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2013-07-17 09:51:10 AM
The trouble is, people often leave them on when they leave the room, thinking that they actually are doing some cooling

I don't think they are cooling.  What I think they are doing is circulating the air so the house is evenly cooled (or heated for that matter).  It makes it so I don't have to cool the downstairs to absolute zero to get the upstairs comfortable.
 
2013-07-17 10:06:44 AM
Or, maybe you're Korean.
 
2013-07-17 10:08:29 AM
Oh FFS, just turn the AC on already.
 
2013-07-17 10:11:53 AM
I have organic sweat.
 
2013-07-17 10:11:58 AM
Ceiling fans when used in conjunction with AC units are great. They don't require nearly as much energy and they make the room feel several degrees cooler PLUS as EvilEgg said they help circulate the air. Running a ceiling fan in a closed room with no people in it is of course, stupid.
 
2013-07-17 10:13:00 AM
I thought ceiling fans pulled up the hot air that would then be replaced by the cooler air below.
 
2013-07-17 10:16:00 AM
I hate green people.
Remember when your dad used to walk into a room and shout vaugely at the rest of the house "Is anyone using this room!?  Is there a reason the lights are on!?  Maybe if you paid the farking POWER BILL you wouldn't just leave it running for NO REASON!!"

Did anyone think he was an environmental pioneer? No.  You know why? Because it's just common sense.
 
2013-07-17 10:16:46 AM
If it wasn't for my ceiling fan, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
 
2013-07-17 10:17:02 AM

Vines such as ivy, russian-vine and virgina creeper grow quickly and have an immediate effect; according to Livingroofs.org.


And while they're doing that the roots may be reducing the integrity of the mortar in a brick home or growing behind pieces of vinyl on a sided home.

Heh - "virgina creeper".
 
2013-07-17 10:17:02 AM
So they're not a fan of fans.
That Batfan is cool though.
 
2013-07-17 10:17:47 AM
Here's how to deal with an evil ceiling fan...
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2013-07-17 10:17:49 AM
1920's-30's Hunters and a  1920's Diehl ceiling fan for the win. Nothing like hurricane force winds :-)
 
2013-07-17 10:18:39 AM

bdub77: Ceiling fans when used in conjunction with AC units are great. They don't require nearly as much energy and they make the room feel several degrees cooler PLUS as EvilEgg said they help circulate the air. Running a ceiling fan in a closed room with no people in it is of course, stupid.


Then can ANYONE tell me why FFS is the Dept of Energy looking to regulate these wonderful devices?

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/product.as px /productid/25
 
2013-07-17 10:19:08 AM

skinink: I thought ceiling fans pulled up the hot air that would then be replaced by the cooler air below.


supposedly you can change the direction of the blades to circulate air in different directions.  They can pull air up to cool, or push air down to warm.
Since they all spin counter clockwise:
\ push down
/ pull up

I should note that I have never used a fan in an attempt to heat a room.  While being at the top of a ladder provides creedence to the theory, it just seems insane.
 
2013-07-17 10:21:05 AM
I've found if you put a cat toy on the end of a ceiling fan, the results are hilarious.
 
2013-07-17 10:22:58 AM

skinink: I thought ceiling fans pulled up the hot air that would then be replaced by the cooler air below.


Hot air rises naturally.  Ceiling fans are reversible so you can have it both ways.  You want upward flow in winter to push hot air down along the walls, downward flow in summer to push cool air up along the walls and evaporate sweat.

http://www.dansfancity.com/techhelp/wntrsmmr.htm
 
2013-07-17 10:24:35 AM
They are great fun when used as bouncy ball launchers
 
2013-07-17 10:27:14 AM
During college, my summer job was loading trucks with baked goods.  The staging area was huge and had lots of high-powered  ceiling fans.  A jelly roll lofted into one of them was our way of relieving boredom.
 
2013-07-17 10:28:16 AM

Famous Thamas: I've found if you put a cat toy on the end of a ceiling fan, the results are hilarious.


FIFY
 
2013-07-17 10:30:02 AM
www.mainlesson.com

Next step: windmills.
 
2013-07-17 10:34:12 AM
Ceiling fans are awesome.

Except when I'm trying to sleep and it's creaking.

I set my AC at about an 8 degree difference depending on whether a fan (ceiling or standalone) fan is on.
 
2013-07-17 10:34:32 AM

Brick-House: bdub77: Ceiling fans when used in conjunction with AC units are great. They don't require nearly as much energy and they make the room feel several degrees cooler PLUS as EvilEgg said they help circulate the air. Running a ceiling fan in a closed room with no people in it is of course, stupid.

Then can ANYONE tell me why FFS is the Dept of Energy looking to regulate these wonderful devices?

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/product.as px /productid/25


Do you think before saying stupid crap or does it just come naturally to you?

Here let me explain like you're a 2 year old.

I own a fan that runs at some amount of power, and that consumes energy.

The government decides that global warming is manmade and that energy consumption impacts it. Therefore it looks for ways to reduce energy consumption.

It regulates new fans so that they use less power while mostly doing the exact same things they always do.

Your house uses less energy, less CO2 for the country.

You get pissy because the fan designers and manufacturers have to probably temporarily increase the cost of the fan. OMG they hate passing costs onto conumers. And I'm sure you hate paying more. But what you don't realize because you are a short-sighted moron is that by saving energy costs you probably save more money over the long term.

Regulations also do nice things like making sure some designer or manufacturer can't cut costs to the point the devices are dangerous and pose a threat to people who use them. Let's say you have a standard that requires the fan circulates air both up and down. This is good because you want to circulate air differently at different times of the year to remain more energy efficient, especially if like most people you live in a house with HVAC.
 
2013-07-17 10:37:45 AM
I am surprised at how few people understand the basic concept of fans - that they make you feel cool due to the movement of air across your skin. The same way a breeze cools you off, a ceiling fan can make you feel cooler, but only if you are close enough to it to feel the air blowing on you. If you can't feel it, it isn't doing any good.


Don't you hate it when you figure out something only to find out everyone else already knew it. Even the dog is smart enough to lay in front of the fan.
 
2013-07-17 10:38:40 AM

mike_d85: skinink: I thought ceiling fans pulled up the hot air that would then be replaced by the cooler air below.

supposedly you can change the direction of the blades to circulate air in different directions.  They can pull air up to cool, or push air down to warm.
Since they all spin counter clockwise:
\ push down
/ pull up

I should note that I have never used a fan in an attempt to heat a room.  While being at the top of a ladder provides creedence to the theory, it just seems insane.


We had a two story open living room in Chicago. Without using the fan in conjunction with the heat there would be a line of demarcation below which was 30 degrees colder. So you were fine upstairs but would freeze your balls off downstairs. The fan was part of the heating plan from the architect; we discovered that by initially replacing the fan with a gorgeous light fixture in the new construction. Whoops.
 
2013-07-17 10:39:46 AM
I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.
 
2013-07-17 10:43:35 AM

sparkeyjames: I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.


Usually either one of two easy fixes: either tighten the screws holding the globe or get a heavier pull chain so it can't bounce.
 
2013-07-17 10:56:13 AM

EmperorSled: sparkeyjames: I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.

Usually either one of two easy fixes: either tighten the screws holding the globe or get a heavier pull chain so it can't bounce.


No no no, he said he really likes those.  Any advice on how to make a non-ticking one tick like that?
 
2013-07-17 11:04:22 AM
Tell that to menopausal Mrs. PCoC who finds the combination of full-blast air conditioning and ceiling fan to be the only thing that wards off the hot flashes.
 
2013-07-17 11:04:51 AM

Thelyphthoric: EmperorSled: sparkeyjames: I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.

Usually either one of two easy fixes: either tighten the screws holding the globe or get a heavier pull chain so it can't bounce.

No no no, he said he really likes those.  Any advice on how to make a non-ticking one tick like that?


Usually either one of two easy fixes: either loosen the screws holding the globe or get a lighter pull chain so it can bounce.
 
2013-07-17 11:15:02 AM

Armand Tanzarian: Thelyphthoric: EmperorSled: sparkeyjames: I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.

Usually either one of two easy fixes: either tighten the screws holding the globe or get a heavier pull chain so it can't bounce.

No no no, he said he really likes those.  Any advice on how to make a non-ticking one tick like that?

Usually either one of two easy fixes: either loosen the screws holding the globe or get a lighter pull chain so it can bounce.


Aha!  I can't speak for sparkyjames, but thank you.
If I ever make a film noir detective story I'll be sure to use these hints if I need to give a room a more desperate and dreary feel.
 
2013-07-17 11:16:12 AM
www.ashesthandust.com
Fan death: serious business.
 
2013-07-17 11:16:17 AM
I get it. Your life sucks and it's the ceiling fan's fault.  Make's perfect sense.
 
2013-07-17 11:22:26 AM

bdub77: Here let me explain like you're a 2 year old.



The Impact on the Ceiling Fan Industry and Consumers:

The DOE's proposed regulations will likely increase the production costs for ceiling fan manufacturers, resulting in the extra expenses being passed on to consumers. In addition, these additional ceiling fan energy efficiency regulations may prevent manufacturers from producing fans that continue to push the limits of creative design and innovation.
The Framework Document indicates that the DOE could impose a requirement for all ceiling fans to transition from AC motors to DC motors. Although DC motors are more energy efficient and use less wattage on high settings, the cost is four to five times higher compared to AC motors. However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant.

Regs were rewritten in 2005.
 
2013-07-17 11:27:26 AM
It's not bad advice, ceiling fans circulate surprisingly little air other than straight down.  If you're not in the room, all it's doing is keeping the ceiling and floor temperatures about the same...  I guess that's important to some people?
 
2013-07-17 11:45:41 AM

Red Shirt Blues: However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant


Citation needed. What is the difference in wattage being proposed? Copy pasting from some ceiling fan blog is not the same as research.
 
2013-07-17 11:46:32 AM

EmperorSled: sparkeyjames: I really like the type that go tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick until you want to smash it with a hammer.

Usually either one of two easy fixes: either tighten the screws holding the globe or get a heavier pull chain so it can't bounce.


Or buy a new ceiling fan.  You can get a 52" for $40 at lowe's.  If you are replacing a really old one, you will discover that their is no built in hook to hang the motor from when you are disconnecting the wiring.  Also, they used to make fan motors out of depleted uranium.
 
2013-07-17 12:15:58 PM
Heating and cooling mean nothing to me. I need a ceiling fan to quickly distribute my farts throughout the house.

How else can my wife enjoy them when she is in a different room?
 
2013-07-17 12:27:32 PM

EvilEgg: The trouble is, people often leave them on when they leave the room, thinking that they actually are doing some cooling

I don't think they are cooling.  What I think they are doing is circulating the air so the house is evenly cooled (or heated for that matter).  It makes it so I don't have to cool the downstairs to absolute zero to get the upstairs comfortable.


Hey hey hey! this is fark, no common sense.
 
2013-07-17 12:33:59 PM

Red Shirt Blues: The Framework Document indicates that the DOE could impose a requirement for all ceiling fans to transition from AC motors to DC motors. Although DC motors are more energy efficient and use less wattage on high settings,

would like to see a link...

the cost is four to five times higher compared to AC motors.
Not to mention they don't last as long, what with the brushes and/or electronic guts. And in a consumer product will probably be "non-repairable" design because that few % lower price will get it moving off the shelves fastest at Menards and Lowes. Gotta love our disposable society.
 
2013-07-17 12:43:34 PM

Cheron: .... it when you figure out something only to find out everyone else already knew it. Even the dog is smart enough to lay in front of the fan.

...

Whilst in front of the fan, the dog will invariably fart the most unimaginably horrifying miasma to be distributed throughout the house.
 
2013-07-17 01:08:17 PM

mike_d85: skinink: I thought ceiling fans pulled up the hot air that would then be replaced by the cooler air below.

supposedly you can change the direction of the blades to circulate air in different directions.  They can pull air up to cool, or push air down to warm.
Since they all spin counter clockwise:
\ push down
/ pull up

I should note that I have never used a fan in an attempt to heat a room.  While being at the top of a ladder provides creedence to the theory, it just seems insane.


There's a switch on the side of the motor to reverse rotation.

Much easier than changing all of the blades.
 
2013-07-17 01:11:16 PM

bdub77: Red Shirt Blues: However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant

Citation needed. What is the difference in wattage being proposed? Copy pasting from some ceiling fan blog is not the same as research.


Its more than you did.
 
2013-07-17 02:09:34 PM

sethen320: bdub77: Red Shirt Blues: However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant

Citation needed. What is the difference in wattage being proposed? Copy pasting from some ceiling fan blog is not the same as research.

Its more than you did.


I am totally for having an open, public discussion about what any regulations will do - as was the DOE when it didn't simply impose new standards but asked for comment. Have Congress bring in some electrical efficiency experts, some people from the ceiling fan industry. Let's talk about it. Are DC motors really that much more expensive and prone to breaking? If so, is that because there's no demand for them and no innovation has been done? Is the motor part even a significant cost compared to say the blades? If your AC motor costs $.40 and a DC motor costs $1.60 to make at current cost...I mean seriously you can't just jack the sale price up a little bit?

Let's have some honest conversation. Saying 'it's insignificant' tells me jack sh*t. Is it insignificant in the long run if there are 600 million of these fans? What is your definition of insignificant?

People shouldn't be afraid to discuss the data in a public forum. But getting all bent out of shape about every regulation just because it requires retooling is not going to help advance the public discussion about our energy consumption. The same could be said for safety belts and safety belt laws when they came out, and yet they've saved countless lives.
 
2013-07-17 02:19:01 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [www.ashesthandust.com image 387x253]
Fan death: serious business.


That is by far one of the weirdest things ive ever read about.
 
2013-07-17 02:37:00 PM

bdub77: sethen320: bdub77: Red Shirt Blues: However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant

Citation needed. What is the difference in wattage being proposed? Copy pasting from some ceiling fan blog is not the same as research.

Its more than you did.

I am totally for having an open, public discussion about what any regulations will do - as was the DOE when it didn't simply impose new standards but asked for comment. Have Congress bring in some electrical efficiency experts, some people from the ceiling fan industry. Let's talk about it. Are DC motors really that much more expensive and prone to breaking? If so, is that because there's no demand for them and no innovation has been done? Is the motor part even a significant cost compared to say the blades? If your AC motor costs $.40 and a DC motor costs $1.60 to make at current cost...I mean seriously you can't just jack the sale price up a little bit?

Let's have some honest conversation. Saying 'it's insignificant' tells me jack sh*t. Is it insignificant in the long run if there are 600 million of these fans? What is your definition of insignificant?

People shouldn't be afraid to discuss the data in a public forum. But getting all bent out of shape about every regulation just because it requires retooling is not going to help advance the public discussion about our energy consumption. The same could be said for safety belts and safety belt laws when they came out, and yet they've saved countless lives.


Now that was an awesome and informed answer.  Why didn't you just explain your position in that way to begin with?  That's how a conversation is had.
 
2013-07-17 02:42:12 PM

sethen320: bdub77: sethen320: bdub77: Red Shirt Blues: However, since most people do not run their ceiling fans on a high setting the majority of the time-using either medium or low settings instead-the difference in wattage is insignificant

Citation needed. What is the difference in wattage being proposed? Copy pasting from some ceiling fan blog is not the same as research.

Its more than you did.

I am totally for having an open, public discussion about what any regulations will do - as was the DOE when it didn't simply impose new standards but asked for comment. Have Congress bring in some electrical efficiency experts, some people from the ceiling fan industry. Let's talk about it. Are DC motors really that much more expensive and prone to breaking? If so, is that because there's no demand for them and no innovation has been done? Is the motor part even a significant cost compared to say the blades? If your AC motor costs $.40 and a DC motor costs $1.60 to make at current cost...I mean seriously you can't just jack the sale price up a little bit?

Let's have some honest conversation. Saying 'it's insignificant' tells me jack sh*t. Is it insignificant in the long run if there are 600 million of these fans? What is your definition of insignificant?

People shouldn't be afraid to discuss the data in a public forum. But getting all bent out of shape about every regulation just because it requires retooling is not going to help advance the public discussion about our energy consumption. The same could be said for safety belts and safety belt laws when they came out, and yet they've saved countless lives.

Now that was an awesome and informed answer.  Why didn't you just explain your position in that way to begin with?  That's how a conversation is had.


Because it's a goddamn long explanation and because I don't want to sift through pages of regulatory whargarble for someone who isn't going to bother to do the same. But there you go there's my mind dump on things.

This template can apply to a lot of crap that happens in the public domain. People should bring real info to a topic and not a bunch of vague verbiage. It's intellectually dishonest.
 
2013-07-17 06:42:48 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Vines such as ivy, russian-vine and virgina creeper grow quickly and have an immediate effect; according to Livingroofs.org.


And while they're doing that the roots may be reducing the integrity of the mortar in a brick home or growing behind pieces of vinyl on a sided home.

Heh - "virgina creeper".


Let's not forget how various critters and vermin will use vegetation as an express route into your home.
 
2013-07-18 08:41:13 AM
I did one on the evilness of pillows.
 
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