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(Rolling Stone)   Now that everyone has collectively shiat themselves over a photo of an alleged terrorist, would you actually like to read the article that the photo is for? No? Really? Well fark you then, here it is anyway   ( rollingstone.com) divider line
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2013-07-18 10:55:53 AM  

ExpressPork: These were all so much worse:
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.foliomag.com image 450x549]
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.dailystab.com image 286x385]

That's not even all of them.

Nauseating.


Seriously, I got a free subscription to rolling stone that I didn't ask for. After reading the first couple issues that I received it now goes straight from my mailbox to my recycling bin.
 
2013-07-18 10:56:17 AM  

ManRay: People were protesting the photo, not the article.

Rolling Stone can put whatever they want on their cover. I wonder how they were able to make the kid look like Jim Morrison.


The kid looks like himself in that photo. The only similarity with Jim Morrisson is the dark curly hair.
 
2013-07-18 10:56:46 AM  

Brew78: I don't really have the capacity to be outraged over something like a Rolling Stone cover, but I certainly do disagree with their choice and agree with the argument that its a mistake to continue publicizing and showing pictures of those that do wrong.....


But the article is about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev being a real person instead of just some terrorist caricature. That's what responsible journalism should be about as opposed to the red blinking headlines and pictures of blood and explosions and police in body armor that CNN and FOX NEWS were showing.
 
2013-07-18 10:56:59 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Also a perfect example of how most people are absolutely incapable of allowing nuanced concepts to enter their brains, and how tragedy must be packaged such that it confirms existing stereotypes about the nature of evil.


Dude started buying jihadist BS that justifies tageting adn killing civilians.

This story pretty much does.
 
2013-07-18 10:57:35 AM  
Haven't read it yet, but you bet I will.

There's something important about having perspective. People do bad things... well WHY? Where did the rest of us fail in stopping them? What did we learn?

Also, I'm glad people are offended. It forces them to think once in a while.
 
2013-07-18 10:57:35 AM  

BunkoSquad: Boston.com was so infuriated by the cover that they've run 418 articles about it...each featuring a picture of the horrible cover


As funny and ironic as it looks, I can understand the logic behind it.  If they didn't show the cover, Rolling Stone would get scads more hits by viewers who would want to see the cover for themselves.  Providing the cover image partly prevents RS from profiting from people's curiosity.
 
2013-07-18 11:00:43 AM  

Bontesla: Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?

Since when does the rockstar treatment include an article about how the said rockstar turned from average to monster?


Eh, it's still attention.

More to the point, Lanza had been perceived for a long time (correctly, as it happens) as having a screw loose. His crime is still a tragedy full of unanswered questions, but the perpetrator hews much more closely to the popular image of the "nutcase run amok". You expect that. You don't expect your chill stoner buddy to start blowing off limbs for the glory of Allah.

IdBeCrazyIf: What's so interesting about the article is when you compare it to his statements recently about how he was a loner, had no friends, never fit in, etc.. when the reality is at least on the surface this kid was given nearly every chance you can think of. Good schools, a large circle of people he hung out with, decent family life, etc...

And to see what he became is just an amazing transformation, that instead of reading about this and learning more about what radicalizes people, we huff and puff about a god damn photo.


Yeah. I felt kind of bad for his friends. They didn't help the way that maybe they could have, didn't know Jahar the way they thought, don't know how to feel about themselves and their buddies now. And on top of that they're getting harried by the Feds.

I'd also like to give a shout-out to all the people who've made witty remarks about magazines, print media, and/or Rolling Stone being dead. That kind of humor is fresh, original, and just what this thread needed.
 
2013-07-18 11:03:24 AM  

Inchoate: And on top of that they're getting harried by the Feds.


I was actually a bit shocked by their statements that they were treated like they were by the feds. I'm interested if the parties involved get investigated by the ACLU
 
2013-07-18 11:03:31 AM  
Very good article.

People need to take notice of this article because what led him into radicalism, losing his support system, which didn't seem like the most stable of support systems to begin with, feeling isolated and turning to a person for support that wasn't very stable himself (his brother) for support, are things that really do affect young people everyday. Whether it be for radical movements, gangs, prostitution, assholes look for these types of people that are going through these things to exploit. All of this outrage about Rolling Stone is giving him the rockstar treatment is just people burying their heads in the sand and ignoring this fact.
 
2013-07-18 11:03:56 AM  
I was amused at all the people that don't read Rolling Stone anyway shouting loudly about how bad the magazine is for the cover photo.

Then again, I can't help but feel that magazines are dead anyway.

On the third hand, dude looks pretty much just like a young rock star, perhaps that's the (apparently subtle) point?
 
2013-07-18 11:05:32 AM  

GurneyHalleck: HailRobonia, you have one of the best logins on the planet.

As for this cover shot, I haven't heard this much outrage in the Boston area since Bill Buckner blew the World Series for the Sox.  I just wish everyone was talking about the root causes of this kid's actions instead of the stupid cover.  We don't want more of these little monsters running around.


Islam? that root cause?

seems he was a normal pot smoking white kid in a decent school system, with inner beliefs about Muslims & perceived injustice against Islam that festered under the surface. pretty moderate Islam if you're smoking pot and going out with non Muslims.

so all of us need to scrutinize our moderate Muslim friends?
 
2013-07-18 11:06:18 AM  
This the third time this thread has appeared. You are NOT getting better at it.

Same comments, same photos, same comparisons.

But I guess it's generating hits, and that's all Drew cares about.
 
2013-07-18 11:06:48 AM  

Bullseyed: and I'm yelling at the radio "ALLEGES?!?! It was proven with SCIENCE, entered as EVIDENCE in a COURT OF LAW and confirmed by a JURY. There is NO ALLEGING ABOUT IT."


At some point, does it occur to you that maybe...just maybe... you have a problem with outrage addiction?
 
2013-07-18 11:09:15 AM  

quartercomma: Here's the headline that might reach some impressionable young males--

See this kid?  He'll never go on a date, eat a non-gross meal, or have a pair of nice warm boobs in his hands EVER AGAIN.


The article mentioned Jahar being friendly with girls, but never particularly intimate. I wonder if he might be gay, or if he has some other significant mental upfarkery regarding sex. That would definitely be an angst 'n' alienation generator.
 
2013-07-18 11:09:59 AM  
People are treating this kids name he's farking Voldemort.  It's weird how so many people have allowed a picture and a name to have that kind of power over them.  It's like some sort of Cult of BIzzarro Personality.
 
2013-07-18 11:12:28 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: This the third time this thread has appeared. You are NOT getting better at it.

Same comments, same photos, same comparisons.

But I guess it's generating hits, and that's all Drew cares about.


first article was the initial outrage over it. Second was the follow-up to it where all the businesses were pulling it and third (this one) is about the actual article that the outrageous photo is for, possibly in the hopes of generating a rational discussion about the article and the life that lead to all this.
 
2013-07-18 11:13:46 AM  
Next week they should have the mooninites on the cover
 
2013-07-18 11:14:11 AM  

BunkoSquad: Who has time to read? We judge things by their covers in this society


Your statement is probably a lot more profound than you thought it was when you wrote it or will ever think it is.
 
2013-07-18 11:15:50 AM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Yeah, but it's too early to start drinking


It's 5pm somewhere in the world
 
2013-07-18 11:17:19 AM  

ExpressPork: These were all so much worse:
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.foliomag.com image 450x549]
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.dailystab.com image 286x385]

That's not even all of them.

Nauseating.


So what your saying is:

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2013-07-18 11:18:58 AM  

somedude210: Disgruntled Goat: This the third time this thread has appeared. You are NOT getting better at it.

Same comments, same photos, same comparisons.

But I guess it's generating hits, and that's all Drew cares about.

first article was the initial outrage over it. Second was the follow-up to it where all the businesses were pulling it and third (this one) is about the actual article that the outrageous photo is for, possibly in the hopes of generating a rational discussion about the article and the life that lead to all this.


And yet, as I said (typed), all three comment threads are exactly the same.

"...generating a rational discussion about the article..."  Hahaha. This is FARK.
 
2013-07-18 11:19:42 AM  
Not a very interesting article. Typical blame everyone but the individual liberal philosophy. The question is, if nobody is responsible for their own actions, how do you blame it on other people who apparently are not responsible for their actions.
 
2013-07-18 11:20:10 AM  

whither_apophis: Next week they should have the mooninites on the cover


Maybe they should....it's WELL past time that we, as a country, had an honest discussion about the role of police in society and whether we should allow the kind of overreaction like the ones that we seem to be getting from the Boston PD.
 
2013-07-18 11:22:08 AM  

MyRandomName: Not a very interesting article.


Which you clearly didn't read.
 
2013-07-18 11:22:38 AM  
FTFA: A diligent student, Jahar talked about attending Brandeis

wow...
 
2013-07-18 11:22:54 AM  

IamAwake: Incorrigible Astronaut: When was the last time they did a study of their readers? 1978?

Seriously.  The kid was 19, and if I recall correctly was 18 in that picture.  RS hasn't catered to the 18yo age group in eons.  For fark's sake, 18yo practically never touch physical, printed, magazines anymore.

If anything, the demographic of RS these days is waiting rooms at orthopedic doctor's offices....


I suppose you haven't read RS in a while.

Yes, it caters to millennials.  And old farts as well.

We got a complimentary sub to RS for ordering concert tickets online.

It is surprisingly well written, for the most part.
 
2013-07-18 11:23:08 AM  

MyRandomName: Not a very interesting article. Typical blame everyone but the individual liberal philosophy. The question is, if nobody is responsible for their own actions, how do you blame it on other people who apparently are not responsible for their actions.


He isn't even of legal age to purchase alcohol. How much personal responsibility should society expect him to have?
 
2013-07-18 11:24:16 AM  

micah1701: ExpressPork: These were all so much worse:
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.foliomag.com image 450x549]
[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x416]
[www.dailystab.com image 286x385]

That's not even all of them.

Nauseating.

Seriously, I got a free subscription to rolling stone that I didn't ask for. After reading the first couple issues that I received it now goes straight from my mailbox to my recycling bin.


Like me, you probably got it from ordering concert tickets online.

I stopped it once they asked me to start paying for it.

Not sure what it was that you saw so bad with it, I was actually a little surprised that many of their articles were decent.
 
2013-07-18 11:25:41 AM  

ph0rk: I was amused at all the people that don't read Rolling Stone anyway shouting loudly about how bad the magazine is for the cover photo.

Then again, I can't help but feel that magazines are dead anyway.

On the third hand, dude looks pretty much just like a young rock star, perhaps that's the (apparently subtle) point?


Magazines are not dead.  There's actually been an uptick lately.
 
2013-07-18 11:25:48 AM  

Inchoate: Bontesla: Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?

Since when does the rockstar treatment include an article about how the said rockstar turned from average to monster?

Eh, it's still attention.

More to the point, Lanza had been perceived for a long time (correctly, as it happens) as having a screw loose. His crime is still a tragedy full of unanswered questions, but the perpetrator hews much more closely to the popular image of the "nutcase run amok". You expect that. You don't expect your chill stoner buddy to start blowing off limbs for the glory of Allah.

IdBeCrazyIf: What's so interesting about the article is when you compare it to his statements recently about how he was a loner, had no friends, never fit in, etc.. when the reality is at least on the surface this kid was given nearly every chance you can think of. Good schools, a large circle of people he hung out with, decent family life, etc...

And to see what he became is just an amazing transformation, that instead of reading about this and learning more about what radicalizes people, we huff and puff about a god damn photo.

Yeah. I felt kind of bad for his friends. They didn't help the way that maybe they could have, didn't know Jahar the way they thought, don't know how to feel about themselves and their buddies now. And on top of that they're getting harried by the Feds.

I'd also like to give a shout-out to all the people who've made witty remarks about magazines, print media, and/or Rolling Stone being dead. That kind of humor is fresh, original, and just what this thread needed.


It's exactly that confusion and surprise that makes this important. How does a completely generic kid become a terrorist?

The picture stresses how ordinary this kid is. How moderately, youthful and American he comes across. That he could carry out such horrific acts on the strangers he lived among is noteworthy.

Why shouldn't they show us the banality of evil? Showing a mug shot doesn't illustrate that point as effectively.
 
2013-07-18 11:26:42 AM  

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


THIS.

It was a bad move having him on the cover, but not a bad move to write an article about it.
 
2013-07-18 11:27:33 AM  
When I was a kid I remember someone telling me that I shouldn't play Wolfenstein 3D because it depicted Nazis, regardless of the context. 50 years after World War II they were angry that a Nazi was simply on the screen.
 
2013-07-18 11:27:35 AM  

tripleseven: Magazines are not dead.  There's actually been an uptick lately.


Uptick as in they are becoming profitable again, or uptick like cassette tapes and vinyl?
 
2013-07-18 11:33:39 AM  

louiedog: When I was a kid I remember someone telling me that I shouldn't play Wolfenstein 3D because it depicted Nazis, regardless of the context. 50 years after World War II they were angry that a Nazi was simply on the screen.


What did they think of the history channel?

I mean, up until ~10 years ago, it should have just been called the hitlery channel.
 
2013-07-18 11:34:16 AM  

Bontesla: Why shouldn't they show us the banality of evil? Showing a mug shot doesn't illustrate that point as effectively.


Hey, I agree with you. Was just mentioning how some people could see the "rockstar" thing.
 
2013-07-18 11:34:52 AM  

ph0rk: tripleseven: Magazines are not dead.  There's actually been an uptick lately.

Uptick as in they are becoming profitable again, or uptick like cassette tapes and vinyl?


Subscription data has risen.  However, newsstand sales fell.  They've always been shiatty anyway.
 
2013-07-18 11:35:02 AM  

louiedog: When I was a kid I remember someone telling me that I shouldn't play Wolfenstein 3D because it depicted Nazis, regardless of the context. 50 years after World War II they were angry that a Nazi was simply on the screen.


But you got to shoot them in the face!
 
2013-07-18 11:35:18 AM  

mafiageek1980: It was a bad move having him on the cover, but not a bad move to write an article about it.


Oddly enough, I don't think many people are complaining about the article having been written, but are instead complaining about the glamorizing on the cover...
 
2013-07-18 11:35:59 AM  

tripleseven: ph0rk: tripleseven: Magazines are not dead.  There's actually been an uptick lately.

Uptick as in they are becoming profitable again, or uptick like cassette tapes and vinyl?

Subscription data has risen.  However, newsstand sales fell.  They've always been shiatty anyway.


As I understand it, it is the subs that sell them ads, as they actually know something about the subscribers.
 
2013-07-18 11:36:03 AM  
Kinda weird/intresting how the family never went to any of the matches.
 
2013-07-18 11:36:08 AM  
OMG!!!  Who the hell cares!!
 
2013-07-18 11:36:30 AM  

mafiageek1980: DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.

THIS.

It was a bad move having him on the cover, but not a bad move to write an article about it.


still less tacky then CNN replaying uncensored video of the explosions again and again during prime time.
 
2013-07-18 11:37:09 AM  

Opposable Thumb: OMG!!!  Who the hell cares!!


Thanks!

I mean, my day would have been devastatingly boring without your keen insight.
 
2013-07-18 11:38:20 AM  

IamAwake: mafiageek1980: It was a bad move having him on the cover, but not a bad move to write an article about it.

Oddly enough, I don't think many people are complaining about the article having been written, but are instead complaining about the glamorizing on the cover...


FFS, They call him a monster on the cover - don't just look at the cropped square images that pop up in facebook, etc.
 
2013-07-18 11:40:28 AM  

IamAwake: mafiageek1980: It was a bad move having him on the cover, but not a bad move to write an article about it.

Oddly enough, I don't think many people are complaining about the article having been written, but are instead complaining about the glamorizing on the cover...


What is glamorous about republishing the same picture that's been everywhere with a caption identifying him as a "monster"
 
2013-07-18 11:43:39 AM  
I remember that Rolling Stone magazine has never shied away from putting pictures of infamous people on their cover. Didn't they put Charles Manson and Osama bin Ladin on their cover as well?

Good on them for keeping the pot stirred. While the rest of the media desperately tries to keep us occupied with *anything but* the exponentially-growing reach of Big Brother, a few select outlets keep focus where it should be, even if only tangentially.
 
2013-07-18 11:49:23 AM  

HAMMERTOE: I remember that Rolling Stone magazine has never shied away from putting pictures of infamous people on their cover. Didn't they put Charles Manson and Osama bin Ladin on their cover as well?

Good on them for keeping the pot stirred. While the rest of the media desperately tries to keep us occupied with *anything but* the exponentially-growing reach of Big Brother, a few select outlets keep focus where it should be, even if only tangentially.


As a reminder, the issue is not that he was on the cover, but in a made-up, glorified, rock-star way.  The other shots shown in this thread of, for example, Manson and Simpson, are not nearly as pretty.
 
2013-07-18 11:49:26 AM  

Inchoate: You don't expect your chill stoner buddy to start blowing off limbs for the glory of Allah.


When they think 9/11 was both an inside job and justifiable action of muslims because they are all one while claiming Islam is only about peace...yeah I do.
 
2013-07-18 11:49:30 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?


Ted Nugent already has that title for the NRA.
 
2013-07-18 11:51:30 AM  

Bontesla: Why shouldn't they show us the banality of evil?


They could have at least drawn devil horns and a Snidely Whiplash mustache on him. Without them, I have no idea how to feel about this guy.
 
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