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2013-07-17 08:36:34 AM

GBB: Handiradish gives this thread a thumbs up
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Most of these are not news. I grew a Daikon radish in a pot here using organic soil and had a similar mutation as this one. It only had two roots, and I didn't test the soil for radioactivity, but still. Not only are these pictures not news, but a few have been posted and debunked on Fark just a few months after the disaster.
 
2013-07-17 08:40:10 AM

T-Servo: sno man: cman: This thread will be filled with serious scientific discussion and not filled with emotional outburst of conspiracy theories.

Monsanto caused the tsunami?

Someone here on Fark pointed me toward the book Windup Girl - your theory is plausible.


You're welcome.
 
2013-07-17 08:40:30 AM
At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was thought to have signed an agreement with her Japanese counterpart to promise that the US would continue to buy seafood from Japan, as proof that all is well, even though the FD has so far refused to actually test the sea-food for any radiation and determine that it is safe for consumption.

Yum yum Who wants Captain D's? Thanks Hillary
 
2013-07-17 08:42:01 AM
radiation poisoning prevents cells from reproducing which makes it highly unlikely a genetic mutation would be present in offspring... Can't have a genetic mutation in offspring if the offspring can't exist!
 
2013-07-17 08:42:48 AM

Rosyna: Where is all the deformed vegetation from Chernobyl or the atomic bombs?

Vegetation has reclaimed chernobyl but I haven't seen mutations.


Well, based on this article, mutations certainly were seen in vegetation in Chernobyl, especially early on, but even now in the most highly radiated zones some trees still do not form correctly.
 
2013-07-17 08:43:22 AM

GBB: Handiradish gives this thread a thumbs up
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Radish is giving this thread a Helping Hand
 
2013-07-17 08:46:56 AM
All your nuclear and tsunami disasters are belong to us. And we sue.


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2013-07-17 08:48:14 AM

Slappy McLongstockings: Look..I get you lack an understanding of chemical cancers but please do not be so stupid.

Get some help.. It is called an education.


At least I have a grasp on the English language. But, please, educate me. Feel free to site the non-tree-hugger group studies linking the chemicals used in fracking to cancer, venereal disease or anything else you heard from Gasland (2). Last I heard, the CDC has no conclusive studies but was calling for them to be done.
Loosen up.
 
2013-07-17 08:48:31 AM
I think I'll call it Audrey.
 
2013-07-17 08:48:57 AM
Wait until they see what it does for marijuana. Why it turns that shiat into an atomic high and makes the ladies hotter and wetter then an atomic meltdown after a tsunami.
 
2013-07-17 08:49:17 AM

neversubmit: At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."


And they're all built right on the seashore in an earthquake zone, right? Because that's what we should be afraid of. If, you know, we should be afraid at all.
 
2013-07-17 08:51:58 AM
You'd have to be pretty damn gullible to think these pictures are anything more than a collection of random plant oddities. So that covers about 99% of the population.
 
2013-07-17 08:54:53 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-17 08:54:59 AM
Change to fusion power.
 
2013-07-17 08:55:02 AM
Sounds like a good side dish.

sfcitizen.com
 
2013-07-17 08:55:28 AM

Kirzania: Slappy McLongstockings: Look..I get you lack an understanding of chemical cancers but please do not be so stupid.

Get some help.. It is called an education.

At least I have a grasp on the English language. But, please, educate me. Feel free to site the non-tree-hugger group studies linking the chemicals used in fracking to cancer, venereal disease or anything else you heard from Gasland (2). Last I heard, the CDC has no conclusive studies but was calling for them to be done.
Loosen up.


Well there is that whole unregulated chemicals that companies refuse to reveal what is in them and the Republicans are blocking the EPA from independent analysis thing. So, excuse us if we are just a little worried about money grubbing murderous corporations who have proven time and again to rape the environment and kill people all in pursuit of a buck.

There have been studies done about Fraking releasing toxic air emissions:
http://www.gonzalesinquirer.com/news/article_0e9bdad6-ee3b-11e2-985d- 0 01a4bcf887a.html">http://www.gonzalesinquirer.com/news/article_0e9bda d6-ee3b-11e2-985d-0 01a4bcf887a.html


Causing earth quakes:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/07/can-fracking-cause-bigger-more - frequent-earthquakes/">http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/07/can-fra cking-cause-bigger-more- frequent-earthquakes/

The EPA being forced to abandon fraking research:
http://kdvr.com/2013/07/15/epas-retreat-from-wyoming-fracking-study-p a rt-of-a-trend/">http://kdvr.com/2013/07/15/epas-retreat-from-wyoming- fracking-study-pa rt-of-a-trend/

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/fracking-energy-exploration-connected- e arthquakes-say-studies-6C10604071">http://www.nbcnews.com/science/fra cking-energy-exploration-connected-e arthquakes-say-studies-6C10604071


So, you know keep farking that chicken you Republican whore, when the revolution comes we will be sure to hang you with the rest of those traitors.
 
2013-07-17 08:56:28 AM

Tomahawk513: Well, based on this article, mutations certainly were seen in vegetation in Chernobyl, especially early on, but even now in the most highly radiated zones some trees still do not form correctly.


Thank you for finding an article that demonstrates how much radiation is required to create a genetic mutation. The Red Forest, according to that article, was one of the 5 most contaminated patches in Chernobyl and the extent of the damage is limpy saplings.

In other words, radiation from the Japanese reactor is magnitudes too low to have any observable effect on the vegetation there.  They just be trollin' in the original article..
 
2013-07-17 09:01:25 AM

ReapTheChaos: The Japanese eat some really weird shiat anyway, so what's the big deal with these?


Bet WalMart would buy it.
 
2013-07-17 09:02:19 AM

radiumsoup: neversubmit: At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And they're all built right on the seashore in an earthquake zone, right? Because that's what we should be afraid of. If, you know, we should be afraid at all.


You said afraid twice ;P There's nothing you can do about it, you might as well lay back and enjoy it.
 
2013-07-17 09:03:18 AM
The chems they pump into the ground water are carcenogenic....sorry your stock portfolio won't allow you to give a phuk...o well... just enjoy people dying.  It is the only thing worth smiling about.
 
2013-07-17 09:03:34 AM
TETSUOOOOO! KAAAANEEEDAAAA!
 
2013-07-17 09:05:05 AM
If you think the fruits and veggies are cool, wait until the kids grow up!
 
2013-07-17 09:05:12 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: This is a picture of a pre-Fukushima Japanese hornet.

[top10hm.com image 640x511]

Increased genetic diversity due to higher background radiation will only make them stronger. I welcome our giant hornet overlords.

/not how evolution works
//but still fun to imagine


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2013-07-17 09:12:02 AM
This is stupid to anyone who understands how mutations and genetic variation work. There will ALWAYS be mutations, genetic defects, and funny looking vegetables. The key to knowing whether the Fukushima leak affected the local plant life is to study the rate of these mutations to see if it is above background levels. Until those data are available, all this is is a collection of amusingly shaped produce.
 
2013-07-17 09:16:39 AM
And I can't even manage a bed of radishes.
 
2013-07-17 09:19:16 AM
 
2013-07-17 09:23:53 AM

Pangit: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]

I have the strangest boner right now.


Reminds me of that Jennifer Connolly scene near the end of 'Requiem for a Dream'....
 
2013-07-17 09:30:03 AM
Subsidized gas power production and use is not cheap or clean...emissions do not matter when you poison everyone during extraction.

it's ok... I already know that it is too late for this idiotic rock to survive.

again...nothing will change.  no one will take the steps necessary to stop it so just enjoy the death of people every moment of every day.

:)
 
2013-07-17 09:33:04 AM

Slappy McLongstockings: again...nothing will change. no one will take the steps necessary to stop it so just enjoy the death of people every moment of every day.


This is pretty much where I am. I just hope the end comes quickly. We should build MORE nukes if anything. If they could all fail simultaneously, that would be great. I don't want to see it coming and I'd rather it was quick.
/not a Republican
//not a Democrat
///want to move to island and pretend the rest of it doesn't exist
 
2013-07-17 09:45:00 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: staplermofo: FTFA:   A Korean website assembled this image collection

That explains that.  God damn Koreans, let it go already.

Seriously. We've got obvious issues with race over here, but I didn't realize how much the Koreans and Japanese hated each other until I went to an international electronics show in January. It's just as bad, if not worse in some ways.


Back in high school we were doing World War II in our history class and in one lesson our teacher had a video on the atomic drops in Hiroshima & Nagasaki. I think it was a documentary dealing with the aftermath all the years later. Anyway, at one point the video showed a mushroom cloud and then pictures of the destruction and this Korean kid in class, normally a quite and reserved guy, stood up and started applauding. The teacher ended up sending him to the deans office because he wouldn't stop.
 
2013-07-17 10:07:23 AM
Wonder if I can get some seeds from these things?
 
2013-07-17 10:17:21 AM

Rosyna: Not sure how these would be caused by radiation.


Plant breeders subject seed to radiation all the time.

I'd be more worried about soil contamination though from Fukishima (but I doubt these are really from there.)
 
2013-07-17 10:25:10 AM
The Japanese are still intolerant of other asians.   The last thing you want is to get stuck in line at customs at Narita behind a non-Japanese asian passenger (in fact, the agent just waived us around).
 
2013-07-17 10:25:53 AM
That looks bad until you realize what their fruit looked like before Fukishima.
www.hoax-slayer.com
 
2013-07-17 10:35:36 AM
Since Chinese cuisine seems to be based on a dare, I'd expect gastro-tourists from there to be lining up to visit Fukushima now.
 
2013-07-17 10:46:38 AM

radiumsoup: neversubmit: At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And they're all built right on the seashore in an earthquake zone, right? Because that's what we should be afraid of. If, you know, we should be afraid at all.


And never mind that Fukishima was fine until the tsunami took out the backup generators. Or that the Japanese GE BWRs haven't been updated with additional vents like the US reactors were in the 90's.

In either case his troll source is from an oil industry blog, so I suggest a grain of NaCl.
 
2013-07-17 10:52:17 AM

Gleeman: radiumsoup: neversubmit: At least that can't happen here.

The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret

As Mitsuhei Murata, the former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, said in August last year: "In the US there are 31 [sic] units the same type of that of Fukushima nuclear plant [23 are virtually identical to Fukushima]. So, if the accident be spread too far that really embarrasses the US. So that is why the crisis of Unit 4 has been toned down recently. The USA is actually the main reason."

And they're all built right on the seashore in an earthquake zone, right? Because that's what we should be afraid of. If, you know, we should be afraid at all.

And never mind that Fukishima was fine until the tsunami took out the backup generators. Or that the Japanese GE BWRs haven't been updated with additional vents like the US reactors were in the 90's.

In either case his troll source is from an oil industry blog, so I suggest a grain of NaCl.


I don't agree with you so you are a troll. BTW Fukushima wasn't fine before the disaster.
 
2013-07-17 10:58:57 AM

Rosyna: Thank you for finding an article that demonstrates how much radiation is required to create a genetic mutation. The Red Forest, according to that article, was one of the 5 most contaminated patches in Chernobyl and the extent of the damage is limpy saplings.

In other words, radiation from the Japanese reactor is magnitudes too low to have any observable effect on the vegetation there.  They just be trollin' in the original article..


Dude, while I want to agree that TFA is overinflated, you're farking the wrong chicken.  Chernobyl has mutations ALL OVER the place, and it's widely-known.  Even the apologists can only downplay the amount as, "well at least it's not a barren wasteland."

I'm more curious about the cesium claims upthread and whether THIS year will be worst because the radiation, (as opposed to particulate fallout) was higher last year.
 
2013-07-17 11:04:58 AM
HO LEE FUK.  That is crazy.  But it's tree, Koreans will do anything they can to smear the Japanese so I'm taking this with a grain of MSG
 
2013-07-17 11:39:41 AM
Aww, Monsanto certifies that genetically altered food is just fine.
 
2013-07-17 11:43:45 AM
How come nobody got upset when their rutabaga looked like(imaginary image of) that Jesus fella?
 
2013-07-17 12:48:49 PM
Tomahawk513

Rosyna: Where is all the deformed vegetation from Chernobyl or the atomic bombs?

Vegetation has reclaimed chernobyl but I haven't seen mutations.


Well, based on "http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/0 1/wildlife_in_chernobyl_debate_over_mutations_and_populations_of_plant s_and.2.html", mutations certainly were seen in vegetation in Chernobyl, especially early on, but even now in the most highly radiated zones some trees still do not form correctly.

I had wondered about that also. I remember Bikini Atoll, where nuclear tests sunk all those WW2 battleships and displaced the local population. I don't recall any mention of mutated vegetation in the following tests over decades -- well, when it finally grew back.

I do recall tests indicating that while the Atoll was flourishing, it could not support a long term community because of all of the radioactive cesium still in the soil, which was being drawn into the plants. Visitors have to limit their stays.

Plus, back in the dawn of the atomic age, they tested a device in the US which turned out to be twice as powerful as expected and the fallout cloud drifted far off course and fell on habitated lands. I don't recall any reports of mutant vegetation within the blast zone nor within the fallout area. I think cancer rates did spike some.

There doesn't seem to be any variations in the Arizona Test site where the first bombs were detonated.

Most of what I recall as being the result of intense irradiation has been cancer and various species retaining higher than normal levels of radiation. Like fish. Dangerously irradiated mammals tend to die off quickly. Plants can absorb radioactive isotopes from the soil and cause problems for the consumer.

BTW, around 6 years ago, a private company in the US quietly started buying up old Nuclear plants. They upgraded all, made them more efficient and safer and planned to have those off-line, back online within a short period of time. They did find some glaring inefficiencies and design flaws as well as contractor errors. (Read that latter as 'cost cutting'.)

To my understanding, they have been successful.

There's a nuke plant 25 miles from me, on a barrier island. Since Florida is Hurricane Central, you might imagine the concern over it's construction on such a narrow spit of land. However, it has been in operation over 20 years, survived every hurricane with no major damage and been quietly churning out megawatts of power the whole time.

The city in it's immediate radiation zone has powerful early warning alarms set up on towers throughout the area but they've only been used for tests.

Actually, the cooling tower waters drain into the Atlantic through an inlet, which has become a primary sheltering spot for Manatees during the rare, real cold days of winter. They enjoy the increased warmth. There have been no reports of radiation increases in these endangered critters. Until 9/11 they used to let folks fish from the inlet.
 
2013-07-17 12:56:58 PM
DO NOT GIS bikini atoll jellyfish babies you have been warned! NSFL
 
2013-07-17 01:02:43 PM
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Earguy: Really?  No one has ever posted a screencap of the Gilligan's island radioactive vegetables episode?  Whatever will I hotlink?


Maybe this?
 
2013-07-17 01:05:28 PM
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Have the Mushroom People shown up in Fukushima yet?
 
2013-07-17 01:08:06 PM

neversubmit: BTW Fukushima wasn't fine before the disaster.


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2013-07-17 01:18:59 PM

Gleeman: neversubmit: BTW Fukushima wasn't fine before the disaster.

citation_required.jpg


Learn how to look stuff up and you won't be so easily proven wrong with a simple search.

Fukushima disaster could have been avoided, nuclear plant operator admits

Tepco, which previously insisted nothing could have protected plant, now says it failed to implement safety improvements
 
2013-07-17 01:31:18 PM
Unfortunately, Japan is kinda heavy on the chemicals "normally."

I went on vacation there last year and came upon some of the most gorgeous apples you have ever seen. I ate one (you know, mouth + apple) and when I had finished, my tongue/lips were tingly and partially numb.

As it turns out, they use so many chemicals to grow the things, they recommended using a knife to cut off/discard the skin before eating it.

...I came back to the States and only bought organic produce from there on out.
 
2013-07-17 01:51:53 PM
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2013-07-17 05:03:14 PM
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