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(Yahoo)   Trustees convinced that Mitch Daniels attempts as Gov to censor academics and block students from getting credit for courses that taught a viewpoint he didn't approve of, will in no way spill over into his role as President of Purdue University   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 94
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2013-07-17 01:31:47 PM  
Fun Fact: Mitch Daniels is Arab-American.
 
2013-07-17 01:49:09 PM  
Is it just me or does the GOP really seem to hate education?
 
2013-07-17 02:20:16 PM  
Mitch Daniels is an asshat and president of my alma mater and only president because he appointed pretty much the entire board of trustees. He basically used his job in office to give himself a future job out of office. He's probably a fascist and can DIAF for all I care.
 
2013-07-17 03:02:00 PM  

Weaver95


Is it just me or does the GOP really seem to hate education?


I don't know about you, but subby clearly did his best not to get any book-learnin' on him when he was in school. Such a mess that headline is.
 
2013-07-17 03:02:36 PM  
Idological purity before everything else.
 
2013-07-17 03:02:47 PM  

Weaver95: Is it just me or does the GOP really seem to hate education?


They do. It's a lot harder to control an educated populace and to convince them that's what's really only good for the truly wealthy is good for them too.
 
2013-07-17 03:04:32 PM  
My friend has a fellowship there starting this fall.  She's extremely liberal so I'm wondering how this will go over considering she was told she could have her freshmen write about whatever topic she chooses (it's an English comp class).  I hope she picks some saucy topics.
 
2013-07-17 03:06:22 PM  
They still have book-learnin' 'n stuff at Purdue?

/boilermaker is a drink
 
2013-07-17 03:06:22 PM  

bdub77: Mitch Daniels is an asshat and president of my alma mater and only president because he appointed pretty much the entire board of trustees. He basically used his job in office to give himself a future job out of office. He's probably a fascist and can DIAF for all I care.


Which is why they're convinced he'll do the right thing.  After all, he appointed them, so he can't be half bad!
 
2013-07-17 03:09:28 PM  
Pricipal caught sayof ...

Nice headline.
 
2013-07-17 03:09:55 PM  

PillsHere: My friend has a fellowship there starting this fall.  She's extremely liberal so I'm wondering how this will go over considering she was told she could have her freshmen write about whatever topic she chooses (it's an English comp class).  I hope she picks some saucy topics.


She had plans to do that, but once she got to Purdue, she'll get all chicken.
 
2013-07-17 03:10:44 PM  

T-Servo: They still have book-learnin' 'n stuff at Purdue?

/boilermaker is a drink


More like purDON'T, amirite?
 
2013-07-17 03:11:38 PM  
What is it with universities picking whacked out people to run them?  First Janet Napolitano and now this guy?
 
2013-07-17 03:16:59 PM  
Headline gave me a headache.
 
2013-07-17 03:17:21 PM  
Ok making fun of republicans is always fun. Now does anyone want to try defending Howards Zinns work and prove he's not a revisionist who rewrites history for political gain? Because that's what this article is actually about.
 
2013-07-17 03:17:42 PM  
Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.
 
2013-07-17 03:18:44 PM  
Someone is really mad at Howard Zinn
 
2013-07-17 03:19:11 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: What is it with universities picking whacked out people to run them?  First Janet Napolitano and now this guy?


The state of Indiana isn't required to promote Marxism or the Marxist con artist Zinn. Or to continue subsidizing programs of study that have zero applicability to the real world. A million wankers in the US complain that their BA in poetry or whatever has left them with massive student loans but no job prospects.

btw in that article...the verb "censor"...does not mean what he thinks it means.
 
2013-07-17 03:20:17 PM  

genner: Ok making fun of republicans is always fun. Now does anyone want to try defending Howards Zinns work and prove he's not a revisionist who rewrites history for political gain? Because that's what this article is actually about.


So censoring is the only way?  Cause that's what Daniels tried to do.
 
2013-07-17 03:23:04 PM  

triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.


LMAO!  I have to wonder what that "research" would be or even how much funding it would need when Bibles are free to begin with.
 
2013-07-17 03:23:52 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: genner: Ok making fun of republicans is always fun. Now does anyone want to try defending Howards Zinns work and prove he's not a revisionist who rewrites history for political gain? Because that's what this article is actually about.

So censoring is the only way?  Cause that's what Daniels tried to do.


Requiring a history class to actually study history and not some fairy tale version of it isn't censorship anymore than keeping alchemy books out of a chemistry class is.
 
2013-07-17 03:24:29 PM  

PillsHere: My friend has a fellowship there starting this fall.  She's extremely liberal so I'm wondering how this will go over considering she was told she could have her freshmen write about whatever topic she chooses (it's an English comp class).  I hope she picks some saucy topics.


Purdue's English department actually has talented faculty that are interested in the intellectual development of their students. While it has been 6 years since I graduated, if she's primarily dealing with their English faculty, she won't have any problems. Now, the Engineering department on the other hand...

Still I'd be worried about Daniels trying to influence the humanities departments at Purdue. I'd characterize the school as a conservative-leaning campus anyway, but that doesn't mean that there aren't liberals on staff.

Hell, one of my professors told hilarious stories of his encounters with the locals. He told one story of when he was called into jury duty, the defense attorney kept referring to him as 'Professor' as if it was an insult. When the professor was asked about did he own a gun, and replied in the negative, the seemed incredulous. "You feel safe without a gun?"

I felt like the entire class was like, "Seriously. In Indiana, of all places. This isn't like Mozambique"

/csb
 
2013-07-17 03:25:47 PM  

genner: Ok making fun of republicans is always fun. Now does anyone want to try defending Howards Zinns work and prove he's not a revisionist who rewrites history for political gain? Because that's what this article is actually about.


You would think that the conservatives would make bank disproving all of those historical lies and inaccuracies that Zinn published. Hopefully one day they'll teach a course on it at Glenn Beck university.
 
2013-07-17 03:27:02 PM  
What a moron.  Everyone knows that college (and school in general) is there to SPREAD liberal propaganda, not limit it!
 
2013-07-17 03:30:55 PM  
Someone's all butthurt about Howard Zinn. LOL. I'm not saying he's right, but he's not wrong, either. Ya gotta mix up your historical perspectives to get a decent view of things.

Or you could just buy those videos that Mike Huckabee was shilling, they have a whole section on St. Reagan.
 
2013-07-17 03:31:17 PM  

YouFarkingIdiot: What a moron.  Everyone knows that college (and school in general) is there to SPREAD liberal propaganda, not limit it!


Sounds like someone had to attend their "safety" school....
 
2013-07-17 03:35:53 PM  
Do you like apples?  How do you like them apples?
 
2013-07-17 03:38:21 PM  

bdub77: Mitch Daniels is an asshat and president of my alma mater and only president because he appointed pretty much the entire board of trustees. He basically used his job in office to give himself a future job out of office. He's probably a fascist and can DIAF for all I care.


The same fascist who got caught with LSD, weed, and painkillers at Princeton and doesn't give two shiats about drugs? Is it the same fascist who signed a law saying that citizens could shoot police engaged in illegal entry of their property?

He clearly isn't a fan of Howard Zinn's work -- a lot of prominent historians are large critics -- so I can understand why he doesn't want it in schools. However the axe he is grinding seemed inappropriately large, even if the somewhat trollish headline doesn't make the distinction that he was focusing on K-12 schools, not universities.
 
2013-07-17 03:43:17 PM  

Vodka Zombie: triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.

LMAO!  I have to wonder what that "research" would be or even how much funding it would need when Bibles are free to begin with.


I will rephrase.  Mention the term ID, in any shape or fashion, to the academic community and see how fast your career is torpedoed.
 
2013-07-17 03:45:12 PM  

Weaver95: Is it just me or does the GOP really seem to hate education?


Their worst fear is people thinking for themselves. Also, the facts tend to have a liberal bias.
 
2013-07-17 03:50:19 PM  

triplenickel03: Vodka Zombie: triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.

LMAO!  I have to wonder what that "research" would be or even how much funding it would need when Bibles are free to begin with.

I will rephrase.  Mention the term ID, in any shape or fashion, to the academic community and see how fast your career is torpedoed.


And this is a problem how?
 
2013-07-17 03:51:22 PM  

triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.


The lack of funding for research on intelligent design isn't because people are stopping it or censoring it. It's because no one wants to fund it. And, while researchers in academia do tend to pursue avenues that will bring in funding, but they often do other work that is not funded, particularly when it is something that interests them. If a researcher was interested enough, they could do it. Additionally, if one were to come up with some actual experiments to test the intelligent design theory, I would think some religious groups would start providing funding.

As it is, intelligent design is not much of a theory, there are no real experiments that can prove or disprove it, and no one is interested. Except for you, apparently.
 
2013-07-17 03:52:34 PM  

triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.


I'd love to see the back-asswards grant proposal that was written for that.

triplenickel03: I will rephrase. Mention the term ID, in any shape or fashion, to the academic community and see how fast your career is torpedoed.


There aren't a lot of people in the field of anthropology, geography, biology, etc. who believe in ID and make it through doctoral studies in those areas.
 
2013-07-17 03:52:39 PM  
I want to say I'm bothered that My Biatch Mitch is heading the source of my undergrad degree, but there are a couple reasons why I'm kinda meh.  1.  Purdue is really conservative already.  You'll get that when the student body is primarily composed of rural Hoosiers and upper-middle class kids from the Chicago suburbs.  2.  Purdue's goal lately seems to be winning an arms race of student amenities and building a larger endowment.  That seems to be the goal everywhere, but Purdue is becoming exemplary at it by exploiting its good science reputation to that aim.  Mitch will help them do that better than anybody.  Yes, I'm a cynic.

As an engineer, my exposure to humanities at Purdue was already extremely slim.  I didn't even take a history course at Purdue.  It wasn't required, and with 9 hours a week of uncredited lab requirements, there wasn't anyway I could go beyond 17/18 credit hours.
 
2013-07-17 03:54:31 PM  

triplenickel03: Vodka Zombie: triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.

LMAO!  I have to wonder what that "research" would be or even how much funding it would need when Bibles are free to begin with.

I will rephrase.  Mention the term ID, in any shape or fashion, to the academic community and see how fast your career is torpedoed.


There's a good reason for that.  It's bullshiat pseudoscience.  Aspects of intelligent design actually have been studied by prominent scientists, the results of which have been published.  When held up to scientific scrutiny, ID fails every time.  So if you come out as a supporter of ID, it's pretty clear that you are no more serious a scientist than if you claimed that aliens built the pyramids.
 
2013-07-17 03:55:12 PM  
Shane later added that a statewide review "would force to daylight a lot of excrement."

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-07-17 03:55:27 PM  

triplenickel03: Vodka Zombie: triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.

LMAO!  I have to wonder what that "research" would be or even how much funding it would need when Bibles are free to begin with.

I will rephrase.  Mention the term ID, in any shape or fashion, to the academic community and see how fast your career is torpedoed.


I still can feel the stings of laughter when my thesis proving that the Devil created dinosaur bones to trick us was turned down.

That's how it is in the snooty, fascist world of Paleontology.
 
2013-07-17 03:56:26 PM  

endmile: triplenickel03: Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Try to get research funding for intelligent design and see how that works out for you.

The lack of funding for research on intelligent design isn't because people are stopping it or censoring it. It's because no one wants to fund it. And, while researchers in academia do tend to pursue avenues that will bring in funding, but they often do other work that is not funded, particularly when it is something that interests them. If a researcher was interested enough, they could do it. Additionally, if one were to come up with some actual experiments to test the intelligent design theory, I would think some religious groups would start providing funding.

As it is, intelligent design is not much of a theory, there are no real experiments that can prove or disprove it, and no one is interested. Except for you, apparently.


You could be more wrong.  But I can't think of an experiment to test it.
 
2013-07-17 03:58:45 PM  
Wasn't this the guy who got cuckolded?
 
2013-07-17 03:58:55 PM  
Jesus built my skeleton.  It's a love affair, mainly Jesus and my skeleton.
 
2013-07-17 04:02:26 PM  
I'm still wondering why Mitch didn't end up in jail for the IPALCO sale and stock fiasco.
 
2013-07-17 04:03:36 PM  

theorellior: Someone's all butthurt about Howard Zinn. LOL. I'm not saying he's right, but he's not wrong, either. Ya gotta mix up your historical perspectives to get a decent view of things.

Or you could just buy those videos that Mike Huckabee was shilling, they have a whole section on St. Reagan.


Yeah, that book has some pretty huge problems but unless he was willing to explicate his issues with the book (which I'm sure he couldn't other than to just yell "ZIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNN!!!!") I'd be hardpressed to want to see it taken out of use.
 
2013-07-17 04:03:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I want to say I'm bothered that My Biatch Mitch is heading the source of my undergrad degree, but there are a couple reasons why I'm kinda meh.  1.  Purdue is really conservative already.  You'll get that when the student body is primarily composed of rural Hoosiers and upper-middle class kids from the Chicago suburbs.  2.  Purdue's goal lately seems to be winning an arms race of student amenities and building a larger endowment.  That seems to be the goal everywhere, but Purdue is becoming exemplary at it by exploiting its good science reputation to that aim.  Mitch will help them do that better than anybody.  Yes, I'm a cynic.

As an engineer, my exposure to humanities at Purdue was already extremely slim.  I didn't even take a history course at Purdue.  It wasn't required, and with 9 hours a week of uncredited lab requirements, there wasn't anyway I could go beyond 17/18 credit hours.


I should make a joke there about how that's because Purdue is all guys, but I can't really think of a creative one.
 
2013-07-17 04:07:22 PM  
My biatch Mitch... Dude's an asshat. Climbed to Bush fame because he estimated the Iraq war would be about Fiddy to Sixty Billion. Then rode around the corn fields of Indiana in an RV for a year to get name recognition for the upcoming Governor election. Now, he's president of Purdue and kicking around the idea of shutting down the satellite campuses. You know, for education. Yeah, fark that guy. And he's just a 'lil guy, like leprechaun little. He spent I don't know how much in renovation to the Governors Mansion downtown- a house he never lived in- He stayed up in the McMansionvilles of Giest. Guess we downtowners weren't good enough for your bald, leprechaun ass.
 
2013-07-17 04:07:32 PM  

redmid17: Rapmaster2000: I want to say I'm bothered that My Biatch Mitch is heading the source of my undergrad degree, but there are a couple reasons why I'm kinda meh.  1.  Purdue is really conservative already.  You'll get that when the student body is primarily composed of rural Hoosiers and upper-middle class kids from the Chicago suburbs.  2.  Purdue's goal lately seems to be winning an arms race of student amenities and building a larger endowment.  That seems to be the goal everywhere, but Purdue is becoming exemplary at it by exploiting its good science reputation to that aim.  Mitch will help them do that better than anybody.  Yes, I'm a cynic.

As an engineer, my exposure to humanities at Purdue was already extremely slim.  I didn't even take a history course at Purdue.  It wasn't required, and with 9 hours a week of uncredited lab requirements, there wasn't anyway I could go beyond 17/18 credit hours.

I should make a joke there about how that's because Purdue is all guys, but I can't really think of a creative one.


Ha.  Well, the place is a sausage fest.  It's better now than in the mid 90s when I attended.  Purdue has made efforts to expand the liberal arts curriculum and it has resulted in something like 42% female enrollment.  I just noted on wiki that 22% of the student body is international. I'd wager that's highly tilted to graduate programs.
 
2013-07-17 04:12:42 PM  
Rapmaster2000:
As an engineer, my exposure to humanities at Purdue was already extremely slim.  I didn't even take a history course at Purdue.  It wasn't required, and with 9 hours a week of uncredited lab requirements, there wasn't anyway I could go beyond 17/18 credit hours.

I think that's the thing that's changed the most since I was in college, yea these many moons ago.

I was a humanities student (double major, History and English, minor in Journalism) yet I was required to take one "hard science" per semester. I took math courses mostly and frankly got all the way up to advanced calculus which I enjoyed. Also took biology and physics. My friends in the sciences were similarly required to take something "arts" in nature.

By the time my kids got to college, that had changed even though we all went to the same university. My daughter (double major in psychiatry and biology) took only one humanities class per year so she usually took history and she did this out of choice, she was not required. My son (public policy) took sports-medicine classes for all his electives because he's an amateur athlete and he wanted the access to the gym and the trainers. As far as I know, he didn't read a single book in four years that didn't pertain to either government or training. I know he didn't read a novel or a history in that time.

Seems like college is getting to be more and more like a technical school in that they teach you to do a certain job and that's it. Which is really too bad, as all the good-looking students are in the arts curriculum. So a little mixing of the classes goes a long way to prevent engineers from getting married to other engineers and having ugly kids.

/jk
 
2013-07-17 04:12:57 PM  

yarnothuntin: My biatch Mitch... Dude's an asshat. Climbed to Bush fame because he estimated the Iraq war would be about Fiddy to Sixty Billion. Then rode around the corn fields of Indiana in an RV for a year to get name recognition for the upcoming Governor election. Now, he's president of Purdue and kicking around the idea of shutting down the satellite campuses. You know, for education. Yeah, fark that guy. And he's just a 'lil guy, like leprechaun little. He spent I don't know how much in renovation to the Governors Mansion downtown- a house he never lived in- He stayed up in the McMansionvilles of Giest. Guess we downtowners weren't good enough for your bald, leprechaun ass.


I had to look up the satellite campus closing and I can't say I'm surprised.  Maintaining a commuter school doesn't give Mitch the revenue he's after.  Then I found this awesome quote from Mitch:

Daniels told The Times he didn't seek the job by approaching Purdue board members, a majority of whom he appointed. He said the board came to him and told him Purdue students, faculty and alumni wanted Daniels to run their school.

Speaking of excrement.
 
2013-07-17 04:15:59 PM  

SquiggsIN: FACTS HAVE NO BIAS.  AT ALL.  THEY ARE FACTS.


But some are just more facty than others, otherwise how do does Fox & Friends so consistently get them wrong? IE:

Scientology was not founded by I Ron Man.
Peaking at ladies' butts is not a background check.
Zach Braff is not the sound a trumpet makes.
 
2013-07-17 04:18:18 PM  
Next week, he'll announce the sale of Perdue to the University of Phoenix for pennies on the dollar plus a nice stock deal for himself.   It's a perfect match, like two Ps in a pod.   Degrees will be worthless, but it's a sacrifice Mitch is willing to make.

The physical campus will then serve a unique purpose:  university campus by day and early evening -- then minimum security private prison at night until 6:30 am.

The new contract has a sweet but confidential reward for Mitch plus a multimillion dollar signing bonus and matching political contribution.

The prisoners during the daytime will be subjects for Mitch's brainchild -- an applied psychology lab which will make rendering victims  academics to Romania for interrogation a thing of the past.

As you may see where this is leading, the current Perdue faculty on that special list will be offered as chance to stay on as nighttime guests of Phoenix or leave without pension.
 
2013-07-17 04:24:56 PM  
O HAI news from November 2012. Everybody pretty much said the same thing when he was announced no matter their ideologies, and that was if he brings in the money, all is well. So far all is well.
 
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