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(CNN)   Two counts of murder, 512 counts of kidnapping, 446 counts of rape, seven counts of gross sexual imposition, six counts of felonious assault, three counts of child endangerment and (last but not least) one count of possessing criminal tools   (cnn.com) divider line 199
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2013-07-18 01:42:07 AM
And a partridge in a pear tree!!!
 
2013-07-18 01:52:31 AM

hardinparamedic: And a partridge in a pear tree!!!


dammit
 
2013-07-18 01:59:56 AM
512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.
 
2013-07-18 02:05:14 AM

doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.


Yeah, presuming he's found guilty on all charges, reducing kidnapping to the 3-5 counts would probably just change his first chance at parole from somewhere around 2456 to maybe 2212, given all the other extensive charges. Leave a note for future wardens, if he actually lives that long, bury him in a box and burn the paperwork.
 
2013-07-18 02:17:51 AM

Boojum2k: doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.

Yeah, presuming he's found guilty on all charges, reducing kidnapping to the 3-5 counts would probably just change his first chance at parole from somewhere around 2456 to maybe 2212, given all the other extensive charges. Leave a note for future wardens, if he actually lives that long, bury him in a box and burn the paperwork.


I get upset when I see lists like this, anyway. It's cheating on the part of the prosecutors.

Do you really want to see him prosecuted for 500+ cases of alleged rape and spend all your tax money eating, or one count of capital monstrosity and rotting nice and free in a hole in the ground with a hemp necktie.
 
2013-07-18 02:21:03 AM

doglover: It's cheating on the part of the prosecutors.


I agree, and prosecutors who play dirty like this should be slammed. They have a good solid case, why fark around with it?
 
2013-07-18 02:27:21 AM

Boojum2k: doglover: It's cheating on the part of the prosecutors.

I agree, and prosecutors who play dirty like this should be slammed. They have a good solid case, why fark around with it?


Because 512 counts of rape, adding up to X lifetimes in prison, sounds good to stupid people.

One count of being evil enough to hang tomorrow sounds much better to most.

A handful of appeals in there is a nice balance.
 
2013-07-18 02:58:50 AM

doglover: Boojum2k: doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.

Yeah, presuming he's found guilty on all charges, reducing kidnapping to the 3-5 counts would probably just change his first chance at parole from somewhere around 2456 to maybe 2212, given all the other extensive charges. Leave a note for future wardens, if he actually lives that long, bury him in a box and burn the paperwork.

I get upset when I see lists like this, anyway. It's cheating on the part of the prosecutors.

Do you really want to see him prosecuted for 500+ cases of alleged rape and spend all your tax money eating, or one count of capital monstrosity and rotting nice and free in a hole in the ground with a hemp necktie.


The goal isn't to take it all to trial.  The goal is to force him to accept a deal that may include some glimmer of hope for parole (that he has about as much a chance of getting as Manson) in exchange for him rolling over on the charges and saving the state the cost of a trial and the victims having to testify and relive the ordeal.
 
2013-07-18 03:02:56 AM
I hope that monster is put to death.
 
2013-07-18 03:19:13 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The goal isn't to take it all to trial. The goal is to force him to accept a deal


Like I said, a broken system.
 
2013-07-18 03:23:33 AM
He may get away with the murder, the kidnapping, the rape, the gross sexual imposition, the felonious assault and the child endangerment, but BY GOD, there is NO WAY he's going to beat the rap on possessing criminal tools!

Case closed!
 
2013-07-18 04:04:52 AM
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STERNN!
 
2013-07-18 08:07:02 AM

violentsalvation: I hope that monster is put to death.


I'm ideologically opposed to the death penalty, but if ever there was a guy who deserved it, he qualifies.

Look, like I've always said, just because the death penalty is wrong doesn't mean there are some people who need killin'.
 
2013-07-18 08:17:00 AM

doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.


I have no idea where they're getting their numbers from either, but this is such a case that there is NO punishment the justice system can give him that stacks up to his crimes.
 
2013-07-18 08:47:28 AM

doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.


Where exactly did they derive that number from? Did he just let them step out onto the porch and then re-kidnap them 512 times?
 
2013-07-18 08:50:03 AM

doglover: TuteTibiImperes: The goal isn't to take it all to trial. The goal is to force him to accept a deal

Like I said, a broken system.


Same here .I don't want to see this guy get anything less than the law allows, but 512 counts of kidnapping is idiotic.
The prosecution better not fark this up.
 
2013-07-18 08:59:11 AM
NutWrench:
Same here .I don't want to see this guy get anything less than the law allows, but 512 counts of kidnapping is idiotic.
The prosecution better not fark this up.


It's a slam dunk case, I don't think anyone could fark this one up.  Really the ONLY option the defense has is to try to cop a plea for life, or maybe an outside chance they'll try an insanity plea.  There's really nowhere else to go for them.  Personally, I'm happy with him being housed in a lonely cage for the rest of his miserable natural life.  He'll be begging for the needle.
 
2013-07-18 09:22:09 AM
That was the best the prosecutors could do. Every time they tried to add an additional rape charge he ended up with -511 of them.
 
2013-07-18 09:23:41 AM

nekom: NutWrench:
Same here .I don't want to see this guy get anything less than the law allows, but 512 counts of kidnapping is idiotic.
The prosecution better not fark this up.

It's a slam dunk case, I don't think anyone could fark this one up.  Really the ONLY option the defense has is to try to cop a plea for life, or maybe an outside chance they'll try an insanity plea.  There's really nowhere else to go for them.  Personally, I'm happy with him being housed in a lonely cage for the rest of his miserable natural life.  He'll be begging for the needle.


I have to admit to a certain ...morbid curiosity as to what possible defense strategy he coupld possibly try.
 
2013-07-18 09:23:48 AM
Would it be inhumane to cover him in honey and put fire ants in his cell?
 
2013-07-18 09:24:01 AM
He was framed. Let him walk. Just like OJ. He was just standing his ground.
 
2013-07-18 09:24:12 AM
I still don't see how abortion can be legal but killing a fetus is murder.

/pro-abortion, it just seems logically inconsistent
 
2013-07-18 09:24:16 AM
He really had the balls to ask the judge for visitation rights to the child he fostered with one of the victims.
 
2013-07-18 09:24:39 AM
RICO?
 
2013-07-18 09:25:04 AM
I'm surprised this guy hasn't done us all a favor and offed himself.  A "Collector" like him get's off on controlling and dominating others.  The thought of being controlled and dominated by the prison system for the rest of his life should be more then enough to push him into suicide.
 
2013-07-18 09:25:59 AM
It will take days for the jurors to just read whether he's guilty or not guilty on each count.  We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 1.  We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 2.  .... We the jury find the defendant guilty on count 484.  We the jury, find the defendant... ok fark this we're going home.
 
2013-07-18 09:26:21 AM

TommyJReed: I'm surprised this guy hasn't done us all a favor and offed himself.  A "Collector" like him get's gets off on controlling and dominating others.  The thought of being controlled and dominated by the prison system for the rest of his life should be more then enough to push him into suicide


FTFM
 
2013-07-18 09:27:00 AM

hiker9999:
I have to admit to a certain ...morbid curiosity as to what possible defense strategy he coupld possibly try.

As do I, and it's important that even the most DISGUSTING criminals get a fair trial and competent counsel, I hope he gets just that.  I also hope if it goes to trial, Charles Ramsey takes the stand.

Bro, check this out, why am I even here?  Dude's guilty as shiat man, just send that jury right back there right now, bro.

Flakeloaf: That was the best the prosecutors could do. Every time they tried to add an additional rape charge he ended up with -511 of them.


A+ would LOL again!
 
2013-07-18 09:28:26 AM
-Insert clip of Tuco about to be hanged from the good, the bad and the ugly-
 
2013-07-18 09:28:34 AM
You know, this guy sound like he was King Sh*t of Murder, Kidnap, Rape, Gross Sexual Imposition, Felonious Assault, Child Endangerment, Possessing Criminal Tools Island.
 
2013-07-18 09:28:58 AM

violentsalvation: I hope that monster is put to death.


Not a chance, he'll cop to a deal to avoid the needle and even when in prison he'll be housed in special detail which means he'll be confined to a 6 x 8 concrete room with a window in the ceiling so you can't even see the earth for 23 hours of the day and that final hour will be used for cage time where he gets to spend an hour in a 6 x 8 cage outside. He'll get a 15 minute shower every 2 or three days, and every meal will be eaten in solitary. He'll also have almost zero contact with any other prisoner and the guards will give him no feedback or interaction.

He'll be utterly alone and left to contemplate his choices and regret for the rest of his life, as stated earlier he will be begging for a needle eventually.

Which if you think about it, is sorta of an eye for an eye punishment given what he did.
 
2013-07-18 09:29:07 AM
I was once in a Georgia grand jury for two days a week for eight weeks.  In Georgia, rather than do preliminary hearings, indictments are handed down for everything by a grand jury.  Basically, the prosecution takes a bunch of laymen and chastises them into rubber stamping every charge they bring out (or at least it felt that way to me).  They would say hilarious things like "golly, you guys are the toughest jury we've ever seen" as a way of hinting that we need to soften it up.  They would say things like we are not to consider past charges and convictions when bringing new charges, but they would of course list all the old convictions and charges.  The whole thing felt like a waste of time and since I was consulting at the time, it basically stole 16 hours of paid time from me every week.   I was paid $190 for 128 hours of grand jury.  It would have been more, but they charged us for the Chick-Fil-A they bought us for lunch.

Anyway, I would estimate that 80% of cases involved criminal tools.  Get pulled over on suspicion of burglary and the cops find a tire iron in your trunk?  That's a criminal tools charge.  In this case, it shows you how far a prosecutor will go with padding the charges.  Who gives a shiat about the farking criminal tools?
 
2013-07-18 09:30:14 AM
you said rape 446 times
 
2013-07-18 09:31:28 AM
So, what I wanna know is what's with the whole eyes closed thing - the judge asked him to open his eyes to make sure that he was understanding the proceedings and he said "I'm trying"  really? wtf? is gravity a little much today?

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2013-07-18 09:32:12 AM
Have fun trying to prove 446 counts of rape.

"Now is it possible that he only raped you 79 times instead of 113?"
 
2013-07-18 09:32:30 AM
I am wondering about the details of possessing criminal tools charge.  I have a lot of tools and many would be useful in committing crimes.  The rope and shovels are the most useful in his line of work.  Sadly for him, he should've had the tools to fix his door.  It just sounds stupid if they are going to charge him with possessing tools that anyone else can legally possess, so is any of his tools actually illegal?


/you knew someone was going there
//sure he used some his tools illegally.
 
2013-07-18 09:32:40 AM

CruJones: I still don't see how abortion can be legal but killing a fetus is murder.

/pro-abortion, it just seems logically inconsistent


As quoted by prosecutors around the country, "Because fark you, that's why."
/makes them look good to have more murder conviction wins on their records.
 
2013-07-18 09:32:57 AM
Ariel Castro  is a criminal tool.
 
2013-07-18 09:34:20 AM

ReverendJasen: CruJones: I still don't see how abortion can be legal but killing a fetus is murder.

/pro-abortion, it just seems logically inconsistent

As quoted by prosecutors around the country, "Because fark you, that's why."
/makes them look good to have more murder conviction wins on their records.


Well, 1.  Abortion is a woman's choice, not a captor's choice, and 2.  They're probably fixing to offer a plea for life.  Nobody wants to see those poor girls have to go through the evidence all over again.  Just shove him in a box and be done with it.
 
2013-07-18 09:35:33 AM

jfivealive: It will take days for the jurors to just read whether he's guilty or not guilty on each count.  We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 1.  We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 2.  .... We the jury find the defendant guilty on count 484.  We the jury, find the defendant... ok fark this we're going home.


If they force the jury to do that, I am sure some of the counts would be not guilty just to see if the judge fell asleep.

We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 256.  We the jury, find the defendant not guilty on count 257.  We the jury, find the defendant guilty on count 258.
 
2013-07-18 09:36:25 AM

ThreeEdgedSword: RICO?


Suave.
 
2013-07-18 09:37:34 AM
When will he be on the cover of Rolling Stone?
 
2013-07-18 09:38:20 AM

geocacherphil: you said rape 446 times


He likes rape.
 
2013-07-18 09:38:31 AM
BS, dont you know the system is racist? He is innocent.
 
2013-07-18 09:38:43 AM

lack of warmth: It just sounds stupid if they are going to charge him with possessing tools that anyone else can legally possess, so is any of his tools actually illegal?


That law also covers instruments who are converted from their natural use towards criminal behavior and activity. For instance, modified dog cages with hand cuffs both simple items but when combined and used in conjunction with confining a teenager constitute a criminal act.

The law mostly exists as a way to charge people accessory to criminal acts.
 
2013-07-18 09:38:44 AM

Thingster: -Insert clip of Tuco about to be hanged from the good, the bad and the ugly-


I see my job here is done.

/now I have Big Audio Dynamite's "Medicine Show" stuck in my head
 
2013-07-18 09:39:08 AM

CruJones: I still don't see how abortion can be legal but killing a fetus is murder.

/pro-abortion, it just seems logically inconsistent


It depends on who's making the choice. If the woman makes the choice herself, it's not murder, if someone makes the choice for her... it's murder.

/the best I can come up with
 
2013-07-18 09:39:36 AM

lack of warmth: I am wondering about the details of possessing criminal tools charge.  I have a lot of tools and many would be useful in committing crimes.  The rope and shovels are the most useful in his line of work.  Sadly for him, he should've had the tools to fix his door.  It just sounds stupid if they are going to charge him with possessing tools that anyone else can legally possess, so is any of his tools actually illegal?


/you knew someone was going there
//sure he used some his tools illegally.



That's why I hope he gets off on that charge.  What a BS charge.

/But just that one.
 
2013-07-18 09:40:14 AM

miss diminutive: doglover: 512 counts of kidnapping

That right there is an error in the legal system. 512 counts of kidnapping? More like 3-5 counts of capital kidnap. We don't have capital kidnap? Well that's the problem.

Where exactly did they derive that number from? Did he just let them step out onto the porch and then re-kidnap them 512 times?


Yeah, that's just weird. It seems to me that three kidnap victims would imply three counts of kidnapping. I even went and looked up the Ohio laws on kidnapping, and (to my non-lawyer brain) it reads like he should have been charged with three counts of kidnapping.

Which is probably why I'm not a lawyer. My brain just doesn't work that way.
 
2013-07-18 09:40:21 AM

Thingster: -Insert clip of Tuco about to be hanged from the good, the bad and the ugly-


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