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2013-07-17 11:31:08 AM
Rumack: Captain, how soon can you land?
Captain Oveur: I can't tell.
Rumack: You can tell me. I'm a doctor.
Captain Oveur: No. I mean I'm just not sure.
Rumack: Well, can't you take a guess?
Captain Oveur: Well, not for another two hours.
Rumack: You can't take a guess for another two hours?
 
2013-07-17 12:26:52 PM
Also make sure the weather will not start getting rough before starteing any three hour island tours.
 
2013-07-17 12:26:58 PM
A three hour flight. A three hour flight.
 
2013-07-17 12:27:30 PM
That's rule #1.  The FAA will not be pleased.
 
2013-07-17 12:27:49 PM
Don't worry, the Professor will fix it and they'll eventually be able to get back home.
 
2013-07-17 12:28:18 PM
Meh... Just stick it in neutral and coast for a while.
 
2013-07-17 12:29:33 PM
Hey, you know what they say: "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em..."
 
2013-07-17 12:32:18 PM
Airplanes always have just enough fuel to make it to the crash site.
 
2013-07-17 12:36:54 PM
Wi Tu Lo.
 
2013-07-17 12:37:00 PM
If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.
 
2013-07-17 12:39:19 PM
He landed on an unlit highway at night. Impressive.
 
2013-07-17 12:40:36 PM
i272.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-17 12:41:36 PM

genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.


I'll bet he looked at the list. However, actually 'checking' the checklist items is just a pain in the ass
 
2013-07-17 12:42:42 PM
"E" stands for "Eh....I got enough"

The pilots
Captian Wi No Go
Whi So Slo
Tink Run Dri
Big Badda Boom (He's Italian)
 
2013-07-17 12:43:21 PM

genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.


If there were only some kind of indicator to show you how much gas you had.
OK, they are notoriously wrong.  If only there were some way you could LOOK IN THE TANK to see how much fuel you had.

/yes, kiddies, you're supposed to look to see that you really really do have gas in the tanks.
 
2013-07-17 12:44:00 PM

Russ1642: genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.

I'll bet he looked at the list. However, actually 'checking' the checklist items is just a pain in the ass



Or it will be, eventually.
 
2013-07-17 12:45:39 PM

Galloping Galoshes: genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.

If there were only some kind of indicator to show you how much gas you had.
OK, they are notoriously wrong.  If only there were some way you could LOOK IN THE TANK to see how much fuel you had.

/yes, kiddies, you're supposed to look to see that you really really do have gas in the tanks.


Small planes have fuel tank dip sticks.
 
2013-07-17 12:46:28 PM
Maybe you should use a more practical plane rather than trying to cultivate that "rugged sky captain of yesteryear" persona
 
2013-07-17 12:48:39 PM
Actually, always have more than three hours worth of fuel when taking a three-hour flight.

/just sayin'
 
2013-07-17 12:49:29 PM

D135: Maybe you should use a more practical plane rather than trying to cultivate that "rugged sky captain of yesteryear" persona


That is a perfectly practical plane.  With a dunderhead of a pilot.

You may be referring to large commercial aircraft.  Of course, this could never happen to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC143
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 12:50:12 PM
Small planes need horns to get traffic out of the way while they land.
 
2013-07-17 12:51:49 PM
The pilot probably spent too long watching Joe Pesci play golf...
 
2013-07-17 12:54:02 PM

Galloping Galoshes: D135: Maybe you should use a more practical plane rather than trying to cultivate that "rugged sky captain of yesteryear" persona

That is a perfectly practical plane.  With a dunderhead of a pilot.

You may be referring to large commercial aircraft.  Of course, this could never happen to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC143
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52


The ol' Gimli Glider. Mixed up kg and L of fuel. Hilarity ensued.
 
2013-07-17 12:54:48 PM
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This thing runs out of fuel everytime they take it for a flight, and THEY always manage to get it back to the airport.

/well almost always
 
2013-07-17 12:57:43 PM

MythDragon: This thing runs out of fuel everytime they take it for a flight, and THEY always manage to get it back to the airport.

/well almost always


3/5 ain't bad
 
2013-07-17 12:58:48 PM

Galloping Galoshes: D135: Maybe you should use a more practical plane rather than trying to cultivate that "rugged sky captain of yesteryear" persona

That is a perfectly practical plane.  With a dunderhead of a pilot.

You may be referring to large commercial aircraft.  Of course, this could never happen to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC143
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52


Add:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

to that list.  (the Canadians really like their wide body gliders)
 
2013-07-17 01:00:08 PM
Many years ago I got a private pilot's license.  I did my training in a Cessna 152, and I was curious about accidents in the aircraft.  The NTSB keeps a searchable database of these.  There are a *ton* of 152 crashes.  In 95% of them, there were two sentences, which read roughly

"The fuel tanks were checked and the aircraft had 1.5 gallons of fuel onboard. Unusable fuel in a Cessna 152 is 1.5 gallons"
 
2013-07-17 01:05:33 PM
"I just didn't know what it was. I still couldn't tell. I could see these lights flashing and he was right up on my bumper," he said. "Then I began to pull away, so I turned, went back and realized it was a plane that had landed right behind me!"

Reminds me of 405 - The Movie (youtube, SFW)
 
2013-07-17 01:07:37 PM

GBB: Small planes need horns to get traffic out of the way while they land.


In a Cub, you can open the door and yell at them to get out of the way.

Glockenspiel Hero: Many years ago I got a private pilot's license.  I did my training in a Cessna 152, and I was curious about accidents in the aircraft.  The NTSB keeps a searchable database of these.  There are a *ton* of 152 crashes.  In 95% of them, there were two sentences, which read roughly

"The fuel tanks were checked and the aircraft had 1.5 gallons of fuel onboard. Unusable fuel in a Cessna 152 is 1.5 gallons"


An exaggeration, but there are a fair number.  Fuel exhaustion is up there on causes.  As usual it's the loose nut behind the wheel (or stick).
 
2013-07-17 01:12:37 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: "The fuel tanks were checked and the aircraft had 1.5 gallons of fuel onboard. Unusable fuel in a Cessna 152 is 1.5 gallons"


When the fan stops turning, it's the loudest silence you'll ever hear.
 
2013-07-17 01:19:29 PM
Rule of thirds: A third to get there. A third to get back and a third just in case.
 
2013-07-17 01:24:30 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Glockenspiel Hero: "The fuel tanks were checked and the aircraft had 1.5 gallons of fuel onboard. Unusable fuel in a Cessna 152 is 1.5 gallons"

When the fan stops turning, it's the loudest silence you'll ever hear.


The prop is only there to cool off the pilot. When it stops, you can watch him start sweating.
 
2013-07-17 01:26:25 PM

Russ1642: Galloping Galoshes: genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.

If there were only some kind of indicator to show you how much gas you had.
OK, they are notoriously wrong.  If only there were some way you could LOOK IN THE TANK to see how much fuel you had.

/yes, kiddies, you're supposed to look to see that you really really do have gas in the tanks.

SOMESmall planes have fuel tank dip sticks.


Most don't.
 
2013-07-17 01:33:29 PM

fatbear: Russ1642: Galloping Galoshes: genner: If only there were some kind of check list to look at preflight.

If there were only some kind of indicator to show you how much gas you had.
OK, they are notoriously wrong.  If only there were some way you could LOOK IN THE TANK to see how much fuel you had.

/yes, kiddies, you're supposed to look to see that you really really do have gas in the tanks.

SOMESmall planes have fuel tank dip sticks.

Most don't.


That's why most pilots have eyeballs, and fingers for when you can't get up high enough to see in.  Not to mention that on the particular plane there's a tab inside the tank that you can look at and tell how much gas you have.  And if you go at night you better have a bunch of flashlights.  You ALWAYS check this because there's NO excuse at all for fuel exhaustion.  Except that you're an idiot.
At least this guy didn't bend the plane.
 
2013-07-17 01:44:07 PM

Galloping Galoshes:  particular plane there's a tab inside the tank that you can look at and tell how much gas you have.


Well, not exactly. For that plane, it's 34-36 gal useable to the tabs (depending on model & year), which is more than 3 hours fuel for all models & years. So if he checked the tanks (which he may or may not have done) all he'd be able to tell is that the fuel was below the tabs - when he was expecting it to be below the tabs.

So it's possible that it's a club plane and someone took it out for a 1 hr joyride and didn't log it. Visual inspection would show fuel below the tabs, exactly where you expect it to be. In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

The tank tabs aren't magic.
 
2013-07-17 01:52:24 PM
That was John Denver's mistake, too.
 
2013-07-17 01:57:19 PM

fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.


I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.
 
2013-07-17 01:58:42 PM

WeenerGord: That was John Denver's mistake, too.


Position of the fuel tank switch was a contributing factor.  IIRC, it was behind his left shoulder.  Homebuilt, non-standard.  Long EZ, I believe.
 
2013-07-17 02:49:54 PM

Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.


Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane.  Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.
 
2013-07-17 02:51:03 PM

Galloping Galoshes: WeenerGord: That was John Denver's mistake, too.

Position of the fuel tank switch was a contributing factor.  IIRC, it was behind his left shoulder.  Homebuilt, non-standard.  Long EZ, I believe.


Yep. He crashed with fuel on board.

re: Cherokee out of fuel.
FTFA: "Klein said he was flying home from a trip to West Virginia "

That rules out a club plane/logging error.  I bet the hour of departure (9pm, after the FBO closed?) had something to do with it.
 
2013-07-17 02:57:19 PM

MythDragon: "E" stands for "Eh....I got enough"

The pilots
Captian Wi No Go
Whi So Slo
Tink Run Dri
Big Badda Boom (He's Italian)


This pilot was
Gais To Lo
 
2013-07-17 02:59:39 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.

Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane.  Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.


Hmmm...carry enough gas, or carry an awl...hmmm...

Your idea is both lighter and cheaper. What's not to like?
 
2013-07-17 03:12:25 PM

fatbear: I bet the hour of departure (9pm, after the FBO closed?) had something to do with it.


I'm sure you're right, but still no excuse.
 
2013-07-17 03:13:54 PM

fatbear: Inflatable Rhetoric: Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.

Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane.  Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.

Hmmm...carry enough gas, or carry an awl...hmmm...

Your idea is both lighter and cheaper. What's not to like?


"So, sir, your exhaustive preflight didn't turn up a continuous stream of light blue avgas pouring from your wing, or the expanding puddle on the ground?"
 
2013-07-17 03:14:53 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane. Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.


assets.starz.com

And the FAA will be all like "What, you thought you needed a challange?"
 
2013-07-17 03:31:21 PM
www.capecodtoday.com

... it was a little short of the runway.
 
2013-07-17 03:39:12 PM
LOL. I took a taste-the-magic test flight in a 172 (I think) last year. One of the major things the babysitter pilot did was walk me through the preflight and stress, repeatedly, the importance of fuel for continued trouble-free flying.
 
2013-07-17 04:07:15 PM

fatbear: Inflatable Rhetoric: Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.

Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane.  Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.

Hmmm...carry enough gas, or carry an awl...hmmm...

Your idea is both lighter and cheaper. What's not to like?


It's not an original idea.  One of the pilots at Ft. Rucker always did that.  And, he told everyone about it, showed it around.  Not too clever.
 
2013-07-17 04:12:22 PM

Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: Inflatable Rhetoric: Galloping Galoshes: fatbear: In that case, would the pilot be negligent? Yes. An idiot? I think that would be stretching it.

I know, but I didn't want to overawe the non-pilots.  He's an idiot for leaving the ground without enough fuel for the flight, and I expect some enforcement action from th FAA.  If he didn't look, what was he relying on for his fuel state?  The guages?  Fuel not in the tank is one of those three least useful things in aviation (the others being altitude above you and runway behind you).  If he did look, and he didn't fill it to the tabs, he's at fault.  If someone took it up without logging it, the Hobbes meter reading wouldn't match the log.  Usually it's someone bringing it back in and not refueling it, at my club.

No, they're not magic, but filling to them would have kept the fan turning long enough for him to get to his destination.

Always carry an awl, or something pointy like that, in the plane.  Then you can show the FAA the leak that was the cause of it.

Hmmm...carry enough gas, or carry an awl...hmmm...

Your idea is both lighter and cheaper. What's not to like?

"So, sir, your exhaustive preflight didn't turn up a continuous stream of light blue avgas pouring from your wing, or the expanding puddle on the ground?"


I never ran out of fuel.  I ran low a few times, but never out.  Was 18 minutes into the 20 minute Low Fuel warning once.
 
2013-07-17 04:22:55 PM
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R.I.P. John Denver
"I wish I hadn't built this plane on my own"

 
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