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2013-07-17 12:33:38 PM  

here to help: You are confused as to what I was talking about earlier or you are being intentional obtuse (which seems to be a recurring theme with you).


When commenting on an article about people who choose their gender pronouns will nilly and change them as casually as they do their facebook images, who even go so far to create their own and you use the term "these peopel" that is who you are talking about.

I have, in almost every reply to you, drawn the line between TG and "these people".  So either you are confused, intantionally obtuse, or just moving the goal posts.

Not sure which, nor do I really care, cause frankly you aren't worth it.

/feel a little better about this one cupcake?
 
2013-07-17 12:33:38 PM  

proteus_b: While anyone with the intellect of even a damaged toadstool would recognize that you are clearly correct, and your foes clearly mistaken, in your current conflict, I believe you should ask yourself the same question: of all the people with their priorities misplaced whom you might correct, are these internet tranny-white-knighters really the ones you want to waste your time on? Even if you convince them that saving lives is more important than saving hurt feelings, it's unlikely that they will ever act on it. But then again you're probably at work, so...


You think I'd be having this conversation if I wasn't being paid to do something else? ;)
 
2013-07-17 12:34:37 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: liam76: I am sure the world would be a better place it we began every interaction with a couple sentences on how we would like to be refered to rather than take these offensive titles that language is trying to force us into.

Language is a protocol for communicating meaning. Can you imagine if we had to do protocol negotiation before every conversational exchange?


Like a contract, treaty, or statute having a section of definitions at the beginning? Gosh, that'd be terrible.
 
2013-07-17 12:35:30 PM  

pacified: How can one not have better things to do with their time than sit around and figure out how to be offended?


Being seen as a victim has great power, people will go to any lengths to obtain and/or keep that status.
 
2013-07-17 12:36:19 PM  

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: liam76: I am sure the world would be a better place it we began every interaction with a couple sentences on how we would like to be refered to rather than take these offensive titles that language is trying to force us into.

Language is a protocol for communicating meaning. Can you imagine if we had to do protocol negotiation before every conversational exchange?

Like a contract, treaty, or statute having a section of definitions at the beginning? Gosh, that'd be terrible.


As an aside, this is a protocol negotiation, and you're a noncompliant partner. One participant has said "I wish to communicate using X definitions," and you say "No." In view of that, why should anyone continue communicating with you?
 
2013-07-17 12:36:33 PM  

vygramul: A couple of decades ago, I had decided I really wished there was a genderless pronoun in English to use for all humans to avoid all this.


Have "they" and "them" suddenly departed the language?
 
2013-07-17 12:36:56 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Really? 230+ posts and I'm the [first one to post a Here's Pat pic]?

[Here's Pat picture]


Came here for this.
 
2013-07-17 12:38:02 PM  

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: liam76: I am sure the world would be a better place it we began every interaction with a couple sentences on how we would like to be refered to rather than take these offensive titles that language is trying to force us into.

Language is a protocol for communicating meaning. Can you imagine if we had to do protocol negotiation before every conversational exchange?

Like a contract, treaty, or statute having a section of definitions at the beginning? Gosh, that'd be terrible.


Yeah it would.  At least for non asperger types who actually have thoughts/ideas to communicaite rather than nitpic on things like counting the number of "I/me" is used in a statement.
 
2013-07-17 12:38:29 PM  

shortymac: I always thought that some asexuals are simply reacting to our hypersexualized culture.

Just because you aren't interested in banging every guy you come across doesn't make you asexual.


I think that's what it is mainly. We grow up with unreal expectations in the world about sex and when we reach adulthood and we fail those expectations we think their is something wrong with us and there is nothing wrong.
 
2013-07-17 12:39:11 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Surpheon: We need a gender-neutral pronoun just so I can deal with the Pat's of the world with as little explanatory discussion as possible. Beyond that, unless you're looking to date me or my kids I don't give a fark what you think about gender.

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 240x187]

Why does that person think that passing for male requires that they pretend not to have a neck?


Necks are not binary.
Not all people are cervically definitive
Regardless of how you define necks, there are people who have both or neither.

DON'T JUDGE US!
 
2013-07-17 12:40:23 PM  

GoldSpider: Smackledorfer: How did I mischaracterize it?

As an attack on the LGBT community, for starters.


Oh yes, I am sure he loves the transgenders and their movement. He simply believes that studying gender pronouns in a sociology field prevents our math and science students from competing. Because that is totally an A or B thing, and no society could possibly handle both.

You accused me of mischaracterizing his statement, and you are being as unclear as possible regarding the specifics of your accusation. Why is that?

How about this. You tell me what you think he said.
 
2013-07-17 12:40:56 PM  

GoldSpider: MechaPyx: Seriously, would you want to be brainwashed?

I bet you're with the militant deaf who oppose cochlear implants on the grounds that they are destructive to the "deaf community".


Not really.
 
2013-07-17 12:41:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: Right, your real concern is protecting the english language from change.


You do realize that the language already has gender neutral pronouns and constructions which allow one to refer to another without the use of gendered pronouns, right? Literally no change is required to accommodate what they are asking for.

But lets say that everyone agreed that we need another set of neutral gender pronouns, which set do we choose? It's not like this is a new idea, it's been kicking around and being ridiculed for at least three decades and there are a number of different pronoun sets we could choose from. Who makes that decision and what happens when some people don't like the set which is chosen? Do we throw them all into the pit and see which set survives into general usage? Do people get to make up their own or, like in TFA, we're reduced to protocol negotiation with every social interaction?
 
2013-07-17 12:42:17 PM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "...a new generation of young people is..."

And people still insist that "Idiocracy" wasn't a documentary.


Hey, people acted like retards in the 60s too! This is just a new generation of retards that will grow up, stop being retarded, and give birth to the next generation of "socially aware" protesting retards.
 
2013-07-17 12:43:11 PM  

Theaetetus: Like a contract, treaty, or statute having a section of definitions at the beginning? Gosh, that'd be terrible.


With every conversation? Yeah, that would pretty damned cumbersome.
 
2013-07-17 12:43:49 PM  
We could start using the shortened version of "he, she, or it"h/or/sh/it.
 
2013-07-17 12:44:11 PM  
The fact that some people actually believe that everyone needs to stop, take time and understand someone's else's personal mental problem, no matter how unusual, shows just how self-absorbed and self-righteous people can be. My god, every single person on this planet has different struggles and hardships. There is not time in life to sit down and learn and understand them all. And all so you don't have to feel a little uncomfortable in certain social situations?
Sorry, special snowflake, part of life is adjusting and dealing with things that are uncomfortable and even unfair. So you're different? Great, learn to accept it on your own terms. don't expect others to adjust to you.
 
2013-07-17 12:46:06 PM  

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Note that I'm not talking about gay or tranny bashing, those are significant issues. And if you're going to claim that gender neutral pronouns will address tranny bashing be sure to show your work.

As an initial point, it may reduce the number of people using the derogatory term "tranny".


Euphemism treadmills don't work that way. The pejorative intent will follow the new term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism_treadmill#Evolution
 
2013-07-17 12:46:43 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Like a contract, treaty, or statute having a section of definitions at the beginning? Gosh, that'd be terrible.

With every conversation? Yeah, that would pretty damned cumbersome.


Unless common or previously-used definitions may be accepted as implied, unless explicitly redefined. Wouldn't that be pretty efficient and reasonable?
 
2013-07-17 12:47:01 PM  

Theaetetus: As an aside, this is a protocol negotiation, and you're a noncompliant partner. One participant has said "I wish to communicate using X definitions," and you say "No." In view of that, why should anyone continue communicating with you?


Zir is incompatible with the current protocol version. The following personal pronouns are recognized: he, her, his, hers, them, their, it, its.
 
2013-07-17 12:47:52 PM  

DGS: That's funny, you ended with exactly what I was thinking as I read this tripe.


Seems pretty logical to me honestly.  We look at people who want radical transformative surgery to be more like parrots because that's what they feel like they were supposed to be as either attention whoring douches or totally crazy, and if they DID have a beak grafted onto their face somehow, you wouldn't be likely to go ahead and start calling them parrots, or trans-avains.  You'd probably call them weird and stop hanging out with them.  Think about that guy who had a boat-load of plastic surgery to implant a bunch of whiskers and plastic inserts and such into his face so he could look like a cat:

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/sep/080908-tiger-man-surgery.htm

Like yeah it was his option to go out and get all that shiat done electively, and he can insist that people pretend he's actually become a cat or he won't be around you, but I mean... he's not a cat.  He's a crazy person who had himself really really farked up so he could look more like a cat, and I think we basically all recognize that its silly and there's probably something REALLY wrong with him.

So we're at this point where turning your face into a cat face and walking around insisting that you are a cat on the inside = ridiculous and crazy, but having your gonads removed and your genitalia chopped up and reshaped for essentially the same reason, just substituting "woman" or "man" for "Tiger" = not at all that.
 
2013-07-17 12:48:07 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: But lets say that everyone agreed that we need another set of neutral gender pronouns, which set do we choose? It's not like this is a new idea, it's been kicking around and being ridiculed for at least three decades and there are a number of different pronoun sets we could choose from. Who makes that decision and what happens when some people don't like the set which is chosen? Do we throw them all into the pit and see which set survives into general usage? Do people get to make up their own or, like in TFA, we're reduced to protocol negotiation with every social interaction?


Oh my, I hadn't thought about all those massive hurdles involved with the changing of a language over the years. Now I have to go lie down as the thought of having to deal with those terrible issues is giving me the vapors.
 
2013-07-17 12:48:15 PM  
Yes, but is it local?  Is it local?  I'll ask again:  is it local?
 
2013-07-17 12:48:53 PM  

RobSeace: CowardlyLion: Okay, so, if you're already well aware of the problems with existing English pronouns

What exactly is wrong with singular they for gender-neutral pronouns? It's got a long, well-established history of English usage... Christ, Shakespeare even used it! It works perfectly well, and I see no needs it's not fulfilling which would be better served by newly invented bullshiat words like "zee", "zim", and "zer"...


What's wrong with coming up with a new word that doesn't have an ambiguous or confusing meaning (as long as it doesn't start with a z, x, or other useless letter)?
 
2013-07-17 12:50:24 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: As an aside, this is a protocol negotiation, and you're a noncompliant partner. One participant has said "I wish to communicate using X definitions," and you say "No." In view of that, why should anyone continue communicating with you?

Zir is incompatible with the current protocol version. The following personal pronouns are recognized: he, her, his, hers, them, their, it, its.


Addendum: Hideyoshi is recognized as Hideyoshi.
 
2013-07-17 12:51:14 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: As an aside, this is a protocol negotiation, and you're a noncompliant partner. One participant has said "I wish to communicate using X definitions," and you say "No." In view of that, why should anyone continue communicating with you?

Zir is incompatible with the current protocol version. The following personal pronouns are recognized: he, her, his, hers, them, their, it, its.


Ah, you're obsolete. Gotcha.
 
2013-07-17 12:51:49 PM  
RobSeace: What exactly is wrong with singular they for gender-neutral pronouns? It's got a long, well-established history of English usage... Christ, Shakespeare even used it! It works perfectly well, and I see no needs it's not fulfilling which would be better served by newly invented bullshiat words like "zee", "zim", and "zer"...

CowardlyLion: What's wrong with coming up with a new word that doesn't have an ambiguous or confusing meaning (as long as it doesn't start with a z, x, or other useless letter)?


I guess that eliminates "queer", then.

How about "steer"?
 
2013-07-17 12:53:13 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I recognize that they're unhappy with language but until a significant number of people have their brains transplanted into genderless robot bodies I consider their complaint to be a triviality.


I say, good, sir, that I fully intend to transplant my brain into a gendered robot body.

Indeed, also one built onto the body of a gorilla.

For the lulz.
 
2013-07-17 12:55:02 PM  

pacified: How can one not have better things to do with their time than sit around and figure out how to be offended?




"Middle" class problems?
 
2013-07-17 12:56:18 PM  

Smackledorfer: Oh my, I hadn't thought about all those massive hurdles involved with the changing of a language over the years. Now I have to go lie down as the thought of having to deal with those terrible issues is giving me the vapors.


If you're going to cater to the whims of a vanishingly small group of people you should expect to be asked to cater to a similarly vanishingly small group who wants equal but distinct recognition and validation through language. I prefer Alexander's solution to that knot.
 
2013-07-17 12:57:07 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Quinsisdos: How very radical feminist of you.

Radical feminists are big fans of MTF transexuals. Once you've had the penis you've been tainted with privilege and, conversely, privileged with a taint, I guess.


Yes, i hear they LOOOOVE the males that retain their penises, cross dress and then expect to be able to hop into bed with lesbians and call the females transphobic if they don't agree to touch their "female penis". Feminists LOOOOVE it when men dress up like women and try to claim they're as oppressed as actual females.
 
2013-07-17 12:57:15 PM  
What's the point of being "dominant" if I can't force my will on others?
 
2013-07-17 12:57:23 PM  
and not a single fark was given.
 
2013-07-17 12:59:28 PM  

This text is now purple: I say, good, sir, that I fully intend to transplant my brain into a gendered robot body.

Indeed, also one built onto the body of a gorilla.

For the lulz.


th04.deviantart.net

My personal gender pronouns are "AAHGHH", "SHREEIK", and "NOOOOOO"
 
2013-07-17 12:59:33 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: CowardlyLion: Okay, so, if you're already well aware of the problems with existing English pronouns, I'm not sure why you think it's stupid for people to want pronouns to address unmet needs of English-speakers.

I consider the underlying motivation to be narcissism. This isn't an issue of a man identifying as a women because we have a pronoun for that: her. This isn't an issue of a women identifying as a man because we have a pronoun for that: her.

This is an issue for people who dislike the idea of identifying as any gender for any fixed length of time. It is a vanishingly small group of people clamoring that language be fundamentally modified to suit them. I recognize that they're unhappy with language but until a significant number of people have their brains transplanted into genderless robot bodies I consider their complaint to be a triviality.


It's also an issue for everyone who's ever written a sentence talking about a generic human being and had had to write he, she, he/she, (s)he, or his, hers, his/hers. Holy hell, it would be so nice to not have to either assume the sex of an unknown person or have a pronoun that was gender-neutral while also not dehumanizing a person (as "it" does) or introducing potential confusion (as singular "they" can).
 
2013-07-17 01:00:07 PM  

Super_pope: So we're at this point where turning your face into a cat face and walking around insisting that you are a cat on the inside = ridiculous and crazy, but having your gonads removed and your genitalia chopped up and reshaped for essentially the same reason, just substituting "woman" or "man" for "Tiger" = not at all that.


I could call both "crazy" by definition. I don't look down on "crazies" with disdain and say "fark them" though. I also see a very real difference between the catman argument and the transgender: genetics and the physical brain.  The catman isn't born, as far as we know, with part of a cat's brain. Why it is so difficult to believe, in a world where entire extra genes wind up in people in a species that should only have 26 pairs, that some people get born with an error combination of male and female, I have no idea.

Oh wait, I do: its just bigots holding on to the one of the last bits of bigotry that they don't get ostracized for. And, like every other type of bigotry issue, we have a long thread full of people citing "well, my grandma told me this about those X, so I still think that way" and "well, traditionally its X, so its gonna stay that way" and "insert false claim with shiatty science here is what I believe, so any new studies are just dumb. stupid ivory tower elite" and the most common of course 'that troubled person's life might get easier if I could be more empathetic than an insect, but he's the real asshole for asking that much out of me'

I mean seriously, much of this thread breaks down to the following:
Unlucky misfit group, "we'd feel a lot better about our trouble if x"
Bigots, "no you wouldn't, and even if you would, which you wouldn't, too bad"

Forget any science involved here, what we really have is people with troubling issues and people who are too big of assholes to just count their lucky stars they don't have those problems and cut the folks some slack.
 
2013-07-17 01:01:17 PM  

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: As an aside, this is a protocol negotiation, and you're a noncompliant partner. One participant has said "I wish to communicate using X definitions," and you say "No." In view of that, why should anyone continue communicating with you?

Zir is incompatible with the current protocol version. The following personal pronouns are recognized: he, her, his, hers, them, their, it, its.

Ah, you're obsolete. Gotcha.


Seems that way.  Nice of him to finally admit it though.
 
2013-07-17 01:02:32 PM  

CowardlyLion: It's also an issue for everyone who's ever written a sentence talking about a generic human being and had had to write he, she, he/she, (s)he, or his, hers, his/hers. Holy hell, it would be so nice to not have to either assume the sex of an unknown person or have a pronoun that was gender-neutral while also not dehumanizing a person (as "it" does) or introducing potential confusion (as singular "they" can).


One may write properly and reference neither one's gender nor another's, it simply requires that one learn proper English.
 
2013-07-17 01:05:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Theaetetus: Ah, you're obsolete. Gotcha.

Seems that way.  Nice of him to finally admit it though.


The "zir" pronoun complex was replaced in the most recent release by "Hideyoshi".
 
2013-07-17 01:06:23 PM  

here to help: And I think people are missing the point. This is more than likely being done to shove the issue to the front of the conversation. A friend of mine has been going through a REAL hard time with this exact scenario. I call her she because that's how I met her. Born a female but very androgynous and before anyone starts saying "lesbo AW! Whargharble!!1" there are severe chemical and physical differences with her. For example she could grow a beard as a teen. Imagine how f*cking terrible and confusing that would have been. She held all that gender crap in and just played the part of girl/tomboy. Dated guys and chicks but mostly just wasn't interested in sex. She hid it from most of her friends even though we are all supposedly open minded and ultra progressive people. Well a few years back she was completely breaking down because of the stress of this and started talking to doctors (who confirmed the physical gender problems) and her friends. Well apparently a lot of people were complete assholes to her about it. It was shocking considering the community. Very pro equal rights across the board but for some reason just the thought of a trans gender made them all wonky. Very disappointing. I guess I am one of the few she's been able to talk to about it and I find that heartbreaking.

So no. It's not easy for these people and this is obviously a way for them let people know who and what they are and make people talk about it instead of just squirming in their seats or waiting until they leave to talk behind their backs.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would you feel?


And would it have helped this one friend if everyone else (as in all her straight friends) wend around and introduced themselves by saying, "My name is Bob and I prefer he/him/his pronouns" or "My name is Suzy and I prefer her/she/hers pronouns"?  There is a difference between respecting someone's gender identification and everyone going around announcing it (and by everyone I mean everyone, not just straight people and not just the entire NYPD police force).  There is absolutely no need for everyone to go around and introduce themselves the way they doing were in the article.  It is just a means of people to feel smug and self important by announcing to everyone that they are supportive.  They are, in essence, doing it to draw attention to themselves, not to draw attention to the "problem."  Also, people who are suffering from "gender confusion" need to lighten up.  If, for example, you dress like a man, act like a man, and have a man's name then you have to expect people to call you he or him.  If you do not like it then kindly correct them.  But do not get upset.  It is the norm among society.  They are not doing it to be disrespectful.  Also, if you just arbitrarily decide to make up some pronoun (such as "ou") then expect to get mocked, because now you are just be pretentious.
 
2013-07-17 01:06:50 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Heron: I have literally never seen or heard a trans or queer-gendered person make this argument(though perhaps that just means I don't traffic with jerks). The only people I've ever seen make it are social conservatives who feel the social pressure to be polite to another human as a huge imposition upon them and try to make it seem ridiculous as a result.

I wasted one night a year listening to a group of LGBT people on a social justice committee do precisely what I implied i.e. obsess about how they are treated socially and ignore that there are people with actual life threatening issues. Maybe you'd like to scroll back to my little tangent into "cool story bro" time. That experience irrevocably altered how I view anyone attempting to "raise awareness" for an issue that is not directly life threatening.

What you're saying is really no different than harassers calling out women for "causing a scene" by objecting to being manhandled by strangers in public, or immigrants as "traitorous" and "nationalist" for having pride in where they're from, or black folks as being "hypocrites" for objecting to white folks using certain words that some AAs sometimes use to refer to each other.

This is bullshiat, plain and simple. The fact that you don't seem to be able to distinguish between actual harassment or assault and failing to cater to the whims of another regarding how they would like to be addressed is the clearest indication that you have lost all perspective. I do make that distinction. I distinguish physical pain, hunger, and legitimate fear for one's life from having one's feelings hurt or being socially awkward.


So a 41% attempted suicide rate isn't life threatening enough for you? Or you know our disproportionately high murder rate?  Our choices are to either transition and find some kind of peace in life while still being high risk for assault or murder. Or to not transition and be very high risk of suicide. It's unfortunate you can't see past your own opinion. People like you are the reason trans people are at high risk for suicide and murder because you try to marginalize people like me for just being ourselves and trying to find peace within our own bodies. It's not about hurt feelings and being socially awkward, it's about living life without fear of harassment and intimidation.
 
2013-07-17 01:08:21 PM  

Smackledorfer: Why it is so difficult to believe, in a world where entire extra genes wind up in people in a species that should only have 26 pairs, that some people get born with an error combination of male and female, I have no idea.


It's a very scary proposition for some people because it suggests that gender is *not* a social construct and that instead there may be significant cognitive differences between men and women due to biology. This in turn could have some very inconvenient ramifications (for example, the concepts that "boys are better at math" or "women are better nurturers" may not be as sexist as some people desperately want to believe). I think this is part of the reason why feminists tend to hate trans-gendered people, as their very existence flies in the face of their indoctrinated beliefs.
 
2013-07-17 01:08:38 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: CowardlyLion: It's also an issue for everyone who's ever written a sentence talking about a generic human being and had had to write he, she, he/she, (s)he, or his, hers, his/hers. Holy hell, it would be so nice to not have to either assume the sex of an unknown person or have a pronoun that was gender-neutral while also not dehumanizing a person (as "it" does) or introducing potential confusion (as singular "they" can).

One may write properly and reference neither one's gender nor another's, it simply requires that one learn proper English.


Yes, because using "one" constantly and sounding like a British villain is a great alternative and totally not going to distract any audiences.
 
2013-07-17 01:08:54 PM  

willfullyobscure: Yes, i hear they LOOOOVE the males that retain their penises, cross dress and then expect to be able to hop into bed with lesbians and call the females transphobic if they don't agree to touch their "female penis".


Isn't the important thing that they identify as female? So what if they love other women in the same way as a cis-gendered lesbian?

Feminists LOOOOVE it when men dress up like women and try to claim they're as oppressed as actual females.

I think you may have stumbled onto the problem. Oppression is a valuable commodity. Can't have the wrong people claiming it, can we?
 
2013-07-17 01:09:04 PM  

alice_600: Wow! How bigoted of you to point that out. Let me guess you also believe in thin privilege and that heterosexual anything is rape. So what else did you blindly believe in your women's studies classes taught by your hysterically insane professor?


Jees, take the blue pill.
 
2013-07-17 01:09:43 PM  

Aulus: OK, maybe it's because I am hetero and in  my mid-sixties, but were I in such a situation and someone I had never met chose to introduce themself that way, I'd get up and walk out.

Look, I do not care how you conduct yourself gender or sexual wise in private, but do not feel the need to slap me in the face with it when we are not interacting intimately and/or in public and especially if we have never met and are unlikely to in the future.

IOW, STFU and act like an adult.


It's not like you're getting slapped in a face with a cock, fer chrissakes.

Lighten up. Uh oh, mature 60-ish year old man is uncomfortable with something he's unfamiliar with... That's a real newsflash.
 
2013-07-17 01:10:27 PM  

ch13fwiggum: Aulus: OK, maybe it's because I am hetero and in  my mid-sixties, but were I in such a situation and someone I had never met chose to introduce themself that way, I'd get up and walk out.

Look, I do not care how you conduct yourself gender or sexual wise in private, but do not feel the need to slap me in the face with it when we are not interacting intimately and/or in public and especially if we have never met and are unlikely to in the future.

IOW, STFU and act like an adult.

It's not like you're getting slapped in a face with a cock, fer chrissakes.

Lighten up. Uh oh, mature 60-ish year old man is uncomfortable with something he's unfamiliar with... That's a real newsflash.


How very ageist of you.
 
2013-07-17 01:10:52 PM  

Smackledorfer: How about this. You tell me what you think he said.


That we're wasting our collective brainpower on solving contrived problems while the rest of world surpasses us on solving real ones.
 
2013-07-17 01:11:59 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think you may have stumbled onto the problem. Oppression is a valuable commodity. Can't have the wrong people claiming it, can we?


Real-world economics meets victimhood: value in scarcity.
 
2013-07-17 01:12:22 PM  

CowardlyLion: Yes, because using "one" constantly and sounding like a British villain is a great alternative and totally not going to distract any audiences.


As opposed to sounding like ze Austrian villain?
 
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