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2013-07-17 11:37:06 AM
Holy shat, man. I read that as beerpocalypse/ beermageddon.

I can't stop shaking.
 
2013-07-17 11:47:30 AM
on the up side we can now expect more "the Killer bees are taking over!!!"  articles.
 
2013-07-17 11:50:44 AM

impaler: Holy shat, man. I read that as beerpocalypse/ beermageddon.

I can't stop shaking.


Don`t even joke about it!
 
2013-07-17 11:50:46 AM
But what about...BEENADO?
 
2013-07-17 11:52:31 AM

impaler: Holy shat, man. I read that as beerpocalypse/ beermageddon.

I can't stop shaking.


I read it as beefpocalypse/beefmageddon and was equally terrified. (I know, I sound fat).

Hopefully this news will not reach syfy before they greenlight my latest script

Beequake.

/People believe the ground beneath their feet to be solid, but when rent in twain shall release.... the beepocalypse
//god damn it, no not crumpocalypse that is something else entirely
 
2013-07-17 11:52:32 AM

buckler: But what about...BEENADO?


That is so last week.

It's all about the Ghost Bee now....

img2u.info
 
2013-07-17 11:53:36 AM

impaler: Holy shat, man. I read that as beerpocalypse/ beermageddon.

I can't stop shaking.


Me to.  It was the scariest thing I've read since the story yesterday about a naked old man found in the street with his junk cut off
 
2013-07-17 11:57:09 AM
The media is abuzz once again with stories about dying bees.

i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-17 12:00:41 PM
PERC is one of the pioneers of "the approach known as free market environmentalism

the guts of a force of roughly a dozen or so foundations that, since the 1960s, have coordinated their efforts toward forging national policy favorable to deregulation of industry and to privatization. According to Mediatransparency's records, PERC received $4,175,875 from all funding sources combined from 1985 to 2002.

Let the market tell you how to feel.
 
2013-07-17 12:05:22 PM
well there goes my plan to sell bee's to prepper's.
 
2013-07-17 12:09:45 PM

alechemist: well there goes my plan to sell bee's to prepper's.


Do it anyway.  Preppers are the kind that will make barrels full of mead and store it for years.
 
2013-07-17 12:16:07 PM
about $55 for 12,000 worker bees"About $55 for 12,000 worker bees"

I know what I'm giving people for Christmas this year.
about $55 for 12,000 worker bees
 
2013-07-17 12:19:24 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: about $55 for 12,000 worker bees"About $55 for 12,000 worker bees"

I know what I'm giving people for Christmas this year.
about $55 for 12,000 worker bees


When I was a kid, my dad raised bees. He would occasionally order replacements like this. They came in boxes UPS. Angry buzzing boxes. The UPS driver did not like my dad.
 
2013-07-17 12:21:04 PM
FTA - the cost of CCD on almonds is trivial - smokehouse almonds increase due to CCD and bee replacement is a "mere 2.8 cents".

Well, that being said, I presume that someone who is a senior fellow emeritus from PERC.org would find it acceptable to raise the wages of people who pick food by increasing the cost of said food a mere few cents per pound

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/minimum-wages-equal-opportunit y- or-barrier-to-entry#axzz2ZJs6uyG6

oh...never mind

/I know...unrelated - just made me grumpy for some reason
 
2013-07-17 12:21:14 PM
So the point this is trying to make is that the die-off rate increasing from 15% to 30% is no big deal because the people who own and manage the bee colonies are doing everything they can to shore up numbers and keep them stable.

Thus solving the problem once and for all. Once and for All!
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2013-07-17 12:33:08 PM
"What was once identified as a problem, we reacted to and have managed to control, to an extent. There was never a problem!"

self-preventing prophecy.

And this article mentions nothing of wild bees....It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?
 
2013-07-17 01:00:10 PM
Any organization that has 'research center' in its title you know has to be a creation by a special interest group. A group called the 'Environmental Fluid Dynamics Research Organization' would be lobbying secretly to have a waste treatment plant built next to a kindergarten.
 
2013-07-17 01:07:06 PM

robbiex0r: "What was once identified as a problem, we reacted to and have managed to control, to an extent. There was never a problem!"

self-preventing prophecy.

And this article mentions nothing of wild bees....It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?


Hmm...good point.  Our main concern as always is our own bees and ones used for crop pollination.  Is there a percentage of wild bees that pollinate our crops or is that a domesticated operation?
 
2013-07-17 01:14:45 PM
neversubmit: PERC is one of the pioneers of "the approach known as free market environmentalism


This bears rebeeting.
 
2013-07-17 01:31:12 PM
So we're not losing bee populations, because beekeepers can just buy more bees?

That was an awfully long article for an awfully silly premise.

Fark yo bees, n*gga, buy new ones!
 
2013-07-17 01:32:26 PM

robbiex0r: "What was once identified as a problem, we reacted to and have managed to control, to an extent. There was never a problem!"

self-preventing prophecy.

And this article mentions nothing of wild bees....It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?


I haven't seen anything on wild bee colony survival, and sadly don't have time to google it.

I did see that some organic farmers are pushing to remove tobacco based pesticides from being considered "organic".  Tobacco based pesticides are kill everything, nuke it from orbiatchemicals..
 
2013-07-17 01:37:05 PM

neversubmit: PERC is one of the pioneers of "the approach known as free market environmentalism

the guts of a force of roughly a dozen or so foundations that, since the 1960s, have coordinated their efforts toward forging national policy favorable to deregulation of industry and to privatization. According to Mediatransparency's records, PERC received $4,175,875 from all funding sources combined from 1985 to 2002.

Let the market tell you how to feel.


Yeah, this link is the equivalent of seeking the Tobacco Institute's (may they rest in pieces) opinion on the safety of cigarettes. I'd guess subby's a sock puppet for them.
 
2013-07-17 01:39:02 PM
Noteworthy: PERC is funded by charter members of the John Birch Society, and Fred Koch.

Yay, Libertarian environmentalists!
 
2013-07-17 01:41:12 PM
I first read the headline as beerpocalypse/beermageddon and I was horrified at the thought the world's beer supply somehow being in danger.
 
2013-07-17 02:16:30 PM
Rebuilding colonies is a routine part of modern beekeeping. The most common method involves splitting healthy colonies into multiple hives.
 1.bp.blogspot.com

I had one Oreo, but now I have two!
 
2013-07-17 02:20:36 PM
The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.
 
2013-07-17 02:26:24 PM

LesserEvil: buckler: But what about...BEENADO?

That is so last week.

It's all about the Ghost Bee now....

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That needs the "I love cocaine" treatment.
 
2013-07-17 02:34:54 PM
Beads?
 
2013-07-17 02:36:37 PM

jopy666: The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.


You sound like a person who is opposed to non-stick cookware.
 
2013-07-17 02:41:18 PM

jopy666: The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.


Citation.

Oh wait, you have none that haven't been thoroughly torn apart.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-17 03:05:21 PM
i272.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-17 03:19:36 PM

jopy666: The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.


I pronounce your name like this - "Joy Pie Triple 6"
 
2013-07-17 03:30:47 PM

meat0918: jopy666: The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.

Citation.

Oh wait, you have none that haven't been thoroughly torn apart.

[i.qkme.me image 384x288]


I think I love you. I need to use that graphic more often.
 
2013-07-17 03:33:01 PM
An environmental report written by an economist.  Never trust an economist.  A master of science in economics?  What an oxymoron.  Economists are directly behind Lawyers in the line to hell.
 
2013-07-17 03:42:44 PM

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2013-07-17 03:44:03 PM
ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT THREADJACK

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2013-07-17 04:02:16 PM
"We always take the economic side. Or invent one."

                                          -PERC
 
2013-07-17 04:20:38 PM

Justice By Zig: So we're not losing bee populations, because beekeepers can just buy more bees?

That was an awfully long article for an awfully silly premise.

Fark yo bees, n*gga, buy new ones!


I hadn't known there was a queen bee breeding industry, but it makes sense; domesticated bees are domesticated, so humanity controls their population levels. Likewise, cow populations are determined by supply and demand rather than ecology.

robbiex0r: And this article mentions nothing of wild bees....It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?


I'd add "what about monoculture" to that concern... sure, we can no doubt crank out queen bees by the bucketload, who then turn around and crank out workers by the farkton, but what happens if we breed them into a corner?
 
2013-07-17 04:37:46 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: I'd add "what about monoculture" to that concern... sure, we can no doubt crank out queen bees by the bucketload, who then turn around and crank out workers by the farkton, but what happens if we breed them into a corner?


Nobody puts baby bees into a corner.
 
2013-07-17 04:50:21 PM

Cincinnati Kid: To The Escape Zeppelin!: about $55 for 12,000 worker bees"About $55 for 12,000 worker bees"

I know what I'm giving people for Christmas this year.
about $55 for 12,000 worker bees

When I was a kid, my dad raised bees. He would occasionally order replacements like this. They came in boxes UPS. Angry buzzing boxes. The UPS driver did not like my dad.


Angry Buzzing Boxes

Sounds like a girl band from the 90's
 
2013-07-17 04:52:09 PM

Rufus_T_Firefly: Noteworthy: PERC is funded by charter members of the John Birch Society, and Fred Koch.

Yay, Libertarian environmentalists!


Also, the author "holds a M.S. in Applied Economics from Montana State University and degrees in economics and environmental science from Berry College."

Rather hear it from a scientist.
 
2013-07-17 05:14:30 PM
buying packaged bees (about $55 for 12,000 worker bees and a fertilized queen)

Wow, prices sure have come down.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-17 05:33:06 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: Rufus_T_Firefly: Noteworthy: PERC is funded by charter members of the John Birch Society, and Fred Koch.

Yay, Libertarian environmentalists!

Also, the author "holds a M.S. in Applied Economics from Montana State University and degrees in economics and environmental science from Berry College."

Rather hear it from a scientist.


Is it surprising when the solution was "Buy more bees!"
 
2013-07-17 09:05:58 PM

neversubmit: PERC is one of the pioneers of "the approach known as free market environmentalism

the guts of a force of roughly a dozen or so foundations that, since the 1960s, have coordinated their efforts toward forging national policy favorable to deregulation of industry and to privatization. According to Mediatransparency's records, PERC received $4,175,875 from all funding sources combined from 1985 to 2002.

Let the market tell you how to feel.


As someone who once attended their Student Seminar on Free Market Environmentalism, let me tell you that they are not environmentalists.  I don't think they understand anything more about the environment than that it has commodities.  I would take anything they say about the environment with a grain of salt...no, wait, I just wouldn't believe it, period.
 
2013-07-17 09:32:35 PM

robbiex0r: It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?


We don't have particularly good data about the rest. The last I heard suggests the CCD was present in wild populations, but there was no good estimate for the comparative impact -- they could be doing fine, or suffering a much worse fate. It's more than a little difficult to study a large sample of wild colonies for obvious reasons.

A related question might be "are we okay with only having domestic bees?" People seem okay having only domestic cows; it's conceivable that people would rather only have domestic bees than fix whatever keeps them from surviving in the wild.
 
2013-07-17 09:38:30 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: I'd add "what about monoculture" to that concern... sure, we can no doubt crank out queen bees by the bucketload, who then turn around and crank out workers by the farkton, but what happens if we breed them into a corner?


Bees are pretty clone-tastic all by themselves -- unfertilized eggs develop into normal, live bees. Bees undertake some sexual reproduction (in that the lone queen does mate with some of the males), but "inbreeding" isn't a big concern for bees.
 
2013-07-17 11:04:40 PM

nytmare: buying packaged bees (about $55 for 12,000 worker bees and a fertilized queen)

Wow, prices sure have come down.


hahahahahahaha

where should I send the bill for the replacement keyboard?
 
2013-07-18 01:46:55 AM

jopy666: The reason for the CCD with bees has already been determined, its specifically Americans use of pesticides and GMO's. The thing they are trying to hide from you is that it is not just killing off the bees, its also killing humans at an alarming rate. GMO's have been linked to cancer, ill health, and mutation and starvation and if we dont ban their use, our numbers will start to decline at an alarming rate as well. How many millions of lives have to be destroyed by GMO's and Monsanto before we ban their use? Why is no one blinking at a million bees dieing when its clear that millions of people are dieing as well? Monsanto is a criminal organization and its owners and workers should be jailed for murder and attempted wreckless extinction and crimes against humanity.
GMO's are the greatest threat to humanity ever created and the bees are merely the canary in the mine telling us that we are all going to die if we allow them to continue. Scientists should be ashamed of themselves and GMO's are the reason we shouldnt allow this type of research to continue to kill us all. Mother earth needs us and science is trying to murder her and us as well.


Shhhhhh! You'll frighten the Guinea pigs!
 
2013-07-18 03:21:18 AM

r1niceboy: Any organization that has 'research center' in its title you know has to be a creation by a special interest group. A group called the 'Environmental Fluid Dynamics Research Organization' would be lobbying secretly to have a waste treatment plant built next to a kindergarten.


And you know Monsanto has absolutely nothing to do with this helpful article. If they did, you'd see PRESENTED BY MONSANTO right at the beginning since they want everyone to know all about the wonderful things they do that never hurt anyone.
 
2013-07-18 04:09:23 AM

dehehn: robbiex0r: "What was once identified as a problem, we reacted to and have managed to control, to an extent. There was never a problem!"

self-preventing prophecy.

And this article mentions nothing of wild bees....It's great that beekeepers can manage their own populations, but what about the rest?

Hmm...good point.  Our main concern as always is our own bees and ones used for crop pollination.  Is there a percentage of wild bees that pollinate our crops or is that a domesticated operation?


The Internet once told me that wild honeybees no longer exist in the US. I find that difficult to beelieve, though, as most lawns around here are full of clover, hay fields abound, there are large patches of native tall grasses strewn about, and they're all FULL OF BEES.
 
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