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(Entertainment Weekly)   A long shuddering toe-curling nerdgasm: 'Game of Thrones' casts 'Sherlock' actor / 'Doctor Who' writer for season 4   (insidetv.ew.com) divider line 81
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2013-07-17 04:42:40 PM

Soulcatcher: R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: Euron would be my guess, or maybe the kindly man.  He doesn't seem to be a big enough guy to be Victorian.  I really hope to don't combine uncles.

He must be tall. Cumberbatch is 6' and Gatiss looks to have a good 4" on him.


I'm wrong, he's only 6'1". He seems a lot taller though.
 
2013-07-17 04:50:54 PM

flaggboy42: Too soon to be one of the Faceless Men? That was the first thing that popped in to my head.


The Kindly Man?

My (wild-ass) guess... Jon Connington
 
2013-07-17 05:14:07 PM

tlchwi02: Gaambit: js34603: God Is My Co-Pirate: js34603: God Is My Co-Pirate: Euron Greyjoy?

I was thinking the Greyjoy who was the priest. Euron is a possibility, he kinda looks demented.

I heard they're going to combine the uncles into one, because otherwise too many characters. Dunno.  Of course they thought audiences would get confused by Osha/Asha, so who knows.

Ah I has not heard that. Yes he makes sense as a composite of those two I think.

Wait, they want to combine Euron and Victarion? They...they couldn't be more different! Victarion is such a badass, especially with what his current plan is.

eh, it really wouldn't be that bad... you can keep the euron returns thing but with only asha as his foil. or you can skip that entire section (because honestly, who gives a crap about the politics of the iron islands?) since they set her up to be off saving theon at the end of this last season. euron could just show up, declare he's going off on his quest and since he's the rightful king, the ironborn agree and away they go.


My first thought was that Euron couldn't be combined with any of the uncles cause their characters are just way too different, but this actually makes a lot of sense.  Not sure who else he could be except for maybe Doran Martell, since Oberyn has already been cast and there's not too many main players left to be introduced in season 4 that I can think of.
 
2013-07-17 05:39:11 PM
Though Gatiss doesn't look like how I picture the character, Mace Tyrell is my guess.
 
2013-07-17 05:39:36 PM
Strange they're not saying who he's playing, which leads one to believe the existence of his character means something.
 
2013-07-17 06:49:20 PM

impaler: Strange they're not saying who he's playing, which leads one to believe the existence of his character means something.


Bloodraven?
 
2013-07-17 07:04:23 PM

tlchwi02: Gaambit: js34603: God Is My Co-Pirate: js34603: God Is My Co-Pirate: Euron Greyjoy?

I was thinking the Greyjoy who was the priest. Euron is a possibility, he kinda looks demented.

I heard they're going to combine the uncles into one, because otherwise too many characters. Dunno.  Of course they thought audiences would get confused by Osha/Asha, so who knows.

Ah I has not heard that. Yes he makes sense as a composite of those two I think.

Wait, they want to combine Euron and Victarion? They...they couldn't be more different! Victarion is such a badass, especially with what his current plan is.

eh, it really wouldn't be that bad... you can keep the euron returns thing but with only asha as his foil. or you can skip that entire section (because honestly, who gives a crap about the politics of the iron islands?) since they set her up to be off saving theon at the end of this last season. euron could just show up, declare he's going off on his quest and since he's the rightful king, the ironborn agree and away they go.


I don't think they can combine Euron and Victarion, too much story left between them. I could see how they'd combine Damphair and Euron though.
 
2013-07-17 07:10:09 PM

Richard Roma: Though Gatiss doesn't look like how I picture the character, Mace Tyrell is my guess.


I wonder if they'd even bother casting him with a 'name' actor. The Queen Mum is doing a fine job portraying their house, and I'm not sure D&D want to introduce a basically useless character.*  What does he even do in ASoS besides attend the Purple Wedding and ineffectually try to exert influence**?


/*Not that having him as a character was stupid, just that Mace Tyrell is a useless person.
//**More of a general question than a critique of your guess.
 
2013-07-17 07:22:53 PM
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judyg8or: impaler: Strange they're not saying who he's playing, which leads one to believe the existence of his character means something.

Bloodraven?


He's not till Book 4. Assuming that's even who that character is, the chances of it not being him are laughably remote though.

Gaambit: thornhill: Given how jumbled the timeline has become, it could be coldhands.

Shouldn't that have already been cast, from back in season one?

/I want that actor to come back. Best portrayal of a seldom seen character so far.
/who the hell else could Coldhands be?


Who else? Certainly not either of the rangers killed in the opening sequence, if that's what you're implying? Or are you saying Coldhands is Benjen Stark? Either case is pretty thoroughly debunked, Coldhands is way too old to be any of the above. Or at least he's implied to be, maybe book 6 will have more to say on who he is.
 
2013-07-17 07:25:18 PM

Loomy: Richard Roma: Though Gatiss doesn't look like how I picture the character, Mace Tyrell is my guess.

I wonder if they'd even bother casting him with a 'name' actor. The Queen Mum is doing a fine job portraying their house, and I'm not sure D&D want to introduce a basically useless character.*  What does he even do in ASoS besides attend the Purple Wedding and ineffectually try to exert influence**?


/*Not that having him as a character was stupid, just that Mace Tyrell is a useless person.
//**More of a general question than a critique of your guess.


More spoilers:

He might not be important in terms of doing much yet, but he is named Hand of the King near the end of Dance, so he's set up to have a more important roll later.
 
2013-07-17 08:46:23 PM

sloughtown4ever: caddisfly: Can someone please explain why Sherlock only produces three episodes per year?  I'm guessing it's Cumberbatch's filming schedule, but I find it amazing that such a highly rated show isn't being produced full throttle.

it's made by the BBC, who are funded by the British people. Want to watch TV? You need a TV Licence. Where does the money for the licence go? The BBC. Also, we don't feel the need to produce sprawling 22 episode series. Most sitcoms get 6 episode runs, Dr Who goes to maybe 8-10 a year and the specials.


Actually, Sherlock was originally shot as a one-hour weekly drama (the pilot is out there if you know where to look); it was decided by powers that be that it was terrible (it was).  Moffatt was given a much bigger budget and the project turned into three 90 minute movies a series rather than ten or twelve mediocre weekly episodes.
 
2013-07-17 09:18:59 PM

js34603: I don't think they can combine Euron and Victarion, too much story left between them. I could see how they'd combine Damphair and Euron though.


You can combine Euron and Victarion and drop Damphair right out of the whole damn thing.  All any of them do is waste pages.
 
2013-07-17 09:35:52 PM
You TEASE!
 
2013-07-17 09:45:30 PM
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2013-07-17 09:52:24 PM

Badgers: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x290]


They should get Shearsmith in the show.
media.screened.com
/hot
 
2013-07-17 10:02:38 PM

js34603: I don't think they can combine Euron and Victarion, too much story left between them


yeah but all the stuff between them was the stuff about the iron islands... yeah, it was interesting and the characters were cool but it does nothing to advance the overall story. the tv show is looking for space to cut, that's the first thing from book 4 I think of.
 
2013-07-17 10:09:04 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Badgers: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x290]

They should get Shearsmith in the show.

/hot


League of Gentlemen was very good.
 
2013-07-17 10:31:25 PM
My money's on the Kindly Man, possibly in an expanded role.
 
2013-07-17 11:08:38 PM
He'll be Howland Reed.   The show is going to start spoiling the books.
 
2013-07-17 11:32:46 PM
Bowen Marsh or Donal Noyal. Maybe the Magnar of Thenn
 
F42
2013-07-17 11:49:08 PM

Confabulat: New High Septon?


A winner is you
 
2013-07-18 12:29:41 AM
Definitely the new High Septon. None of you morans even think it's possible.
 
2013-07-18 12:30:47 AM

F42: Confabulat: New High Septon?

A winner is you


Oh wait except for you, hey I haven't refreshed in awhile. Anyway to expound, he's got to be a King's Landing sort, he's not Dornish or anything. And he's prissy and kind of a dick. Who else could he be?
 
2013-07-18 02:08:29 AM

RevMercutio: caddisfly: Can someone please explain why Sherlock only produces three episodes per year?  I'm guessing it's Cumberbatch's filming schedule, but I find it amazing that such a highly rated show isn't being produced full throttle.

Actually, I'd think Martin Freeman's schedule was more of a hassle. How long did The Hobbit film?


Peter Jackson wanted Martin Freeman so badly they delayed the filming of The Hobbit to work around his Series 2 Sherlock filming schedule.

Yeah that's right, they put a billion dollar movie franchise on hold for a BBC drama.  I wonder what the conversations with the studio were like.

/Lulz
 
2013-07-18 05:35:55 AM

if_i_really_have_to: Yeah that's right, they put a billion dollar movie franchise on hold for a BBC drama. I wonder what the conversations with the studio were like.


Peter Jackson: you made several billion dollars off of the LotR films.  Every decision I made on that project was correct, including firing a lead actor the week shooting started (Stuart Townsend, FTL).  I want to work with Martin Freeman, but he's busy filming something else.  We'll shoot around him, doing Second, Third and Fourth Unit filming until he's free, as we've done with other actors in the past. Our shooting schedule is six months long, so a few days or weeks won't make any difference; we'll come in on time and under budget.

Studio Exec: Um, okay.

Pretty much like that.

Tyrone Slothrop: Badgers: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x290]

They should get Shearsmith in the show.
[media.screened.com image 400x267]
/hot


Has League of Gentleman ever actuallly run here in the States? The last season was one of the single best sketch comedy shows ever constructed.
 
2013-07-18 07:20:16 AM

tlchwi02: js34603: I don't think they can combine Euron and Victarion, too much story left between them

yeah but all the stuff between them was the stuff about the iron islands... yeah, it was interesting and the characters were cool but it does nothing to advance the overall story. the tv show is looking for space to cut, that's the first thing from book 4 I think of.


Agreed.  There are already way too many characters on the show as it is.  The last thing we need is to be subjected to is the political intrigues of the Iron Islands.  Combine Euron and Victarion (skip Damphair), mention how Theon's absence makes Euron king and just and be done with it.
 
2013-07-18 11:26:02 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Spoiler alert: he'll die


Coffee... Nose... you douche...
+1
 
2013-07-18 11:51:44 AM

caddisfly: Can someone please explain why Sherlock only produces three episodes per year?  I'm guessing it's Cumberbatch's filming schedule, but I find it amazing that such a highly rated show isn't being produced full throttle.


This argument reminds me of the "one sausage versus a package of 12 wieners made from lips, anuses and Mexican lung butter" hypothesis.
 
2013-07-18 12:42:42 PM

Soulcatcher: The Voice of Doom: caddisfly
Can someone please explain why Sherlock only produces three episodes per year? I'm guessing it's Cumberbatch's filming schedule

It's not like Martin Freeman hasn't been busy as well.
IIRC, Big Finish even had scheduling issues with 7th Doctor stories because Sylvester McCoy has been in New Zealand for the Hobbit movie.
And it's not like Radagast has that much screen time compared to Bilbo.

They're all busy men. Gatiss and Moffat write Sherlock and run (and also write) for Doctor Who. Just the writing is time consuming. Cumberbatch is in just about every other movie coming out in the next six months, and Freeman is working a lot, too. It's a supremely talented bunch of people.

I know they want to do a series 4 of Sherlock, but FSM only knows when the stars will align perfectly enough to make that scheduling possible.


Since you were asking about this, the new season of Sherlock airs in the UK starting on November 24th.
 
2013-07-18 12:47:11 PM

tlchwi02: js34603: I don't think they can combine Euron and Victarion, too much story left between them

yeah but all the stuff between them was the stuff about the iron islands... yeah, it was interesting and the characters were cool but it does nothing to advance the overall story. the tv show is looking for space to cut, that's the first thing from book 4 I think of.


Yeah, Euron's horn from Valyria, Victarion sailing to try to claim Dany, and the Ironborn raiding towards Highgarden causing discord between the Lannisters and Tyrells, all of that does nothing to move various plots forward. Unless they're planning to drastically change where various plot elements are going you can't cut the Iron Islands(at least not entirely) any more than you can Dorne, which is the other thing people keep saying they'd like to see cut.

There are aspects of it you could cut(The entire chapter of Asha trying to rally her other uncle and his banners, and all the stuff with her entourage), but dropping it entirely or merging Euron and Victarion goes a bit far I think.

/Books 4 and 5 are a much better read when you combine them in chronological order
 
2013-07-18 02:53:03 PM

Elzar: devilEther: May there be many instances of this in his scripts:
[Daenerys disrobes]

Meh - her knees are way, way too sharp

breasts are way, way too perky

FTFY.
 
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