013-07-18 02:57:58 PM

X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety


Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."
 
2013-07-18 02:58:57 PM

keenerb: Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


I'll add that there are exceptions to that rule in the sense that the Federal government has access to evidence that the state did not, but in a case like this the chance of that is right around 0%.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:22 PM

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.


I find that believable.  I wondered how the hell that double jeopardy loophole worked, it didn't make sense that the feds could re-file on same charges that were acquitted at the state level.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:29 PM

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."


I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.
 
2013-07-18 02:59:39 PM

keenerb: Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.


Federal government doesn't have standing to press murder or manslaughter charges.  Neither person was a federal employee, and it didn't happen on federal property.
 
2013-07-18 03:00:13 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


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2013-07-18 03:00:40 PM

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


You also left out, the prosecution and/or the district attorney's office attempting to hide evidence and then firing the whistle blower who handed it over to the defense team
 
2013-07-18 03:01:02 PM

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.


Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.
 
2013-07-18 03:02:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: keenerb: Well, all the news agencies are trying to convince me that the Federal government can prosecute murder/manslaughter charges even if acquitted at state level due to something called "dual sovereignty".

Federal charges of 2nd degree murder (or manslaughter) is apparantly NOT double jeopardy.

Dual sovereignty would permit the ability to file an additional federal charge against him, but does not permit retrying charges of the same type.  If they were to bring a charge for attempted kidnapping they would be able to do so since that is a federal crime, as is a civil rights hate crime.


Kidnapping is not a federal crime unless the person kidnapped is taken across state lines or held for more than 24 hours (at which point it is assumed they have crossed state lines).
 
2013-07-18 03:03:14 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.


Some of us think it's a waste of time because the only evidence for the commission of a hate crime was for the racist, homophobic assault committed by Trayvon Martin against George Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-18 03:04:29 PM
I congratulate Eric Holder for the ability to rebrand himself.
He's gone from Eric ("my people") Holder to Eric (Duty to Retreat) Holder.
 
2013-07-18 03:06:14 PM

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber.


Yea pretty much what i was going to type out.
 
2013-07-18 03:07:25 PM

Cataholic: Kidnapping is not a federal crime unless the person kidnapped is taken across state lines or held for more than 24 hours (at which point it is assumed they have crossed state lines).


*Updates kidnapping plan to keep hostage within the state

Thanks!!
 
2013-07-18 03:07:48 PM

Amos Quito: Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.


That's true, but the ham-sandwich factor applies here.  I think that given the lop-sidedness of the grand jury process, they might have been able to get an indictment for manslaughter.  It certainly wasn't inevitable, but even based on the evidence, it was a distinct possibility.  The local DA didn't do it, though, probably because the case, based on what he saw, would have been a loser.

What actually happened, though, is that the special prosecutor side-stepped the process to file murder 2 charges.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:08 PM

keenerb: At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.


Good luck arguing aggravated manslaughter.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:16 PM
I wonder if the sale of black male Real Dolls has increased since the trial.
 
2013-07-18 03:08:55 PM

NorCalLos: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.


It is possible but highly unlikely. Any witness who came forward that lived in the area already has been interviewed by the police and FBI at least once (remember the FBI already did an investigation). Their credibility would be shot if they suddenly had new information that could be lead to a conviction.

The best chance for new evidence in this case would be if the NSA came forward with a full copy of the Martin/Jeantel phone call. I'd say the odds of that happening are about as likely as Snowden getting invited to thanksgiving dinner with Obama.
 
2013-07-18 03:09:39 PM

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.


You heard wrong.
 
2013-07-18 03:09:59 PM

NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.


Hahahahaha You must get the Sharpton newsletter because everything you just said was proven incorrect by testimony in court. Please educate yourself before commenting again.. or don't everyone needs a good laugh.
 
2013-07-18 03:13:09 PM

redmid17: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.


Testimony at trial, the HOA didn't want him. The police did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-n ei ghbourhood-watch

And it was Zimmerman, without the blessings of his HOA, that started his own private neighborhood watch program.
Where he could be the captain...
 
2013-07-18 03:14:38 PM

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh? And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:04 PM
How well do you have to prosecute for it to be even single jeopardy?
Sham trials are the whole reason that federal civil rights trials aren't double jeopardy.
In this case, it isn't intentional failure. It is failure because they are Floridinians. The overall effect is the same.

He should be tried for manslaughter at the federal level with competent attorneys.

/wishes he was serious.
//Florida law is the real problem.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:21 PM

X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

Where did you hear that? Because Wendy Dorival offered it to him and I don't remember it in the HOA president's testimony.

Testimony at trial, the HOA didn't want him. The police did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-n ei ghbourhood-watch

And it was Zimmerman, without the blessings of his HOA, that started his own private neighborhood watch program.
Where he could be the captain...


That doesn't support what you said, frankly neither does the article.
 
2013-07-18 03:16:29 PM

dittybopper: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

You heard wrong.


I presented it wrong. The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch

We linked to the exact same story...
 
2013-07-18 03:18:16 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh? And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


First, you didn't account for the Reverse Vampires.  Second, I don't really have a number 2.
 
2013-07-18 03:20:00 PM

redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."


If I were a wannabe cop, I'd wanna be an undercover cop and I wouldn't want to have to go to any boring training.
 
2013-07-18 03:22:33 PM
You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

topconservativenews.com

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?
 
2013-07-18 03:23:22 PM

dittybopper: Amos Quito: Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

That's true, but the ham-sandwich factor applies here.  I think that given the lop-sidedness of the grand jury process, they might have been able to get an indictment for manslaughter.  It certainly wasn't inevitable, but even based on the evidence, it was a distinct possibility.  The local DA didn't do it, though, probably because the case, based on what he saw, would have been a loser.

What actually happened, though, is that the special prosecutor side-stepped the process to file murder 2 charges.



Indeed, and if you recall, the (supposed) reason that they claimed that such extraordinary measures were necessary in this case was the allegation that Sanford authorities were RACIST - and refused to press charges because the killer was white, and the "victim" was black.

What ever happened to those accusations? Why is no one continuing to press the allegations that the city of Sanford is guilty of Institutional racism?

To me it is glaringly obvious that we're being played big time here. Authoritarian Asshats are deliberately trying to divide us and set us at each others throats for their own political advantage - to weaken our unity as a PEOPLE.

Why others have such a difficult time seeing this is beyond me.


/And no, "voting the bums out" will NOT solve the "problem"
 
2013-07-18 03:23:34 PM

Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.


Which actually had 0 to do with this case. Seriously who did Holder blow to get his job because he really seems as cluless as most of the race-baiters.
 
2013-07-18 03:24:14 PM

NorCalLos: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

If I were a wannabe cop, I'd wanna be an undercover cop and I wouldn't want to have to go to any boring training.


I mean he already sat through the Neighborhood Watch training from Sanford PD.

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: redmid17: X-boxershorts: Carth: Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety

Martin was carrying the iced tea and Zimmerman's gun has an automatic hammer block safety

Martin was carrying Arizona Watermelon Fruit Drink and kel-tecs do not have an external safety. If you're holding the gun, that doesn't really count. The gun was also a 9 mm and typically CCW instructors recommend carrying with a round in the chamber. The wannabe cop also turned down a chance to be given a Sanford PD marked car, additional training, and a uniform as a "Citizen on Patrol."

I heard he was actually denied all of the above by the homeowner's association.

You heard wrong.

I presented it wrong. The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch

We linked to the exact same story...


They were also pretty happy to represent the Watch program as something HOA-sanctioned when they included it in the newsletter and said he was the captain of it. There's a reason why the Martins got a settlement from the HOA already.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-matin-family-target -h omeowners-association-lawsuit-neighborhood-watch-article-1.1058522
 
2013-07-18 03:24:34 PM

Netrngr: Bruce Campbell: Prometheus_Unbound: Didn't the FBI already investigate and find that Zimmerman didn't act out of racism?

The FBI opened a case, but suspended the investigation until the outcome of the state case was known.  It's going to be really difficult to pin a successful self-defense case as a hate crime, so I doubt they will re-open theirs.  Seems to me that most of what is being heard is attempts to placate by talking about how this isn't over, but now shifting the goal posts to addressing reformations to "stand your ground" laws.

Which actually had 0 to do with this case. Seriously who did Holder blow to get his job because he really seems as cluless as most of the race-baiters.


It was some HSBC exec
 
2013-07-18 03:25:52 PM

Netrngr: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

Hahahahaha You must get the Sharpton newsletter because everything you just said was proven incorrect by testimony in court. Please educate yourself before commenting again.. or don't everyone needs a good laugh.


That's weird because almost everything I said was a counter-factual. It's impossible to prove that it's incorrect.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:08 PM

Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?


That HAS to be a fake.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:29 PM

Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]


That is funny.
 
2013-07-18 03:27:48 PM

fireclown: Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?

That HAS to be a fake.



I agree. Funny, though!!!!
 
2013-07-18 03:29:30 PM

fireclown: Vectron: You must admit, there are some courageous activists out there.

[topconservativenews.com image 540x720]

How is this different from the other days ending in a Y?

That HAS to be a fake.


I suppose they're just playing off the "Like black people NEED a reason to not tip" angle.
 
2013-07-18 03:29:42 PM
If the feds thought they had a civil rights case against GZ they have had a year and a half to bring it. Bring it before the verdict. Dont wait until after you get an unpopular verdict to start that up. They wouldn't even be discussing this if he had been found guilty. It isn't double jeopardy but it seems like a way around it. I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.
 
2013-07-18 03:29:45 PM

X-boxershorts: The HOA didn't want him, he formed his own neighborhood watch


It wasn't so much that they didn't want him, it's that, according to the president of the HOA, they didn't know about it:

"I found out there was a course he went through with the Sanford police department to start a watch. It was totally separate from the HOA, we had nothing to do with altogether," he said.
"He went to the police, he got this whole thing started, it was his programme so he was running it."


He found out.  It's not like Zimmerman asked them first, and they said no.

And quite frankly, I wouldn't want a HOA running the neighborhood watch anyway.
 
2013-07-18 03:34:21 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.


Edukashun, how duz it werk?
 
2013-07-18 03:34:34 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.


They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.
 
2013-07-18 03:38:02 PM

Carth: X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.

Every tragedy isn't criminal. Also Martin wasn't drinking iced tea and Zimmerman's gun didn't even have a safety. If you're going to talk about someone's stupidity at least get the details right


It doesn't have a safety but the trigger has a really heavy draw. If you want to shoot something you've got to put a little effort into it with that gun.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:28 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


This isn't entirely correct:

Individuals found to be justified in using deadly force may be immune from civil liability under Florida law. If the family sues and loses, it might be ordered to pay attorneys' fees and compensation to defendants, according to state law.
Zimmerman would have to establish immunity in a separate proceeding, Tamara F. Lawson, a professor at the St. Thomas University School of Law, said in a phone interview.
"In any potential subsequent civil case, the court would have to rule if he's entitled to civil immunity," she said.
Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in Miami, said Martin's family can sue because Zimmerman didn't seek a hearing under the state's self-defense law before he was tried.
 
2013-07-18 03:39:30 PM

Amos Quito: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

I disagree.

Had there been enough to indict for manslaughter, Sanford authorities would have brought charges, but they didn't, they stood fast, even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure brought to bear from State and Federal authorities (including Obama and Holder), and refused to press charges.

Why? Because they "hate kneegrowes"? No, because they knew damn well that they lacked the evidence to win a conviction. They had no case.

But the pressure from the race-baiting haters continued - with Obama, Holder and gaggles of politicians and other public figures fanning the flames.

"All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...


I agree. One thing, you meant biased for the Prosecution, not against, right?
 
2013-07-18 03:41:15 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amos Quito: "All we want is for Trayvon to have his day in court!!" they cried, "This boy deserves a chance at justice! Let a jury decide whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty!" they chanted.

Oh really?

Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

So why are Holder, Obama, the NAACP and the rest of the race-baiters continuing to fan the flames? Because this was NEVER about Zimmerman and Martin, the whole charade was a sham designed to create interracial tension, mistrust, and hatred - and it has been marginally successful - but these race-baiters won't have TRULY succeeded unless they can whip the disgruntled masses into some good old fashioned riots - including mass acts of arson, looting, assault and (if possible) murder.

Why?

Because in order for race-baiting ...



DROxINxTHExWIND:  LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND:  And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.
 
2013-07-18 03:41:29 PM

Igor Jakovsky: It isn't double jeopardy but it seems like a way around it.


Actually, there is a good case to be made that it would be double jeopardy.  Apparently, the whole "dual sovereign" doctrine which allows federal and state prosecutions for the same crime dates to a case in 1852 about prosecution of the Fugitive Slave Laws, and who was the Chief Justice?  None other than the infamous Roger B. Taney.

Prior to Moore v. Illinois, it was understood that prosecution under one sovereign barred prosecution for the same acts under a different one.

/Just learned that recently.
 
2013-07-18 03:41:53 PM

NorCalLos: koder: Considering this country (used to) revolve(s) around the notion that 99 guilty men should go free if it means 1 innocent is spared wrongful imprisonment, people who are pissed off should really stfu.

/yes. really. stfu. you're not helping. you're making it worse, and prosecutors will respond accordingly.

That's great, but what if the vast majority of the 99 who go free and there are a hell of a lot more than one innocent who are actually convicted? Your argument is invalid.


Please repost in english.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:24 PM

I_C_Weener: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x419]

"His guilt has already been established by MSNBC.  This is merely a sentencing hearing.  Death or exile?"



You choose death?

OK, then -- death by exile!
 
2013-07-18 03:45:02 PM

sethen320: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, eve


Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.
 
2013-07-18 03:49:09 PM

NorCalLos: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

This isn't entirely correct:

Individuals found to be justified in using deadly force may be immune from civil liability under Florida law. If the family sues and loses, it might be ordered to pay attorneys' fees and compensation to defendants, according to state law.
Zimmerman would have to establish immunity in a separate proceeding, Tamara F. Lawson, a professor at the St. Thomas University School of Law, said in a phone interview.
"In any potential subsequent civil case, the court would have to rule if he's entitled to civil immunity," she said.
Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in Miami, said Martin's family can sue because Zimmerman didn't seek a hearing under the state's self-defense law before he was tried.


It's my understanding that if he wanted to, he could still seek a hearing to bar civil suits, and of course having won an acquittal in criminal court would bolster his case.

But I don't think the Martin family will sue, because if they actually lose, they have to pay.   I can't see them risking it, not when they could potentially be in the hole for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If Zimmerman's attorneys could show a pattern of the Martin family and their lawyers presenting deliberately misleading information to the public in order to influence public opinion against George Zimmerman, and I think there is a case to be made that they can show such a pattern, he'd have a pretty good case.
 
2013-07-18 03:50:15 PM

Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.


She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).
 
2013-07-18 03:50:35 PM

MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]
Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?


no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...
 
2013-07-18 03:51:38 PM

Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, eve ...


It sounds to me like she's saying the defense exaggerated the severity of violence inflicted upon Zimmerman for the purpose of justifying the killing as self-defense.
 
2013-07-18 03:54:19 PM

Dimensio: creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!

Of whom are you an alt?


" 'dro in the wind "

/kidding
//I'm not an alt
 
2013-07-18 03:54:34 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


Or people who believe in doing their civil duty instead of trying their best to worm out of it.
 
2013-07-18 03:54:37 PM

NorCalLos: Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for ...


Then why did she bring up the rapist part?
 
2013-07-18 03:55:42 PM
stellarossa:  Amos Quito: Well, they got their trial, with evidence and witness testimony all in full view of anyone and everyone who cared to tune in, and while no one seems to be arguing that the trial was poorly conducted - that incriminating evidence was unjustly excluded, or that the judge was biased against the prosecution, they're not "happy" with the jury's decision.

Because in order for race-baiting ...

I agree. One thing, you meant biased for the Prosecution, not against, right?



Clarification: I said that no one is accusing the judge of biased against the prosecution.

IMO, if the judge was biased at all, that bias decidedly favored the prosecution - particularly in her refusal to admit Trayvon's texts (regarding fighting, guns, etc) - which prosecutors deliberately concealed from the defense counsel until well into the proceedings.

That was nasty.
 
2013-07-18 03:56:00 PM

dittybopper: NorCalLos: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

It's my understanding that if he wanted to, he could still seek a hearing to bar civil suits, and of course having won an acquittal in criminal court would bolster his case.

But I don't think the Martin family will sue, because if they actually lose, they have to pay.   I can't see them risking it, not when they could potentially be in the hole for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.

If Zimmerman's attorneys could show a pattern of the Martin family and their lawyers presenting deliberately misleading information to the public in order to influence public opinion against George Zimmerman, and I think there is a case to be made that they can show such a pattern, he'd have a pretty good case.


Yes; he could still seek a hearing. I don't know whether the disposition of the criminal case is considered or not. The wording in the article I quoted said he may be immune...if kiling was justified, which to me sounds like a different standard than "found not guilty of manslaughter/2nd degree murder." BUT, I don't know what the text of the actual law or the legal definitions of those terms in the statute.
 
2013-07-18 03:56:34 PM

redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).



I also heard she had that 3.0 GPA. That's pretty impressive considering how tough schools grade these days.
 
2013-07-18 03:57:23 PM

Dimensio: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I have been assured by numerous individuals that Mr. Zimmerman should have been convicted solely upon the basis of unproved speculation. Unfortunately, both state prosecutors and the presiding judge neglected to instruct the jury that baseless speculation is a legal means by which guilt may be determined. Hopefully, in federal court, this instruction will not be omitted.

Because its a good thing that you should be required to prove your innocence instead of the other way around right? *boggle* Are you positive this is the way you want our legal system to work or is this just you showing outrage for the cause d'jour?
 
2013-07-18 03:58:39 PM

redmid17: NorCalLos: Day that will live in Infamy: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a ...


To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.
 
2013-07-18 03:59:58 PM

NorCalLos: This isn't entirely correct:


Not entirely incorrect at all.  But it was about one thing: they can bring suit, and all Zimmerman would have to do is file motion to dismiss pointing to the findings in the case for which the defendant was already acquitted and on the basis of Florida Statute 776.012.  Unless the plaintiff attorney can sway a judge that it wasn't self defense, then there is no case, and, if there was any evidence that it wasn't 776.012, then he would have been convicted on at least one of the lesser included charges.  There is a reason Crump didn't file one against him to begin with as he knew if he was acquitted on the grounds of self defense, not only does he lose his contingency, the Martin family loses money and may have a malpractice claim against him.
 
2013-07-18 04:02:04 PM
X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012



sadhillnews.com
 
2013-07-18 04:03:51 PM

NorCalLos: Yes; he could still seek a hearing. I don't know whether the disposition of the criminal case is considered or not. The wording in the article I quoted said he may be immune...if kiling was justified, which to me sounds like a different standard than "found not guilty of manslaughter/2nd degree murder." BUT, I don't know what the text of the actual law or the legal definitions of those terms in the statute.


The civil and criminal immunity statute is shared:

776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-
(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

So the only way he could be found civilly liable is if he didn't act in self defense.
 
2013-07-18 04:04:46 PM
"The country is Balkanized, with an array of armed groups controlling different areas. The government retains its grip on the capital and has been solidifying its control over a string of major cities to the north. Rebel groups hold large swaths of land in the country's north and east, though they are far from unified, with militias competing for resources, imposing their own laws and sometimes turning their guns on one another."

Oh wait, this is Syria they're talking about.
 
2013-07-18 04:08:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.
 
2013-07-18 04:10:27 PM

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012


[sadhillnews.com image 250x201]


Are people back to the DOJ organized rallies for Trayvon BS already?
 
2013-07-18 04:10:54 PM

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: X-boxershorts: OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.

Public outrage that turned out to be *WRONG*, because it was based upon lies and misrepresentations.

I don't know if outrage can be right or wrong...it's driven by the information at hand.

But the death of a teenager armed with iced tea and skittles at the hand of a wannabe cop with a 40cal and a round in the chamber with the safety off is one of those things that sometimes drives public outrage.

It may not have been criminal but it was damn sure negligent cowardice and stupidity that brought about the death of this kid.

Seriously? Did you people even listen to what evidence was presented? The gun HAS NO SAFETY to be on or off. Hell everyone I know keeps a round in the chamber including most military and police officers. But I agree except it was on both of their behalf.
 
2013-07-18 04:16:06 PM

This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.


It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."
 
2013-07-18 04:16:56 PM

Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]
Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?

no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...



encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com aw, hell yes!

//hot
 
2013-07-18 04:18:57 PM

OnlyM3: X-boxershorts [TotalFark]
2013-07-18 02:27:54 PM


OnlyM3: How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.

Politics didn't force the state case you idjit...public outrage did.
Sure it did, sure it did.
A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by racist activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

The Community Relations Service (CRS), a unit of DOJ, reported expenses related to its deployment in Sanford to help manage protests between March and April 2012


[sadhillnews.com image 250x201]


The assistance DoJ provided was not in organizing protests but in keeping the protests peaceful. You should read the actual DoJ documents, I have. And that cheap photoshop you posted just confirms that you're an impressionable fool.
 
2013-07-18 04:20:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.

It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."


I could get a lot of mileage out of that quote. I'll have to try (unsuccesfully) to remember it.
 
2013-07-18 04:27:31 PM

MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: Sofa King Smart: MOGGEE: [officiouslittleprick.files.wordpress.com image 274x190] [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 276x183]
"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!

who was the babe who borrowed the keys to Bernie's boat... hopefully young Mr McCarthy banged that 'actress' back in the day... I mean... helped her with her 'career'.


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]
Was it Catherine Mary Stewart?

no she was the 'girlfriend'... the girl who borrowed the keys to the boat was 'Tawny' in the credits...  Eloise Broady... now Eloise DeJoria... (I looked on IMDB)...


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 194x259] [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 301x167] [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 201x250] aw, hell yes!

//hot



encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
in fact, she married a Texas shampoo billionare!
 
2013-07-18 04:33:17 PM
OK OK, you might not believe me, but:  I take personal credit for this guy putting the "c" in his name.  Back in the day when he started out and I used to post on Free Republic I would post the actors picture in every single thread on one of this guy's articles.  After a few months he started putting the "c" in his byline.

/true story
 
2013-07-18 04:40:22 PM

NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.


Gaybashing isn't glib.
 
2013-07-18 04:41:04 PM

Bruce Campbell: This text is now purple: What's he got to lose? It's not like black people can hate him more.

It is similar to the cases I have seen where the insurance company providing insurance for a tractor/trailer has sued the estate of an individual who committed suicide by stepping in front of a truck for the $2500 in damages to the truck.  They are legally within the right to do it, but it's bad form from a PR standpoint.  To pull out an Alinsky quote, it "rubs raw the sores of discontent."


There was a fark thread a little while back where a kid accidentally drove into a train crossing (with no guards that come down) and got hit by the train. It killed the kid and partially derailed the train. The company that owns the train is suing the kids family for 500k for repairs to the train and track.

Kind of a dick move imo.
 
2013-07-18 04:46:15 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.


I must've missed the part about gaybashing.
 
2013-07-18 04:52:37 PM
 
2013-07-18 04:56:43 PM

Amos Quito: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND: And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my  subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.



Well sir, your first mistake is the intellectually lazy grouping of black people who you consider "black leaders". Oddly, President Barack Obama and Eric Holder seem to be the only two people in his administration who are hell-bent on pushing this black agenda that you all dreamed up. I guess powerful black men are scary. The funny thing is that you put Al Sharpton's name ahead of them both. Look, don't blame us when the majority white media runs to Al Sharpton every time a black person skins their knee. I can't control what comes out of that clowns mouth anymore than you can notrol Fred Phelps. Difference is, i don't assume that you believe what Phelps believes because you're the same skin color.

Your second error is creating a pulled-straight-from-the-ass justification of your problem with those men. You're not smarter than me, champ. So, there is no nefarious plan to manipulate me that only you can see. The justice system was farked long before anyone ever heard of Obama or Holder.  I do believe that Zimmerman should have been punished for creating the situation that led to a childs death.

The major injustice is not that the jury decided there was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty. The real issue that I have with all of this shiat is that we never got to see the George Zimmerman trial because people were too busy with the Trayvon Martin trial. We still live in a country where people will assasinate the character of a 17 year old murder victim to further their idiotic preconceived notions about minorities. I believe that the generalizations about what kind of person Trayvon was helped to keep his killer free. The defense team used fear of black people (showing a shirtless picture of Trayvon with a grille) to justify homicide...and it worked.
 
2013-07-18 05:00:14 PM

Vectron: sethen320: NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for eve ...


What 3 languages? Hoodrat,ghetto, and 6th grade?
 
2013-07-18 05:00:54 PM

BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.


You're not gonna get away with those statements here, Buster. It doesn't fit the FarkLibtard narrative.
 
2013-07-18 05:01:17 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.

I must've missed the part about gaybashing.

PIERS MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?

RACHEL JEANTEL: Yes.

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.

Jeantel also addressed the gay rapist theory later in the interview:

RACHEL JEANTEL: "People need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracka going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother is there. Mind you I told you, I told Trayvon, [Zimmerman] might have been a rapist."


Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.
 
2013-07-18 05:07:45 PM

NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.


I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.
 
2013-07-18 05:09:15 PM
I had a funny thought. If Martin had lived and Zimmerman died, the same arguments for self defense would have still applied. He was pursued by a person with a history of violence in the middle of the night... Who then confronted him on a path. I'm sure Martin could just as easily have said Zimmerman started the fight, just as Zimmerman claims Martin started the fight.

In any case, both of them were farking stupid. Somehow I've never been in a fight in my adult life. Yet these two managed to create a deadly one in a suburb.

I hope I never hear of Zimmerman again, but I have a feeling that, like OJ, he's going to find a way to end up in prison sooner or later.

A further trial is pointless because there isn't any evidence to bring to change the outcome.
 
2013-07-18 05:20:55 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.


Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.
 
2013-07-18 05:25:34 PM

Netrngr: MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for eve ...

What 3 languages? Hoodrat,ghetto, and 6th grade?



Here's the thing about Piers.  He says she's "bright". It is a white liberal hypocrisy.

What if it that was the way his daughter turned out? He would have been freaking out and calling in specialists testing to find out about her obvious learning disabilities. If it was his daughter she would be considered to have what they call now an "intellectual disability".  Mental retardation.  I bet his kids are 40 IQ points ahead of her.
 
2013-07-18 05:27:28 PM

Amos Quito: keenerb: dittybopper: Befuddled: there was enough for manslaughter but the police and prosecution blew it

There was enough to *INDICT* for manslaughter, but not enough to convict.  It's not about the police and prosecution "blowing it", it's about there not being any evidence at all that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

It wouldn't surprise me at all for the Florida trial to be a "dry run" for the federal prosecution.

At this point, the Feds know that the case for 2nd degree murder is very weak, so they will go for something along the lines of manslaughter.

After all, those Skittles were probably shipped across state lines, so instant Commerce Act grounds for federal charges!

Not just iced tea, ARIZONA Iced Tea Watermelon juice, to go along with his Skittles and Robitussin DM, to make his Purple Drank when he got home.

Trayvon was actively engaged in interstate commerce.

Federal Case Justified.


FTFY
 
2013-07-18 05:29:21 PM
My two cents:

This case was twisted and turned by the media to make it so sensational that most of us had no idea what was going on until the trial started.  And honestly, that's the biggest crime in this, in my point of view, is that a man was attacked and ended up in a situation where he was forced to defend himself.  Martin got away, he got home, then returned to confront Zimmerman.  Had he not returned he would still be alive today.  But that wasn't explained until the trial.  Until the trial it was Martin was this kind sweet innocent kid who was gunned down.  The media hasn't stopped yet either.  Yesterday I was in the interview process for this one job and they had CNN on in the breakroom and they were talking about the Zimmerman case in a way that sounded like Zimmerman got away with murder.  No, Zimmerman got away with self defense.  The moment Martin returned and attacked Zimmerman, Martin entered the wrong.  One thing they asked was "How can this one mother fire a warning shot, harm no one and end up facing 20 years in prison while Zimmerman kills a minor and walks?"  Gee ignorant news lady, Zimmerman was defending himself and the woman fired a weapon from a residence at another person.  Firing a weapon from a residence is a felony in several states, unless it is self defense.  And honestly, it couldn't have been self defense if there was a warning shot.  Warning shots are retarded things to begin with.  Your warning is that you have a gun and your potential attacker sees it.  I would honestly love to see Zimmerman sue the news media for basically accusing him of murder before the trial even began (giving that you can sue for physical or financial harm, plastering your name and picture all over the news websites as a child killer is going to prevent you from getting work later on if found not guilty, thus, the financial harm).

As for this bit about a Federal case against Zimmerman?  He was found not guilty by way of self defense.  Where is the Federal case in this?  You can use lethal force to defend yourself on the state level but can still face federal prosecution if the powers that be choose it?  And honestly, the only reason why it's being raised is mob justice by those who don't want Zimmerman to walk.  By those who think he did it out of racism or because Martin was a minor when he was killed.  This could lead to a precedent where self defense is no longer a blanket "If you are attacked, you have the right to use lethal force to defend yourself" to "You can't defend yourself if your attacker is a minor."  or "You can't defend yourself if you're white and your attacker is a minority."  Laws that put adults into dangerous situations where if they are attacked by a 16 year old, they have no recourse but to be attacked and hope they aren't killed.  And putting teens into the situation of knowing that they can attack without the adult defending themselves, but the victim can still call the police and file a report...unless you kill your victim.  And even worse, a precedent that leads to a whites can't lethally defend themselves in an attack by a minor is pretty much a racist law that makes white people a bigger target because if they defend themselves in an attack, they can still face federal prosecution for killing a minority.

Years ago I read this story about by an Admiral in the Navy about Sheep, Sheep dogs and Wolves.  The wolves are out to eat the sheep.  The sheep dogs are out to protect the sheep and the sheep don't want the reminders that there are wolves and see sheep dogs are reminders that there are wolves, so they seek to get rid of the sheep dogs so they can continue to believe that there are no wolves.  Congress has a high number of sheep.  Federally prosecuting Zimmerman is going to force sheep dogs to become sheep or wolves.  This won't do a damn thing to actually go after wolves, just criminalize being a sheep dog.  And when you look at people like Feinstein, you realize that their goal is just that, sheep criminalizing sheep dogs.  That's the goal of every anti-gun law, everyone who's against things like Stand Your Ground, any policy that strips a person of their right to defend themselves in any way.  Even the TSA is a sheep law against sheep dogs.  Those knives confiscated by the TSA hasn't stopped any hijackings or saved any lives.  All it's done is forced potential sheep dogs to become sheep for travel.
 
2013-07-18 05:31:14 PM

NorCalLos: Carth: NorCalLos: SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.

All they'd have to do is prove that Zimmerman detained or even attempted to detain him. I mean just because the state prosecutors didn't have any evidence of it shouldn't be a problem right?

I don't know if you know this or not, but sometimes new evidence is found after a trial. Perhaps there's a witness that has not come forward or some trace evidence on the victim's body or clothing...maybe Zimmerman gets drunk and tells the whole story to someone in a bar and some corroborating evidence is found. Maybe the FBI/federal prosecutors are better at investigating/trying a case than the local authorities in Florida.


Or maybe she spills the beans on a talk show, saying that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a gay rapist, and Trayvon gave Zimmerman a 'whoop ass' because Trayvon ain't that way, saying that Trayvon threw the first punch, and was gay-bashing Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-18 05:33:20 PM

NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.

Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.


What imaginary actions are those?

Martin thought Zimmerman was following him because he was gay and therefore a rapist. (At least in Martin and Jeantel's homophobic little minds, all gay men are rapists)
 
2013-07-18 05:33:40 PM

NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: Oh, I see. You don't know what gaybashing is.

I'd say leaving the safety of your Dad's place to go assault the guy you think is gay would qualify as gaybashing.

Not if the assault was motivated by actions of the "victim" that are unrelated to his perceived sexual orientation.


Replace "sexual orientation" with "race" and you have effectively proven that this issue wasnt about race.
 
2013-07-18 06:07:56 PM

Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.


He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.
 
2013-07-18 06:38:53 PM

Tumunga: Bruce Campbell: Igor Jakovsky: I have no problem with the family bringing a civil suit if they want.

They can't.  You have immunity from civil suits when the defendant was acquitted on the grounds of self defense.

Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Not mentioning the suit v NBC for editing the 911 call to make him sound racist.
 
2013-07-18 07:18:04 PM

redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).


Isn't she Haitian?
 
2013-07-18 07:21:49 PM

BullBearMS: Martin thought Zimmerman was following him because he was gay and therefore a rapist. (At least in Martin and Jeantel's homophobic little minds, all gay men are rapists)


Or maybe just men who stalk teenage boys.
 
2013-07-18 07:29:20 PM

Hobodeluxe: redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).

Isn't she Haitian?


I think perhaps it boils down to "smart vs. educated."

She may very well be quite intelligent, I actually feel like there is a decently sharp mind behind all the poor grammar, but without an education she'll continue to sound like your "stereotypical ghetto soon-to-be-welfare-queen" and be crippled essentially for her entire life.
 
2013-07-18 07:32:45 PM

BullBearMS: NorCalLos: BullBearMS: NorCalLos: To demonstrate that Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's pursuit...? I don't think it's very complicated. I think you guys are being glib because she talks funny.

Gaybashing isn't glib.

I must've missed the part about gaybashing.

PIERS MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?

RACHEL JEANTEL: Yes.

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.

Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.

Jeantel also addressed the gay rapist theory later in the interview:

RACHEL JEANTEL: "People need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracka going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother is there. Mind you I told you, I told Trayvon, [Zimmerman] might have been a rapist."


Seems like Zimmerman was the one being profiled.
 
2013-07-18 07:34:49 PM

Hobodeluxe: redmid17: Vectron: Edukashun, how duz it werk?  .

Her defenders (No Tears for Piers) say she speaks 3 languages. I wonder how well she does in them.

She allegedly has a 3.0 and is a 19 yr old senior because she missed a lot of school due to an illness. However she didn't come across as very intelligent when she testified in my eyes. I didn't really have much trouble understanding her pronunciation. What did come across as dumb were the words she chose and how she constructed her sentences. She seemed more put together in the Piers Morgan interview but she didn't come off as any smarter (to me anyway).

Isn't she Haitian?


I believe one of her parents is Haitian at the very least.
 
2013-07-18 09:20:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Amos Quito: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. So, black folks are "whipped up into a frenzy", huh?


Not yet, Droxy - but it isn't for lack of trying. They came close last weekend, but they just couldn't achieve the necessary "critical mass".


DROxINxTHExWIND: And you think Al Sharpton (this shiat again?), President Obama, and Eric Holder are trying to get riots started because...who the fark knows.


See my  subsequent post.

Do you really think that justice wasn't served in this case? And do you believe that this case is a textbook example of how the black community AS A WHOLE is victimized and treated unjustly by an inherently racist judicial system?

Because that is what Sharpton, Obama, Holder and the people that jerk THEIR strings are trying to get you to believe.

If you do believe that this is a classic example of race-based injustice, I would appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the matter, and particularly why THIS CASE is representative of said injustice.

Thanks in advance.



DROxINxTHExWIND: Well sir, your first mistake is the intellectually lazy grouping of black people who you consider "black leaders".


And you, sir, have made the presumptuous error of implying that I consider the black individuals whose names I have regularly invoked in this case (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, Barack Obama and Eric Holder) as "black leaders". I do not refer to these as "black leaders" but as RACE-BAITERS. It is true that Obama and Holder are black, and they are "leaders", but the others are nothing but manipulative charlatans, shake-down artists and firebrands (a description that also fits Obama and Holder very well, at least in this case).


DROxINxTHExWIND: Oddly, President Barack Obama and Eric Holder seem to be the only two people in his administration who are hell-bent on pushing this black agenda that you all dreamed up.


In that case I'm sure you can rattle of the names of dozens of other members of Obama's administration that have publicly vocalized their opposition to this race-baiting agenda, no? Because if not, we may be tempted to assume that the entire administration is in tacit agreement.


DROxINxTHExWIND:  I guess powerful black men are scary.


I'm sure they can be - especially to those who don't dare to utter a word that might be viewed critical of them - cringing in fear at the thought that they might be labeled as a "RACIST" for daring to speak frankly. Fortunately, I suffer from no such affliction.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The funny thing is that you put Al Sharpton's name ahead of them both.


Sharpton was a full-time professional race-baiter / firebrand long before any of us ever heard of Obama or Holder.


DROxINxTHExWIND: Look, don't blame us when the majority white media runs to Al Sharpton every time a black person skins their knee. I can't control what comes out of that clowns mouth anymore than you can notrol Fred Phelps. Difference is, i don't assume that you believe what Phelps believes because you're the same skin color.


"Don't blame us"? That's funny, one moment you're accusing me for lumping all black people together, then you turn around and speak of all black people as a collective. Is all that spinning making you dizzy? And as for your comparing Sharpton and his fellow firebrands (including Obama and Holder) to Phelps, look at the response of the those that whose interests they pretend to represent: Have you seen thousands - tens of thousands of Phelps' supporters raising hell in the streets of multiple major cities across the US? Is Phelps operating under the color of the authority of the Attorney General's office? Of the farking White House?


DROxINxTHExWIND: Your second error is creating a pulled-straight-from-the-ass justification of your problem with those men. You're not smarter than me, champ. So, there is no nefarious plan to manipulate me that only you can see.


To manipulate YOU, Mr. Black Man?

There you go with the knee-jerk assumptions again. Obviously you haven't been paying much attention to my posts, because I have NEVER implied that blacks were the sole target of this manipulation - indeed, I have stated repeatedly and clearly that the intent of these Authoritarian Asshats is to create division, mistrust, strife, discord and hatred among the people - ALL THE PEOPLE - on as many levels as possible. Interracial strife is only one of MANY avenues that they constantly exploit to create disharmony and disunity among the peasant masses - including gender issues, sexuality, religion, cultural differences, immigration issues, poverty issues... Divide and Rule is very old and VERY effective strategy by which a skilled minority of oligarchs can effectively manipulate and control what WOULD be an overwhelmingly powerful majority  - THE PEOPLE - united in goals and in purpose.

Don't flatter yourself, Droxie. No one has singled you and yours out for "special treatment". You're just another "group", another tool to be manipulated, one against the other.


DROxINxTHExWIND: The justice system was farked long before anyone ever heard of Obama or Holder.


Yeah, and it's still farked. Ask the guy who was unjustly accused of murder, was recently acquitted, and now faces a race-baited divisive attack from none other that the US Attorney General and the POTUS.

How's them apples?


DROxINxTHExWIND: I do believe that Zimmerman should have been punished for creating the situation that led to a childs death.


Punished? That implies that GZ committed a crime - what crime would that be? Participating in a Neighborhood watch program? Leaving his house after dark? Spotting a suspicious character and notifying the police? Telling the police that said suspicious character was fleeing? Exiting his truck so that he might better direct police toward the area where the suspicious man had fled - and then agreeing to comply with the *suggestion* of the dispatcher that he need not follow this suspicious character?

Did Zimmerman commit a "crime" by being punched in the nose, having his head beaten against the sidewalk, and then mercilessly pummeled as he screamed for help? Was it a "crime" for Zimmerman to defend himself against this relentless attack by using deadly force in the form of a firearm that he was fully licensed to lawfully carry?

Which of the above are "crimes" for which you believe Zimmerman should be "punished", DROxINxTHExWIND? Or perhaps you think that anyone who dares cast an eye of suspicion toward a non-white person deserves to be severely beaten (and possibly killed), and that they should just lie there and "take it like a man"? Because... "racsim"?


DROxINxTHExWIND: The major injustice is not that the jury decided there was not enough evidence to find Zimmerman guilty. The real issue that I have with all of this shiat is that we never got to see the George Zimmerman trial because people were too busy with the Trayvon Martin trial. We still live in a country where people will assasinate the character of a 17 year old murder victim to further their idiotic preconceived notions about minorities.


Sorry, but bull-farking-shiat, Droxy. The prosecution did everything in their power, used every sleazy, melodramatic maneuver they could cook up to demonize Zimmerman as a vigilante "kneegrowe hunter" with a SICK, DEPRAVED RACIST mind. Do you remember the CLASSIC opening lines of the prosecution?

'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away. "Those were the words in that grown man's mouth as he followed in the dark a 17-year-old boy who he didn't know. And excuse my language. but those were his words not mine. 'Fu**ing punks. These a** holes they always get away."

Go ahead, Drox. Click the link an watch it again.


DROxINxTHExWIND: I believe that the generalizations about what kind of person Trayvon was helped to keep his killer free. The defense team used fear of black people (showing a shirtless picture of Trayvon with a grille) to justify homicide...and it worked.


Oh, you mean this picture?

i2.cdn.turner.com

The task of the defense was not to "justify homicide", but to contend that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he resorted to the use of deadly force in his struggle for survival against Trayvon Martin.

Do you think it was "unfair" that the jury should see an accurate photographic portrayal of the MAN that straddled and beat Zimmerman that night? That the jury should the MAN that Zimmerman saw?

www.bnnnewsroom.com

Or do you think they should have been restricted to seeing the false image of Trayvon Martin as portrayed by the race-baiters and the shiat-stain media?

Again, we're getting PLAYED here - and not just you, Mr. Smart Black Man, but ALL of us are being manipulated by the Authoritarian Oligarchs that seek to Divide, Rule and dominate us by causing us to fight one another.


Yea, I doubt you'll bother to read this, let alone wrap your head around what I'm saying.

So, see you at the J4TM Rally?
 
2013-07-18 10:33:04 PM
Some thug within a couple months of being an adult (certainly would have been tried as one in the attempted murder case that followed if the other waste of space in this story hadn't ended his sorry ass)  initiated a physical altercation (because he was a dumb thug that was farking a legit retard) and got killed for his trouble.  Sorry I absolutely can not see why everyone is so damn pissed.
 
2013-07-18 11:09:55 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DoomPaul: Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.


What is a jury, anyway? A few folks too dumb to avoid jury duty, voting on the guilt or innocence of another person.


So since you're apparently smart enough to avoid jury duty, how do you do it?

Do you not show up when you get a summons?  Do you lie when asked questions during jury selection?  Do you wear the same clothes and avoid using toilet paper and bathing for a week before showing up?

I don't try to avoid jury duty.  The last time I showed up, I was actually picked.  I was surprised, but not upset by being picked.  It seemed like a large crowd of people that we were chosen from.  Two people tried to get out of it by claiming it would disrupt their jobs.   One of those people actually claimed his job was too important for him to take time away from it.  They were not excused.  Another person claimed that since he knew someone who had been a victim of auto theft that he wouldn't be able to render a fair verdict.  After further questioning from the judge (who I suspect thought he was lying his ass off) they did excuse him.  Almost everyone in that courtroom raised their hands when we were asked if we had been or knew someone close to us who had been a victim of auto-theft (including me).

And while I wouldn't call my fellow jurors geniuses they were all reasonably intelligent and a couple of them struck me as very intelligent.

In short, it is not "dumb" to perform your civic duty.  I believe it is in fact "dumb" to try to get out of it, especially if you're going to complain about the justice system.
 
2013-07-18 11:13:03 PM
Amos Quito:

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2013-07-19 08:55:27 AM

Tumunga: Actually, Zimmerman may have the right to sue the parents and they had received a 7 figure settlement from the HOA.  I wouldn't dare call down that shiatstorm if I were him, but he could.

He's phuqed now anyway, why not fan the flames and get everything he can get.


Martin's parents ought to have to reimburse Zimmerman for the cost of the round expended.
 
2013-07-19 09:11:44 AM
BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  BREAD AND CIRCUSES!  FORGET THE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND COLLAPSING ECONOMY!
 
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