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(CNN)   CNN's Andrew McCarthy says that politics should not force a Federal Zimmerman case. And if you can't trust a man who had sex with a mannequin, who can you trust?   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-07-18 12:27:05 PM
Drink

blogs.dallasobserver.com
 
2013-07-18 12:39:04 PM
Put him in GTMO.
 
2013-07-18 12:50:59 PM
I can see why he specifically uses Andrew C. McCarthy in his byline.

Whatever happened to that dude, anyway? I had a serious crush on him in my teen years...*off to GIS*

xfinity.comcast.net

He aged nicely! Crush still in place!
 
2013-07-18 01:24:28 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Whatever happened to that dude, anyway?


Looks like if nothing else, he's at least still working regularly. That's good.
 
2013-07-18 01:30:03 PM
How does he feel about politics forcing the state case... when there was no case.
 
2013-07-18 01:31:18 PM
Kwame?
 
2013-07-18 01:31:42 PM
Wait! Did CNN get something right?
 
2013-07-18 01:31:58 PM
Sick of hearing about it all.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:18 PM
I thought we got rid of McCarthyism back in the fifties.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:23 PM
Gotta love double jeopardy.
 
2013-07-18 01:32:41 PM
Nothing's Gonna Stop Him Now
 
2013-07-18 01:38:05 PM

machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.


It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:15 PM
You would of. Admit it.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-18 01:38:45 PM

neversubmit: Wait! Did CNN get something right?


No, at least their app doesn't. I was at a Jimmy Buffett concert Tuesday and I got a news alert that jurors were entering their second day of deliberation.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:55 PM
Instead of having trials, we might as well just have a vote like in American Idol because the mob must have its blood.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:56 PM

odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.


A civil rights case is a criminal case.
 
2013-07-18 01:38:57 PM
Umm, subby, in his first movie Andrew McCarthy did Jaqueline Bissett in the Water Tower Place elevator.
 
2013-07-18 01:39:14 PM
Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®
 
2013-07-18 01:39:32 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

[i.imgur.com image 375x293]


And.... done.
 
2013-07-18 01:41:05 PM

odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.


Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.
 
2013-07-18 01:43:31 PM

flak attack: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

A civil rights case is a criminal case.


redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


Ah, thanks. All this time I've been reading it as a civil case. I guess I should pay closer attention. But I won't.
 
2013-07-18 01:44:15 PM

neversubmit: Wait! Did CNN get something right?


In that the headline accurately reflects the opinion of an NRO contributor? Sure.
 
2013-07-18 01:44:38 PM

odinsposse: flak attack: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

A civil rights case is a criminal case.

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.

Ah, thanks. All this time I've been reading it as a civil case. I guess I should pay closer attention. But I won't.


Ah the signs of a long-time jaded Farker!
 
2013-07-18 01:46:55 PM
Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime
 
2013-07-18 01:48:06 PM
Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!
 
2013-07-18 01:48:12 PM

NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®


I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.
 
2013-07-18 01:48:19 PM
it is extremely inappropriate for law enforcement officials, particularly the U.S. attorney general, to engage in a running extrajudicial commentary that taints the jury pool and ratchets up the investigative anxiety for a citizen who is presumed innocent

That didn't stop President Hussein from running his yap before the trial, did it? I guess that explains why he graduated as head of Harvard Law Review and then never practiced.
 
2013-07-18 01:48:42 PM

redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.


Yes; but dude was right that it isn't "double jeopardy."

www.mentalfloss.com
 
2013-07-18 01:49:28 PM
www.kvia.com
Time for a sexy party.
 
2013-07-18 01:49:32 PM

cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime


Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.
 
2013-07-18 01:50:58 PM
To be fair, she wasn't a mannequin when he was around.  Because of true love or something.

/Now that I have realized I retained that knowledge, I'll go kill myself
 
2013-07-18 01:51:49 PM

redmid17: Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here.


The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:13 PM

NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.


That referred to civil suits brought by the Martin family. If the feds decide to invent some charges, it's technically not the same crime.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:24 PM

NorCalLos: redmid17: odinsposse: machoprogrammer: Gotta love double jeopardy.

It's well established that trying a criminal case and a civil case is not double jeopardy.

Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here. They are not pushing for a civil trial. This is a civil rights case.

Yes; but dude was right that it isn't "double jeopardy."

[www.mentalfloss.com image 300x235]


or "double jeopardy"

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2013-07-18 01:52:39 PM
Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions. They just typically don't bother charging you in one if your convicted in the other. Or if you commit a crime across state lines for that matter. States are considered jurisdictional in and of themselves and can individually charge you with crimes. Again its not typical, but not illegal. You can even get fun cases where one state refuses to extradite a prisoner to another.

/It potentially Russian Nesting dolls all the way down to the municipal level, but most states have statues claiming for the state level judiciary primacy of jurisdiction if they desire it.
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.
 
2013-07-18 01:52:42 PM

creepy ass-cracka: Florida should have another trial to execute Zimmerman!

He stalked an unarmed child with a loaded assault rifle and then backed him into a wall and unloaded!

The only reason he got off was because of the racist Stand Your Ground law!

The 911 police officer told him to stay in his truck, but he disobeyed the police!



24.media.tumblr.com

"His guilt has already been established by MSNBC.  This is merely a sentencing hearing.  Death or exile?"
 
2013-07-18 01:53:03 PM

dittybopper: redmid17: Very true. However that particular fact is non-germane here.

The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it.


I'm sure you said that when they invaded Pearl Harbor too!
 
2013-07-18 01:53:35 PM

Fo Shiz: Put him in GTMO.


Most of Holders crimes were against Mexican citizens, we should just extradite him.
 
2013-07-18 01:54:17 PM

badgerb: You would of. Admit it.

[i.imgur.com image 375x293]


Of what?

I would have.
 
2013-07-18 01:54:17 PM

creepy ass-cracka: NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.

That referred to civil suits brought by the Martin family. If the feds decide to invent some charges, it's technically not the same crime


What I mean is the civil suit that could be brought in Florida by anyone claiming damages for wrongful death is not automatically precluded because he was acquitted based on a self-defense argument.
 
2013-07-18 01:55:02 PM

SheltemDragon: Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions. They just typically don't bother charging you in one if your convicted in the other. Or if you commit a crime across state lines for that matter. States are considered jurisdictional in and of themselves and can individually charge you with crimes. Again its not typical, but not illegal. You can even get fun cases where one state refuses to extradite a prisoner to another.

/It potentially Russian Nesting dolls all the way down to the municipal level, but most states have statues claiming for the state level judiciary primacy of jurisdiction if they desire it.
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.


Well it's separate jurisdictions and separate crimes. AFAIK there is not a national murder or manslaughter charge that can be brought unless it involves depriving one his/her civil rights.
 
2013-07-18 01:56:15 PM

BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.


I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.
 
2013-07-18 01:57:55 PM
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"Weekend at Trayvon's" starts friday at a theater near ... YOU!
 
2013-07-18 01:59:30 PM

NightOwl2255: I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you have to take it -- as a parent, when you tell your child, when you see a grown person following you, run away, and all that.
Would you go stand there? You going to tell your child stand there? If you tell your child stand there, we're going to see your child on the news for missing person.


And, that is from an educated young lady with a 3.0 GPA.
 
2013-07-18 02:01:30 PM
Obviously court cases should be handled by social media. "SHARE THSI!!!!! THE JUDGE SAID IF TRAYVON MARTIN GETS 1 MILLION LIKES, HE'LL SEND GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TO THE ELECTRIC CHAIR!"
 
2013-07-18 02:02:12 PM

NorCalLos: cookiefleck: Thought that if he was aquitted in the state of Florida, nobody could bring civil lawsuits against him in regards to the same crime

Turns out Fark's failhouse lawyers didn't exactly know what they were talking about with regad to that.



George Sr.: Don't worry, Michael. [conspiratorial whisper] They can't convict a husband and wife for the same crime!
Michael: Yeah, that's not true. At all.
George Sr.: Really? ...I have the worst f*ing attorneys.

i.qkme.me


A civil suit is not a "Civil Rights" suit. The lawsuit folks are advocating is that the Martin Family files civil suit (ie. "I'll sue you!") against Zimmerman for the wrongful death of their son, the loss of Treyvon's contributions to the Martin family, the resulting pain & suffering, etc. If they won such a case it would be a financial penalty to the Zimmerman, not a jaily one.

Meanwhile, some people (like the hottie in the black framed spectacles, center, in Photo#1) are screaming for the DOJ to file a criminal hate crime charge against The Zimmerman. People with thinking minds are suggesting this would be an horrific waste of DOJ time and taxpayer money because hate crimes are very difficult to prove. Furthermore, there's no evidence or procedure or anything else that would be different from what the State of Florida had to work with and we see how that turned out.
 
2013-07-18 02:02:36 PM
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Attorney General Eric Holder calls for justice in the Trayvon Martin Case
 
2013-07-18 02:02:58 PM

NightOwl2255: BullBearMS: NightOwl2255: Fark, It's not news, it's Zimmerman all day, every day. ®

I have yet to see anyone bring up Rachel Jentel's recent revelation that she believes that Martin threw the first punch against Zimmerman.

Or her saying that she and Martin were homophobes who thought that what Zimmerman was trying to do was pick Martin up.

Sounds a lot more like gay-bashing than racism.

I assume you are referring to her interview with Piers Morgan.

I can't make out what's she's trying to say:

MORGAN: Because of the make-up of the jury? Do you think it was just wrong that you had no black people on the jury at all?
JEANTEL: No, not that. They don't understand, they understand -- he was just bashed or he was killed. When somebody bashes like blood people, trust me, the area I live, that's not bashing. That's just called whoop ass. You do that (INAUDIBLE). That's what it is.
MORGAN: Would Trayvon, if he had been attacked or had been confronted, and he was scared, would he have whooped ass, as you put it? JEANTEL: Whoop ass.
MORGAN: Could he -- would he have done that. Could he have done that?
JEANTEL: What?
MORGAN: Would he have defended himself if he'd been in that position?
JEANTEL: Yes, in my mind -- well, in reality, Trayvon, before his death, he thought I was still on the phone. I could have called out for help or something. But I wasn't on the phone. The struggle (INAUDIBLE) because Trayvon have an Android. If you click on the Android, that can end the call. And there was a struggle, so somebody had to be on top of Trayvon.
MORGAN: But you -- but you felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
JEANTEL: Yes.
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's no ...


She's basically saying Martin beat him up because Zimmerman might have tried to butt rape him or something. Whether or not she actually told him to or not I could not ascertain either.
 
2013-07-18 02:03:34 PM
SheltemDragon:
//I think Zimmerman was guilty as sin of at least Manslaughter 2, but I don't see how they are going to make a Civil Rights case stick against him.

He was basically posing as a law enforcement officer, depriving Mr. Martin of Martin's safety. There is a reason law enforcement officers undergo training, and not just firearms training. They are trained to de-escalate situations and use the least force required. If Zimmerman had been a real cop, he 1) wouldn't have been "attacked." 2) If he had, he would've been able to fight back without having to resort to a gun (either with his bare hands/feet or some other non-lethal force; and 3) would've had back-up on the scene a lot faster; and 4) would've been much more likely to approach and potentially detain Trayvon without hurting anyone or violating any laws. There's a word for non-law enforcement officers who detain others against their will: kidnappers.
 
2013-07-18 02:04:48 PM

SheltemDragon: Being tried in State and then Federal Court does not invoke the Double Jeopardy statue, as they are considered separate jurisdictions.


Yes, but there is at least one current court case challenging that.  Probably won't get cert, but they make a good argument based upon the history of prohibitions against double jeopardy in common law that conviction or acquittal by one sovereign barred subsequent prosecution by a different sovereign, and also that early American courts understood that double jeopardy barred prosecution under the 'dual sovereign' standard.
 
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