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2013-07-17 11:54:04 AM  
They suggest further work be done to model language spread with computer simulations and to compare the structural properties of the African (where humans interbred with Neanderthals) and non-African languages (where humans may have bred with Denisovans).

This seems highly unlikely, since all non-Africans have Neanderthal ancestry (or common origin, depending on which theory you believe) and sub-Saharan Africans...don't.
 
2013-07-17 12:05:16 PM  
"It will never end, will it?"

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"Let it go Christopher, let it go."
 
2013-07-17 12:21:00 PM  
Yeah, but they mostly just talked about sports.
 
2013-07-17 12:24:33 PM  
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2013-07-17 12:52:58 PM  

Sybarite: Yeah, but they mostly just talked about sports.


Not much has changed.
 
2013-07-17 12:53:32 PM  
YOLO
 
2013-07-17 12:53:38 PM  
Of course. It was created to communicate about the Thagomizer.
 
2013-07-17 12:55:49 PM  
images.dailytech.com

Anyone else notice that  FRENCH has it's own human tree group?  WTF French?
 
2013-07-17 12:59:17 PM  
Gary Larson is not available for comment? News to me.
 
2013-07-17 01:01:52 PM  

Stone Meadow: Gary Larson is not available for comment? News to me.


...Gary?
 
2013-07-17 01:05:46 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Stone Meadow: Gary Larson is not available for comment? News to me.

...Gary?


Not me...sorry. But afaik he has not assumed room temperature, and therefore is at least theoretically available for comment.
 
2013-07-17 01:14:57 PM  

NostroZ: Anyone else notice that  FRENCH has it's own human tree group?  WTF French?


Pretty sure those are just race place holders, Yoruba representing all members of subsaharan ethnicity, Karitiana representing South American, French representing northern European, etc.  Might be wrong though.
 
2013-07-17 01:15:22 PM  

NostroZ: [images.dailytech.com image 500x402]

Anyone else notice that  FRENCH has it's own human tree group?  WTF French?


Anyone who has ever hung from a strap on a French bus in Lyon in August wouldn't ask this.
 
2013-07-17 01:16:08 PM  
images.dailytech.com

"Draw me like one of your French girls".

OK seriously, at this point we're still surprised that Neanderthals weren't that different from us?  We've known for a while that they had an at least somewhat complex life with a lot of things we associate with being human.
 
2013-07-17 01:16:09 PM  
Did we forget this thread already?
 
2013-07-17 01:16:41 PM  

Hollie Maea: NostroZ: Anyone else notice that  FRENCH has it's own human tree group?  WTF French?

Pretty sure those are just race place holders, Yoruba representing all members of subsaharan ethnicity, Karitiana representing South American, French representing northern European, etc.  Might be wrong though.


Probably these are the representatives of different races that were studied in genetic tests.  Presumably Germans would be very close to the French.
 
2013-07-17 01:24:33 PM  
On mobile and I usually can't RTFA, but unless they find a hyoid bone to study and can verify attachment sites I won't accept the hypothesis of a verbal Neanderthal. It's one of those things you can't confirm without positive fossil evidence. The physical ability for speech as we know it is limited by how the hyoid bone attaches and the hyoid is rarely found with even modern skeletons because of it's size and non-articulation with other bones.
 
2013-07-17 01:25:40 PM  
Denisovians? Two bones and a tooth or two? Hmmmm....
 
2013-07-17 01:27:58 PM  
BolloxReader

IIRC, they found such a hyoid in...Israel? Lebanon? somewhere like that...

But that could have been mostly speculation as to placement/attachment/etc.
 
2013-07-17 01:32:13 PM  
images.dailytech.com

Hi. I'm Gary. I like French poetry, sunflowers, and long walks on the beach.......
 
2013-07-17 01:33:15 PM  
i bet they still couldn't hear the women yell at them.
 
2013-07-17 01:35:05 PM  
Neanderthals are the remains of a society that was more advanced then ours that was destroyed after the last  Yellowstone Super Volcano erruption.

As the surviors struggled to live on, their advanced society did not prepare them for the hardship.  As their numbers died out over 100,000s of years.. a new human was rising up but unable to understand the now primative Neanderthal  and wiped the last remaining ones out.
 
2013-07-17 01:37:39 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: destroyed after the last  Yellowstone Super Volcano erruption.


My understanding is that it was Toba that dealt the biggest blow to Neanderthal.
 
2013-07-17 01:39:17 PM  
grunting is a form of communication right?  I would venture to guess that multiple grunts can be interpreted as a language.  Why is this so shocking?

/knows her prehistoric stuff
//read Clan of the Cave Bear
 
2013-07-17 01:41:13 PM  
RaiderFanMikeP

...a new human was rising up but unable to understand the now primative Neanderthal and wiped the last remaining ones out subsumed their genome.

/depending on which theory you believe
 
2013-07-17 01:43:19 PM  

Hollie Maea: Toba


that was only 69,000 to 77,000 years ago..   using Yellowstone of 640,000 years ago.. allows for all traces of the civiliation to be lost as well as time for the Neanderthal  to devolve into a primative society which no doubt Toba helped push to dwindle their numbers
 
2013-07-17 01:58:01 PM  

BolloxReader: On mobile and I usually can't RTFA, but unless they find a hyoid bone to study and can verify attachment sites I won't accept the hypothesis of a verbal Neanderthal. It's one of those things you can't confirm without positive fossil evidence. The physical ability for speech as we know it is limited by how the hyoid bone attaches and the hyoid is rarely found with even modern skeletons because of it's size and non-articulation with other bones.


TFA says their DNA is so close to modern humans that there is no reason to suspect Neanderthals and Denisovans could not have spoken.
 
2013-07-17 02:00:54 PM  

russlar: Did we forget this thread already?


THAG LOVE THAT THREAD!
 
2013-07-17 02:03:52 PM  
 
2013-07-17 02:06:08 PM  

Dreyelle: grunting is a form of communication right?  I would venture to guess that multiple grunts can be interpreted as a language.  Why is this so shocking?


"Languages" have grammatical structural. It's a much higher bar to reach than just "communication through vocalizing". Though they can be quite complex, we don't refer to bird calls or prairie-dog warnings as language.
 
2013-07-17 02:07:34 PM  

Skyrmion: "Languages" have grammatical structural

structure.

I fail grammatical structural.
 
2013-07-17 02:23:27 PM  
The problem is that the speech centers of the brain are in the very area tthat the sloping skull cuts off,. Where were their speech center? The appendix?
 
2013-07-17 02:39:52 PM  

Dreyelle: grunting is a form of communication right?  I would venture to guess that multiple grunts can be interpreted as a language.  Why is this so shocking?


i have the weirdest boner right now. Thanks!
 
2013-07-17 02:45:58 PM  
One of my favorites:
www.mentalfloss.com
 
2013-07-17 03:25:32 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: One of my favorites:


Thagomizer is now the accepted term for that part of a stegosaurus.
 
2013-07-17 03:52:22 PM  
 
2013-07-17 04:24:37 PM  

Russ1642: Psycoholic_Slag: One of my favorites:

Thagomizer is now the accepted term for that part of a stegosaurus.


I know.  That is so freaking awesome.
 
2013-07-17 04:27:36 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Russ1642: Psycoholic_Slag: One of my favorites:

Thagomizer is now the accepted term for that part of a stegosaurus.

I know.  That is so freaking awesome.


I don't think there was a scientist alive in the 80s and 90s that didn't worship Gary Larson.
 
2013-07-17 04:35:06 PM  
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2013-07-17 04:48:35 PM  

Russ1642: Psycoholic_Slag: One of my favorites:

Thagomizer is now the accepted term for that part of a stegosaurus.




Bug too.
wharble.com
 
2013-07-17 04:52:35 PM  

Stone Meadow: BolloxReader: On mobile and I usually can't RTFA, but unless they find a hyoid bone to study and can verify attachment sites I won't accept the hypothesis of a verbal Neanderthal. It's one of those things you can't confirm without positive fossil evidence. The physical ability for speech as we know it is limited by how the hyoid bone attaches and the hyoid is rarely found with even modern skeletons because of it's size and non-articulation with other bones.

TFA says their DNA is so close to modern humans that there is no reason to suspect Neanderthals and Denisovans could not have spoken.


Well, if they had a mogic cap, I'm sure it's possible.
 
2013-07-17 05:03:13 PM  

bikkurikun: You like mammoth?


Love this!
 
2013-07-17 05:06:15 PM  

Hollie Maea: Psycoholic_Slag: Russ1642: Psycoholic_Slag: One of my favorites:

Thagomizer is now the accepted term for that part of a stegosaurus.

I know.  That is so freaking awesome.

I don't think there was a scientist alive in the 80s and 90s that didn't worship Gary Larson.


home.kpn.nl
 
2013-07-17 05:20:18 PM  

Stone Meadow: and therefore is at least theoretically available for comment


Great example of the difference between "theory" and "practice".
 
2013-07-17 05:27:56 PM  
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2013-07-17 06:44:51 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Stone Meadow: and therefore is at least theoretically available for comment

Great example of the difference between "theory" and "practice".


In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice.  In practice, there is.
 
2013-07-17 06:57:18 PM  

NostroZ: Anyone else notice that FRENCH has it's own human tree group? WTF French?


Ever notice the Olympic ceremonies are in French, even if the host country never had anything to do with France? WTF French? Just what we need in FARKing China, is the Olympic fencing medal ceremony in French.
 
2013-07-17 11:11:03 PM  

NostroZ: [images.dailytech.com image 500x402]

Anyone else notice that  FRENCH has it's own human tree group?  WTF French?


Maybe it was written by a french scientist

//somethings are stereotypes for a reason..
 
2013-07-18 12:04:50 AM  

red5ish: [img13.imageshack.us image 620x349]


ME NOT DEAD! ME NOT GET ON THE CART!
 
2013-07-18 01:08:25 AM  
Car!
 
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