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(New York Daily News)   How badly do you have to screw up to be a Democrat listed on a liberal watchdog group's list of the nation's worst governors? Let's ask Andrew Cuomo   (nydailynews.com) divider line 88
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2013-07-18 12:25:54 PM
I would vote for Cuomo over Clinton in a New York minute because a) we've already had a president named Clinton and if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy; future histories of the 1980's-2020's are going to be confusing enough without a second President Clinton,  and b) Hillary did not earn her present distinction; she totally rode her husband's coattails and, were it not for Bill, would probably be chasing ambulances in Little Rock at this instance. Of course, the same could be said of Andrew Cuomo, but see a).
 
2013-07-18 12:25:58 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: mediablitz: Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: He wants to crush unions.

The poor dears. They'll have to scrape by on their six-figure tax-free pensions once Cuomo is through with them. Won't somebody think of the 43-year-old retired suburban cops?

Here's a dare for you: Go be a cop in "suburban" New York for 20 years, then come back and biatch like a little girl about the pension.

DARE YA

You're wasting your breath. Rightists hate working people and especially hate working people getting themselves a reasonable deal and nothing you can say will change their minds.


Bankers making multi-millions off of my savings = OKAY

Regular working Joe risking his life for 20 years and getting a halfway decent pension out of it = SCANDAL

farking idiots...
 
2013-07-18 12:28:50 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: mediablitz: Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: He wants to crush unions.

The poor dears. They'll have to scrape by on their six-figure tax-free pensions once Cuomo is through with them. Won't somebody think of the 43-year-old retired suburban cops?

Here's a dare for you: Go be a cop in "suburban" New York for 20 years, then come back and biatch like a little girl about the pension.

DARE YA

You're wasting your breath. Rightists hate working people and especially hate working people getting themselves a reasonable deal and nothing you can say will change their minds.


Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.
 
2013-07-18 12:29:44 PM

Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: mediablitz: Gulper Eel: Wendy's Chili: He wants to crush unions.

The poor dears. They'll have to scrape by on their six-figure tax-free pensions once Cuomo is through with them. Won't somebody think of the 43-year-old retired suburban cops?

Here's a dare for you: Go be a cop in "suburban" New York for 20 years, then come back and biatch like a little girl about the pension.

DARE YA

You're wasting your breath. Rightists hate working people and especially hate working people getting themselves a reasonable deal and nothing you can say will change their minds.

Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.


Is that a thing? I doubt it. If it is... why not organize with your co-workers and get yourself a good deal, too?
 
2013-07-18 12:33:10 PM
Indicative of Cuomos is his gun control law.  Weather you agree or disagree with it is not the point.  It was so poorly written that it did not include wavers for the police and military.  He made every cop in NY a felon.  Then, because it was so poorly written, 90% of legal gun owners would have become felons in 1 year.  They re-wrote it and it is so fricking confusing that I still dont know what the rules are.  I belive that my 10 round magazine is OK as long as I dont load more than 7 rounds in it.   But I am really not sure. No people I know are sure either. Everything he does ends up a mess.
 
2013-07-18 12:37:41 PM

Fark It: Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.


Because god knows we need 55+ year old police officers running around with the burdens we put on them now-a-days.

Jees, do you ever  listen to yourself?
 
2013-07-18 12:38:49 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Indicative of Cuomos is his gun control law.  Weather you agree or disagree with it is not the point.  It was so poorly written that it did not include wavers for the police and military.  He made every cop in NY a felon.  Then, because it was so poorly written, 90% of legal gun owners would have become felons in 1 year.  They re-wrote it and it is so fricking confusing that I still dont know what the rules are.  I belive that my 10 round magazine is OK as long as I dont load more than 7 rounds in it.   But I am really not sure. No people I know are sure either. Everything he does ends up a mess.


Maybe if the Pro-gun sorts had sat down at a table and helped write something rather than sitting ther harumphing the whole thing maybe it would have made more sense?
 
2013-07-18 12:41:00 PM

saintstryfe: Fark It: Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.

Because god knows we need 55+ year old police officers running around with the burdens we put on them now-a-days.

Jees, do you ever  listen to yourself?


It is never reasonable to retire at any age with any pension better than mine, no matter who you are or what you do. It is also unreasonable for me to improve my position by getting together with my co-workers and colleagues and using our right to collective bargaining so that I am getting as good a deal as some of those other people because reasons and also furthermore.
 
2013-07-18 12:41:12 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Indicative of Cuomos is his gun control law.  Weatherhether you agree or disagree with it is not the point.  It was so poorly written that it did not include waivers for the police and military.  He made every cop in NY a felon.  Then, because it was so poorly written, 90% of legal gun owners would have become felons in 1one year.  They re-wrote it and it is so fricking confusing that I still don't know what the rules are.  I beli

eve that my 10 round magazine is OK as long as I don't load more than 7seven rounds in it.   But I am really not sure. No people Nobody I know are is sure either. Everything he does ends up a mess.

It would be easier to take you seriously if you spoke English (yes, and I know there's a typo in my earlier post).
 
2013-07-18 12:43:13 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: It is never reasonable to retire at any age with any pension better than mine, no matter who you are or what you do. It is also unreasonable for me to improve my position by getting together with my co-workers and colleagues and using our right to collective bargaining so that I am getting as good a deal as some of those other people because reasons and also furthermore.


Unless you're a job creator, right? Then you're entitled to as much money as you want because reasons and furthermore.
 
2013-07-18 12:43:48 PM

clambam: A Dark Evil Omen: It is never reasonable to retire at any age with any pension better than mine, no matter who you are or what you do. It is also unreasonable for me to improve my position by getting together with my co-workers and colleagues and using our right to collective bargaining so that I am getting as good a deal as some of those other people because reasons and also furthermore.

Unless you're a job creator, right? Then you're entitled to as much money as you want because reasons and furthermore.


Well, yes. All of the money. All of it.
 
2013-07-18 12:46:35 PM

ikanreed: tallguywithglasseson: ikanreed: Pelosi and clinton could be argued to have been plain-ol-center

Which Clinton?

I'm sorry, I meant Bill.  Hilary was only a senator and sec-state, important, but not representational of the party.


Clinton is not to the left of Obama.

NAFTA, expanded death penalty, elimination of grants for inmate education, deregulation of banks, etc etc.

Reminds me an article mentioning "Clinton nostalgia"
 http://nymag.com/news/politics/liberals-jonathan-chait-2011-11/


A similar thing seems to be happening with Reagan... in light of current Republicans, all of a sudden, he was practically a liberal!
Wonder if in another 10 years (and if he doesn't run for President again) we'll get Gingrich nostalgia.
 
2013-07-18 12:49:09 PM

saintstryfe: Fark It: Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.

Because god knows we need 55+ year old police officers running around with the burdens we put on them now-a-days.

Jees, do you ever  listen to yourself?


Are you retarded?

A Dark Evil Omen: as good a deal as some of those other people because reasons and also furthermore.


How many other unions have deals as good as public employee unions?
 
2013-07-18 12:49:57 PM

tallguywithglasseson: ikanreed: tallguywithglasseson: ikanreed: Pelosi and clinton could be argued to have been plain-ol-center

Which Clinton?

I'm sorry, I meant Bill.  Hilary was only a senator and sec-state, important, but not representational of the party.

Clinton is not to the left of Obama.

NAFTA, expanded death penalty, elimination of grants for inmate education, deregulation of banks, etc etc.

Reminds me an article mentioning "Clinton nostalgia"
 http://nymag.com/news/politics/liberals-jonathan-chait-2011-11/


A similar thing seems to be happening with Reagan... in light of current Republicans, all of a sudden, he was practically a liberal!
Wonder if in another 10 years (and if he doesn't run for President again) we'll get Gingrich nostalgia.


The former is manufactured to help the Democrats continue to present as a "center-left" party in the face of all evidence. The latter is manufactured to help the Republicans continue to present as a "center-right" party in the face of all evidence.

Basically, both parties now that the actual voting public is significantly to the left in almost all respects, economically and socially, to both parties' actual governance positions. They have to keep up appearances.
 
2013-07-18 12:53:30 PM

Fark It: saintstryfe: Fark It: Retiring at 43 and earning a massive pension is never reasonable.

Because god knows we need 55+ year old police officers running around with the burdens we put on them now-a-days.

Jees, do you ever  listen to yourself?

Are you retarded?

A Dark Evil Omen: as good a deal as some of those other people because reasons and also furthermore.

How many other unions have deals as good as public employee unions?


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.
 
2013-07-18 01:08:54 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.


Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!
 
2013-07-18 01:10:15 PM

Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.

Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!


Sure, that's it. BSABSVR amirite?
 
2013-07-18 01:18:30 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.

Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Sure, that's it. BSABSVR amirite?


"Vote Republican" yes, that's exactly what I said.  Anybody who thinks public employee unions have undue influence and have pensions that are too generous is clearly a right-wing tea partier....
 
2013-07-18 01:23:17 PM

Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.

Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Sure, that's it. BSABSVR amirite?

"Vote Republican" yes, that's exactly what I said.  Anybody who thinks public employee unions have undue influence and have pensions that are too generous is clearly a right-wing tea partier....


If you think getting the same deal that we all should be getting is a more massive problem than the fact that most of us are getting screwed, you may not be a "right-wing tea partier" but you sure don't have your priorities straight.
 
2013-07-18 01:28:16 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: The former is manufactured to help the Democrats continue to present as a "center-left" party in the face of all evidence. The latter is manufactured to help the Republicans continue to present as a "center-right" party in the face of all evidence.


Neither of those things make sense.

Clinton-as-true-liberal is used by the left, to contrast with "right/conservative" Obama.
Attacks on Obama from the left are not helpful to Democrats.

Reagan-as-reasonable-centrist doesn't help Republicans. Republicans still use Reagan as a demigod, viewing him as anything but a True Conservative runs counter to that.

It seems weird but it's like some on the left are creating an alternate past in which leaders were more aligned with their ideals... and everyone else is just constantly letting them down. Pining away for the good old days when the good liberals ran everything!
 
2013-07-18 01:31:22 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.

Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Sure, that's it. BSABSVR amirite?

"Vote Republican" yes, that's exactly what I said.  Anybody who thinks public employee unions have undue influence and have pensions that are too generous is clearly a right-wing tea partier....

If you think getting the same deal that we all should be getting is a more massive problem than the fact that most of us are getting screwed, you may not be a "right-wing tea partier" but you sure don't have your priorities straight.


I'm speaking from my experience as an Illinois resident.  Our public employees (including part-time legislators and members of local boards, of which this state has many hundreds that meet maybe once or twice a month) are eligible for gigantic pensions that take the average of the last five years of salary (which are stacked with overtime) at 80% and guarantee that forever, with guaranteed annual pension raises that are above the rate of inflation.  This is on top of the healthcare costs that the state has to absorb.  Sure, in some places, public employees do get an unfair deal.  In Illinois, they have had free reign, and the result has been a $100,000,000,000 disaster.  The state is going to be insolvent, all so teachers, cops, firefighters, the politicians, librarians, dog-catchers, and people who clean roadkill off the highway can make six-figures into their 80s and double-dip across various state jobs and pension funds.  I don't want 50-year old cops on the street.  The solution is not to give them six-figure pensions in their 40s.  Have them work dispatch or the desk, or promote them to investigator even.
 
2013-07-18 01:36:22 PM

clambam: if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy


This "aristocracy" bullshiat is getting old. Did they change the rules so Clinton inherits the office instead of having to run and be elected?
 
2013-07-18 01:46:15 PM

Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: Fark It: A Dark Evil Omen: What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? You're trying to tear people down for availing themselves of opportunities that - unlike the "business opportunities" the right-wing is constantly pushing - you actually can avail yourself of, as well. So do it.

Right-wing conservatives:  Your inability to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and avail yourself to opportunity in order to better yourself is a moral failing.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Left-wing liberals:  Your inability to get a sweet pension deal is just a moral failing and a refusal to better yourself.  Stop trying to tear down people who make more money than you!

Sure, that's it. BSABSVR amirite?

"Vote Republican" yes, that's exactly what I said.  Anybody who thinks public employee unions have undue influence and have pensions that are too generous is clearly a right-wing tea partier....

If you think getting the same deal that we all should be getting is a more massive problem than the fact that most of us are getting screwed, you may not be a "right-wing tea partier" but you sure don't have your priorities straight.

I'm speaking from my experience as an Illinois resident.  Our public employees (including part-time legislators and members of local boards, of which this state has many hundreds that meet maybe once or twice a month) are eligible for gigantic pensions that take the average of the last five years of salary (which are stacked with overtime) at 80% and guarantee that forever, with guaranteed annual pension raises that are above the rate of inflation.  This is on top of the healthcare costs that the state has to absorb.  Sure, in some places, public employees do get an unfair deal.  In Illinois, they have had free reign, and the result has been a $100,000,000,000 disaster.  The state is going to be insolvent, all so teachers, cops, firefighters, the politicians, libraria ...


And I am telling you in my experience as someone who works with a number of unions and in a lot of ground-level political activity, you are being manipulated. Do you know what the actual solution to this "problem" - assuming it is the apocalyptic scenario you characterize it as, which I strongly doubt because it never is - actually is? Fair and equitable negotiation. The government agencies should be negotiating straight across with the unions and passing laws to guarantee stability of contracts.

Part of the reason public sector unions in particular try to eke out seemingly sweetheart deals or overlook the one person in a thousand who games the system is that, thanks to the nature of electoral politics, at any time their deal could disappear. Poof, gone. Look at Wisconsin. There's little to nothing actually protecting a public sector union contract. Tendentious strike actions can only accomplish so much because there aren't enough people in the union to picket every single voter, personally. They try to get as good a deal as possible today because it might disappear in two years for reasons completely out of their control.

Politically speaking, I have no love for the SEIU and less for law enforcement unions. The former are ultra-partisan and are little help to the labor movement because the above problems have left them bound up so tightly with the Democrats that as soon as a D advances anti-labor positions, suddenly the SEIU is nowhere to be found. It's not good for anyone. The latter are distinctly anti-labor because their support based comes from corporate and far-right groups, in part, again, because of the same issues above.

If you're really concerned about "budget issues", THE UNIONS!!!! are not your enemy. Unlike government contractors, public employees are also citizens and also voters; as long as they can feel comfortable that they're not going to have the rug pulled out from under them out of spite in the next election cycle they have far more incentive than most people to ensure public solvency and continuity.
 
2013-07-18 01:48:12 PM

qorkfiend: clambam: if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy

This "aristocracy" bullshiat is getting old. Did they change the rules so Clinton inherits the office instead of having to run and be elected?


Isn't that kind of what she would be doing, though? "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me president." This after "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me senator" and "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me Secretary of State." I'm agin it. I'm not saying she's not qualified, I'm saying she's not particularly qualified. It's nepotism. Elizabeth Warren for President? Sure. Hillary Clinton for President? Earn it.
 
2013-07-18 01:50:56 PM
Oh, look: the NY Daily News is pretending to care what Democrats think!
 
2013-07-18 02:10:53 PM

Wendy's Chili: ikanreed: tallguywithglasseson: ikanreed: Pelosi and clinton could be argued to have been plain-ol-center

Which Clinton?

I'm sorry, I meant Bill.  Hilary was only a senator and sec-state, important, but not representational of the party.

You think Clinton was to the left of Obama?

William Jefferson "NAFTAwelfarereformWTOfinancialderegulation" Clinton?


Yes, I do.  That's against Barack "Cuttaxesignoreclimatechangebombeveryonewithdrones" Obama, the answer is essentially yes.
 
2013-07-18 02:16:25 PM

clambam: qorkfiend: clambam: if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy

This "aristocracy" bullshiat is getting old. Did they change the rules so Clinton inherits the office instead of having to run and be elected?

Isn't that kind of what she would be doing, though? "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me president." This after "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me senator" and "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me Secretary of State." I'm agin it. I'm not saying she's not qualified, I'm saying she's not particularly qualified. It's nepotism. Elizabeth Warren for President? Sure. Hillary Clinton for President? Earn it.


If by "Isn't that kind of what she would be doing", you mean "winning the primary, followed by winning the general election" just like every other modern presidential candidate, then yes.

Nepotism != aristocracy.
 
2013-07-18 02:19:18 PM

qorkfiend: clambam: qorkfiend: clambam: if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy

This "aristocracy" bullshiat is getting old. Did they change the rules so Clinton inherits the office instead of having to run and be elected?

Isn't that kind of what she would be doing, though? "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me president." This after "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me senator" and "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me Secretary of State." I'm agin it. I'm not saying she's not qualified, I'm saying she's not particularly qualified. It's nepotism. Elizabeth Warren for President? Sure. Hillary Clinton for President? Earn it.

If by "Isn't that kind of what she would be doing", you mean "winning the primary, followed by winning the general election" just like every other modern presidential candidate, then yes.

Nepotism != aristocracy.


Really? I'd say nepotism is the essence of aristocracy. However, hair successfully split.
 
2013-07-18 02:21:20 PM
He's still trying to dodge those connections to a '70s chainsaw massacre.

/Cuomo: He's a Murderer
 
2013-07-18 02:26:26 PM

clambam: qorkfiend: clambam: qorkfiend: clambam: if I recall correctly, this country is still a democracy, not an aristocracy

This "aristocracy" bullshiat is getting old. Did they change the rules so Clinton inherits the office instead of having to run and be elected?

Isn't that kind of what she would be doing, though? "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me president." This after "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me senator" and "I am the wife of Bill Clinton. Make me Secretary of State." I'm agin it. I'm not saying she's not qualified, I'm saying she's not particularly qualified. It's nepotism. Elizabeth Warren for President? Sure. Hillary Clinton for President? Earn it.

If by "Isn't that kind of what she would be doing", you mean "winning the primary, followed by winning the general election" just like every other modern presidential candidate, then yes.

Nepotism != aristocracy.

Really? I'd say nepotism is the essence of aristocracy. However, hair successfully split.


Right. Pointing out that Hillary Clinton has to go through the exact same process as everyone else, as opposed to inheriting her position as you're suggesting, is splitting hairs.
 
2013-07-18 02:31:56 PM
Subby / concern trollmitter:
See, here's the difference between "liberal" and "conservative" groups.  A "liberal watchdog" group is 95% concerned about being a watchdog; they have no party loyalty.  Their goal isn't to advance the Democratic party, it's to watch dogs.

On contrast, a "conservative" group of any sort will generally be 99% anti-Democrat and pro-Republican, and maybe spend 1 percent of the time advocating what their particular focus is claimed to be.
 
2013-07-18 02:41:08 PM

qorkfiend: Right. Pointing out that Hillary Clinton has to go through the exact same process as everyone else, as opposed to inheriting her position as you're suggesting, is splitting hairs.


Yup, exact same process. Married president of the United States, spent eight years in the White House as First Lady, moved to a liberal state and had a Senate seat more or less handed to her on a silver platter, spent six years in the Senate and then ran for president. Just like Lincoln.I'm not saying she's not smart or capable of performing the duties of high office. I'm saying that, without her connections she would be a nobody, a complete non-entity. She might have worked her way up to the Arkansas State Senate, but that's about it. She no more deserves the presidency than Mary Bono Mack deserved Sonny's old House seat.
 
2013-07-18 02:57:13 PM

clambam: qorkfiend: Right. Pointing out that Hillary Clinton has to go through the exact same process as everyone else, as opposed to inheriting her position as you're suggesting, is splitting hairs.

Yup, exact same process. Married president of the United States, spent eight years in the White House as First Lady, moved to a liberal state and had a Senate seat more or less handed to her on a silver platter, spent six years in the Senate and then ran for president. Just like Lincoln.I'm not saying she's not smart or capable of performing the duties of high office. I'm saying that, without her connections she would be a nobody, a complete non-entity. She might have worked her way up to the Arkansas State Senate, but that's about it. She no more deserves the presidency than Mary Bono Mack deserved Sonny's old House seat.


How many politicians had fathers who were politicians, or fathers or other relatives whose connections opened doors for them throughout their lives? I would guess most.
 
2013-07-18 03:58:00 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: If it is... why not organize with your co-workers and get yourself a good deal, too?


Why do you insist on arguing a fantasy that is neither economically nor fiscally sustainable?
 
2013-07-18 04:22:01 PM

GoldSpider: A Dark Evil Omen: If it is... why not organize with your co-workers and get yourself a good deal, too?

Why do you insist on arguing a fantasy that is neither economically nor fiscally sustainable?


Uh, no, see, you have it backwards, it's the constant downward pressure on wages due in part to lack of robust labor organization that is neither economically nor fiscally sustainable.
 
2013-07-18 04:41:54 PM

Wendy's Chili: Clinton is a much stronger candidate this time around.


You completely missed out on the whole having to resign due to deteriorating health issues, didn't you? That kills anyone's candidacy if your name isn't Roosevelt.

Clinton is a non-starter.
 
2013-07-18 10:46:43 PM

saintstryfe: bigsteve3OOO: Indicative of Cuomos is his gun control law.  Weather you agree or disagree with it is not the point.  It was so poorly written that it did not include wavers for the police and military.  He made every cop in NY a felon.  Then, because it was so poorly written, 90% of legal gun owners would have become felons in 1 year.  They re-wrote it and it is so fricking confusing that I still dont know what the rules are.  I belive that my 10 round magazine is OK as long as I dont load more than 7 rounds in it.   But I am really not sure. No people I know are sure either. Everything he does ends up a mess.

Maybe if the Pro-gun sorts had sat down at a table and helped write something rather than sitting ther harumphing the whole thing maybe it would have made more sense?


I'm an Albany Democrat libby lib and I'm generally pro-gun control, but the SAFE Act was passed through without debate or warning. It literally happened overnight.

It solved jack shiat and caused major financial problems to law abiding folk. Except the modifications market, those guys are raking it in.

To CameronCrazy1984, consider this: Cuomo has never met a corporation whose knob he hasn't slobbed. The man pushed very hard to crack down on OWS and loves talking about giving away tax money to corporations while slashing social services.

He's very much a Republican who's shrewd enough to wear the D label.
 
2013-07-19 07:25:14 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Cuomo has never met a corporation whose knob he hasn't slobbed. The man pushed very hard to crack down on OWS and loves talking about giving away tax money to corporations while slashing social services.


Yeah, we've slashed Medicaid all the way to $56 billion a year, and now it's no longer bigger than the next two largest state Medicaid programs combined. That monster.

And our per-pupil education spending: shamefully, it's not even double the national average any more. Doesn't Cuomo care about The ChildrenTM?
 
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