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(NBC News)   Liz Cheney swears she isn't a carpetbagger, despite moving to Wyoming with no job or any other real reason to be in the state but to run for office   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 109
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2013-07-17 10:13:59 PM

Notabunny: At least Wyoming is a US state, unlike Kenya


States are lame commonwealths are where the cool people hang out.
 
2013-07-17 10:14:21 PM

Emposter: cameroncrazy1984: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

Sounds perfect for Wyoming.

And the GOP/Tea Party.

"Anybody who thinks you come here for political reasons has never been here. And they don't understand what a special place this is,"

What could be more special than representing trees and grass?

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Lots of fossils to be found there.  (tee up joke about her dad and/or republican politics)
 
2013-07-17 10:31:29 PM

Abner Doon: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

LOL, no.  Where did you get this?


the-op.com
 
2013-07-17 10:34:12 PM

Fjornir: whidbey: Fjornir: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

...I'd bet a dollar her C.V. Reads better than yours.

And GW Bush's CV read better than Obama's.

You did have a point, right?

I had a point. If Obama was in this thread talking about Dubya being unqualified the cases might be parallel, even.

Are you off your meds again, or something, dude?


No, but I agree that I hate it when armchair pundits biatch about what "qualifies" someone for office.

There is only one qualification: age. Sorry if that makes you mad.
 
2013-07-17 10:45:23 PM

DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.


My issue is more of the "daughter of one of most damaging politicians in American history who thinks he was right" issue.
 
2013-07-17 10:46:47 PM

Click Click D'oh: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

Yes, but enough about Barack Obamas 2008 Presidential campaign.


You mean Senator Obama, or State Senator Obama?

Oh, that's right...you mean "community organizer" Obama.
 
2013-07-17 10:51:10 PM

Fjornir: ...I'd bet a dollar her C.V. Reads better than yours.


Patronage and Daddy paying for college and law school can do a lot for a CV. Not saying that she didn't earn her degrees, just that her running for office has more to do with who Daddy is and less to do with who she is.
 
2013-07-17 10:53:12 PM

The Lone Gunman: Click Click D'oh: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

Yes, but enough about Barack Obamas 2008 Presidential campaign.

You mean Senator Obama, or State Senator Obama?

Oh, that's right...you mean "community organizer" Obama.


I thought he meant "blah" Obama.
 
2013-07-17 10:53:31 PM

The Lone Gunman: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

My issue is more of the "daughter of one of most damaging politicians in American history who thinks he was right" issue.


Somehow, I don't think Wyoming at large would have a problem with that. The first thing I saw when I drove over the border there was a billboard telling us to "STOP OBAMA SOCIALISM!."
 
2013-07-17 10:58:53 PM

whidbey: The Lone Gunman: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

My issue is more of the "daughter of one of most damaging politicians in American history who thinks he was right" issue.

Somehow, I don't think Wyoming at large would have a problem with that. The first thing I saw when I drove over the border there was a billboard telling us to "STOP OBAMA SOCIALISM!."


Yeah, I'm not saying that she wouldn't win.  I'm saying that Wyomans would be stupid for doing so.  Although you have to assume that about the state that get more in federal aid that pay into the system via taxes...and then biatch about paying taxes.
 
2013-07-17 11:15:31 PM
The Lone Gunman:
Although you have to assume that about the state that get more in federal aid that pay into the system via taxes...and then biatch about paying taxes.

images.sodahead.com
   Future Liz Cheney supporter
 
2013-07-17 11:20:56 PM

IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.


Her father is Wyoming all the way. Used to be the congressperson from Wyoming.
 
2013-07-17 11:25:00 PM

Kevin72: IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.

Her father is Wyoming all the way. Used to be the congressperson from Wyoming.


Poor farking Wyoming.
 
2013-07-17 11:26:56 PM

Abner Doon: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

LOL, no.  Where did you get this?


Abner Doon: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

LOL, no.  Where did you get this?


THE CONSTITUTION YOU DOLTS!

No he did not make that up. Cheney changed his voter registration from Texas back to Wyoming.
 
2013-07-17 11:29:38 PM

kidgenius: Satanic_Hamster: WickerNipple: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

How Cheney ran Halliburton, in 2000 a Houston corp., from Wyoming, we can only imagine.  Halliburton didn't even have a regional office in that state.

Where the heck did you make that up from?

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vicepresident.asp

Now that I looked into it though, it does present an interesting issue, especially in close races.

Take 2000....

So Bush got 271 electoral votes. But Cheney would have only been able to receive 239 electoral votes for vice pres. The dems would've had 266 votes for their vp. So, you could've had a Bush/Lieberman presidency.


But wouldn't the House of Representatives have chosen the vice president, as no VP candidate would have received a majority?  The House was controlled by republicans at the time.
 
2013-07-17 11:31:02 PM
Monkeyhouse Zendo:Patronage and Daddy paying for college and law school can do a lot for a CV. Not saying that she didn't earn her degrees, just that her running for office has more to do with who Daddy is and less to do with who she is.

I'm not going to argue that point. But the claim that, she "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all" is bogus.
 
2013-07-17 11:32:03 PM
What does it matter? The Cheneys are an evil bunch of farks. Anyone who votes for a farking Cheney deserves whatever painful death they're eventually going to get.
 
2013-07-17 11:34:32 PM
Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.
 
2013-07-17 11:36:12 PM

Kevin72: Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.


AKA Dick Cheney lite™
 
2013-07-17 11:42:32 PM

Kevin72: Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.


Somehow, that scenario doesn't reassure me.
 
2013-07-17 11:44:26 PM

whidbey: Kevin72: Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.

AKA Dick Cheney lite™


What a different world we'd live in today had we fabricated evidence against Iran instead of Iraq...

/we'd have changed one letter on a lot of old news reports, probably
 
2013-07-17 11:50:34 PM

Satanic_Hamster: WickerNipple: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

How Cheney ran Halliburton, in 2000 a Houston corp., from Wyoming, we can only imagine.  Halliburton didn't even have a regional office in that state.

Where the heck did you make that up from?

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vicepresident.asp


The Snopes article shows I was correct.  Cheney claimed to be a Wyoming resident despite livinng in Texas.  I could've phrased it better though.
 
2013-07-17 11:53:03 PM
mcnguyen: But wouldn't the House of Representatives have chosen the vice president, as no VP candidate would have received a majority?  The House was controlled by republicans at the time.

I was wrong.  The Senate chooses the VP if none receive a majority.  The Senate was 50-50, so I guess Gore would have cast the tie-breaking vote for Lieberman.
 
2013-07-17 11:54:39 PM
Worked for Al Franken.

/We Minnesotans love the loons.
 
2013-07-17 11:54:55 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: whidbey: Kevin72: Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.

AKA Dick Cheney lite™

What a different world we'd live in today had we fabricated evidence against Iran instead of Iraq...

/we'd have changed one letter on a lot of old news reports, probably


Well we sure wouldn't have had MLK on the 20 dollar bill.....
 
2013-07-18 12:05:39 AM
And this is important.

Because she's a Republican.

As opposed to Hillary running in NY.
 
2013-07-18 12:09:20 AM
FUN FACT:  If every single resident of the state of Wyoming dropped dead tomorrow, it would still be entitled to one Representative in the House and two Senators.

/that's a f*cked up system
 
2013-07-18 12:12:58 AM

El Pachuco: Satanic_Hamster: WickerNipple: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

How Cheney ran Halliburton, in 2000 a Houston corp., from Wyoming, we can only imagine.  Halliburton didn't even have a regional office in that state.

Where the heck did you make that up from?

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vicepresident.asp

The Snopes article shows I was correct.  Cheney claimed to be a Wyoming resident despite livinng in Texas.  I could've phrased it better though.


No it doesn't.
 
2013-07-18 12:27:22 AM
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: FUN FACT:  If every single resident of the state of Wyoming dropped dead tomorrow, it would still be entitled to one Representative in the House and two Senators.

/that's a f*cked up system


Well in every single resident of Kalifornia dropped dead tomorrow it would still be entitled to its 50something reps till the reapportionment after the 2020 census, whats your point?
 
2013-07-18 12:28:26 AM

randomjsa: And this is important.

Because she's a Republican.

As opposed to Hillary running in NY.


Well, for one thing, Hogface,  Hillary's father wasn't Darth Rodham.
And for another: Cry, little baby, cry.
 
2013-07-18 12:45:33 AM
fark all cheneys for all farking time.
 
2013-07-18 12:47:19 AM

whidbey: Kevin72: Actually checking the Snopes article, The pres and vp can be from the same state, but the electoral college electors from that state can not vote twice. In 2000, if Darth Cheney kept his Texas residency, he would not have gotten the Texas electoral votes that Bush did, and Joe Lieberman would have been elected Bush's vice-president.

AKA Dick Cheney lite™


lol...you actually believe it was a fair election?
lol
lol
lol
 
2013-07-18 12:48:44 AM
you probably do not.

but it is still funny.

-after all of the bullshiat...americans still stay in their easy chairs.

i am not entertained.
 
2013-07-18 12:49:01 AM

12349876: IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.

Wikipedia says she was born in Madison Wisconsin and graduated high school in NOVA and did her higher education in the Colorado and Illinois.

And here's what Rand Paul.

Surely a person like you wouldn't disagree with the almighty RAND PAUL, would you?

"When I heard Liz Cheney was running for Senate I wondered if she was running in her home state of Virginia," Paul said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/rand-paul-liz-cheney-senate-bi d- 94308.html


I'm just saying that it would be like Chelsea being called a CB'er for running for office in Arkansas.  Now I see I was wrong.

Also...have you ever seen me post here?
 
2013-07-18 01:04:56 AM

Satanic_Hamster: El Pachuco: Satanic_Hamster: WickerNipple: El Pachuco: When her father ran for VP in 2000, he claimed Wyoming residency because it's illegal for the President and VP to be residents of the same state and Bush was Gov. of Texas.

How Cheney ran Halliburton, in 2000 a Houston corp., from Wyoming, we can only imagine.  Halliburton didn't even have a regional office in that state.

Where the heck did you make that up from?

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/vicepresident.asp

The Snopes article shows I was correct.  Cheney claimed to be a Wyoming resident despite livinng in Texas.  I could've phrased it better though.

No it doesn't.


From wiki:

A few months before the election Cheney put his home in Dallas up for sale and changed his drivers' license and voter registration back to Wyoming. This change was necessary to allow Texas' presidential electors to vote for both Bush and Cheney without contravening the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbids electors from voting for someone from their own state for both President and Vice President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney


The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_ Co nstitution
 
2013-07-18 01:55:32 AM

DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.


Has no experience? But I thought we all hate career politicians. Plus isn't it the duty of the citizenry to engage in civic affairs like governance?
 
2013-07-18 01:57:22 AM
milsorgen:
Has no experience? But I thought we all hate career politicians. Plus isn't it the duty of the citizenry to engage in civic affairs like governance?

Probably not when their very own father is a war criminal, no.
 
2013-07-18 01:57:26 AM

Bauer: I am not entertained.

lol
lol
lol
lol


o rly?
 
2013-07-18 02:36:25 AM
Does it matter who the senators from Wyoming are?
 
2013-07-18 02:41:41 AM

IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.


Speaking of Clintons, and we were, didn't Hillary run for Senate from a state to which her strongest connection was being a Mets fan?
 
2013-07-18 02:45:47 AM
jjorsett: IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.

Speaking of Clintons, and we were, didn't Hillary run for Senate from a state to which her strongest connection was being a Mets fan?


Well at least she wasn't a Yankees fan.
 
2013-07-18 02:54:43 AM

Click Click D'oh: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

Yes, but enough about Barack Obamas 2008 Presidential campaign.


0/10
 
2013-07-18 03:02:02 AM
New York has a long history of senators from other places. RFK was a New York Senator. We don't have a particular problem. Senator Clinton also was very good at the job - she fought for a lot of important things, especially first responders after 9/11.

But then again, NY has always been a place for immigrants. Wyoming meanwhile is part of that republican base who mocked Hillary and were the ones more so than most New Yorkers calling her a carpetbagger.
 
2013-07-18 03:43:58 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: IlGreven: ...wait, isn't Wyoming where her parents gained prominence?  Then saying she's a carpetbagger would be like saying Chelsea Clinton is a carpetbagger if she ran for office in Arkansas. No, she's not.

That is for the people of Wyoming to decide. Outside Wyoming, it's not really up to us, like when Hilary ran in NY.

However, it's a perfectly legitimate question for the people of Wyoming to ask when deciding who to vote for.


Yea, Yea, Yea... When was Wyoming's decision making ability stripped away, Nannygoat? No one said Wyoming wasn't going to make this decision, we're just discussing Liz "the destroyer" Cheney classy action. What does she know about Wyoming, if she doesn't know Czechoslovakia has not existed since 1992?
 
2013-07-18 05:39:35 AM

Click Click D'oh: DamnYankees: I don't have a problem with the carpet-bagging issue as much as I do with the whole "has no experience or professional or intellectual qualifications at all for this job" issue.

Yes, but enough about Barack Obamas 2008 Presidential campaign.


thefinereport.com
 
2013-07-18 07:44:15 AM
She may not be a carpetbagger, but I've heard she is a rug muncher.
 
2013-07-18 07:47:09 AM

HighOnCraic: The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_ Co nstitution


Yes, and....?

Again, it's not illegal for the President and Vice President to be from the same state.
 
2013-07-18 07:54:23 AM
Oh ok, it's only deserving of mockery when a Republican does it.
 
2013-07-18 08:09:09 AM

RevRaven: Oh ok, it's only deserving of mockery when a Republican does it.


I thought it was a shady move when Clinton did it too. But please, tell me more about what I think.
 
2013-07-18 08:14:22 AM

Oldiron_79: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: FUN FACT:  If every single resident of the state of Wyoming dropped dead tomorrow, it would still be entitled to one Representative in the House and two Senators.

/that's a f*cked up system

Well in every single resident of Kalifornia dropped dead tomorrow it would still be entitled to its 50something reps till the reapportionment after the 2020 census, whats your point?


Representation by geography rather than population farktard-level stupid.  Unlike California, Wyoming is over-represented even if ever single resident lives.
 
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