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2013-07-17 09:12:02 AM  
5 votes:
This is stupid to anyone who understands how mutations and genetic variation work. There will ALWAYS be mutations, genetic defects, and funny looking vegetables. The key to knowing whether the Fukushima leak affected the local plant life is to study the rate of these mutations to see if it is above background levels. Until those data are available, all this is is a collection of amusingly shaped produce.
2013-07-17 07:37:19 AM  
5 votes:
So...we have real proof that these veggies are all from the area effected by the Fukushima disaster and aren't just a random assortment of weird veggie pics some news station trolled up from teh intarwebs to increase traffic?
2013-07-17 07:32:41 AM  
4 votes:
s3.amazonaws.com

SOON...
2013-07-17 08:54:53 AM  
2 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
2013-07-17 08:51:58 AM  
2 votes:
You'd have to be pretty damn gullible to think these pictures are anything more than a collection of random plant oddities. So that covers about 99% of the population.
2013-07-17 07:55:44 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe I'm a shiatty gardener, but those stuck together tomatoes were a big "meh" for me.  I've seen it before.
www.rareseeds.com
There's a varietal called Reisetomate that approximates this.  Keep in mind, I'm not saying that those particular mutations aren't caused by radiation, but I'll take a Korean paper's muckraking of Japan with a grain of salf.
2013-07-17 07:02:41 AM  
2 votes:
This thread will be filled with serious scientific discussion and not filled with emotional outburst of conspiracy theories.
2013-07-17 04:35:35 AM  
2 votes:
FTFA:   A Korean website assembled this image collection

That explains that.  God damn Koreans, let it go already.
2013-07-17 01:50:00 AM  
2 votes:
I'd love to see results of studies on that stuff.
2013-07-18 01:50:56 AM  
1 votes:

Incorrigible Astronaut: staplermofo: FTFA:   A Korean website assembled this image collection

That explains that.  God damn Koreans, let it go already.

Seriously. We've got obvious issues with race over here, but I didn't realize how much the Koreans and Japanese hated each other until I went to an international electronics show in January. It's just as bad, if not worse in some ways.


I had a good giggle when John Cho was subtly being a biatch about Benedict Cumberbatch being cast as Khan.  He got George Takei's okay to play Sulu and they're both Asian so he doesn't think there's an issue with that.

All I could think was "Sweetie, there are plenty of real Koreans and Japanese who will be just as offended about a Korean playing a Japanese man as you are about a white man playing Khan".

Don't even get me started about what Koreans and Japanese think of their own internal racial minorities.
2013-07-17 01:18:59 PM  
1 votes:

Gleeman: neversubmit: BTW Fukushima wasn't fine before the disaster.

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Learn how to look stuff up and you won't be so easily proven wrong with a simple search.

Fukushima disaster could have been avoided, nuclear plant operator admits

Tepco, which previously insisted nothing could have protected plant, now says it failed to implement safety improvements
2013-07-17 12:56:58 PM  
1 votes:
DO NOT GIS bikini atoll jellyfish babies you have been warned! NSFL
2013-07-17 12:48:49 PM  
1 votes:
Tomahawk513

Rosyna: Where is all the deformed vegetation from Chernobyl or the atomic bombs?

Vegetation has reclaimed chernobyl but I haven't seen mutations.


Well, based on "http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/0 1/wildlife_in_chernobyl_debate_over_mutations_and_populations_of_plant s_and.2.html", mutations certainly were seen in vegetation in Chernobyl, especially early on, but even now in the most highly radiated zones some trees still do not form correctly.

I had wondered about that also. I remember Bikini Atoll, where nuclear tests sunk all those WW2 battleships and displaced the local population. I don't recall any mention of mutated vegetation in the following tests over decades -- well, when it finally grew back.

I do recall tests indicating that while the Atoll was flourishing, it could not support a long term community because of all of the radioactive cesium still in the soil, which was being drawn into the plants. Visitors have to limit their stays.

Plus, back in the dawn of the atomic age, they tested a device in the US which turned out to be twice as powerful as expected and the fallout cloud drifted far off course and fell on habitated lands. I don't recall any reports of mutant vegetation within the blast zone nor within the fallout area. I think cancer rates did spike some.

There doesn't seem to be any variations in the Arizona Test site where the first bombs were detonated.

Most of what I recall as being the result of intense irradiation has been cancer and various species retaining higher than normal levels of radiation. Like fish. Dangerously irradiated mammals tend to die off quickly. Plants can absorb radioactive isotopes from the soil and cause problems for the consumer.

BTW, around 6 years ago, a private company in the US quietly started buying up old Nuclear plants. They upgraded all, made them more efficient and safer and planned to have those off-line, back online within a short period of time. They did find some glaring inefficiencies and design flaws as well as contractor errors. (Read that latter as 'cost cutting'.)

To my understanding, they have been successful.

There's a nuke plant 25 miles from me, on a barrier island. Since Florida is Hurricane Central, you might imagine the concern over it's construction on such a narrow spit of land. However, it has been in operation over 20 years, survived every hurricane with no major damage and been quietly churning out megawatts of power the whole time.

The city in it's immediate radiation zone has powerful early warning alarms set up on towers throughout the area but they've only been used for tests.

Actually, the cooling tower waters drain into the Atlantic through an inlet, which has become a primary sheltering spot for Manatees during the rare, real cold days of winter. They enjoy the increased warmth. There have been no reports of radiation increases in these endangered critters. Until 9/11 they used to let folks fish from the inlet.
2013-07-17 10:58:57 AM  
1 votes:

Rosyna: Thank you for finding an article that demonstrates how much radiation is required to create a genetic mutation. The Red Forest, according to that article, was one of the 5 most contaminated patches in Chernobyl and the extent of the damage is limpy saplings.

In other words, radiation from the Japanese reactor is magnitudes too low to have any observable effect on the vegetation there.  They just be trollin' in the original article..


Dude, while I want to agree that TFA is overinflated, you're farking the wrong chicken.  Chernobyl has mutations ALL OVER the place, and it's widely-known.  Even the apologists can only downplay the amount as, "well at least it's not a barren wasteland."

I'm more curious about the cesium claims upthread and whether THIS year will be worst because the radiation, (as opposed to particulate fallout) was higher last year.
2013-07-17 10:52:17 AM  
1 votes:

Gleeman: radiumsoup: neversubmit: At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And they're all built right on the seashore in an earthquake zone, right? Because that's what we should be afraid of. If, you know, we should be afraid at all.

And never mind that Fukishima was fine until the tsunami took out the backup generators. Or that the Japanese GE BWRs haven't been updated with additional vents like the US reactors were in the 90's.

In either case his troll source is from an oil industry blog, so I suggest a grain of NaCl.


I don't agree with you so you are a troll. BTW Fukushima wasn't fine before the disaster.
2013-07-17 10:25:53 AM  
1 votes:
That looks bad until you realize what their fruit looked like before Fukishima.
www.hoax-slayer.com
2013-07-17 10:25:10 AM  
1 votes:
The Japanese are still intolerant of other asians.   The last thing you want is to get stuck in line at customs at Narita behind a non-Japanese asian passenger (in fact, the agent just waived us around).
2013-07-17 09:23:53 AM  
1 votes:

Pangit: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]

I have the strangest boner right now.


Reminds me of that Jennifer Connolly scene near the end of 'Requiem for a Dream'....
2013-07-17 09:05:12 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: This is a picture of a pre-Fukushima Japanese hornet.

[top10hm.com image 640x511]

Increased genetic diversity due to higher background radiation will only make them stronger. I welcome our giant hornet overlords.

/not how evolution works
//but still fun to imagine


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2013-07-17 08:42:48 AM  
1 votes:

Rosyna: Where is all the deformed vegetation from Chernobyl or the atomic bombs?

Vegetation has reclaimed chernobyl but I haven't seen mutations.


Well, based on this article, mutations certainly were seen in vegetation in Chernobyl, especially early on, but even now in the most highly radiated zones some trees still do not form correctly.
2013-07-17 08:40:30 AM  
1 votes:
At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was thought to have signed an agreement with her Japanese counterpart to promise that the US would continue to buy seafood from Japan, as proof that all is well, even though the FD has so far refused to actually test the sea-food for any radiation and determine that it is safe for consumption.

Yum yum Who wants Captain D's? Thanks Hillary
2013-07-17 08:36:34 AM  
1 votes:

GBB: Handiradish gives this thread a thumbs up
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Most of these are not news. I grew a Daikon radish in a pot here using organic soil and had a similar mutation as this one. It only had two roots, and I didn't test the soil for radioactivity, but still. Not only are these pictures not news, but a few have been posted and debunked on Fark just a few months after the disaster.
2013-07-17 08:33:24 AM  
1 votes:
Good!  This is step one towards developing mutant powers.
2013-07-17 08:31:00 AM  
1 votes:
Where is all the deformed vegetation from Chernobyl or the atomic bombs?

Vegetation has reclaimed chernobyl but I haven't seen mutations.
2013-07-17 08:27:52 AM  
1 votes:

utah dude: Rapmaster2000: Kirzania: Rapmaster2000: but I'll take a Korean paper's muckraking of Japan with a grain of salf.

Some of these pictures look rather ... old, so this. Also, I feel that the image of the "peaches with elephantiasis" is in some way NSFW.

Specifically, the bicolor orange one struck me because I believe that is a rather common phenomenon explained by sunlight exposure.  It appears someone forced it into such a perfect symmetry, but it's not something that requires a nuclear disaster to happen.

isn't that called somaclonal variation? maybe kinetek can weigh in.


oh wait no . variegation and chimerism.
2013-07-17 08:26:50 AM  
1 votes:
We really need a Fukiesque disaster to happen in America.  It is the only way that nuclear power will end here is if thousands of Americans die and the land is no longer habitable.  People dying from the diseases from fracking gas just takes too long.

Let it glow...Let it glow...Let it glow
2013-07-17 08:21:27 AM  
1 votes:
Rosyna: There wasn't much radiation leaked outside of the reactor. And the radiation that did leak outside is far less than the amount of ionizing radiation leaked from the normal operation of a coal-burning power plant.

Whoever told you that isn't your friend.
2013-07-17 08:16:05 AM  
1 votes:

Kirzania: Rapmaster2000: but I'll take a Korean paper's muckraking of Japan with a grain of salf.

Some of these pictures look rather ... old, so this. Also, I feel that the image of the "peaches with elephantiasis" is in some way NSFW.


Specifically, the bicolor orange one struck me because I believe that is a rather common phenomenon explained by sunlight exposure.  It appears someone forced it into such a perfect symmetry, but it's not something that requires a nuclear disaster to happen.
2013-07-17 08:01:29 AM  
1 votes:

sno man: cman: This thread will be filled with serious scientific discussion and not filled with emotional outburst of conspiracy theories.

Monsanto caused the tsunami?


Someone here on Fark pointed me toward the book Windup Girl - your theory is plausible.
2013-07-17 07:58:08 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: but I'll take a Korean paper's muckraking of Japan with a grain of salf.


Some of these pictures look rather ... old, so this. Also, I feel that the image of the "peaches with elephantiasis" is in some way NSFW.
2013-07-17 07:51:44 AM  
1 votes:
Eh, I'm a little more concerned that cesium levels are still RISING around the plant...you know, that short half life stuff that the experts told us would be gone by now...
2013-07-17 07:38:47 AM  
1 votes:
This is a picture of a pre-Fukushima Japanese hornet.

top10hm.com

Increased genetic diversity due to higher background radiation will only make them stronger. I welcome our giant hornet overlords.

/not how evolution works
//but still fun to imagine
2013-07-17 07:29:23 AM  
1 votes:

ekdikeo4: I'd love to see results of studies on that stuff.


It looks like serious problems with cell cycle control and maybe cell-cell recognition during development.  The cucumber looks like it de- and re- differentiated.

I agree, it would be interesting to hear about the genes that have been affected.
2013-07-17 07:25:30 AM  
1 votes:

cman: This thread will be filled with serious scientific discussion and not filled with emotional outburst of conspiracy theories.


Monsanto caused the tsunami?
2013-07-17 06:21:50 AM  
1 votes:
Really?  No one has ever posted a screencap of the Gilligan's island radioactive vegetables episode?  Whatever will I hotlink?
 
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