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(BBC)   Cuba clears up this whole North Korean weapons ship mystery. They were just sending some old obsolete Soviet-era weaponry off to Kim Jong Un for repairs with all that great brown sugar the Caribbean is known for. Who could have a problem with that?   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 36
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2013-07-17 08:48:36 AM  
I'm not really sure what good NK thinks those weapons will do, but apparently Cuba has decided they don't need them anymore.

Is it because Cuba realizes they'd be useless against a US attack or that the US just isn't going to attack?
 
2013-07-17 08:54:08 AM  
I wonder who lost the money in this exchange,  do you think that NK paid for the missiles up front and is now out the money,  or were they going to pay on receipt, thus screwing Cuba?
 
2013-07-17 08:54:15 AM  
More likely that Cuba needs storage space for shiny new Russian weapons (new, as in 70's era to replace their 60's era stuff), so they cooked up a deal with Best Korea to unload their old crap.
 
2013-07-17 08:54:52 AM  
brown sugar thread?
 
2013-07-17 08:56:08 AM  
kaynou.files.wordpress.com

Damn you The Rolling Stones.
 
2013-07-17 08:56:16 AM  

TommyJReed: I wonder who lost the money in this exchange,  do you think that NK paid for the missiles up front and is now out the money,  or were they going to pay on receipt, thus screwing Cuba?


I imagine Kim Jong Un just used his PayPal account when Cuba put this stuff up on ebay.
 
2013-07-17 08:59:51 AM  

T-Servo: TommyJReed: I wonder who lost the money in this exchange,  do you think that NK paid for the missiles up front and is now out the money,  or were they going to pay on receipt, thus screwing Cuba?

I imagine Kim Jong Un just used his PayPal account when Cuba put this stuff up on ebay.


Well PayPal would indefinitely hold the money,  time to buy some paypal stock?
 
2013-07-17 09:06:34 AM  
Damned terrorists should be shot.  And by terrorists I mean those who seized the ship!
 
2013-07-17 09:08:46 AM  

indarwinsshadow: [kaynou.files.wordpress.com image 754x748]

Damn you The Rolling Stones.


Have the Rolling Stones killed
 
2013-07-17 09:13:14 AM  

TommyJReed: I wonder who lost the money in this exchange,  do you think that NK paid for the missiles up front and is now out the money,  or were they going to pay on receipt, thus screwing Cuba?


Knowing what I know about both their economies (which admittedly is Jack shiat), I would be shocked if either of them had any money to begin with.  Some sort of barter agreement would be more plausible.
 
2013-07-17 09:17:09 AM  
Because when I think "competent repair job on a weapons system," North Korea immediately springs to mind.
 
2013-07-17 09:34:15 AM  

indarwinsshadow: [kaynou.files.wordpress.com image 754x748]

Damn you The Rolling Stones.


I have always liked this photograph. It looks like they propped a very heroin wasted Keith Richards against the wall and waited until his eyes opened long enough to shoot the picture. Ahh the sixties....
 
2013-07-17 09:42:50 AM  
i2.cdnds.net

"Aw jeez.... not this shiat again....."
 
2013-07-17 09:52:12 AM  

gfid: Is it because Cuba realizes they'd be useless against a US attack or that the US just isn't going to attack?


Yes.

/Kosh
 
2013-07-17 10:59:52 AM  

tennessee.hillbilly: TommyJReed: I wonder who lost the money in this exchange,  do you think that NK paid for the missiles up front and is now out the money,  or were they going to pay on receipt, thus screwing Cuba?

Knowing what I know about both their economies (which admittedly is Jack shiat), I would be shocked if either of them had any money to begin with.  Some sort of barter agreement would be more plausible.


I'm having a hard time imagining what North Korea could offer.

Cuba has no desire for WMD, and North Korea doesn't have many natural resources.

Regardless, they should scuttle the entire boat and its cargo.
 
2013-07-17 11:36:57 AM  
"I'm taking it up to my workshop, my dear. I'll fix it up there, then I'll bring it back here."
 
2013-07-17 11:43:25 AM  

ethernet76: Regardless, they should scuttle the entire boat and its cargo.


Now now, Brown sugar is sweet and I'm sure some museum would love to have some of those missiles or (mig21's if they are really there)  Actually the whole "Old military repair for sugar" barter makes all kind of sense to them.  Neither of them have currency and Cuba can't get replacement parts from anyone close.  NK has a higher chance of either still having them in storage or being able to get some from China (their next door neighbor) or Russia (like an outlet store down the street).  Plus, NK still has people that know how all that crap works.
The most crazy part of this whole thing is the "Other News":  People still use non-containerized ships!
 
2013-07-17 11:48:14 AM  

MonoChango: Plus, NK still has people that know how all that crap works.


That's what I was thinking. NK may not be very good at much, but they probably are world leaders in fixing broken-down old crap that decent countries threw away decades ago. It's like giving a crackhead a rusty old bicycle.
 
2013-07-17 12:03:26 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: brown sugar thread?


Any excuse to show off Cuban hotties is a good one.

img2u.info
 
2013-07-17 12:15:17 PM  

MonoChango: ethernet76: Regardless, they should scuttle the entire boat and its cargo.

Now now, Brown sugar is sweet and I'm sure some museum would love to have some of those missiles or (mig21's if they are really there)  Actually the whole "Old military repair for sugar" barter makes all kind of sense to them.  Neither of them have currency and Cuba can't get replacement parts from anyone close.  NK has a higher chance of either still having them in storage or being able to get some from China (their next door neighbor) or Russia (like an outlet store down the street).  Plus, NK still has people that know how all that crap works.
The most crazy part of this whole thing is the "Other News":  People still use non-containerized ships!


It'd be nice to seize the stuff and give it away, but that's too close to piracy for me.

Send a clear message that carrying illegal arms means losing the boat. It isn't enough to target banned item. The UN should target the transportation method also.

I would anchor is out at sea and put a tiny hole in the hull. Set up a web cam and put it on the net. I'd watch the shiat out of a freighter slowly sinking.
 
2013-07-17 12:27:11 PM  
Tell the crew "You and your ship are free to go. But just so you know, an accidental airstrike just might happen to this ship and it might accidentally be sunk. Reparations might be made to the families of this crew - might - but will be meager and long delayed. You will most likely be dead and will never be found, as this accidental airstrike might take place in the remotest possible part of the Pacific Ocean and this ship won't be recovered.

Feel free to go whenever you wish. We are no longer detaining you."

And then let them go. Really.
 
2013-07-17 12:57:45 PM  
I want to see what that ship looks like after a storm or just some heavy seas when those paper bags disintegrate and the hold is awash in solidified sugar. It would have taken a month to dig the missiles out.
 
2013-07-17 01:00:30 PM  

LesserEvil: Plant Rights Activist: brown sugar thread?

Any excuse to show off Cuban hotties is a good one.

[img2u.info image 500x628]


Uh...Quien es?
 
2013-07-17 01:09:47 PM  
The captain tried to kill himself when the Panamanian authorities boarded.
 
2013-07-17 01:27:45 PM  

HeFixesTheCable: Uh...Quien es?


La chica gorda.
 
2013-07-17 01:38:41 PM  

LesserEvil: Plant Rights Activist: brown sugar thread?

Any excuse to show off Cuban hotties is a good one.

[img2u.info image 500x628]


You know, it's probably a good thing you can't see what I'm doing right now.

//who is she?
 
2013-07-17 01:49:17 PM  

indarwinsshadow: LesserEvil: Plant Rights Activist: brown sugar thread?

Any excuse to show off Cuban hotties is a good one.

[img2u.info image 500x628]

You know, it's probably a good thing you can't see what I'm doing right now.

//who is she?


Some Cuban born singer. Just doing my part with GIS.
 
2013-07-17 02:09:59 PM  
Sending them for "repair"?
To North Korea?

Something's not right with that story.  I wasn't aware that the Norks had a reputation as the fix-it shop of the third world.  Now the Cubans...anyone who can keep a fleet of '53 Chevys running for 60 years...*that's* where I'd be sending my obsolete aircraft and surface-to-air radar systems for repair.
 
2013-07-17 02:32:47 PM  

ka1axy: Something's not right with that story. I wasn't aware that the Norks had a reputation as the fix-it shop of the third world. Now the Cubans...anyone who can keep a fleet of '53 Chevys running for 60 years...*that's* where I'd be sending my obsolete aircraft and surface-to-air radar systems for repair


It's a BS cover story for sure. And it is time to take that ship apart down to the frames to see if what the Cubans listed is really all that's there.
 
2013-07-17 04:25:58 PM  

gfid: I'm not really sure what good NK thinks those weapons will do, but apparently Cuba has decided they don't need them anymore.

Is it because Cuba realizes they'd be useless against a US attack or that the US just isn't going to attack?


But what the fark would North Korea want them for? I thought that the one thing they definetly have piles of, is old Soviet Union stuff.

Maybe they were going to repair it, and given their current problems, think that sugar, or any food stuff, is an exellent form of payment.
 
2013-07-17 04:31:44 PM  

CheatCommando: ka1axy: Something's not right with that story. I wasn't aware that the Norks had a reputation as the fix-it shop of the third world. Now the Cubans...anyone who can keep a fleet of '53 Chevys running for 60 years...*that's* where I'd be sending my obsolete aircraft and surface-to-air radar systems for repair

It's a BS cover story for sure. And it is time to take that ship apart down to the frames to see if what the Cubans listed is really all that's there.


Are you saying the MIG21 covered in sugar was a decoy?

What precisely would Cuba have to offer North Korea that's on the banned list?
 
2013-07-17 05:23:07 PM  

spawn73: CheatCommando: ka1axy: Something's not right with that story. I wasn't aware that the Norks had a reputation as the fix-it shop of the third world. Now the Cubans...anyone who can keep a fleet of '53 Chevys running for 60 years...*that's* where I'd be sending my obsolete aircraft and surface-to-air radar systems for repair

It's a BS cover story for sure. And it is time to take that ship apart down to the frames to see if what the Cubans listed is really all that's there.

Are you saying the MIG21 covered in sugar was a decoy?

What precisely would Cuba have to offer North Korea that's on the banned list?


I'm saying if they were willing to bury the MIG-21, what else did they bury in there? At this point I think probable cause for a full search has been effectively established, don't you?
 
2013-07-17 05:36:59 PM  
It sounds like old Fidel had a garage sale and Lil Kim was the buyer.
 
2013-07-17 05:58:53 PM  

CheatCommando: spawn73: CheatCommando: ka1axy: Something's not right with that story. I wasn't aware that the Norks had a reputation as the fix-it shop of the third world. Now the Cubans...anyone who can keep a fleet of '53 Chevys running for 60 years...*that's* where I'd be sending my obsolete aircraft and surface-to-air radar systems for repair

It's a BS cover story for sure. And it is time to take that ship apart down to the frames to see if what the Cubans listed is really all that's there.

Are you saying the MIG21 covered in sugar was a decoy?

What precisely would Cuba have to offer North Korea that's on the banned list?

I'm saying if they were willing to bury the MIG-21, what else did they bury in there? At this point I think probable cause for a full search has been effectively established, don't you?


Sure, they should and will search the whole ship.

I just can't think of anything Cuba has that North Korea would want, that's on the banned list.

It seems very plausible that Cuba just wants North Korea to repair the MIG-21 (and the rest of the stuff), given that North Korea has tons of planes already, but not enough fuel or pilots to use all of them. They'd have zero use for any additional MIG-21s for example.

A casual search on Wikipedia tells me that North Korea is in possesion of 200+ MIG-21s themselves, as well as more modern aircrafts. They don't have enough pilots to fly those, but they probably do have the know how and spare parts to fix that aircraft type, which seems inline with Cubas claim that they shipped them to NK with the intention of having it serviced/fixed.

Sugar seems like a plausible form of payment even. NK obviously needs any kind of food. Sugar has a very good energy/weight ratio, so that's probably the single best food source they could fit onto that ship, and one that Cuba has access too.
 
2013-07-17 07:45:44 PM  
I'm sure North Korea has superior expertise in repairing weapons they have no experience with,
 
2013-07-18 12:01:10 AM  
spawn73:

A casual search on Wikipedia tells me that North Korea is in possesion of 200+ MIG-21s themselves, as well as more modern aircrafts. They don't have enough pilots to fly those, but they probably do have the know how and spare parts to fix that aircraft type, which seems inline with Cubas claim that they shipped them to NK with the intention of having it serviced/fixed.

Sugar seems like a plausible form of payment even. NK obviously needs any kind of food. Sugar has a very good energy/weight ratio, so that's probably the single best food source they could fit onto that ship, and one that Cuba has access too.


Yeah, the thing won't go into second gear. I dunno what's wrong.
 
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