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(Rolling Stone)   Now that everyone has collectively shiat themselves over a photo of an alleged terrorist, would you actually like to read the article that the photo is for? No? Really? Well fark you then, here it is anyway   (rollingstone.com) divider line 196
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2013-07-18 09:33:06 AM
The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone's long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. -THE EDITORS

The article would be more credible without the leading excuses.
 
2013-07-18 09:33:08 AM
Fark you subby!  I LOVE being outraged.

It is the only way I feel alive in this empty life of mine.
 
2013-07-18 09:33:26 AM
It was actually a pretty decent article, it's a shame it will get overlooked because people shiat themselves collectively over dumb crap
 
2013-07-18 09:34:22 AM
Who has time to read? We judge things by their covers in this society
 
2013-07-18 09:34:23 AM
Perfect example of the poutrage culture.
 
2013-07-18 09:34:25 AM
I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.
 
2013-07-18 09:35:15 AM
I can't believe how stupid some people are about this stupid glammed up cover.  They need to just go fark themselves.  People with emotions are sooooo stupid.  Dead people and kids with missing limbs just need to get over it already.

Also, something about how it is just conservatards getting upset about it.... enlightened liberals are totally hip.
 
2013-07-18 09:35:16 AM
Boston.com was so infuriated by the cover that they've run 418 articles about it...each featuring a picture of the horrible cover
 
2013-07-18 09:36:05 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: It was actually a pretty decent article, it's a shame it will get overlooked because people shiat themselves collectively over dumb crap


sometimes the ignorant tightass club gets you, sometimes you get surrounded by ignorant tightasses

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


....you understand that it was a photo he took months/years ago and the same photo every news agency has used since they found out it was him, right?
 
2013-07-18 09:36:31 AM

J.Shelby: The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone's long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. -THE EDITORS


When was the last time they did a study of their readers? 1978?
 
2013-07-18 09:37:14 AM
In defense of the pants shiaters, it might have been nice if they'd at least used a photograph that didn't recall a Adam Levine photo shoot. Let's be honest here: This was designed to generate some rabblerabblerabble.
 
2013-07-18 09:39:27 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: J.Shelby: The cover story we are publishing this week falls within the traditions of journalism and Rolling Stone's long-standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of the most important political and cultural issues of our day. The fact that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is young, and in the same age group as many of our readers, makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. -THE EDITORS

When was the last time they did a study of their readers? 1978?


Its not who actually reads it but who they tell their advertisers that reads it.
 
2013-07-18 09:41:17 AM
This is the same quality as most of the other non-music related articles in Rolling Stone.  Excellent.  It is an honest look at Johar from his time in high school as a good kid followed by the problems caused from his parents going back to Russia, his brother's turn to radical islam and his loss of friends and purpose in college.
 
2013-07-18 09:42:36 AM

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.


Hey, Stop being reasonable! We don't cotton to that 'round here!
 
2013-07-18 09:42:49 AM

Lexx: Perfect example of the poutrage culture.


Also a perfect example of how most people are absolutely incapable of allowing nuanced concepts to enter their brains, and how tragedy must be packaged such that it confirms existing stereotypes about the nature of evil.

This is a good book on a similar subject:

www.esquire.com
 
2013-07-18 09:42:56 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: When was the last time they did a study of their readers? 1978?


Seriously.  The kid was 19, and if I recall correctly was 18 in that picture.  RS hasn't catered to the 18yo age group in eons.  For fark's sake, 18yo practically never touch physical, printed, magazines anymore.

If anything, the demographic of RS these days is waiting rooms at orthopedic doctor's offices....
 
2013-07-18 09:43:03 AM

Snort: Fark you subby!  I LOVE being outraged.

It is the only way I feel alive in this empty life of mine.


Well, there's that, and schadenfreude....and beer.
 
2013-07-18 09:43:10 AM

somedude210: sometimes the ignorant tightass club gets you, sometimes you get surrounded by ignorant tightasses


True, it's just...this ain't Time magazine so you cannot expect them to use a shot from say his court room appearance for instance.
 
2013-07-18 09:43:53 AM

satanorsanta: and his loss of friends and purpose in college.


As a graduate of UMD, I can tell you that that place will suck whatever joy you had about life right out of you. I still swear you can trace back the financial crash to one of our business students.

/was pleasantly amused they described the campus as the grey slab it is.
 
2013-07-18 09:44:08 AM
www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2013-07-18 09:44:28 AM
I like the use of the word alleged.  I get they whole innocent until proven guilty, but is there much doubt here?
 
2013-07-18 09:45:59 AM
Time Magazine Person of the Year (and on the cover)
1938 - Adolf Hitler
1939 - Joseph Stalin
1942 - Joseph Stalin
1979 - Ayatollah Khomeini
1995 - Newt Gingrich

You mean bad guys get cover shots too? This is an outrage.
 
2013-07-18 09:45:59 AM
Well thanks George W Bush
 
2013-07-18 09:46:00 AM

Snort: Fark you subby!  I LOVE being outraged.

It is the only way I feel alive in this empty life of mine.


/FAVORITED
 
2013-07-18 09:46:12 AM
Good god, enough already...

Boston was bad. Three people died. The story was sexy and featured a young Bob Dylan look-alike. But honestly, it really didn't rank that far up in the tragedy category, even for that week. A fertilizer factory in Texas blew up, wiped out a small town, killed dozens, and the cause is suspicious and not fully known--that story was pushed to the back page so Mr. Floppy hair jihadi-whiner could take the spotlight. Enough of this, giving Dhzerk-off the press and attention he and his brother what they really wanted.

/rant off
 
2013-07-18 09:46:39 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: True, it's just...this ain't Time magazine so you cannot expect them to use a shot from say his court room appearance for instance.


especially for a story about his life before the bombing. It's a "look at this kid. he doesn't look like what you thought terrorists look like" thing
 
2013-07-18 09:49:05 AM
These were all so much worse:
assets.rollingstone.com
www.foliomag.com
assets.rollingstone.com
www.dailystab.com

That's not even all of them.

Nauseating.
 
2013-07-18 09:49:38 AM
Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?
 
2013-07-18 09:50:10 AM
So, actually, I haven't been following things that closely so I didn't realize this was the same photo every news outlet has been using...I tend to keep far away from most of the mainstream media. Still it doesn't change my statement one whit - this guy on the cover of Rolling Stone looks more like a rock star than a terrorist - I get that they want to tell the story, I get that this is a pic of him from before he did this, but it just seems kind of insensitive to put this pic of him on the cover of this magazine... it's a context thing.

DigitalSorceress: I don't question the article - but to give him a front page shot on Rolling Stone looking like a rock star? I can see why some folks are a bit bothered by it.

....you understand that it was a photo he took months/years ago and the same photo every news agency has used since they found out it was him, right?
 
2013-07-18 09:50:14 AM

somedude210: especially for a story about his life before the bombing. It's a "look at this kid. he doesn't look like what you thought terrorists look like" thing


What's so interesting about the article is when you compare it to his statements recently about how he was a loner, had no friends, never fit in, etc.. when the reality is at least on the surface this kid was given nearly every chance you can think of. Good schools, a large circle of people he hung out with, decent family life, etc...

And to see what he became is just an amazing transformation, that instead of reading about this and learning more about what radicalizes people, we huff and puff about a god damn photo.
 
2013-07-18 09:50:40 AM
this reminds me of when women fall in love with criminals and men in jail..
this piece was a terrorist sympathizer and romantizer's wet dream.
 
2013-07-18 09:51:56 AM
Trying to differentiate between the people outraged by the cover, and the people who are outraged by the people outraged by the cover.
 
2013-07-18 09:52:12 AM

p the boiler: Time Magazine Person of the Year (and on the cover)
1938 - Adolf Hitler
1939 - Joseph Stalin
1942 - Joseph Stalin
1979 - Ayatollah Khomeini
1995 - Newt Gingrich

You mean bad guys get cover shots too? This is an outrage.


You left out the absolute worst "person of the year": 2006.
 
2013-07-18 09:52:57 AM

BunkoSquad: Who has time to read? We judge things by their covers in this society


Was this the headline you submitted it with?
 
2013-07-18 09:53:33 AM
I don't need to read it. Everything I know about Islam I learned on 9/11.
 
2013-07-18 09:53:57 AM
Number of people who would have seen the RS cover without the media poutrage coverage:

15

Number who see it every 15 minutes in the 24-hour news coverage:

15,000,000
 
2013-07-18 09:53:59 AM
Everyone SHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I'm reading.
 
2013-07-18 09:54:23 AM

HailRobonia: p the boiler: Time Magazine Person of the Year (and on the cover)
1938 - Adolf Hitler
1939 - Joseph Stalin
1942 - Joseph Stalin
1979 - Ayatollah Khomeini
1995 - Newt Gingrich

You mean bad guys get cover shots too? This is an outrage.

You left out the absolute worst "person of the year": 2006.


2006 was before Justin Bieber hit, right?
 
2013-07-18 09:56:54 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: What's so interesting about the article is when you compare it to his statements recently about how he was a loner, had no friends, never fit in, etc.. when the reality is at least on the surface this kid was given nearly every chance you can think of. Good schools, a large circle of people he hung out with, decent family life, etc..


Are you sure that wasn't about his brother? His brother seemed to have the problems fitting in and that, I think, ultimately lead him to go into radicalized Islam. Johar, who looked up to his brother, then followed the same path for different reasons (not fitting in with college, etc)

I think ultimately, you find that the reason most people do these sorts of things like the marathon bombing and Columbine and whatnot is that they don't feel like they fit in, like that there is something inherently wrong with them that they can't figure out but everyone knows. It sends them into an increasing spiral of depression which they turn to anger and then when it builds up enough, they take that anger out on someone.

The home life in the Tsarnaev family sounds like it was pretty rough to begin with. I'd be impressed if anyone could grow up in a family like that and not go off the deep end in some way
 
2013-07-18 09:59:17 AM
Congratulations, you all fell for the generate outrage to put your magazine name in the headlines ploy.
 
2013-07-18 09:59:28 AM
I don't care what the article is about.   It could be in the magazine with any other picture on the front.

What I care about is this:  Putting him on the cover is basically an invitation saying to any would-be domestic terrorists saying "Look!  If you do as this asshole then you, too, will be famous and have your picture on the cover of Rolling Stone!".

Terrorism feeds on media exposure.  It's SOLE PURPOSE is to get it's message across by creating media exposiure.

This is really an example of "Don't Feed The Trolls."
 
2013-07-18 10:00:00 AM
People who think he looks like a rock star are smoking bad stuff.  Looks like a kid in a t-shirt.  WTF?!?

Great article.
 
2013-07-18 10:00:12 AM

Jesus built my hybrid: Congratulations, you all fell for the generate outrage to put your magazine name in the headlines ploy.


This. I was actually surprised to hear that Rolling Stone was still a thing.
 
2013-07-18 10:00:12 AM
"The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about Basketball Diaries?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it. The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory.

In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."

- Roger Ebert
 
2013-07-18 10:01:11 AM
Fine.  I read it.  Can we hang him now?
 
2013-07-18 10:01:20 AM

somedude210: The home life in the Tsarnaev family sounds like it was pretty rough to begin with. I'd be impressed if anyone could grow up in a family like that and not go off the deep end in some way


For the older brother yep, but for the younger it was the complete opposite. On Fresh Air a few weeks ago they even had on a guy who's kid was friends with the younger brother and from all accounts on the surface things were hunky dory.
 
2013-07-18 10:01:35 AM

Wendy's Chili: Adam Lanza was "the same age as their readers" too. How come he never got the rock star treatment?


No fan girls.
 
2013-07-18 10:02:05 AM
This whole controversy is ridiculous. If they were fellating him in the article and praising his motivations, that would be one thing, but merely talking about what may have led to this kind of act, and the man's background is totally different. And the victims have gotten plenty of press(That's the next argument people whip out).

Jesus, the world isn't unicorns farting rainbows, bad people are out there, and we're just as interested in their motivations as we are in what happens to the nice people. Of course, some people are just shiatting their pants because the guy is on Rolling Stone for some reason.
 
2013-07-18 10:02:20 AM

abfalter: Terrorism feeds on media exposure. It's SOLE PURPOSE is to get it's message across by creating media exposiure.


I'm pretty sure the point of terrorism is to terrorize, and the fact that by having everyone collectively shiat themselves because of a damn photo has done the damage.

or, you know, we could have a rational conversation about this and thereby nullify the terrorists without having to drone strike their ass
 
2013-07-18 10:02:55 AM

DigitalSorceress: So, actually, I haven't been following things that closely so I didn't realize this was the same photo every news outlet has been using... - this guy on the cover of Rolling Stone looks more like a rock star than a terrorist.


Wait are you telling me that terrorists might not look like this...
altrapoint.com

But look like this...
blogs.tribune.com.pk
  or this...

3.bp.blogspot.com

Maybe, just maybe, that's kind of the point.
 
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