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(Rolling Stone)   Now that everyone has collectively shiat themselves over a photo of an alleged terrorist, would you actually like to read the article that the photo is for? No? Really? Well fark you then, here it is anyway   (rollingstone.com) divider line 196
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2013-07-18 10:03:21 AM
I'M MAD AS HELL ABOUT THIS! BUY THE WAY, CHECK OUT MY NEW BAND! OUR ALBUM DROPS SOON! UH-WAH-AH-AH-AH!
 
2013-07-18 10:03:32 AM
I'm glad Rolling Stone did this.  I think the prisons should give the magazine to every inmate in America.  It should whip them up with anticipation of rape while the kid is being tried and convicted.
 
2013-07-18 10:03:33 AM

Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?


Hardly Rock-Star treatment... Both are important cases of what mis-raising a child can create.
 
2013-07-18 10:04:23 AM

Mikey1969: This whole controversy is ridiculous. If they were fellating him in the article and praising his motivations, that would be one thing, but merely talking about what may have led to this kind of act, and the man's background is totally different. And the victims have gotten plenty of press(That's the next argument people whip out).

Jesus, the world isn't unicorns farting rainbows, bad people are out there, and we're just as interested in their motivations as we are in what happens to the nice people. Of course, some people are just shiatting their pants because the guy is on Rolling Stone for some reason.


Glorifying the victims of terrorism as heroes is only going to make kids want to be blown up by bombs!
 
2013-07-18 10:04:28 AM
I don't really have the capacity to be outraged over something like a Rolling Stone cover, but I certainly do disagree with their choice and agree with the argument that its a mistake to continue publicizing and showing pictures of those that do wrong, especially when its a glamour shot, since it only serves to reinforce the idea that doing wrong will get you publicity and attention.

Some (twisted) people really do see the world as depicted in "Natural Born Killers" and encouraging them is not exactly helping prevent future tragedy.  Regardless of the content of the article, there are some people looking at the news stand, wondering what it would take to get their own photo there.

I support the first amendment and their right to publish as they see fit, but I would prefer it if more media outlets would use thought, discretion, and responsibility.

But what do I know, I'm probably just a something-wing butthurt so-and-so.
 
2013-07-18 10:06:04 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: For the older brother yep, but for the younger it was the complete opposite. On Fresh Air a few weeks ago they even had on a guy who's kid was friends with the younger brother and from all accounts on the surface things were hunky dory.


true, but it sounds like, from the article, that things went to shiat fairly quickly in the last few years (divorce, father moving back to dagestan, mother following, both staying, sisters married off, etc) and so he only had his, now radicalized, brother as his only family support he could turn to.
 
2013-07-18 10:06:16 AM

Petit_Merdeux: Number of people who would have seen the RS cover without the media poutrage coverage:

15

Number who see it every 15 minutes in the 24-hour news coverage:

15,000,000


Number of people who already saw it anyway because it ran on every news station, web site, and newspaper for weeks:

300,000,000
 
2013-07-18 10:07:34 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: J.Shelby: The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone's long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. -THE EDITORS

When was the last time they did a study of their readers? 1978?


To be fair, "many" is one of those weasel words.
 
2013-07-18 10:07:43 AM

DigitalSorceress: Still it doesn't change my statement one whit - this guy on the cover of Rolling Stone looks more like a rock star than a terrorist


Would you prefer it if they put a turban on his head to conform to your notions of what a terrorist should look like?
 
2013-07-18 10:08:05 AM
HailRobonia, you have one of the best logins on the planet.

As for this cover shot, I haven't heard this much outrage in the Boston area since Bill Buckner blew the World Series for the Sox.  I just wish everyone was talking about the root causes of this kid's actions instead of the stupid cover.  We don't want more of these little monsters running around.
 
GBB
2013-07-18 10:08:14 AM
Print is dead.
static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-07-18 10:08:59 AM
Well in all fairness, he did rock boston
 
2013-07-18 10:09:00 AM

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


Why? Does he need horns and a pitchfork? Jesus, part of understanding things like this is coming to grips with the fact that these people look like the kid next door. I can 100% understand why they chose that picture. It's supposed to create the "What went wrong?" though in your head, since something obviously did. He didn't pop out of the womb wanting to blow up people at a marathon.
 
2013-07-18 10:10:20 AM

somedude210: true, but it sounds like, from the article, that things went to shiat fairly quickly in the last few years (divorce, father moving back to dagestan, mother following, both staying, sisters married off, etc) and so he only had his, now radicalized, brother as his only family support he could turn to.


True, just I guess I am still amazed at how far things can go from happy immigrant life to world of shiat
 
2013-07-18 10:11:04 AM

jfivealive: Well in all fairness, he did rock boston


Even pulled off two blasting loud shows in one day, that's effort on an artists part
 
2013-07-18 10:13:36 AM

trappedspirit: BunkoSquad: Who has time to read? We judge things by their covers in this society

Was this the headline you submitted it with?


That would have been a truly awesome headline...
 
2013-07-18 10:15:20 AM
Let's not forget this poor child was also, according to Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a victim of gun violence.
 
2013-07-18 10:17:54 AM

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


Yeah, they're called idiots.
 
2013-07-18 10:18:10 AM
We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
At ten thousand dollars a show.
 
2013-07-18 10:18:53 AM
false flag!
 
2013-07-18 10:20:06 AM

2wolves: We sing about beauty
and we sing about truth
At ten thousand dollars a show.


Damnit. Now I'll be singing that song all day.
 
2013-07-18 10:20:32 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: DigitalSorceress: Still it doesn't change my statement one whit - this guy on the cover of Rolling Stone looks more like a rock star than a terrorist

Would you prefer it if they put a turban on his head to conform to your notions of what a terrorist should look like?


I'm with DigitalSorceress. Why not post rock-star pictures of the victims instead and write the article about the bomber too?  Is the money really worth it compared to irreperably hurting those victims who are still alive that are looking for a little hope in our society? The problem with the American media today is that it forgoes common sense for shock value and profit 99% of the time... Promoting themes of racial division during the Trayvon case is another recent example.  They just seek to divide us all to make more $, and we swallow it whole.  They, likewise, take zero responsibility for it; it's always someone else's fault but their own.

/Fark em.
 
2013-07-18 10:22:27 AM
I understand why some people (especially those directly affected by the violence of the Boston Marathon bombing) would be disgusted by *any* image of the bomber, but I rather like the photo on the cover because it forces us to perceive the bomber as a human being, and that can help facilitate a discussion on what caused a human being to do such a disgusting act of inhumanity.

It's like the discussion of where to bury his brother.  Many people protested that we should just flush it down the shiatter or some other inhumane act of burial, but I think that is disingenuous to the fact that we have more in common with these terrorists than most of us would like to believe.
 
2013-07-18 10:23:20 AM
Here's the headline that might reach some impressionable young males--

See this kid?  He'll never go on a date, eat a non-gross meal, or have a pair of nice warm boobs in his hands EVER AGAIN.
 
2013-07-18 10:23:53 AM
Spin did an article about this when Dhokar was a fetus.
 
2013-07-18 10:23:55 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.

Yeah, they're called idiots.


I think that there are people who are genuinely upset at the cover.  People who were maybe downtown at the time of the bombings, people who live in the greater Boston area, or similar. The image on the cover may be stressful for those people.

But I am absolutely convinced that this is a classic bandwagon issue. For all of those people who may really be upset, there are going to be dozens of people who have to jump on the outrage bandwagon.
 
2013-07-18 10:26:08 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: and that can help facilitate a discussion on what caused a human being to do such a disgusting act of inhumanity.


Now you know full well that reasonableness has no business being around here
 
2013-07-18 10:26:30 AM

somedude210: abfalter: Terrorism feeds on media exposure. It's SOLE PURPOSE is to get it's message across by creating media exposiure.

I'm pretty sure the point of terrorism is to terrorize, and the fact that by having everyone collectively shiat themselves because of a damn photo has done the damage.

or, you know, we could have a rational conversation about this and thereby nullify the terrorists without having to drone strike their ass


The "point" of terrorism is twofold: to gain attention/exposure to, and to suppress/subjugate any possible resistance to their cause.  If they believed that they would be able to get more attention and/or converts by nonviolent means, they would use them.  And attention through their acts was exactly what they got.
 
2013-07-18 10:27:17 AM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Lor M. Ipsum: DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.

Yeah, they're called idiots.

I think that there are people who are genuinely upset at the cover.  People who were maybe downtown at the time of the bombings, people who live in the greater Boston area, or similar. The image on the cover may be stressful for those people.

But I am absolutely convinced that this is a classic bandwagon issue. For all of those people who may really be upset, there are going to be dozens of people who have to jump on the outrage bandwagon.


I agree; I over-reacted.  I tried to clarify a little further down
 
2013-07-18 10:27:38 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: True, just I guess I am still amazed at how far things can go from happy immigrant life to world of shiat


lesson learned: never become an immigrant
 
2013-07-18 10:28:00 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Lor M. Ipsum: and that can help facilitate a discussion on what caused a human being to do such a disgusting act of inhumanity.

Now you know full well that reasonableness has no business being around here


Yeah, but it's too early to start drinking
 
2013-07-18 10:33:06 AM

BAMFinator: I like the use of the word alleged.  I get they whole innocent until proven guilty, but is there much doubt here?


I was going to say this but also:

He's "alleged" until proven guilty which I get a little bit, but when all evidence points to innocent and they are proven so in a court of law like the Zimmerman case, you don't hear them properly calling him innocent.

The other day on the radio they said something about "Zimmerman alleges Trayvon was beating him to death by bashing his head against the ground..." and I'm yelling at the radio "ALLEGES?!?! It was proven with SCIENCE, entered as EVIDENCE in a COURT OF LAW and confirmed by a JURY. There is NO ALLEGING ABOUT IT."
 
2013-07-18 10:34:40 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: I understand why some people (especially those directly affected by the violence of the Boston Marathon bombing) would be disgusted by *any* image of the bomber, but I rather like the photo on the cover because it forces us to perceive the bomber as a human being, and that can help facilitate a discussion on what caused a human being to do such a disgusting act of inhumanity.

It's like the discussion of where to bury his brother.  Many people protested that we should just flush it down the shiatter or some other inhumane act of burial, but I think that is disingenuous to the fact that we have more in common with these terrorists than most of us would like to believe.


Good enough point. But couldn't they have done that on the inside of the magazine instead of glorifying him on the front cover? If they were really good at what they are supposed to be doing (writing), they could have made that point without doing that.  We glorify the villians in our society, never the victims.  Most of us still can't name one victim from 9-11, but we know the names of the terrorists.  The media focuses on the negative and forgets the whole lives of those who were cut short by idiocy and hatred. It's just sad.
 
2013-07-18 10:34:43 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: True, it's just...this ain't Time magazine so you cannot expect them to use a shot from say his court room appearance for instance.

especially for a story about his life before the bombing. It's a "look at this kid. he doesn't look like what you thought terrorists look like" thing


Looks Arab-ish to me.
 
2013-07-18 10:35:50 AM

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


Rock star? The photo had been widely circulated for months. It's not like RS called him in for a photo shoot.
 
2013-07-18 10:36:02 AM
This is Fark. No one reads the article around these parts.
 
2013-07-18 10:37:04 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I don't need to read it. Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11.


It took you that long?

Can't say you're alone though. Bill Clinton allowed it to happen after all.
 
2013-07-18 10:37:47 AM

J.Shelby: The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone's long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. -THE EDITORS

The article would be more credible without the leading excuses.


The only thing I find offensive is the idea that they're readers are college aged. Really? Really? C'mon now.
 
2013-07-18 10:38:31 AM
Usually, when there is some sort of popular outrage du jour, I can sorta-kinda see where it's coming from. I almost never agree with it, but I can understand it on some level.

This outrage is 100% invisible to me. I do not understand it at all. I do not see a "glam-rock-star" cover shot... I see something closer to a selfie. I see the sort of cover you'd expect for the story.

I am bewildered by people who seemingly never realized that every cover photo on every magazine cover they've seen in the past 20 years has been digitally altered in some way.

I am perplexed that people think this guy looked anything at all like Jim Morrison. A young Syd Barrett maybe, but even that's a stretch.

I am stunned by the people who are lining up to condemn an article they have never read.

And I have absolutely no idea why anyone could possibly care at this point who is on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Seriously, is it 1975 already?
 
2013-07-18 10:39:01 AM
People were protesting the photo, not the article.

Rolling Stone can put whatever they want on their cover. I wonder how they were able to make the kid look like Jim Morrison. Was that a photoshoot or a pre-bomb photo?
 
2013-07-18 10:39:38 AM
FTA: Jahar, or "Jizz," as his friends also called him

So that's what set him off...
 
2013-07-18 10:39:41 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: we have more in common with these terrorists than most of us would like to believe.


I can understand the reasoning for doing these stories, but it seems squandered on some subjects.
Terrorists, dictators, mass murderers, politicians, there isn't anything difficult to understand about these people and they don't share much with commoners.  They start out with a heart of malice and plan for self serving glory then finish out with inflicting an atrocity on humanity.
 There are lots of gray figures in current events that deserve the benefit of a doubt.

A mad bomber with a brother complex who drops explosives at the feet of an eight year old isn't one of them.
 
2013-07-18 10:40:41 AM

ManRay: People were protesting the photo, not the article.

Rolling Stone can put whatever they want on their cover. I wonder how they were able to make the kid look like Jim Morrison. Was that a photoshoot or a pre-bomb photo?


From what I read it was a self shot. It's appeared in other places as well.
 
2013-07-18 10:41:12 AM

Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?


Since when does the rockstar treatment include an article about how the said rockstar turned from average to monster?
 
2013-07-18 10:42:41 AM
I don't give a fark what's on the cover of Rolling Stone. Do I still have to read it?

// Although it sure seems to have been highly effective.
 
2013-07-18 10:43:53 AM

Mikey1969: DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.

Why? Does he need horns and a pitchfork? Jesus, part of understanding things like this is coming to grips with the fact that these people look like the kid next door. I can 100% understand why they chose that picture. It's supposed to create the "What went wrong?" though in your head, since something obviously did. He didn't pop out of the womb wanting to blow up people at a marathon.



At least sinister him up a little bit.

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2013-07-18 10:44:57 AM

abfalter: I don't care what the article is about.   It could be in the magazine with any other picture on the front.

What I care about is this:  Putting him on the cover is basically an invitation saying to any would-be domestic terrorists saying "Look!  If you do as this asshole then you, too, will be famous and have your picture on the cover of Rolling Stone!".

Terrorism feeds on media exposure.  It's SOLE PURPOSE is to get it's message across by creating media exposiure.

This is really an example of "Don't Feed The Trolls."


Uhm if that's all it takes to create terrorism then we've got a much bigger problem on our hands than a Rolling Stone cover.
 
2013-07-18 10:45:18 AM

Bullseyed: Looks Arab-ish to me.


well Caucasians will do that
 
2013-07-18 10:49:53 AM

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


Because rock stars are all fine upstanding citizens which we should model ourselves after?

What does that even mean, "looking like a rock star?" That's your stuff. No tats and no guitar, no rock star.
 
2013-07-18 10:54:38 AM

way south: There are lots of gray figures in current events that deserve the benefit of a doubt.
A mad bomber with a brother complex who drops explosives at the feet of an eight year old isn't one of them.


Is that the source of the outrage here? Are people actually believing that RS's angle is "this terrorist deserves the benefit of the doubt"? That they're trying to elicit sympathy for him?

I'm being serious... is that what you actually believe is being done here?
 
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