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(Talking Points Memo)   Boehner and Cantor endorse the Dream Act. In related news, Tea Party endorses whoever will run against them   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 24
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2013-07-18 10:40:43 AM
5 votes:
I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.
2013-07-18 10:59:16 AM
3 votes:

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


basically what they are trying to do is take credit for another decades-long liberal struggle.
2013-07-18 10:46:39 AM
3 votes:
$20 says they amend it to repeal Obamacare, ban abortion, and give tax breaks to rich people.
2013-07-18 11:14:46 AM
2 votes:

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


Think of the possibilities here; an outsourced military where you pay your soldiers between $50 and $70 a day in cash, you pick them up when you need them at the local Home Depot and drop'em off when you are done. This would free up so much money to give to Northrop Grumman to develop new weapons systems but all the manuals would have to be printed in Spanish...
2013-07-18 03:34:36 PM
1 votes:

Raging Whore Moans: parasol: non-racer X: //my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.


When did gardening go from a patriotic (victory gardens) frugal and pleasurable pastime to some sort of culture clash?  Really, DEO, X's "existence"?

I think he was referring more to the libertarian aspect than the gardening bit.


Basically. One quickly - particularly here in the PNW, where they apparently grow like weeds - grows sick of being looked down on by Bootstrappy Libertarian Ubermenschen who couldn't live where they do, doing what they do with the quality of life they expect without those of us who live in the city in our small apartments and do things like working on communications infrastructure, power infrastructure and the like.
2013-07-18 02:27:44 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Soup4Bonnie: SixPaperJoint: Why would this be a partisan issue?

Increased voter participation has never served the GOP well.

And they fail to recognize the causality.

People don't like the GOP because the say things like "Those people are all going to vote Democrat anyway, so let's disenfranchise them as much as we legally can, or make it so difficult to vote that they give up." Instead of assuming they're Democrats for life, how about giving them a reason to vote for you in the first place?

The GOP has no trouble getting white folks to vote for them, why should it be any tougher getting blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims or Raelians to vote for Republicans, absent a message that such groups find utterly distasteful?

// unless jettisoning that distasteful message is seen as political suicide or something


Bingo. The Republican Party platform is incredibly cynical. It assumes the absolute worst about everyone who isn't a straight white Christian Republican male, to the point where every policy seems to be centered around the argument that non Republicans are incapable of basic thought and human emotion.

I spend way too much time lurking around right wing websites like Free Republic. They talk a lot about freedom, but only the freedom to make those they hate absolutely miserable.
2013-07-18 02:21:46 PM
1 votes:

Brick-House: legitimize these illegals - OK, but make it so they are NEVER allowed to vote. Call it a penality for breaking out immergration law in the first place.


The important thing is to stay angry. Forever.

/Immergration.
2013-07-18 02:10:37 PM
1 votes:

SixPaperJoint: Why would this be a partisan issue?


Increased voter participation has never served the GOP well.
2013-07-18 01:41:53 PM
1 votes:

SixPaperJoint: One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.


Yeah, but making Election Day a Federal holiday means Democrats win (this is what Republicans actually believe, and why they're pushing for fewer voting hours, not more), so we need to make sure as few people get to the polls as possible, because freedom.

// the Thomas link is a bill sponsored by Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) in 2003, shot down b the GOP
2013-07-18 01:25:11 PM
1 votes:

Brick-House: espiaboricua: Brick-House:
Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough...

.. and you lost any seriousness you thought you had because each member of Congress already has a term limit (2 years for the House and 6 years for the Senate)... after which they get to ask for their jobs back.. in something called an Election.

What you (and a lot of pro-term limit types) are really trying to advocate for is taking away the right of dumbasses voters to continue to vote for their favorite person to represent them in Congress... except yours, I'm sure, because I'm sure yours is perfect...okay, not you personally, but the rest of the pro-term limit types.


You should not have crossed out dumbasses, because that was a much better description. All my idea would do is protect the average voter from themselves. Because your right. The average voter recognizes that all these politicians are crooks, except theirs. Hell, look Spitzer and Weiner are leading in their respective races. What does that tell you about the average voter? And FFS, who the hell needs a 100 year old Senator?


12 Year Limit in the Congress and The Courts including the Supreme Court is more than enough time for these people.I was in the Air Force of over 20 years and when it came to Unit Commanders, no matter how well a commander was performing, they were reassigned after 2 years. This gave him the opportunity to increase the breadth of his knowledge and experiences and made way for a new commander that brought with them new ideas. WE NEED NEW IDEAS!!!


You want new ideas and a higher rate of turn over in our elected officials?

One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.

Our high water mark was 63.1% of the eligible voting population and that was in 1960.

Bigger turnout could achieve you goals and does not require a Constitutional amendment. Also, it doesn't limit the will of the people, it actually helps express it.
2013-07-18 12:58:41 PM
1 votes:

non-racer X: A Dark Evil Omen: non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Since the fark when does the "left" say that legal farm workers will continue to work for slave wages? I have never heard that argument from anyone. Typically it's noted that it will be good for them and for everyone else to have their wages normalized. Have you ever... like, talked to any left of Pinochet?

No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages.  They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.


They - we - have never declined to mention it. Actually, it's pounded on pretty farking hard. Maybe what you're thinking of is, "the work is there, only now they'll get paid something approaching an honest day's pay for it". Try actually talking to people instead of getting your vision of what "the left" thinks filtered through ten layers of stupidity.
2013-07-18 12:49:14 PM
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Since the fark when does the "left" say that legal farm workers will continue to work for slave wages? I have never heard that argument from anyone. Typically it's noted that it will be good for them and for everyone else to have their wages normalized. Have you ever... like, talked to any left of Pinochet?


No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages.  They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.
2013-07-18 12:48:03 PM
1 votes:
Brick-House:
Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough...

.. and you lost any seriousness you thought you had because each member of Congress already has a term limit (2 years for the House and 6 years for the Senate)... after which they get to ask for their jobs back.. in something called an Election.

What you (and a lot of pro-term limit types) are really trying to advocate for is taking away the right of dumbasses voters to continue to vote for their favorite person to represent them in Congress... except yours, I'm sure, because I'm sure yours is perfect...okay, not you personally, but the rest of the pro-term limit types.
2013-07-18 12:15:42 PM
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

Who are you and what have you done with Brick-House?


Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough. And the term limits I would also extend to the Supremes as they appear to be as bad as the rest of the government.
2013-07-18 12:08:00 PM
1 votes:

karmaceutical: Serious Black: I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.

But these are men who stand by their convictions!


Yes, and their sole conviction is, "Whatever Obama's fer, Ah'm agin'...unless it's a long-term losing proposition, then I cave like a house of cards."
2013-07-18 11:30:04 AM
1 votes:

non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?


I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.
2013-07-18 11:23:07 AM
1 votes:
House Republicans are considering legislation that reflects the ideas of the DREAM Act as part of other piecemeal immigration reform measures.

When they pass it, they will claim to have been for these ideas all the time, while simultaneously attacking Obama for passing the DREAM act.

All this has happened before.

All this will happen again.
2013-07-18 11:09:44 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.


Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?
2013-07-18 11:01:20 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: The wharrgarble in freeperville is stunning:

Boehner'shiatting the sauce again. I reject his premise. Kids of illegal aliens are even worse than their parents. Boehner's conjuring up some idyllic world of crying infants in straw baskets left on porches, but that isn't the case. Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.

Yes, the Speaker is correct. It is time to do something for the children of illegals:-SEND THEM TO MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, AFRICA AND ASIA!

Oh and theyll never ever vote republican. The hispanic catholics vote dem at a higher ptg than general hospanic. They wont vote republican if it means pro life they hate em. Why? Because the republicans in mexoico are the bad party
Theres your assimilation

I cannot truly write what I think about Boehner. Lately, I find myself more repulsed by POS scum than I am by the Marxist.
If Boehner has any decency he would switch to the party of his soul -- the RAT PArty.
Boehner is equally complicit along with the RATs with the destruction of our Republic.
John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.


Well, the republicans in Ameroica are the bad party, too.
2013-07-18 10:54:39 AM
1 votes:

JollyMagistrate: raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)

Party establishment is starting to understand that they need a larger umbrella if they want the presidency in the long run. Being able to attach the Dream Act to their party five to ten years from now could be a foundation for a bridge for more constituents.

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what?  Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?
2013-07-18 10:48:51 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: The wharrgarble in freeperville is stunning:

Boehner'shiatting the sauce again. I reject his premise. Kids of illegal aliens are even worse than their parents. Boehner's conjuring up some idyllic world of crying infants in straw baskets left on porches, but that isn't the case. Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.

Yes, the Speaker is correct. It is time to do something for the children of illegals:-SEND THEM TO MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, AFRICA AND ASIA!

Oh and theyll never ever vote republican. The hispanic catholics vote dem at a higher ptg than general hospanic. They wont vote republican if it means pro life they hate em. Why? Because the republicans in mexoico are the bad party
Theres your assimilation

I cannot truly write what I think about Boehner. Lately, I find myself more repulsed by POS scum than I am by the Marxist.
If Boehner has any decency he would switch to the party of his soul -- the RAT PArty.
Boehner is equally complicit along with the RATs with the destruction of our Republic.
John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.


I'd say it's par for the course.
2013-07-18 10:47:49 AM
1 votes:
IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.
2013-07-18 10:36:45 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


Tell me you're trolling.
2013-07-18 09:55:54 AM
1 votes:

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


I, for one, would like to know more.
 
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