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(NBC 2 Fort Myers)   Forget the NSA. Your local law enforcement agencies are keeping track of where you drive, shop. No worries citizen, they promise they won't abuse it   (nbc-2.com) divider line 82
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2013-07-17 12:06:03 PM  
Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.
 
2013-07-17 01:17:51 PM  

JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.


I have never heard that was illegal.
 
2013-07-17 01:26:02 PM  

James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.


The pigs here love to give the tickets for that.  It's a no-risk big money ticket
 
GBB
2013-07-17 01:27:07 PM  
Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!
 
2013-07-17 01:27:10 PM  

James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.


Depends upon location, but most parking garages require you to park forward.
 
2013-07-17 01:27:12 PM  

James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.


I've heard that in places with rear-only plates. Virginia -- where I live now -- has both front and back, so it makes no difference. NY (where I used to live) also had f/b plates, so this may be an urban legend that I just haven't given a shiat to look in to since it doesn't affect me.
 
2013-07-17 01:27:16 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.

The pigs here love to give the tickets for that.  It's a no-risk big money ticket


You let farm animals be police?
 
2013-07-17 01:30:40 PM  

GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!


Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.
 
2013-07-17 01:30:51 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.

The pigs here love to give the tickets for that.  It's a no-risk big money ticket


Huh? Weird. Legal here in CA, but then again, we do have front license plates, too.
 
2013-07-17 01:31:05 PM  
Oh noes the tools of law enforcement have improved to the point that they are reduceing crime across the board, but scaring the pants on head libertarian retards who just want freedom, FARK YEAH!, but none of that scary anarchy, chaos, and death that might come with true freedom, FARK YEAH!
 
2013-07-17 01:31:39 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.


You'd rather allow a criminal to steal your entire identity than have a picture taken of your license plate?
 
2013-07-17 01:33:24 PM  
Unless you are hot, then you're fu*ked raped.
 
2013-07-17 01:34:15 PM  
You guys realize that the scary government has a database with your licence plate, address, SS# and everything just sitting there stealing your freedoms, right?
 
2013-07-17 01:35:01 PM  
In CT, if you saw a cop, your plate has been scanned and ran before you even finish driving by. Never mind traffic cameras (and "other" video resources). Been like this for years here which is why no one needs a registration or emissions sticker anymore. They know.
 
GBB
2013-07-17 01:36:26 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.


OK.  how about this: amber alerts, or silver alerts?
 
2013-07-17 01:37:47 PM  
It goes even farther.  The local municipal morons where I live were trolling eBay to find out who in town was selling stuff online.

Funny thing about tech, it cuts both ways.

Look up the salary of any NJ State, county or municipal employee.

http://php.app.com/NJpublicemployees13/search.php
 
2013-07-17 01:39:04 PM  

James!: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

You'd rather allow a criminal to steal your entire identity than have a picture taken of your license plate?


No, I'd rather run the RISK of having my identity stolen than let the police posess a database of everywhere my car has ever been.
 
2013-07-17 01:39:51 PM  
Near here, a plate reader on a Trooper car led to the perpetrators of a grisly multiple murder, (a family with kids).

/just sayin'
 
2013-07-17 01:39:52 PM  
What do you mean forget the NSA. Where do you think this data goes ?

LPR data is captured and shared across multiple jurisdictions and agencies. I know this for a FACT.

So the local LEO is feeding the same databases that the NSA uses to mine and they are sharing it with other depts across the country. Local, state and federal are all in on this.
 
2013-07-17 01:43:56 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Near here, a plate reader on a Trooper car led to the perpetrators of a grisly multiple murder, (a family with kids).

/just sayin'


So ?

Just because you can point to a handful of instances where the system did good does not justify wholesale surveillance of everyone on the road. It doesn't justify the expense to run these programs nor does it jive with the constitutional when this data is stored and shared amongst other agencies.

If these units were solely for the purpose of pinging when they encounter invalid plates and INS fine. But on top of all that this is being used to plot your movements.
 
2013-07-17 01:45:50 PM  
Here's how the platescan programs work.  First they scan license plates and run them against different indexes, stolen vehicle, amber alert, etc.  Second, what is also captured is a photograph and gps coordinate of where that vehicle was at the time it was scanned.  Now when a serious offense occurs like a fatality accident and the suspect flees in the vehicle and a witness can only provide the last 3 letters of the license plate.  An investigator can search the database for any vehicles that may have been scanned by the system matching the information provided by the witness.  Hey look, suspect vehicle has been scanned 38 times at XYZ apartments.  Knock knock, click click, case solved.

In Texas, these systems cannot access databases that contain vehicle registration/insurance info.  Those searches have to been done by a human.
 
2013-07-17 01:47:31 PM  
Did anyone mention that you have no expectation of privacy doing a licensed activity on government property yet?

That always spices up the thread.
 
2013-07-17 01:47:35 PM  
Law enforcement officials say the practice is legal and helps to automate work the police were already doing.

Yeah, manually keeping track of licenses and locations was legal, amassing a huge database that tracks everyone's movement is not specifically legal.  Frankly this type of thing is inevitable, because people love their power over others, but we need to regulate (with heavy fines and jail time) the use of these Orwellian nightmares to very narrow purposes.  They WILL be abused.

/are being abused.
 
2013-07-17 01:49:23 PM  

James!: Smeggy Smurf: James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.

The pigs here love to give the tickets for that.  It's a no-risk big money ticket

You let farm animals be police?


well of course.  after all, some farm animals are more equal than others.
 
2013-07-17 01:50:04 PM  
Was a big deal here in Minnesota last year because the general public had access to the data.

Want to stalk your ex?  Just look them up and see everywhere they've been!
 
2013-07-17 01:50:26 PM  

GBB: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

OK.  how about this: amber alerts, or silver alerts?


That's a fair point. But while that type of passive surveillance has it's uses, I just don't trust law enforcement not to abuse it. Are you honestly comfortable with the state having a file outlining everywhere your vehicle has been in the last year? I'm not.
 
2013-07-17 01:51:37 PM  

JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.


Never heard of that, nor never got a ticket for it when living in NC, which only has rear plates.
/back in NY now, so it doesn't matter.
//fark the police
 
2013-07-17 01:52:22 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: GBB: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

OK.  how about this: amber alerts, or silver alerts?

That's a fair point. But while that type of passive surveillance has it's uses, I just don't trust law enforcement not to abuse it. Are you honestly comfortable with the state having a file outlining everywhere your vehicle has been in the last year? I'm not.


Why can't they just look for specific plate numbers or delete any records past a few days? You get your criminal tracking but regular Joes don't get caught in the mix.
 
2013-07-17 01:55:52 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: GBB: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

OK.  how about this: amber alerts, or silver alerts?

That's a fair point. But while that type of passive surveillance has it's uses, I just don't trust law enforcement not to abuse it. Are you honestly comfortable with the state having a file outlining everywhere your vehicle has been in the last year? I'm not.


If you live in an area where a platescan vehicle or camera is posted every 30ft (typical range of platescan IR cameras) on every road where you live, then I would move.
 
2013-07-17 01:59:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: James!: JasonGriffee: Why do you think it's illegal to park backwards on a parking space? Duh.

I have never heard that was illegal.

The pigs here love to give the tickets for that.  It's a no-risk big money ticket


Where's here? I'm pretty sure there's no law against it in Tennessee and Georgia, which have rear-only plates. I've never even heard of it.
 
2013-07-17 02:06:29 PM  
Time goes on, this data just gets cheaper and easier to gather and process.
Get used to it, it's inevitable.
 
2013-07-17 02:11:33 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: James!: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

You'd rather allow a criminal to steal your entire identity than have a picture taken of your license plate?

No, I'd rather run the RISK of having my identity stolen than let the police posess a database of everywhere my car has ever been.


I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.
 
2013-07-17 02:19:30 PM  

James!: DeadPuppySociety: James!: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

You'd rather allow a criminal to steal your entire identity than have a picture taken of your license plate?

No, I'd rather run the RISK of having my identity stolen than let the police posess a database of everywhere my car has ever been.

I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.


Except, you know, they do.
 
2013-07-17 02:20:18 PM  
I don't think license plates go far enough. Anyone in public should be forced to wear a hat that clearly displays an ID number. And it should be a crime to remove this hat or obscure it in anyway. Also a crime to use fake number.

If all people were required to wear a publicly visible ID number all the time then there wouldn't be any crime anymore. Anyone who disagrees with this is obviously a criminal or criminal wannabe.
 
2013-07-17 02:22:23 PM  
Are we at the point yet where farting can be called "Blowing a kiss to the NSA?"
 
2013-07-17 02:24:28 PM  

lewismarktwo: James!: DeadPuppySociety: James!: DeadPuppySociety: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Thanks, but given the choice I'd rather lose my wallet than live under that type of surveillance.

You'd rather allow a criminal to steal your entire identity than have a picture taken of your license plate?

No, I'd rather run the RISK of having my identity stolen than let the police posess a database of everywhere my car has ever been.

I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.

Except, you know, they do.


Do I?
 
2013-07-17 02:25:09 PM  
Honestly, I'm old and grey and none of this comes as any surprise to me - none.  As soon as the technology existed, it would be put to use, that's just the way the system works.

You can do one of two things:  Panic, take all sorts of silly actions and accomplish nothing, or consider The Purloined Letter method.

Privacy is sadly a quaint, outdated notion when it comes to the Gov't.  The good news is that they lack the resources to bother most of us anyway.
 
2013-07-17 02:29:56 PM  

GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!


Let's see, violation of my expectation of privacy every day, vs the number of times my (insured) car has been stolen (0).

What to pick.. what to pick..
 
2013-07-17 02:33:50 PM  

bmwericus: Honestly, I'm old and grey and none of this comes as any surprise to me - none.  As soon as the technology existed, it would be put to use, that's just the way the system works.

You can do one of two things:  Panic, take all sorts of silly actions and accomplish nothing, or consider The Purloined Letter method.

Privacy is sadly a quaint, outdated notion when it comes to the Gov't.  The good news is that they lack the resources to bother most of us anyway.


It won't stay that way forever.  Now is the time to make laws that limit the use of such databases.  The only way that will happen is if our illustrious representatives feel the same pain we do because they are completely disconnected from the real world.
 
2013-07-17 02:34:45 PM  

James!: I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.

Except, you know, they do.

Do I?


The new giant NSA datacenter in Utah would like to answer, but won't.
 
2013-07-17 02:35:14 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Time goes on, this data just gets cheaper and easier to gather and process.
Get used to it, it's inevitable.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-17 02:42:20 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Let's see, violation of my expectation of privacy every day, vs the number of times my (insured) car has been stolen (0).

What to pick.. what to pick..


What privacy do you expect to maintain on a public road displaying a license plate to your purchased vehicle for all to see?
 
2013-07-17 02:44:19 PM  

logieal: James!: I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.

Except, you know, they do.

Do I?

The new giant NSA datacenter in Utah would like to answer, but won't.


And that's where cops are storing pictures of your run to the grocery store?  You believe that?
 
2013-07-17 02:49:28 PM  
They also probably can listen and watch you eat, smoke, text and drink while driving. Good times.
 
2013-07-17 02:53:24 PM  
I'm surprised that so few of you have a problem with this. One of my concerns is how easy it is to abuse the system. Let's say we have a cop that is getting divorced and he's stalking his estranged wife. There is no where she can hide that he won't know about within a few hours. People that support this say "it's just a license plate or it's just a phone number" but it all adds up and the temptation is pretty high for people to misuse their access to these "classified" files.

That goes for NSA workers too, not just cops.
 
2013-07-17 03:07:51 PM  

blast yer scuppers: I'm surprised that so few of you have a problem with this. One of my concerns is how easy it is to abuse the system. Let's say we have a cop that is getting divorced and he's stalking his estranged wife. There is no where she can hide that he won't know about within a few hours. People that support this say "it's just a license plate or it's just a phone number" but it all adds up and the temptation is pretty high for people to misuse their access to these "classified" files.

That goes for NSA workers too, not just cops.


Or he could just follow her? Save a few hours and cut out the many steps you describe of a system that would require a platescan vehicle to follow her to record her every movement. Assuming she got one of the vehicles in their divorce, otherwise he would have nothing to follow.

Of course she got the car, they take everything.
 
2013-07-17 03:12:18 PM  

blast yer scuppers: I'm surprised that so few of you have a problem with this. One of my concerns is how easy it is to abuse the system. Let's say we have a cop that is getting divorced and he's stalking his estranged wife. There is no where she can hide that he won't know about within a few hours. People that support this say "it's just a license plate or it's just a phone number" but it all adds up and the temptation is pretty high for people to misuse their access to these "classified" files.

That goes for NSA workers too, not just cops.


Unpossible. Everyone knows that all cops are paragons of virtue and All American Values, all spawned from the genetic code of Captain America himself!
Next question.
 
2013-07-17 03:14:23 PM  

Solaris: BraveNewCheneyWorld: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Let's see, violation of my expectation of privacy every day, vs the number of times my (insured) car has been stolen (0).

What to pick.. what to pick..

What privacy do you expect to maintain on a public road displaying a license plate to your purchased vehicle for all to see?


I think a reasonable person expects that their every move isn't being logged by a stalker.  I don't think that just because stalking and logging of your whereabouts has become convenient through technology, my expectation should diminish.  If aerial surveillance can not use advanced imaging technology without violating your rights, I see no reason why advanced recognition and logging technology should not also be subject to the same restriction.
 
2013-07-17 03:25:25 PM  

James!: logieal: James!: I doubt they have the storage capacity or interest to track your acura.

Except, you know, they do.

Do I?

The new giant NSA datacenter in Utah would like to answer, but won't.

And that's where cops are storing pictures of your run to the grocery store?  You believe that?


Could be. This IS the place where they're storing all your texts, phone calls, Google searches, frequented websites and emails...
 
2013-07-17 03:25:50 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Solaris: BraveNewCheneyWorld: GBB: Everyone vilifies this until the one time your car gets stolen with your wallet inside and you can't understand why cops can't remotely pull up CCTV security footage of the gas station where your debit card was just used.  I mean, they do it on the TeeVee all the time!

Let's see, violation of my expectation of privacy every day, vs the number of times my (insured) car has been stolen (0).

What to pick.. what to pick..

What privacy do you expect to maintain on a public road displaying a license plate to your purchased vehicle for all to see?

I think a reasonable person expects that their every move isn't being logged by a stalker.  I don't think that just because stalking and logging of your whereabouts has become convenient through technology, my expectation should diminish.  If aerial surveillance can not use advanced imaging technology without violating your rights, I see no reason why advanced recognition and logging technology should not also be subject to the same restriction.


If you have a police car with platescan following you every where you go, to "log your every move", I think you have more to worry about than the police keeping dibs on you.  And if everyone where you live is being "stalked" as you describe then maybe next time you should take the blue pill.
 
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