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2013-07-18 09:42:36 AM  
I guess Boehner is calling the bluff of those tea party House members who said this would end his tenure as Speaker.
 
2013-07-18 09:49:08 AM  
But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?
 
2013-07-18 09:55:54 AM  

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


I, for one, would like to know more.
 
2013-07-18 09:58:14 AM  

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


Would you like to know more?
 
2013-07-18 10:23:12 AM  
I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)
 
2013-07-18 10:34:42 AM  
Damn you, lame duck Obama!!
 
2013-07-18 10:34:57 AM  
Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.
 
2013-07-18 10:36:45 AM  

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


Tell me you're trolling.
 
2013-07-18 10:38:39 AM  

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!
 
2013-07-18 10:38:45 AM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


They realized they'll never hold national office again without latinos.
 
2013-07-18 10:40:23 AM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


Party establishment is starting to understand that they need a larger umbrella if they want the presidency in the long run. Being able to attach the Dream Act to their party five to ten years from now could be a foundation for a bridge for more constituents.

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.
 
2013-07-18 10:40:27 AM  

bluorangefyre: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

Tell me you're trolling.


If we repeal Obamacare, it will force the elderly to pull themselves out of their laziness by their bootstraps and get jobs. It's a win/win.
 
2013-07-18 10:40:43 AM  
I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.
 
2013-07-18 10:41:39 AM  
Someone must have hacked the Rasmussen secret poll for the Republican House leadership.
 
2013-07-18 10:41:54 AM  
I meant to add: get jobs the job creators have added by the thousands due to their taxes dropping since the Bush Administration.
 
2013-07-18 10:42:45 AM  

Serious Black: I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.


But these are men who stand by their convictions!
 
2013-07-18 10:44:17 AM  
Anyone else alarmed by this section of the article?

""It's an issue of decency, of compassion," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) as he finished the final stitch on a vagina he was sewing shut."

/or was that just me?
 
2013-07-18 10:45:27 AM  

Serious Black: I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.


That was before someone clued them in to demographics. Cantor has been remarkably silent lately - I wonder if Boehner put the screws to him to knock off the hard-rightery (or at least the AW-ery).

Also, I think the Senate deal scared them a bit. I don't yet know how, but this seems like a center-ward pivot by Boehner (who is probably tired of failing the Hastert Rule).
 
2013-07-18 10:46:28 AM  

Serious Black: I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.



You mean back in 2010 when the single most important job was to make Obama a 1-termer create jobs?
 
2013-07-18 10:46:39 AM  
$20 says they amend it to repeal Obamacare, ban abortion, and give tax breaks to rich people.
 
2013-07-18 10:47:32 AM  
*Offer not valid for gay immigrants.
 
2013-07-18 10:47:48 AM  
The wharrgarble in freeperville is stunning:

Boehner'shiatting the sauce again. I reject his premise. Kids of illegal aliens are even worse than their parents. Boehner's conjuring up some idyllic world of crying infants in straw baskets left on porches, but that isn't the case. Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.

Yes, the Speaker is correct. It is time to do something for the children of illegals:-SEND THEM TO MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, AFRICA AND ASIA!

Oh and theyll never ever vote republican. The hispanic catholics vote dem at a higher ptg than general hospanic. They wont vote republican if it means pro life they hate em. Why? Because the republicans in mexoico are the bad party
Theres your assimilation

I cannot truly write what I think about Boehner. Lately, I find myself more repulsed by POS scum than I am by the Marxist.
If Boehner has any decency he would switch to the party of his soul -- the RAT PArty.
Boehner is equally complicit along with the RATs with the destruction of our Republic.
John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.
 
2013-07-18 10:47:49 AM  
IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.
 
2013-07-18 10:48:39 AM  
The TEA Party is only about taxes!1!
 
2013-07-18 10:48:51 AM  

theknuckler_33: The wharrgarble in freeperville is stunning:

Boehner'shiatting the sauce again. I reject his premise. Kids of illegal aliens are even worse than their parents. Boehner's conjuring up some idyllic world of crying infants in straw baskets left on porches, but that isn't the case. Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.

Yes, the Speaker is correct. It is time to do something for the children of illegals:-SEND THEM TO MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, AFRICA AND ASIA!

Oh and theyll never ever vote republican. The hispanic catholics vote dem at a higher ptg than general hospanic. They wont vote republican if it means pro life they hate em. Why? Because the republicans in mexoico are the bad party
Theres your assimilation

I cannot truly write what I think about Boehner. Lately, I find myself more repulsed by POS scum than I am by the Marxist.
If Boehner has any decency he would switch to the party of his soul -- the RAT PArty.
Boehner is equally complicit along with the RATs with the destruction of our Republic.
John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.


I'd say it's par for the course.
 
2013-07-18 10:51:10 AM  

theknuckler_33: Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.


I'd wager close to 99-100% of them.  You know those types.

And after that screed, the best part:

John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.
 
2013-07-18 10:52:34 AM  

bwilson27: That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!


I know, the house should hold a vote to repeal it!
 
2013-07-18 10:54:39 AM  

JollyMagistrate: raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)

Party establishment is starting to understand that they need a larger umbrella if they want the presidency in the long run. Being able to attach the Dream Act to their party five to ten years from now could be a foundation for a bridge for more constituents.

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what?  Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?
 
2013-07-18 10:55:36 AM  
The answer is "whomever." Whomever.

Does anyone think the cheap price of food in this country is one of the reasons that companies can get away with stagnating wages? People can still (generally) afford to eat, so they keep wages down?
 
2013-07-18 10:57:59 AM  

Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.


Who are you and what have you done with Brick-House?
 
2013-07-18 10:58:41 AM  

Tarl3k: bwilson27: That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

I know, the house should hold a vote to repeal it!



I can't believe they haven't done so already! Why are they dragging their feet?
 
2013-07-18 10:59:16 AM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


basically what they are trying to do is take credit for another decades-long liberal struggle.
 
2013-07-18 10:59:21 AM  

JollyMagistrate: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


That's fine by me. Exploiting workers is wrong even when they are brown.
 
2013-07-18 10:59:41 AM  

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


Do you think Teabaggers understand the nuance?
 
2013-07-18 11:01:20 AM  

theknuckler_33: The wharrgarble in freeperville is stunning:

Boehner'shiatting the sauce again. I reject his premise. Kids of illegal aliens are even worse than their parents. Boehner's conjuring up some idyllic world of crying infants in straw baskets left on porches, but that isn't the case. Many of these "kids" are gang-banging teens and MS-13 street thug types.

Yes, the Speaker is correct. It is time to do something for the children of illegals:-SEND THEM TO MEXICO, CENTRAL AMERICA, AFRICA AND ASIA!

Oh and theyll never ever vote republican. The hispanic catholics vote dem at a higher ptg than general hospanic. They wont vote republican if it means pro life they hate em. Why? Because the republicans in mexoico are the bad party
Theres your assimilation

I cannot truly write what I think about Boehner. Lately, I find myself more repulsed by POS scum than I am by the Marxist.
If Boehner has any decency he would switch to the party of his soul -- the RAT PArty.
Boehner is equally complicit along with the RATs with the destruction of our Republic.
John Boehner is a very, very evil human being.


Well, the republicans in Ameroica are the bad party, too.
 
2013-07-18 11:02:56 AM  
Obama needs to come out and oppose amnesty on the condition of a work to citizenship program complete with vaccinations, wage safety, and access to education. Then the House will pass it out of spite.
 
2013-07-18 11:03:23 AM  

non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?


It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.
 
2013-07-18 11:04:21 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-18 11:08:41 AM  

Muta: kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?

Do you think Teabaggers understand the nuance?


I think you might have missed the joke
/do you want to know more?
 
2013-07-18 11:09:44 AM  

Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.


Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?
 
2013-07-18 11:11:24 AM  

JollyMagistrate: raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)

Party establishment is starting to understand that they need a larger umbrella if they want the presidency in the long run. Being able to attach the Dream Act to their party five to ten years from now could be a foundation for a bridge for more constituents.

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


I thought that farmers worked the farms. Is that why they get all the cool subsidies handouts?
 
2013-07-18 11:12:01 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

Who are you and what have you done with Brick-House?


I have BH tagged as "Anne Coulter".
 
2013-07-18 11:14:04 AM  
It would be nice to think that this was a trend to buck the control the crazies have over the GOP.
 
2013-07-18 11:14:37 AM  

snowshovel: I thought that farmers worked the farms. Is that why they get all the cool subsidies handouts bootstraps?


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2013-07-18 11:14:46 AM  

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


Think of the possibilities here; an outsourced military where you pay your soldiers between $50 and $70 a day in cash, you pick them up when you need them at the local Home Depot and drop'em off when you are done. This would free up so much money to give to Northrop Grumman to develop new weapons systems but all the manuals would have to be printed in Spanish...
 
2013-07-18 11:15:04 AM  

JollyMagistrate: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


This is why we need robots.  Intelligent robots we can enslave until we finally realize they are sentient beings after all...and then we melt them down and make stupider robots with no feelings.

/And eventually the original robots come back and want to have sex with us.
//This has all happened before...
 
2013-07-18 11:19:15 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?


I think we're a few decades away from Republicans openly calling for a return to feudalism.
 
2013-07-18 11:19:40 AM  

Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.


My eating habits?  What about yours?
 
2013-07-18 11:23:07 AM  
House Republicans are considering legislation that reflects the ideas of the DREAM Act as part of other piecemeal immigration reform measures.

When they pass it, they will claim to have been for these ideas all the time, while simultaneously attacking Obama for passing the DREAM act.

All this has happened before.

All this will happen again.
 
2013-07-18 11:24:12 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: The answer is "whomever." Whomever.

Does anyone think the cheap price of food in this country is one of the reasons that companies can get away with stagnating wages? People can still (generally) afford to eat, so they keep wages down?


No, I think it's things like the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Credit, coupled with a fear that if you ask for a raise, you'll get fired.
 
2013-07-18 11:30:04 AM  

non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?


I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.
 
2013-07-18 11:32:33 AM  

JollyMagistrate: raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)

Party establishment is starting to understand that they need a larger umbrella if they want the presidency in the long run. Being able to attach the Dream Act to their party five to ten years from now could be a foundation for a bridge for more constituents.

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.


Lol you know jack shiat about farming or even where most of the food comes from. Nice talking points though.
 
2013-07-18 11:33:45 AM  

bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!


Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!
 
2013-07-18 11:36:23 AM  

theorellior: bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!


I like hamburger. Sold!
 
2013-07-18 11:37:23 AM  

Fart_Machine: theorellior: bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!

I like hamburger. Sold!


Soylent Grandma.
 
2013-07-18 11:37:37 AM  
Nanaburgers for the win!
 
2013-07-18 11:39:23 AM  

Lord_Baull: Nanaburgers for the win!


Mmm.....Gramburger
 
2013-07-18 11:40:32 AM  

theorellior: bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!


I was under the impression that it would be free meatloaf for the unemployed.
 
2013-07-18 11:41:44 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I was under the impression that it would be free meatloaf for the unemployed.


Goddamn moochers. They should grind up their own grandparents for meatloaf.
 
2013-07-18 11:45:43 AM  
Boehner: "Eric, I need your support on this."
Cantor (sharpening his dagger): "Sure John, what can I do?"
Boehner: "I need you to back me on the...What's that for?"
Cantor: "What this? Oh umm...I'm going hunting later."
Boehner: "With a dagger?"
Cantor: "Don't worry about it. OK so here's the plan, you go up to the microphone and talk about supporting the DREAM Act and I'll stand right behind you. It'll make for great television."
 
2013-07-18 11:50:00 AM  

Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.


images.feedgrids.com
 
2013-07-18 11:50:53 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: theorellior: bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!

I was under the impression that it would be free meatloaf for the unemployed.


That would be better than Nutraloaf at least.
 
2013-07-18 11:50:55 AM  

Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?

I think we're a few decades away from Republicans openly calling for a return to feudalism.


At their present rate of growth (-2% per year) there WON'T BE any Republicans in about 35 years.
 
2013-07-18 11:59:28 AM  

Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.


If you enjoy a gridlocked Congress, that'll be perfect. When it takes a coalition of 10 or 15 or 20 parties to get legislation passed, we might as well just resign ourselves to never getting anything ever changed.
 
2013-07-18 12:01:08 PM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


In a matter that's fully satisfying to you, and after dinner and a movie??? ^_^
 
2013-07-18 12:01:17 PM  

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


Nice.
 
2013-07-18 12:02:28 PM  
vernonFL: Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


apple? meet orange

ps - when, exactly, did working for citizenship in America become a "special right"?
       and what native american tribe do you belong to?
       oh...wait....you were BORN here?
 
2013-07-18 12:04:37 PM  

parasol: ps - when, exactly, did working for citizenship in America become a "special right"?


YHBT. YHL. HAND.
 
2013-07-18 12:07:43 PM  

Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-18 12:08:00 PM  

karmaceutical: Serious Black: I'll note that back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi brought the DREAM Act to a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives, both John Boehner and Eric Cantor voted no on the bill.

But these are men who stand by their convictions!


Yes, and their sole conviction is, "Whatever Obama's fer, Ah'm agin'...unless it's a long-term losing proposition, then I cave like a house of cards."
 
2013-07-18 12:08:42 PM  

odinsposse: JollyMagistrate: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

That's fine by me. Exploiting workers is wrong even when they are brown.


First, I think the actual cost of the tobacco per pack of cigs is pretty low - under a dollar as I recall. And increasing the price of cigs is fine with me.

As for actual food, very few items would see a price increase.  They'd just be imported from other markets.  You do realize wheat is grown in other countries, and all that out of season fresh fruit you see comes from south of the equator.

Unless we slapped a massive tariff on imported food, which in fairness we are capable of.
 
2013-07-18 12:09:51 PM  

Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.


No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.
 
2013-07-18 12:10:19 PM  
theorellior:
YHBT. YHL. HAND.


?? can't afford any vowels?
 
2013-07-18 12:13:55 PM  

MisterRonbo: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

If you enjoy a gridlocked Congress, that'll be perfect. When it takes a coalition of 10 or 15 or 20 parties to get legislation passed, we might as well just resign ourselves to never getting anything ever changed.


I'd be happy with just a third party. But when Bernie Sanders is the lone non-R non-D in the entirety of Congress (and even he leans towards the Ds on most issues), it's clear all these people who say "both sides are bad" are simply playing lip service to that particular problem.

/PICK. ANOTHER. NAME.
 
2013-07-18 12:15:42 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

Who are you and what have you done with Brick-House?


Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough. And the term limits I would also extend to the Supremes as they appear to be as bad as the rest of the government.
 
2013-07-18 12:16:17 PM  

bluorangefyre: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

Tell me you're trolling.


That's exactly why I have him on my favorites list. XD
 
2013-07-18 12:16:50 PM  

non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.


Since the fark when does the "left" say that legal farm workers will continue to work for slave wages? I have never heard that argument from anyone. Typically it's noted that it will be good for them and for everyone else to have their wages normalized. Have you ever... like, talked to any left of Pinochet?
 
2013-07-18 12:17:50 PM  

non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.


Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.
 
2013-07-18 12:17:53 PM  

Brick-House: Extreme Government Makeover


I'd totally watch that show
 
2013-07-18 12:23:48 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: theorellior: bwilson27: vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.

That Obamacare sounds bad. I hope they can do something about it!

Oh, it is bad! Have you not heard of death panels? They'll pass life-and-death judgement on your poor sweet Nana and grind her up for hamburger!

I was under the impression that it would be free meatloaf for the unemployed.


Jonathon Swift approves!
 
2013-07-18 12:35:14 PM  
I still think we can round up the 12 million or so illegals and ship them back -  you know why?  Because we are AmeriCANS!

plus, job creation!
 
2013-07-18 12:39:41 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Obama needs to come out and oppose amnesty on the condition of a work to citizenship program complete with vaccinations, wage safety, and access to education. Then the House will pass it out of spite.


The sad thing about that is that we've all joked about that for years but, at this point, I believe that's absolutely possible.
 
2013-07-18 12:46:11 PM  

MisterRonbo: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

If you enjoy a gridlocked Congress, that'll be perfect. When it takes a coalition of 10 or 15 or 20 parties to get legislation passed, we might as well just resign ourselves to never getting anything ever changed.


Not to mention the problem is the voters keep electing assh0les so get rid of one batch and elect another does not seem to solve the problem.
 
2013-07-18 12:48:03 PM  
Brick-House:
Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough...

.. and you lost any seriousness you thought you had because each member of Congress already has a term limit (2 years for the House and 6 years for the Senate)... after which they get to ask for their jobs back.. in something called an Election.

What you (and a lot of pro-term limit types) are really trying to advocate for is taking away the right of dumbasses voters to continue to vote for their favorite person to represent them in Congress... except yours, I'm sure, because I'm sure yours is perfect...okay, not you personally, but the rest of the pro-term limit types.
 
2013-07-18 12:48:38 PM  

vernonFL: Why are we giving citizenship to criminal illegals when our own innocent unborn and elderly are being killed by Obamacare?

Republicans should pass laws to repeal Obamacare and outlaw abortion, not give special rights to illegals.


8.5/10
 
2013-07-18 12:49:14 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Since the fark when does the "left" say that legal farm workers will continue to work for slave wages? I have never heard that argument from anyone. Typically it's noted that it will be good for them and for everyone else to have their wages normalized. Have you ever... like, talked to any left of Pinochet?


No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages.  They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.
 
2013-07-18 12:56:00 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.


Try to keep up Francis.  I never said prices would triple.  That was Serious Black, and I believe he meant if we had to pay natural born citizens to do the labor.  My only comment was that the price of produce would obviously increase.
I also said that I'm cool with that.

/conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank
 
2013-07-18 12:58:41 PM  

non-racer X: A Dark Evil Omen: non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Since the fark when does the "left" say that legal farm workers will continue to work for slave wages? I have never heard that argument from anyone. Typically it's noted that it will be good for them and for everyone else to have their wages normalized. Have you ever... like, talked to any left of Pinochet?

No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages.  They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.


They - we - have never declined to mention it. Actually, it's pounded on pretty farking hard. Maybe what you're thinking of is, "the work is there, only now they'll get paid something approaching an honest day's pay for it". Try actually talking to people instead of getting your vision of what "the left" thinks filtered through ten layers of stupidity.
 
2013-07-18 12:58:58 PM  

non-racer X: Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.

Try to keep up Francis.  I never said prices would triple.  That was Serious Black, and I believe he meant if we had to pay natural born citizens to do the labor.  My only comment was that the price of produce would obviously increase.
I also said that I'm cool with that.

/conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank


My apologies for the mis-attribution.
 
2013-07-18 12:59:17 PM  

non-racer X: conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank


Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.
 
2013-07-18 12:59:21 PM  

non-racer X: No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages. They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.


Sooo... you think they'll stop doing the same work for more money because they're citizens?
 
2013-07-18 01:05:15 PM  
IlGreven: I'd be happy with just a third party. But when Bernie Sanders is the lone non-R non-D in the entirety of Congress (and even he leans towards the Ds on most issues), it's clear all these people who say "both sides are bad" are simply playing lip service to that particular problem.

And I think people would be more inclined to take you seriously if you weren't dead wrong.

Bernie Sanders isn't even the only non-R/D in his chamber.

// OK, so they're the only two
// but yeah - MOAR 3rd party, 4th, 5th, 7th, 23rd...
 
2013-07-18 01:07:41 PM  

espiaboricua: Brick-House:
Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough...

.. and you lost any seriousness you thought you had because each member of Congress already has a term limit (2 years for the House and 6 years for the Senate)... after which they get to ask for their jobs back.. in something called an Election.

What you (and a lot of pro-term limit types) are really trying to advocate for is taking away the right of dumbasses voters to continue to vote for their favorite person to represent them in Congress... except yours, I'm sure, because I'm sure yours is perfect...okay, not you personally, but the rest of the pro-term limit types.



You should not have crossed out dumbasses, because that was a much better description. All my idea would do is protect the average voter from themselves. Because your right. The average voter recognizes that all these politicians are crooks, except theirs. Hell, look Spitzer and Weiner are leading in their respective races. What does that tell you about the average voter? And FFS, who the hell needs a 100 year old Senator?


12 Year Limit in the Congress and The Courts including the Supreme Court is more than enough time for these people.I was in the Air Force of over 20 years and when it came to Unit Commanders, no matter how well a commander was performing, they were reassigned after 2 years. This gave him the opportunity to increase the breadth of his knowledge and experiences and made way for a new commander that brought with them new ideas. WE NEED NEW IDEAS!!!

 
2013-07-18 01:08:02 PM  

non-racer X: No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.



So, once they're citizens, they won't want to do the same work anymore?
 
2013-07-18 01:11:43 PM  

raerae1980: Why? What's changed?


In some cases coupling it with enforcement efforts.
 
2013-07-18 01:19:09 PM  
non-racer X: //my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.


When did gardening go from a patriotic (victory gardens) frugal and pleasurable pastime to some sort of culture clash?  Really, DEO, X's "existence"?
 
2013-07-18 01:25:11 PM  

Brick-House: espiaboricua: Brick-House:
Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough...

.. and you lost any seriousness you thought you had because each member of Congress already has a term limit (2 years for the House and 6 years for the Senate)... after which they get to ask for their jobs back.. in something called an Election.

What you (and a lot of pro-term limit types) are really trying to advocate for is taking away the right of dumbasses voters to continue to vote for their favorite person to represent them in Congress... except yours, I'm sure, because I'm sure yours is perfect...okay, not you personally, but the rest of the pro-term limit types.


You should not have crossed out dumbasses, because that was a much better description. All my idea would do is protect the average voter from themselves. Because your right. The average voter recognizes that all these politicians are crooks, except theirs. Hell, look Spitzer and Weiner are leading in their respective races. What does that tell you about the average voter? And FFS, who the hell needs a 100 year old Senator?


12 Year Limit in the Congress and The Courts including the Supreme Court is more than enough time for these people.I was in the Air Force of over 20 years and when it came to Unit Commanders, no matter how well a commander was performing, they were reassigned after 2 years. This gave him the opportunity to increase the breadth of his knowledge and experiences and made way for a new commander that brought with them new ideas. WE NEED NEW IDEAS!!!


You want new ideas and a higher rate of turn over in our elected officials?

One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.

Our high water mark was 63.1% of the eligible voting population and that was in 1960.

Bigger turnout could achieve you goals and does not require a Constitutional amendment. Also, it doesn't limit the will of the people, it actually helps express it.
 
2013-07-18 01:27:38 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: non-racer X: No, they don't say they'll continue to work for slave wages...they just say that the reason they're here in the first place is because nobody else will do the work for those wages. They never continue the thought process any farther, or at least they decline to mention it.

Sooo... you think they'll stop doing the same work for more money because they're citizens?


Yeah......that's exactly what I said.

*facepalm*

No wonder I don't bother with the politics tab that often.
 
2013-07-18 01:30:28 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.

Try to keep up Francis.  I never said prices would triple.  That was Serious Black, and I believe he meant if we had to pay natural born citizens to do the labor.  My only comment was that the price of produce would obviously increase.
I also said that I'm cool with that.

/conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

My apologies for the mis-attribution.


No worries....there's enough to argue with me about for things that I actually DO say.  lol
 
2013-07-18 01:30:49 PM  
...Is this satire? Or an alternate reality? Boehner and Cantor  said something honestly compassionate about other human beings?

Oh my god, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. This is so unreal.
 
2013-07-18 01:36:53 PM  

Stone Meadow: Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?

I think we're a few decades away from Republicans openly calling for a return to feudalism.

At their present rate of growth (-2% per year) there WON'T BE any Republicans in about 35 years.


Those 35 years can't come fast enough.
 
2013-07-18 01:37:08 PM  

JollyMagistrate: triple the cost of wheat


My father-in-law and his nephew plant, tend, and harvest a whole shiatload of wheat every year between just the two of them. They don't hire anyone, much less illegals. My point is, I  think grains are different than produce, because all the hard, crushing work is delegated to giant armageddon-like machinery that's more-or-less indifferent to working conditions so long as the diesel keeps flowing.

I don't know anything about raising produce on a large scale, but I'm guessing you can't harvest e.g. romaine lettuce the same way.
 
2013-07-18 01:41:53 PM  

SixPaperJoint: One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.


Yeah, but making Election Day a Federal holiday means Democrats win (this is what Republicans actually believe, and why they're pushing for fewer voting hours, not more), so we need to make sure as few people get to the polls as possible, because freedom.

// the Thomas link is a bill sponsored by Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) in 2003, shot down b the GOP
 
2013-07-18 01:53:33 PM  
If we legitimize these illegals, it may result in an increase in the amount of taxes they pay. We know how the Tea Farty feels about taxes.

/what typo?
 
2013-07-18 02:04:15 PM  

SixPaperJoint: 12 Year Limit in the Congress and The Courts including the Supreme Court is more than enough time for these people.I was in the Air Force of over 20 years and when it came to Unit Commanders, no matter how well a commander was performing, they were reassigned after 2 years. This gave him the opportunity to increase the breadth of his knowledge and experiences and made way for a new commander that brought with them new ideas. WE NEED NEW IDEAS!!!


You want new ideas and a higher rate of turn over in our elected officials?

One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.

Our high water mark was 63.1% of the eligible voting population and that was in 1960.

Bigger turnout could achieve you goals and does not require a Constitutional amendment. Also, it doesn't limit the will of the people, it actually helps express it.


In theory I don't disagree with you, it would be nice to have a higher percentage of voters. But, in reality - do we really need more clueless people voting? People who simply vote the party line because they have always did it that way regardless of the issues. People who vote based on one issue, an issue they may not fully understand. People who cannot tell you who is the Vice President of the United States... So yes, higher percentage of people voting sounds wonderful in theory, but in reality - not so much.
 
2013-07-18 02:07:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: SixPaperJoint: One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.

Yeah, but making Election Day a Federal holiday means Democrats win (this is what Republicans actually believe, and why they're pushing for fewer voting hours, not more), so we need to make sure as few people get to the polls as possible, because freedom.

// the Thomas link is a bill sponsored by Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) in 2003, shot down b the GOP


I have never understood why we get a day off the celebrate the birth of our country, but not a day off to keep it running.

Why would this be a partisan issue?
 
2013-07-18 02:07:22 PM  

Brick-House: Pants full of macaroni!!: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

Who are you and what have you done with Brick-House?

Listen, when BOB does his next State of the Union Address, if it were up to me, I would lock all the doors, put bars on the windows and hang a sign that says Federal Prison. All three branches of the government are totally farked and we need an Extreme Government Makeover. And the first thing I would install is a 12 Year Term Limit for everyone except the President as 8 is enough. And the term limits I would also extend to the Supremes as they appear to be as bad as the rest of the government.


So your solution to our problems is a giant RESET button for the government and then more term limits.

Even if that were possible (it isn't) what would you do if it didn't magically fix all our problems?

What's Plan B? Start shooting people? Usually when I hear someone seriously proposing "the entire government must go" Plan B is shoot a bunch of people and then THAT will somehow fix everything. (It won't)
 
2013-07-18 02:09:22 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: If we legitimize these illegals, it may result in an increase in the amount of taxes they pay. We know how the Tea Farty feels about taxes.

/what typo?


legitimize these illegals - OK, but make it so they are NEVER allowed to vote. Call it a penality for breaking out immergration law in the first place.
 
2013-07-18 02:10:37 PM  

SixPaperJoint: Why would this be a partisan issue?


Increased voter participation has never served the GOP well.
 
2013-07-18 02:11:39 PM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


*checks profile*

*re attaches lower jaw now on floor*

No words. I got no words.
 
2013-07-18 02:12:11 PM  

Brick-House: legitimize these illegals - OK, but make it so they are NEVER allowed to vote. Call it a penality for breaking out immergration law in the first place.


Or we could go back to the Open-door policy we had at the turn of the last century, and allow for those that are here anyway a less hassled way to be legal citizens. Then they pay taxes and you don't infringe on their rights to be citizens by allowing them to vote.

Seriously, if we're gonna make them citizens, we're not gonna make them second-class citizens.
 
2013-07-18 02:12:41 PM  

Brick-House: SixPaperJoint: 12 Year Limit in the Congress and The Courts including the Supreme Court is more than enough time for these people.I was in the Air Force of over 20 years and when it came to Unit Commanders, no matter how well a commander was performing, they were reassigned after 2 years. This gave him the opportunity to increase the breadth of his knowledge and experiences and made way for a new commander that brought with them new ideas. WE NEED NEW IDEAS!!!


You want new ideas and a higher rate of turn over in our elected officials?

One way we could reach that is to increase the amount of people that actually vote.

Our high water mark was 63.1% of the eligible voting population and that was in 1960.

Bigger turnout could achieve you goals and does not require a Constitutional amendment. Also, it doesn't limit the will of the people, it actually helps express it.

In theory I don't disagree with you, it would be nice to have a higher percentage of voters. But, in reality - do we really need more clueless people voting? People who simply vote the party line because they have always did it that way regardless of the issues. People who vote based on one issue, an issue they may not fully understand. People who cannot tell you who is the Vice President of the United States... So yes, higher percentage of people voting sounds wonderful in theory, but in reality - not so much.


You assertion seems very...problematic.

Maybe you should also consider working in education or holding the media to a higher standard as a consumer and a citizen.

Again, those could address your issues directly and do it without a Constitutional amendment.
 
2013-07-18 02:18:53 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: SixPaperJoint: Why would this be a partisan issue?

Increased voter participation has never served the GOP well.


And they fail to recognize the causality.

People don't like the GOP because the say things like "Those people are all going to vote Democrat anyway, so let's disenfranchise them as much as we legally can, or make it so difficult to vote that they give up." Instead of assuming they're Democrats for life, how about giving them a reason to vote for you in the first place?

The GOP has no trouble getting white folks to vote for them, why should it be any tougher getting blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims or Raelians to vote for Republicans, absent a message that such groups find utterly distasteful?

// unless jettisoning that distasteful message is seen as political suicide or something
 
2013-07-18 02:21:07 PM  

non-racer X: Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.

Try to keep up Francis.  I never said prices would triple.  That was JollyMagistrate Serious Black, and I believe he meant if we had to pay natural born citizens to do the labor.  My only comment was that the price of produce would obviously increase.
I also said that I'm cool with that.

/conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank


FTFY.
 
2013-07-18 02:21:46 PM  

Brick-House: legitimize these illegals - OK, but make it so they are NEVER allowed to vote. Call it a penality for breaking out immergration law in the first place.


The important thing is to stay angry. Forever.

/Immergration.
 
2013-07-18 02:22:07 PM  
All I know is that I know nothing.

If you asked me last week, I would say that "Dream act *principles*" was such an open ended weasel worded statement that you could laugh in his face. Then I heard how much trouble Rubio is in and have to admit that there is a harsh political price to be paid for even bullshiatting about being for immigration. Restoring sanity, is it really that hard?
 
2013-07-18 02:27:44 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Soup4Bonnie: SixPaperJoint: Why would this be a partisan issue?

Increased voter participation has never served the GOP well.

And they fail to recognize the causality.

People don't like the GOP because the say things like "Those people are all going to vote Democrat anyway, so let's disenfranchise them as much as we legally can, or make it so difficult to vote that they give up." Instead of assuming they're Democrats for life, how about giving them a reason to vote for you in the first place?

The GOP has no trouble getting white folks to vote for them, why should it be any tougher getting blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Muslims or Raelians to vote for Republicans, absent a message that such groups find utterly distasteful?

// unless jettisoning that distasteful message is seen as political suicide or something


Bingo. The Republican Party platform is incredibly cynical. It assumes the absolute worst about everyone who isn't a straight white Christian Republican male, to the point where every policy seems to be centered around the argument that non Republicans are incapable of basic thought and human emotion.

I spend way too much time lurking around right wing websites like Free Republic. They talk a lot about freedom, but only the freedom to make those they hate absolutely miserable.
 
2013-07-18 02:43:27 PM  

FlashHarry: Brick-House: IMHO, every incumbent needs to be voted out regardless of which party they're in.I would also love to see party affiliation removed from ballots and then watch the people who have no clue what they're doing try to vote the party line. Maybe then, people will start listening to what these people say and compare it against what they do and hold them accountable.

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I think he signed in the wrong account.

I think they should still allow a straight ticket ballot vote button, but don't tell anyone that hitting it causes all your votes to be ignored.
 
2013-07-18 02:47:35 PM  
theknuckler_33: [Freeperville]Boehner'shiatting the sauce again.

There's a mental picture I could have done without.

/LOL filterpwn
 
2013-07-18 03:08:21 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: theknuckler_33: [Freeperville]:  Boehner'shiatting the sauce again.

There's a mental picture I could have done without.

/LOL filterpwn


I didn't even catch that it was a filterpwn.  I thought someone in Freeperland was actually using the metaphor of Boehner squatting over a bowl of piping-hot spaghetti sauce, pinching loaves into it.
 
2013-07-18 03:19:24 PM  

parasol: non-racer X: //my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.


When did gardening go from a patriotic (victory gardens) frugal and pleasurable pastime to some sort of culture clash?  Really, DEO, X's "existence"?


I think he was referring more to the libertarian aspect than the gardening bit.
 
2013-07-18 03:34:36 PM  

Raging Whore Moans: parasol: non-racer X: //my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.


When did gardening go from a patriotic (victory gardens) frugal and pleasurable pastime to some sort of culture clash?  Really, DEO, X's "existence"?

I think he was referring more to the libertarian aspect than the gardening bit.


Basically. One quickly - particularly here in the PNW, where they apparently grow like weeds - grows sick of being looked down on by Bootstrappy Libertarian Ubermenschen who couldn't live where they do, doing what they do with the quality of life they expect without those of us who live in the city in our small apartments and do things like working on communications infrastructure, power infrastructure and the like.
 
2013-07-18 05:25:56 PM  

raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?  How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)


They can't win the Presidency without the Mexican, er, Latino vote.
 
2013-07-18 05:29:24 PM  

Serious Black: non-racer X: Philip Francis Queeg: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: Serious Black: non-racer X: You obviously don't like cheap food. "Illegals" are solely responsible for propping up our unsustainable agricultural industries as there aren't enough Americans willing to work hard labor in un-air conditioned fields for at or below minimum wage. The cost farms would have to pay to encourage citizen labor for those posts would triple the cost of wheat, fruit, and tobacco.

OK then, we make them all legal citizens then what? Do they make minimum wage and the prices sky-rocket anyway?
Or do we create a 2nd class of citizens that the minimum wage laws don't apply to?

It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

My eating habits?  What about yours?

I think it is well worth paying more to eat to ensure a few million people can fully participate in civic life as American citizens.

No problem here....it just destroys one of the main arguments that the left tends to use.
"Who else will work our farms for such low wages"
Not the "illegals" if you make them citizens.

Prices won't farking skyrocket. Labor is runs somewhere between 17% and 41% of the cost of farm products depending on the crop. The actual producer of the crop gets only about 30% of the cost you pay in the store. Your scaremongering that costs would triple is farking nonsense.

Try to keep up Francis.  I never said prices would triple.  That was JollyMagistrate Serious Black, and I believe he meant if we had to pay natural born citizens to do the labor.  My only comment was that the price of produce would obviously increase.
I also said that I'm cool with that.

/conservative Libertarian
//my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

FTFY.


My bad...guess I got lost in the multiple replies as well.
 
2013-07-18 05:37:47 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Raging Whore Moans: parasol: non-racer X: //my veggies come from my backyard garden which is watered by rain water that I capture in a 300 gallon tank

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh, I see, you're one of those. Enjoy your existence subsidized by my work.


When did gardening go from a patriotic (victory gardens) frugal and pleasurable pastime to some sort of culture clash?  Really, DEO, X's "existence"?

I think he was referring more to the libertarian aspect than the gardening bit.

Basically. One quickly - particularly here in the PNW, where they apparently grow like weeds - grows sick of being looked down on by Bootstrappy Libertarian Ubermenschen who couldn't live where they do, doing what they do with the quality of life they expect without those of us who live in the city in our small apartments and do things like working on communications infrastructure, power infrastructure and the like.


Thank you for permitting me to live another day, may I please go outside and pick some lettuce from my garden for my dinner salad?
 
2013-07-18 09:44:14 PM  

kbronsito: But are they for the full Dream Act or that version where only military service guarantees citizenship?


This is the feel-good bone they toss out so they don't have to pass any further immigration reform.

/ask your mom about feel-good bones
 
2013-07-18 11:41:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: They realized they'll never hold national office again without latinos.


the 86 amnesty didn't move the meter in terms of the "Latino vote" either....

The democrats dont care about latinos any more than they cared about blacks 10-20 years go, they just want to flip texas same as they've flipped Ohio, PA and FL.
 
2013-07-19 12:17:03 AM  

DORMAMU: raerae1980: I'm...I'm so confused.   I thought that side of the political spectrum was against the Dream Act.   Now they are for it?   Why?  What's changed?   How does it screw me over (I'm sure it will....I'm female!)

*checks profile*

*re attaches lower jaw now on floor*

No words. I got no words.


Okay, THAT made me smile.  :D
 
2013-07-19 12:32:30 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Fuggin Bizzy: theknuckler_33: [Freeperville]:  Boehner'shiatting the sauce again.

There's a mental picture I could have done without.

/LOL filterpwn

I didn't even catch that it was a filterpwn.  I thought someone in Freeperland was actually using the metaphor of Boehner squatting over a bowl of piping-hot spaghetti sauce, pinching loaves into it.


And there's an image I could have done without.
 
2013-07-19 05:13:02 AM  

Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: It's either that or we condemn our agricultural workers to suffering in poverty just to make your eating habits cheaper.

Isn't that basically the entire right-wing position on, like... all workers, though?

I think we're a few decades away from Republicans openly calling for a return to feudalism.


They haven't already?
 
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