I like myself better when I am sober.

Sometimes, though, I wallow in self deprivation.

Hello_Kthullu You know what I like best about dopers?... getting their asses canned at work.

You know what I like best about owning my own business?... firing asshat snitches. It's none of my business what my employees do on their own time. Nothing screws up an organization like a snake-in-the-grass asshat snitch, I won't tolerate them.

By all means lets continue to lie to people about one
of the most innocuous substances on the planet. Then
when the young people realize they have been lied to
they are sure to believe you when you warn them about
the hard drugs.

/fed up with people

Dear ONDCP,

Please use our federal tax dollars on something that people give a fark about.

Gump

I, for one, don't want anybody to protect me from the things i might do to myself. Thank you.

Ah good to see the old 1 joint = 4 cigarette myth is still around.

I would just like to point out that the US Federal Government has no constitutional authority to outlaw personal, private behaviour. All drug laws are predicated on the part of the constitution that covers interstate commerce. I'm pretty sure growing your own weed in the backyard doesn't fall under that part of the constitution.

Please send Marijuwanna donations to me,mmkay? I want to see if I get all retarded and crap from smoking too much. Also, send me some munchies too. Thanks!!

Since everyone smokes 12 joints a day.



Also, if you put LSD on the joint, the heat would kill it so it would just suck for whoever wasted that acid (correct me if I'm wrong...).

"The Underground Empire" by James Mills

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385175353/qid=1073652372/sr=1-1 /ref=sr_1_1/104-6978001-0353543?v=glance&s=books

"This book documents the second kind of crime: where government agencies charged with protecting the taxpayer from drugs or crime or terrorists or other threats, themselves become allies with criminals, and seek to profit from crime while permitting field officers to go bad, steal money, and become nothing more than officially sanctioned criminals."

On a similar note, studies have shown the least effective anti-drug program is D.A.R.E. (Drugs are Really Excellent).
Which one gets the most funding ?

Follow the money and see where it leads.

I was just about to take the quiz...but then I got high.

2004-01-09 05:49:57 AM m00
It's obvious why marijuana isn't legal. Big Tabacco and Alchohol companies ... [snip]

for a second there it looked like Big Tabasco companies.

Hmmm. I bet Texas Pete is a doper.

chimpdiaper wins

I got a 100...I wish that was my average in 12th grade..but I was too busy tokin' refer and watching cheech and chong re-runs.

I see the number of people who posted their reaction in this thread about the question re: marijuana addiction.

Leads me to believe:
1) they're not reading the other posts
2) We're witnessing THC-related short term memory loss in action :)

After working with NORML in NY for a while, I dug ups an old study from the 70's, the title or location of which has obviously slipped my mind, which stated the toxicity level of marijuana. The actual figure that they gave was that a person would have to smoke 44 lbs. in 25 minutes...and yes we did this math...that equals approx. 16,000 bonghits per second for 25 minutes straight...still no cure for cancer, right?

Join NORML, do it NOW.

This is what I hate about the war on drugs,
Ill be honest with you, its what I cant stand.
All day long, we see those commercials
- heres your brain, heres your brain on drugs,
just say no, whyd you think they call it dope -
and then the next commercial is *singing*
This Buds for you! Cmon everybody, lets be
hypocritical bastards! Its OK to drink your drug!
We meant those other drugs! Those untaxed
drugs! Those are the ones that are bad for you.
Nicotine, alcohol...good drugs! Coincidently, taxed
drugs. Oooh, how does this farkin work? Thank
God theyre taxing alcohol man, it means we got
those good roads we can get farked up and drive
on!
/Bill Hicks

I've been smoking weed for 20 years. I have a nice job, a wife, three kids, and like to read "The Economist".

Gateway drug my butt crack.

And before you get all excited: no, I don't smoke when the kids are around, only at friend's houses and so forth. And no, I'm not a mooch.

War on Drugs = old. War on Terrorism = new hotness. Get with the times, ONDCP. Here's hoping somebody (Republican ahahahahahah) slashes your budget to a negative amount.

Hey, if you smoke Winstons, weed is much worse for you. Winstons have zero chemicals added.

Oh yeah, and weed totally is a gateway drug. I wouldn't be calling my coke dealer later if I had never smoked weed.

I tried marijuana once and it ate my baby!

TheOmni: "There is more than one type of something being addictive. What is most commonly thought of is chemical addiction. Your body craves the chemical to such an extant that it has troubles functioning without it. Alcohol is so chemically addictive that going cold turkey can kill some alcoholics. Studies have shown that marijuana is not at all addictive in this manner. Then there is psychologically addictive. This can be anything regardless (or irregardless 'cause I bet that'll annoy RobW) of it's chemical properties. You have any fat friends that tried to stop eating fats and sweets or just cut down? I bet it didn't work too well. They are addicted to those things, but psychologically, not chemically. The only reason that people can't stop smoking pot is because they don't want to on some level."

Yawn I hate this crap that is repeated over and over. There's absolutely no rigid line between "physical" and "psychological" addiction. Any drug cessation is very unlikely to kill an otherwise healthy person. It's often cited that stopping heroin cold turkey causes death, but that's happened maybe three times that are known. It's unpleasant, just like stopping marijuana is unpleasant, stopping cocaine is unpleasant, and stopping Everquest or gambling or shopping in an addict is unpleasant.

It might sound stupid to compare Everquest or gambling addiction to heroin addiction but MRI scans have shown that "physical" and "behavioral" addictions act in much the same way. Since drug intake is behavioral, it should not be a huge surprise. Wanna know the easiest way to stop addiction to alcohol or a certain drug? Give the person a different drug to be addicted to. Addictions can be swapped back and forth, showing that it's not an addiction to a certain substance or behavior (although one might be preferred for a variety of reasons), it's the addiction itself. (Except nicotine, which is a special case.)

The majority of people simply will never be addicted to anything. I've had plenty of alcohol and marijuana in my life and I've never felt addicted. Most people will not become addicted to heroin if they try it. It's just people that shoot up heroin are usually addicts to begin with and find that it fills their addiction very well and very pleasurably. Addiction is a biological condition that's more hereditary than many "purely physical" conditions like schizophrenia, alzheimer's, most cancers, etc. Nobody (except the most ignorant) would say that someone chooses to have alzheimer's or that they just have problems they need to work out, but people say that all the time about addiction. Probably because it's a condition that deals with the outside world. Well, everything we do deals with the outside world. You can breed a dog to chase coyotes but not sheep. It's not "just psychological," except that everything psychological is based in biology, often unchangable, hereditary biology.

So anyway, yes marijuana is definitely addictive, and yes it's probably one of the most harmless things to be addicted to (except in the realms of law and economics).

I think the most dangerous effect of pot is that it makes you feel ok to be bored. Instead of learning something new and go to school you think staring at a wall laughing is a real fulfilling hobby. Then again, as Timothy Leary would have said, its all in the expectations of the user. If you are using pot (or acid, in Learys case) and you think it is going to have a certain effect, it usually does. Someone who is really depressed and bored will usually get a rather dull high from pot. The times i am using pot, its with my friends, outside, in nature, with music and a friendly atmosphere.

The danger in using drugs lies in becoming a consumer instead of an explorer. But i hardly think they are going to come up with an advertising campaign on that.

5 out of 5....

Smoked it a couple of times back in college.

Truth is that you don't know *what* you are smoking unless you grew it yourself or a friend did. And some sellers do put in extra "stuff" to give their product more "zip" so that they get more repeat customers.

As for the carcinogenic properties of marijuana, it's not a myth, sorry. Indeed, if marijuana were a new "herbal remedy" just being released, governments would quickly ban it for this reason alone.

Addictive? Of course...and whether it is merely psychologically addicitive as opposed to physically addicitive is irrelevant if your life is adversely affected by it.

The biggest problem I see with it is that it robs you of ambition. Ambition to be something in life, ambition to merely do your job well, eventually the ambition to do more than survive. People I've known who are regular, hard core consumers just seem a bit numb, like they are rattling around inside their own head trying to wake up. For those of you thinking "I smoke the stuff like a mother and I have plenty of drive to do shiat", I say yeah, and the guy who wrote Clockwork Orange stayed drunk the entire time he wrote it, but I don't see many authors accomplishing much that condition. If you can get high regularly and function, fine--but what else could you be doing instead?

--h

How the hell are we supposed to know the answers to these???

and the guy who wrote Clockwork Orange stayed drunk the entire time he wrote it, but I don't see many authors accomplishing much that condition.

You really don't know many writers, do you? :)

/disclaimer: I'm a writer. "Write drunk, edit sober" is more than a motto.

Sorry, but this quiz is a load of shiat. Anyone who's taken a half-decent survey research course would cheerfully tell you that only question #5 has any validity.

If alcohol is legal, hippie lettuce should be, too. It's no more dangerous. And for the folks who whinge and whine about driving under the influence, robbery, etc., I have a news flash for you: Those things are already illegal. If half of the laws that are already on the books were properly and evenly enforced, there wouldn't be any need to criminalize specific substances.

Smoking pot makes you dumb!

Want proof?

In an essay (published under the pseudonym Mr X) Carl Sagan admitted smoking pot regularly and even attributed some of his theories to things he thought of while high in the shower.

Oh wait, he wasn't dumb. He was smart. Nevermind.

Maybe if more people smoked pot more people would be as creative as Carl Sagan.

IrishSignora..

Hippie Lettuce!!!!! ROFLMAO... You sir owe me for a new keyboard, as my current one is now drowning in coffee..

Addictions can be swapped back and forth, showing that it's not an addiction to a certain substance or behavior (although one might be preferred for a variety of reasons), it's the addiction itself. (Except nicotine, which is a special case.)

So what you are saying basically there is that there are no physically addictive substances other than, for some reason, nicotine. Why is it a special case?

Most people will not become addicted to heroin if they try it

Please tell me you are not saying that heroin is no more physically addictive than your other examples.

Of course the lines between psychological and physical addiction are blurred. However to say that all addiction is dependent on the mind of the addict is to deny the very obvious evidence that some things, for example heroin, are very much more addictive than others.

Well, it's not really stupid...since everything on the quiz was accurate. You can't really bust a guys balls for being right, no matter what you think about pot.

One thing I hate though? when people refer to it as 420. God that bugs me.

Darn, only a 2. Maybe if I smoked pot more I'd know more answers. I guess I was one of those 22% of 12th graders who never thought marijuana was that easy to come by.

Great comments. I must leave now, as it is 420 time!

Got em all except the Moo, Mud, Milk one .....

We are so winning the war on drugs...just like we won the war on poverty.

jeremyf

It's often cited that stopping heroin cold turkey causes death, but that's happened maybe three times that are known. It's unpleasant, just like stopping marijuana is unpleasant,

How many ex-heroin addicts do you know? I know 2, and find your mini essay dosen't tie in with their experiences.

I bet Stephen Hawking gets totally high. And writes rap songs under some cool pseudonym.

http://www.mchawking.com

Truth is that you don't know *what* you are smoking unless you grew it yourself or a friend did. And some sellers do put in extra "stuff" to give their product more "zip" so that they get more repeat customers.

True to a point but a good % of the "quality" goodies are untouched. People and the media exaggerate the "you don't know what your getting" idea. Look at it from a business point of view, adulterating it is too expensive and if it's quality, a grower should have no need to put more money into his/her investment.

I don't get the hippie reference, have any of you realized citizens of all class and walks use herb? Let's get back to the war on terra and our permanent space station on the moon shall we?

IT's THE NORML thing to do

3 right, I probably could have gotten more since it was pretty easy to tell what the answers will be from the website the quiz is on.

Oh man, I just noticed the link at the end of the quiz is for www.freevibe.com

"Kids, don't smoke pot or have sex...here's a free dildo instead."

binnster

You know two ex-heroin addicts? What do you do for work dude?

"Very good. You know a lot about marijuana"

I should know a lot about it... What? Why are you looking at me? Stop looking at me! *shifty eyes*

schmawy said
My prob with the anti-pot mania is that it elevates it's evils to the point of other, more dangerous drugs like heroin. So a kid takes a hit and sees that it didn't make him or her into an insane monster, the ussumption is that "they lied to me about pot, so crack is probably safe too".


This was my experience. I can remember my first experience being high like it was yesterday. I was petrified about trying pot because of what I had been told about it. After trying it (feels good, hey it's not scary like they said) I certainly was keyed up to see what "they" were lying about. Long story short, ended up with quite the meth addition for 7 years. Pot didn't make me a drug addict but it was a gateway in my case.

Now 38, married, clean 13 years, white collar professional.
Then 15 - eager to be cool.

Nelno: You got my vote. Thanks for enduring the questions; I got as far as reading the page with Question 1 and lots of white space below it (thinking That's it? One question? And a subjective one at that?) and just backed out.

someguy50

I work for an oil company, but it's where I live that brings me into contact with junkies. Aberdeen is probably the top spot in Scotland for heroin and crack addiction at the moment.

Marijuana doesn't addict, but you can build a psychological dependency on it like you can on anything else you find pleasing.
The only time I can recall killer weed (in the literal sense)is back in the 70's when the DEA sprayed Mexican pot fields and the pot was harvested and shipped to the U.S. Kids started getting really sick and some died. When various agencies investigated, it was learned that the pot was sprayed by our own gov't. It was never clear if the harvesters were aware it had been sprayed.
When I got married and decided to start raising kids, I made a personal choice to give up pot. I simply stopped using it. No withdrawals. The only "harmful"effect was when my lungs started to clear and I spent weeks coughing up, well, I'll spare you the details.
I started running and playing basketball again and my lungs cleared out nicely.
My sons both went through the DARE program at school. State sanctioned brain-washing is what it is. I kept my mouth shut except to warn my kids not to believe everything they are told by authorities, but to learn what they can and make their own decisions based on what makes the most sense to them.
Question authority. Even mine. I explain my decisions to my sons, especially now that they're teens, even if my reason is only "I have more life experience than you, so you're just going to have to trust me on this." They surprize me at how often they can logically and reasonably win me over to their point of view. I surprize them at how often they can't.
My younger son is an actor, a drummer and is fearless. He may experiment. If he does, I won't judge. I've been there and done that. My older son is a fireman and is considering being a cop. He is a straight arrow with a wise guy attitude. He has an uncanny sense about people, and is rarely wrong w/his first impressions. (Get's that from his Mom.) I'm not too worried about him, so I keep a closer watch on him. He is the one who will surprize me like I surprized my parents.
Sometimes I wish the whole world would go to pot. We'd all be happier. Hungrier, too, though.

Well, the commercials say that smoking pot supports terrorists that will later impregnate me. I'm a guy, so I don't want to get pregnant.