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(Washington Post)   Having addressed the nation's agricultural and hunger issues, the USDA turns its attention to evildoers like the magician who must be some kind of Tea Party antigovernment nutcase because he has no USDA-mandated disaster plan for his rabbit   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 39
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2013-07-17 11:53:54 AM
"She said, 'Show me your license.' And I said, 'License for ...?'" Hahne recounted. This was after a 2005 show at a library in Monett, Mo. Among the crowd of parents and kids, there was a woman with a badge. A USDA inspector.

"You're telling me I can kill the rabbit right in front of you," Hahne says he asked an inspector, "but I can't take it across the street to the birthday party" without a license? Also, the law applies only to warmblooded animals. If Hahne were pulling an iguana out of his hat - no license required.

Now, he needs both a license and a disaster plan.

This new rule was first proposed by the USDA in 2006 under President George W. Bush.



Welcome to Obama's America, in full effect.
 
2013-07-17 12:02:40 PM
Hey, that's one foul beast...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 12:03:56 PM
These are the people who tried to evict Hemingway's cats.
 
2013-07-17 12:04:27 PM
Outraged:

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2013-07-17 12:24:29 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-17 12:26:39 PM

sigdiamond2000: Welcome to Obama's America, in full effect.


I forget, does pointing out that laws were enacted and enforced under Bush still count as a "But...but...Bush!" from the idiot brigade?

Or are we finally realizing that the evidence of Obama's time travel machine is irrefutable?
 
2013-07-17 12:28:40 PM
And now here's something we hope you'll really like.
 
2013-07-17 12:30:15 PM
born_yesterday: I forget, does pointing out that laws were enacted and enforced under Bush still count as a "But...but...Bush!" from the idiot brigade?Or are we finally realizing that the evidence of Obama's time travel machine is irrefutable?

Yes.
 
2013-07-17 12:31:25 PM
Was that guy implying that his disaster relief plan would be to kill his rabbit in front of a room of kids?
 
2013-07-17 12:33:36 PM
All those 1 bunny magicians have a massive aggregate effect on interstate commerce.


/tongue firmly in cheek
 
2013-07-17 12:36:48 PM
What is galling is the bureaucratic resistence to correcting the issue even after Secretary Vilsack demanded a review.  Gotta justify those jobs somehow, I guess.  And the transparency on the background of these rules is -sadly- what you would expect.

Sounds like a good housecleaning would be in order.
 
2013-07-17 12:39:10 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Was that guy implying that his disaster relief plan would be to kill his rabbit in front of a room of kids?


No, the article said that this plan was not required by those that grow animials for meat.  If he were to kill and butcher the rabbit in front of the kids, no USDA disaster permit would be required, however, you could argue that a PR disaster permit would definatly be required.
 
2013-07-17 12:40:57 PM
"Our country's broke," Hahne said. "And yet they have money and time to harass somebody about a rabbit."

Can we please stop with the delusion that the government is a singular, monolithic entity that can only do one thing at a time, and assuming that if the government is doing X it has made itself incapable of doing anything about Y? The many different government agencies focus on different problems (or at least, different aspects to the same problem), some of which are necessarily not as important as others. Also, what does this guy think the USDA can do about the country being broke?
 
2013-07-17 12:42:35 PM

born_yesterday: I forget, does pointing out that laws were enacted and enforced under Bush still count as a "But...but...Bush!" from the idiot brigade?


This law was enacted in 65 with additional requirements added in 1970 and 1996.

Not under Obama nor under B-b-b-b Bush.  I'll let you figure out who was in office during those years.
 
2013-07-17 12:44:48 PM
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Don't ask how the rabbit trick worked before the government regulations.
 
2013-07-17 12:47:07 PM

HeadLever: born_yesterday: I forget, does pointing out that laws were enacted and enforced under Bush still count as a "But...but...Bush!" from the idiot brigade?

This law was enacted in 65 with additional requirements added in 1970 and 1996.

Not under Obama nor under B-b-b-b Bush.  I'll let you figure out who was in office during those years.


This is LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin Incident!
 
2013-07-17 12:47:48 PM
This headline meme is so tired and old.
1 out of 100,000 USDA employees worries about a rabbit and all of the sudden the entire agency does not care about hunger.
Still no cure for cancer either.
 
2013-07-17 12:47:59 PM
Won't someone think of the bunnies?
 
2013-07-17 12:52:25 PM
This is almost satire, which is very sad, but very funny.
 
2013-07-17 12:52:31 PM

Kome: Can we please stop with the delusion that the government is a singular, monolithic entity that can only do one thing at a time,


It is more than just this one issue of needing a permit. It is the inherent bureaucratic resistenct to accept common sense in many of these regards.  It is not just the USDA, but nearly evey one of thse bureaucratic entities.  Just look how hard the EPA was slapped last year in the Sackett case, or the shenanigans of the NSA, ATF, etc.
 
2013-07-17 12:57:56 PM
Was it for a "rabbit to mice" trick?

Because I was told that can't be done.
 
2013-07-17 12:58:52 PM

HeadLever: It is more than just this one issue of needing a permit. It is the inherent bureaucratic resistenct to accept common sense in many of these regards. It is not just the USDA, but nearly evey one of thse bureaucratic entities.


Which is why most people think that big bureaucracies are a bad thing, and it is this kind of thing, repeated over and over that fuels the general sentiment that the federal government is wasteful, invasive, and counter-productive.

But let's put something in perspective: This PERSON, this individual agent had the discretion to simply not make an issue of it, and none of this would have occurred. Bureaucracies fail when the individuals involved in operating it have no authority to exercise judgment. And yes, that means that sometimes they may make "bad" judgment calls.
 
2013-07-17 01:02:10 PM
"Our country's broke," Hahne said. "And yet they have money and time to harass somebody about a rabbit."

Oh for goodness sakes, you got an automatically generated form letter. Cry me a river.
 
2013-07-17 01:02:33 PM

HeadLever: born_yesterday: I forget, does pointing out that laws were enacted and enforced under Bush still count as a "But...but...Bush!" from the idiot brigade?

This law was enacted in 65 with additional requirements added in 1970 and 1996.

Not under Obama nor under B-b-b-b Bush.  I'll let you figure out who was in office during those years.


The disaster plan mandate, which is what this article is about, was initiated in response to Hurricane Katrina. I'll let you figure out who was in office then.

Hint: It was Obama. Hurricane Katrina was his Hurricane Katrina.
 
2013-07-17 01:14:40 PM

HeadLever: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Was that guy implying that his disaster relief plan would be to kill his rabbit in front of a room of kids?

No, the article said that this plan was not required by those that grow animials for meat.  If he were to kill and butcher the rabbit in front of the kids, no USDA disaster permit would be required, however, you could argue that a PR disaster permit would definatly be required.


I don't see why a magician wouldn't just say that he plans on eating the rabbit - eventually -and that everything in between is just his particular method of transporting and preparing the rabbit for that outcome.  People show animals destined to be food all the time, like at 4H cattle shows.

First thing you do- lose the $50 license cost.  "Mr. Inspector, Casey is no longer with us (on account of I changed his name), so I won't be paying that exhibitor fee for him anymore."

Then you lose the regulator for good:  "Kasey here, who is technically a completely different rabbit which you can tell by the absence of you having recorded any specific identifiable information about him last time around, is being raised to be supper."

No permit required.  Sometimes, you just have to give the bureaucrats the information that they require.
 
2013-07-17 01:17:54 PM
Try making policy that covers 93% of any group. Sorry, some folks are not going to fit and they'll have to go the extra mile.
 
2013-07-17 01:37:28 PM

unyon: I don't see why a magician wouldn't just say that he plans on eating the rabbit - eventually -and that everything in between is just his particular method of transporting and preparing the rabbit for that outcome. People show animals destined to be food all the time, like at 4H cattle shows.


Or, for lulz, classifying his trick as a "trade secret" and deny that a live rabbit is used - one is conjured from the aether for the trick, then returned to it when the trick is done.

Ralph here is just my pet bunny. Even magicians need companionship.
 
2013-07-17 01:42:16 PM

Kome: "Our country's broke," Hahne said. "And yet they have money and time to harass somebody about a rabbit."

Can we please stop with the delusion that the government is a singular, monolithic entity that can only do one thing at a time, and assuming that if the government is doing X it has made itself incapable of doing anything about Y? The many different government agencies focus on different problems (or at least, different aspects to the same problem), some of which are necessarily not as important as others. Also, what does this guy think the USDA can do about the country being broke?


Are you basically arguing that the USDA is required to have a bunny inspector regardless of the fact that the USDA knows it doesn't need one, so don't rip on the USDA for having a bunny inspector while the overall gov't budget is in deficit?

I view this as the guy asking if there are other more important things this inspector can do besides worry about a hack magicians bunny routine.  Kinda like police spend an awful amount of money and resources to bust people smoking a joint while the murder rates are going up in a town.

Granted, we don't know what all duties this inspector is responsible for. Ii the inspector only to investigate magicians who use bunnies in their acts or does he have a wider jurisdiction where time could be better spent investigating a farm known for e. coli outbreaks?
 
2013-07-17 02:32:22 PM

sigdiamond2000: was initiated in response to Hurricane Katrina. I'll let you figure out who was in office then.


But it was finalized and enacted in January 30, 2013 even though the vast majority of the public comments were opposed to it.  I'll let you figure out who was in office then.
 
2013-07-17 02:37:56 PM

Kome: "Our country's broke," Hahne said. "And yet they have money and time to harass somebody about a rabbit."

Can we please stop with the delusion that the government is a singular, monolithic entity that can only do one thing at a time, and assuming that if the government is doing X it has made itself incapable of doing anything about Y? The many different government agencies focus on different problems (or at least, different aspects to the same problem), some of which are necessarily not as important as others. Also, what does this guy think the USDA can do about the country being broke?


Enact a rabbit tax, obviously.
 
2013-07-17 03:14:56 PM

ZAZ: These are the people who tried to evict Hemingway's cats.


thanks  i had lost track of that
i take it that they backed off - good
 
2013-07-17 03:19:11 PM
is it common knowledge that people eat rabbits still?
 
2013-07-17 03:20:13 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Was that guy implying that his disaster relief plan would be to kill his rabbit in front of a room of kids?


Who's hungry?
 
2013-07-17 03:30:27 PM
Bunday thread?
www.spacebison.com
 
2013-07-17 03:53:29 PM

knowless: is it common knowledge that people eat rabbits still?


Knowing much of the attitudes around Ag, I am not too sure that it is common knowledge that people eat cows.
 
2013-07-17 04:01:09 PM

HeadLever: knowless: is it common knowledge that people eat rabbits still?

Knowing much of the attitudes around Ag, I am not too sure that it is common knowledge that people eat cows.


You've been talking to too many city people online, Head. You're getting cynical
 
2013-07-17 04:28:03 PM

amishkarl: You're getting cynical


Yeah, you are probably right.
 
2013-07-17 07:17:35 PM
I'm thinking the disaster plan would be to buy a new rabbit.
 
2013-07-19 12:32:55 AM
So its a law mainly for people who own a bunch of show animals (say a zoo, seaworld, etc). Seems reasonable. Its too bad you only have one show animal and it still applies I guess. Also can't the disaster plan be like "I will take the bunny with me and feed it grass until I have a new place to put it?".
 
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