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(Jalopnik)   For $1,400 this "inventor" will give upgrade your V8 Mustang to make 400 hp, while getting 100 mpg. If you order in the next 10 minutes he'll throw in a liter of blinker fluid   (jalopnik.com) divider line 121
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2013-07-18 10:06:18 AM  
Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?
 
2013-07-18 10:09:24 AM  
Hmmm.  Change the muffler bearings, and tune the turboencabulator, and we've got a deal.
 
2013-07-18 10:12:08 AM  

For $1,400 this "inventor" will give upgrade


Major ____ de Coverley will be there.
 
2013-07-18 10:16:45 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Hmmm.  Change the muffler bearings, and tune the turboencabulator, and we've got a deal.


Hey now. I had my muffler bearings replaced and picked up a good 50HP. No, I haven't had a before/after dyno done, nor done before / after runs at the local track, but I can FEEL it!

The fart can muffler and R stickers were good for another 25 as well.
 
2013-07-18 10:17:13 AM  
"One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.
 
2013-07-18 10:20:46 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?


That will be awesome when we start traveling in space.  Black hole generators, made from 3D printers, powering us through the stars.
 
2013-07-18 10:23:57 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: "One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.


You're missing the point: the energy that he claims to be using to move the pistons is coming from the movement of the pistons.  So, pistons turn the alternator, which generates electricity, which is used to move the pistons.  The net effect of this system (because thermodynamics) is that you're going to get less energy out of the system then you're putting into it.
 
2013-07-18 10:26:18 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?


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2013-07-18 10:26:32 AM  
The guarantee that he's a fraud comes from his unwillingness to allow people to test drive his vehicle.  Give someone a week to drive it, say, 1,000 miles and see if they can do this without putting any fuel in the vehicle.  If he wants to just lock everything up so no one can see his special, magic engine or whatnot, that test alone would be enough to show that he's got SOMETHING going on.
 
2013-07-18 10:26:51 AM  
Sounds like a good paypal collection idea, who wants to pony up their car for a "test"
 
2013-07-18 10:26:58 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: "One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.


You're not increasing eefficiency if the engine has to work harder to power the electromagnets to increase the efficiency of the pistons. That's the point he's trying to make. The engine has to work harder to power these magnets, meaning that its efficiency is decreasing.
 
2013-07-18 10:28:13 AM  

born_yesterday: Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?

That will be awesome when we start traveling in space.  Black hole generators, made from 3D printers, powering us through the stars.


I know, right? It's totally plausible too. I mean it's the height of arrogance to think we know how big and empty space is just because we have pictures and data. For all we know, there might be aliens hiding behind Jupiter just waiting for us with party balloons and confetti!

"You made it! Yay! Join the cosmic party little apes! Just like it said in the books you read when you were 12 Earth years old!"

And then they punch your parking ticket for your space Mustang, oh what fun it will be.
 
2013-07-18 10:28:18 AM  
 I don't know for sure that Pelmear is wrong, but I've got to have far more proof than what I've seen so far.

That is a good statement from the physicist. I like it, lends a lot of credibility to his assessment, since he's admitting that he isn't Kreskin, and without actively seeing what's going on, he can't make a 100% informed decision.
 
2013-07-18 10:28:29 AM  
Nice, but does his car whistle?

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Woo, woo!
 
2013-07-18 10:39:29 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: "One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.


No, that's not reasonable at all, actually - not in the way it's being executed here, since each conversion of the energy is going to be "lossy".
 
2013-07-18 10:40:13 AM  
I'll pass. If I had a car and the money to throw at it, I'd give it to this guy

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1428893~28079666d852342090f9de f4 4dfe9b29/MotorheadMessiah.pdf
 
2013-07-18 10:43:03 AM  
oh you just have to read the comments section


"A few years ago, I was driving my 78 firebird down to Hilton Head to spend the weekend with a bunch of friends. The friend hosting the party was the kind of guy that you just knew was always good for a good time-he had that sort of sparkle in his eye that made it clear there was always something up his sleeve, so I was really looking forward to the booze and the beach and the breeze and was in an incredibly good mood. Late spring to the sunset air was crisp, and the road was empty on both sides as far as I could see. I had the windows down, some aviators on, and Led Zeppelin III cranked up. Life was pretty damn good for a 20 year old kid. "
 
2013-07-18 10:44:27 AM  

Mikey1969: To The Escape Zeppelin!: "One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.

You're not increasing eefficiency if the engine has to work harder to power the electromagnets to increase the efficiency of the pistons. That's the point he's trying to make. The engine has to work harder to power these magnets, meaning that its efficiency is decreasing.


The first computer at Kitty Hawk only ran Windows '03 for 12 seconds. This technology will improve, just like hard drives did. Why are you such a Luddite?
 
2013-07-18 10:45:19 AM  
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2013-07-18 10:45:44 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Hmmm.  Change the muffler bearings, and tune the turboencabulator, and we've got a deal.


No time for that, I'm having the smoke changed in my electrical system
 
2013-07-18 10:47:51 AM  
I went to high school with somebody on HP2g's "Management Team" and I used to get to see constant self-affirmational BS on their facebook page about spreading the word, fighting the big three and oil companies who were trying to keep them down, etc.  But that has all dried up, so I assumed the company had finally reached their potential energy minimum.

/Thermodynamics wins
 
2013-07-18 10:49:44 AM  
Why is there the myth that the guy in his garage with limited resources can come up with something miraculous while the numerous engineers at a car company with way more resources and whose job it is to make better cars can't?

Is there any reason to explain in depth to say why an idea won't work when the claimant won't allow independent testing of his claims? If this scam artist's claim was a third as good as he claims, he'd have all the car companies begging him for licensing rights.
 
2013-07-18 10:49:45 AM  

whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?

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Oh OK, so HERE all of a sudden modern science and physics is well enough understood?
 
2013-07-18 10:49:59 AM  
I know this is a scam because it uses a stupid made-up word like 'liter'.
 
2013-07-18 10:50:13 AM  
If I combine this invention with one of those HHO electrolysis cells, can I get 200mpg?
 
2013-07-18 10:50:54 AM  

Befuddled: Why is there the myth that the guy in his garage with limited resources can come up with something miraculous while the numerous engineers at a car company with way more resources and whose job it is to make better cars can't?


It's part of American culture. At some point, it WAS possible for that to happen. Not anymore. It's captivating and romantic to think about it though.
 
2013-07-18 11:05:02 AM  

Ivo Shandor: If I combine this invention with one of those HHO electrolysis cells, can I get 200mpg?


You  can, but those things are expensive, so you won't be saving any money unless you keep your car for about 20 years.

I just replace all my car's wiring with Monster™ cables. You'd be surprised how much pep your engine wastes trying to cycle the electric power it generates through the high-impedance, oxygen-saturated wires that are factory-standard on most cars.
 
2013-07-18 11:05:44 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: I know this is a scam because it uses a stupid made-up word like 'liter'.


That's a real thing. It's a person who doesn't have total Fark.
 
2013-07-18 11:13:34 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?

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Oh OK, so HERE all of a sudden modern science and physics is well enough understood?


Modern science and physics are already working on making cars more energy efficient. They are also working on getting cars away from fossil fuels. But just as I thinks this guy is either a crackpot or a scam artist, I will feel the same way about some guy in his basement claiming to have created a wormhole generator but not letting anyone verify the claim. If a major car company claimed, and verified, a 100MPG car, then we are onto something. Until then, put your schtick away, QA. It gets old and tired.
 
2013-07-18 11:13:37 AM  
How does this compare to Direct Exhaust Injection? Can they be made to work together?
 
2013-07-18 11:14:48 AM  

whosits_112: Until then, put your schtick away, QA. It gets old and tired.


He's not going to put it away. That's what ignore lists are for.
 
2013-07-18 11:16:24 AM  
But will he replace the winter air in my tires with summer air for free?
 
2013-07-18 11:17:33 AM  

bikerbob59: But will he replace the winter air in my tires with summer air for free?


Heh.  Haven't seen an ad for offers to put pure nitrogen into tires for a while.
 
2013-07-18 11:18:13 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Befuddled: Why is there the myth that the guy in his garage with limited resources can come up with something miraculous while the numerous engineers at a car company with way more resources and whose job it is to make better cars can't?

It's part of American culture. At some point, it WAS possible for that to happen. Not anymore. It's captivating and romantic to think about it though.


Well, the thing is that we can still do that -- it's just that we have to work in different, emerging industries.  Sure, Henry Ford literally designed a car in his garage when the auto industry was in its infancy.  Michael Dell literally built computers in his garage when the personal computer market was in its infancy.  Mark Zuckerberg literally built a computer program in his dormroom when social networking was in its infancy.

You absolutely still can design and build something unique and new and build it into a company but it's going to have to be in an area that companies aren't spending billions of dollars and employing tens of thousands of highly skilled, highly trained, highly intelligent engineers on.
 
2013-07-18 11:19:59 AM  

whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?

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Oh OK, so HERE all of a sudden modern science and physics is well enough understood?

Modern science and physics are already working on making cars more energy efficient. They are also working on getting cars away from fossil fuels. But just as I thinks this guy is either a crackpot or a scam artist, I will feel the same way about some guy in his basement claiming to have created a wormhole generator but not letting anyone verify the claim. If a major car company claimed, and verified, a 100MPG car, then we are onto something. Until then, put your schtick away, QA. It gets old and tired.


1) I'm pretty sure that OP was joking.
2) If this guy allowed independent verification of his vehicle by random people in the media, I'd begin to think he was on to something.
 
2013-07-18 11:22:21 AM  

born_yesterday: bikerbob59: But will he replace the winter air in my tires with summer air for free?

Heh.  Haven't seen an ad for offers to put pure nitrogen into tires for a while.


One of the local tire companies offers to do it for free.  Personally, I think I should go into business offering my special blend of 75% (minimum) Nitrogen inflation.
 
2013-07-18 11:22:35 AM  

Befuddled: Why is there the myth that the guy in his garage with limited resources can come up with something miraculous while the numerous engineers at a car company with way more resources and whose job it is to make better cars can't?


Because the oil industry, the octopus that they are, have their hands in all of the engineering schools in the country.  Part of the cariculum that they force all science and engineers is some made up theories that you cannot get more energy out  of a system than is put in, thermosomethingerother.  We are currently brainwashing all the people smart enough to come up with these systems with the idea that it is crackpot to even think these systems are possible.  Only a person working in their basement without any formal training is able to see the potential because they have not been brainwashed by big oil.
 
2013-07-18 11:25:18 AM  

meanmutton: whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: whosits_112: Quantum Apostrophe: Why are you all such Luddites? It's the height of arrogance to suggest we know everything about how the universe works. Maybe he found a new way of burning atoms? Maybe this magical fuel will finally get Humanity off this mud ball and into a deadly vacuum, where it belongs?

[image.spreadshirt.com image 190x190]
[image.spreadshirt.com image 178x178]

Oh OK, so HERE all of a sudden modern science and physics is well enough understood?

Modern science and physics are already working on making cars more energy efficient. They are also working on getting cars away from fossil fuels. But just as I thinks this guy is either a crackpot or a scam artist, I will feel the same way about some guy in his basement claiming to have created a wormhole generator but not letting anyone verify the claim. If a major car company claimed, and verified, a 100MPG car, then we are onto something. Until then, put your schtick away, QA. It gets old and tired.

1) I'm pretty sure that OP was joking.
2) If this guy allowed independent verification of his vehicle by random people in the media, I'd begin to think he was on to something.



Have you seen QA post before? He comes into many geek/science threads and just shiats all over everything. He's either delusional, or a master troll. If he is serious about what he spouts, he would have been one of those idiots from the advent of the steam locomotive talking about how such high speeds would suck the air from the lungs of passengers.
 
2013-07-18 11:25:51 AM  
Or Volkswagen has a real, low production, car that gets 260MPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car

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2013-07-18 11:41:47 AM  
My money's actually on Hydrogen for the vehicle market.  I don't think it scales really well for large scale electricity production, but with newer advances in cathodes, catalysts, and hydrogen generation, I think H is going to drive the fleet of the future, personally.

Wind and solar are "starting" to get there in terms of commercial production for consumer electricity, but they still have a ways to go, and it won't be completely viable until we start building come capacitance into the grid itself.
 
2013-07-18 11:46:54 AM  

whosits_112: Until then, put your schtick away, QA. It gets old and tired.


Yes but some people think that because we are squeezing a few percent here and there out of a hundred year old technology, that it means warp drives will be 3D printed tomorrow because science.

whosits_112: Have you seen QA post before? He comes into many geek/science threads and just shiats all over everything. He's either delusional, or a master troll. If he is serious about what he spouts, he would have been one of those idiots from the advent of the steam locomotive talking about how such high speeds would suck the air from the lungs of passengers.


It's like improv jazz, I riff on what I hear people say and throw it back at you. I have no other way of showing you how ridiculous some people sound to me.

As for the locomotive thing, that's exactly what I'm talking about: it took only a few years with Victorian technology to demonstrate the falseness of that claim.

You are also using 21th century reading on what was probably a very literary 18th century barb, but whatever.

So knowing that some things only take a few years to improve vastly, we also notice some things don't improve nearly as much. Why is it that we insist on thinking that all things will improve at the same rate because some other unrelated technology has improved?

We have faster and cheaper computers now, but where is the Concorde?

See?

So when I see the usual collection of rabid Space Nutters dreaming about layers upon layers of impossible technologies and improbable magical energy sources, just because computers got better, it sounds completely deluded to me. Or at least childishly naive.

And when you try to point these people in the direction of physics, chemistry, engineering and reality, they react with such passion about how we don't know everything, etc. bla bla bla.

But in other cases, they seem pretty sure about physics.

It fascinates me.
 
2013-07-18 11:50:25 AM  

dragonfire77: My money's actually on Hydrogen for the vehicle market.  I don't think it scales really well for large scale electricity production, but with newer advances in cathodes, catalysts, and hydrogen generation, I think H is going to drive the fleet of the future, personally.


It's possible, but batteries have a huge head start on H2 at this point.  They seem to be a lot closer to overcoming their significant drawbacks than Hydrogen is to its.
 
2013-07-18 11:53:22 AM  

Hollie Maea: dragonfire77: My money's actually on Hydrogen for the vehicle market.  I don't think it scales really well for large scale electricity production, but with newer advances in cathodes, catalysts, and hydrogen generation, I think H is going to drive the fleet of the future, personally.

It's possible, but batteries have a huge head start on H2 at this point.  They seem to be a lot closer to overcoming their significant drawbacks than Hydrogen is to its.


The biggest hurdle that H2 has yet to overcome is 'failure modes'...
 
2013-07-18 11:53:59 AM  

dragonfire77: My money's actually on Hydrogen for the vehicle market.


That's a non-starter. Sorry.

dragonfire77: I think H is going to drive the fleet of the future, personally.


You wanna put some money there for real? How long you wanna wait? 10, 20 years? My bet is on "never".

dragonfire77: Wind and solar are "starting" to get there in terms of commercial production for consumer electricity,


Here in Quebec wind and hydro are powering the whole corrupt mess of a province. Not too sure about solar, there was never a big push for it here.

We already have electric charging stations and Tesla has a shop in Laval.

Batteries and electric motors are understood technology, ie forklifts, golf carts, etc..

My bet is the following:

As fossil fuel becomes more and more expensive, and will have to come from dirtier sources, energy costs will rise.

People won't fetishize cars as much and we'll get along with more public transit, motorcycles, bikes, tele-working, what have you.

There will be fewer cars of any kind. Society's mores will change with the cost of energy.

Hydrogen? Won't ever be anything more than a tax scam for car manufacturers. Come up with a new hydrogen car every few years, then it disappears quietly.

You'll see more and more electric cars but it'll be single digit percentages for decades to come.
 
2013-07-18 12:00:46 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: "One problem, though: where does the energy to run the electromagnets come from? You're switching the current back and forth through them to move the piston, which uses energy."

It's still a fraud but that's not a good argument against it. You're not trying to build a perpetual motion machine, you're just trying to increase the efficiency of the pistons. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that increasing power usage in one area might improve overall efficiency.


Conservation of energy says no. You can't get more energy out of "improving efficiency" on the piston by taking energy from the piston to make that improvement. There's always going to be inefficiency in the transfer (usually dissipated as heat energy), but you can't just "make" more energy.
 
2013-07-18 12:02:28 PM  
Wait until we have more electric cars - we'll have some guy claiming that, with some simple proprietary modifications that he won't show or let anyone test, the batteries will provide 100-500% more efficiency than what would normally exist in an unmodified vehicle.

He'll be complaining that "Big Battery" is holding down his invention.
 
2013-07-18 12:02:35 PM  

dragonfire77: The biggest hurdle that H2 has yet to overcome is 'failure modes'...


...and the laughably low overall efficiency and the very real materials problems in handling cryogenic hydrogen.

I'll take my chances on a big stack of LiFePO4 cells.
 
2013-07-18 12:08:37 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: As fossil fuel becomes more and more expensive, and will have to come from dirtier sources, energy costs will rise.

People won't fetishize cars as much and we'll get along with more public transit, motorcycles, bikes, tele-working, what have you.

There will be fewer cars of any kind. Society's mores will change with the cost of energy.

Hydrogen? Won't ever be anything more than a tax scam for car manufacturers. Come up with a new hydrogen car every few years, then it disappears quietly.

You'll see more and more electric cars but it'll be single digit percentages for decades to come.


I disagree with you on plenty of stuff, but not on this.
 
2013-07-18 12:12:11 PM  

Hollie Maea: Quantum Apostrophe: As fossil fuel becomes more and more expensive, and will have to come from dirtier sources, energy costs will rise.

People won't fetishize cars as much and we'll get along with more public transit, motorcycles, bikes, tele-working, what have you.

There will be fewer cars of any kind. Society's mores will change with the cost of energy.

Hydrogen? Won't ever be anything more than a tax scam for car manufacturers. Come up with a new hydrogen car every few years, then it disappears quietly.

You'll see more and more electric cars but it'll be single digit percentages for decades to come.

I disagree with you on plenty of stuff, but not on this.


But if you believe that, you have to believe what I believe when it comes to space fantasies/mega engineering dreams.
 
2013-07-18 12:13:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Here in Quebec wind and hydro are powering the whole corrupt mess of a province. Not too sure about solar, there was never a big push for it here.


The further away you are from the sun (Higher latitudes) the less useful solar becomes.  Again, you won't see many 'renewables' in the utility electricity grid in any significant volume until you start seeing capacitance in the grid.

As for H, When I start seeing things like this in the works, storing Hydrogen in Ammonia borane instead of a metal-based, or pressurized systems, I see real advantages, even above the safety levels of gasoline based vehicles.  If you have no combustible fuel stored int eh vehicle, the risk of explosions in collisions is virtually zero.

And for the record, these fuel-cell cars ARE electric.  They use the hydrogen to generate electricity.  They don't burn it like a standard combustion engine. The hydrogen fuel cell vehicles operate almost exactly the same as a golf cart, etc.  The only difference would be the battery they use.

The reason I keep rooting for Hydrogen is that it's the single most abundant element in the universe.  You can electrolyze your own fuel....not as much need for a huge fuel-transport infrastructure.  "Charging stations" would only be used by people driving further than their tank would allow, and would probably cease to be used at all by commuters.
 
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