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(NPR)   Hello, and welcome to Olive Garden. My name is Snowflake, and I'll be your genderqueer postgrad waitron this evening. I'll tell you our specials in a moment, but first, let me tell you that my preferred gender pronoun for tonight is   (npr.org) divider line 734
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2013-07-17 10:29:37 AM

Wingchild: I find this discussion ephemeral, its proponents a bore, and the end-result generally underwhelming. The role of language it to provide a framework for communication under which we can all agree that certain sounds represent certain concepts. People like to fark with it in the hopes that changing the framework will change reality around to a new configuration. (This doesn't happen, historically, but people like to dream.)

If the argument is that pronouns are just labels, and humans label things however they want, so you can use whatever pronoun you want to refer to yourself, whether it's he or her or ou or zee or shim or anything -- cool. I'm totally fine with it. Enjoy yourself. But recognize you're working at destroying the framework of the language we use to refer to one another and that this will make future communication quite complicated. Perhaps complex communication is what you're after. That's also cool, but if you're that hung up on pronouns I suspect that you're a boring coont and not someone worth talking to in the first place.

Don't get upset at me thinking you're a boring coont. It's just a label. Humans label things however they want. That's my label for people hung up on their pronouns. Boring coonts, be they boy-coonts or girl-coonts or ou-coonts or zee-coonts or gender-fluid-coonts.

That's my solution. You needed a custom non-cis-gender-confirming pronoun to properly express yourself? You're lumped into the 'coont' category. A coontegory, if you will. I can make new labels, too. I certainly mean no offense and trust you'll respect my unique perspective on this. After all, we're all human, at least 'til you find new words to describe that state of being, too.

/I once saw someone write that they were cool with anyone, even a omnisexual gender-queer species-fluid trans-bovine, as long as this individual shows up for work on time.
//They moo no offense, of course.


Agreed, tell them if they don't like the pronouns then they don't get to use them.  They can no longer call themselves "I" , instead they are sentenced to referring themselves in the third person for the rest of their lives.  It's easier to spot them that way.  When they are in groups, they must come up with a formal name for their group.
 
2013-07-17 10:32:51 AM
Rapmaster2000: "I'm pretty certain we will invent new neutral and non-neutral pronouns whether we like it or not. Language evolves."

Of course it will evolve.
If it didn't evolve, there'd be no point in talking about any possible change in pronoun use.

But mutations 'take' or don't, based not only on emotional response from the community, but also on lingual fitness: does this communicate the idea effectively, or not?

And formal language is a subset of language based on what groups of communities can agree upon. So even though "language evolves", there's value in discussing fitness characteristics of given mutations, particularly as relates to what might get adopted into formal usage.
 
2013-07-17 10:34:07 AM

Theaetetus: Traits and signs of narcissism:
An obvious self-focus in interpersonal relationships
Difficulty with empathy
Hypersensitivity
Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people

... I think what we're really talking about is projection.


Seriously, go back and read my little CSB time about my experience with my former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell me that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell me again that I'm the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.
 
2013-07-17 10:34:25 AM
I'm trying to think of a situation in which I would direct a personal gender pronoun at the person to whom it refers.

"Hey, bro, did you get a look at her?"
"I'm not a 'her,' I'm a 'zer'."
"Who the fark was talking to you?"
 
2013-07-17 10:34:57 AM

halB: I spent three years trying to get people to say "shway" instead of "cool."

Never took off.  Just like Batman Beyond.

So good luck!


Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
 
2013-07-17 10:35:48 AM

Fromageball: The Muthaship: That reminds me of the lady I went to law school with who dressed her son in girls clothes half the time. She took offense when I told her that was the recipe for making a serial killer.

/he'd be about 23 now
//I hope he started with her

Did the kid want to dress in girl clothes or did the mom just decide to do it?
b/c if the kid wanted it, fine. If the kid didn't want it...wtf?!

Sometimes I feel sorry for men with their restrictive dress choices...especially now in the summer when I can get away with wearing pretty much whatever I want(especially since a lot of workplaces are changing their dress codes...it's like as a woman I can wear whatever the hell I want -within reason) but the men are still stuck in their button-downs and trousers.


I'm an office worker. I wear jeans and t-shirt every day. Don't get the while dress pants thing.
 
2013-07-17 10:36:28 AM

lack of warmth: Agreed, tell them if they don't like the pronouns then they don't get to use them.  They can no longer call themselves "I" , instead they are sentenced to referring themselves in the third person for the rest of their lives.  It's easier to spot them that way.


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A man agrees.
 
2013-07-17 10:36:59 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: Oh no. Young people are exploring new ways of thinking! They must be stopped!

More like "young people are exploring largely pointless and unproductive ways of thinking rather than making any effort to address actual issues of human suffering".


Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.
 
2013-07-17 10:37:44 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Traits and signs of narcissism:
An obvious self-focus in interpersonal relationships
Difficulty with empathy
Hypersensitivity
Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people

... I think what we're really talking about is projection.

Seriously, go back and read my little CSB time about my experience with my former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell me that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell me again that I'm the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.


I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.
 
2013-07-17 10:38:34 AM

thurstonxhowell: liam76: The article is abotu shifting pronoun "thing". they may very well face problems because of how they lok/dress etc, but that is all outside of the shifting pronoun thing. You know the popint of the article. If you are making up pronouns, and changing what you want to be called daily, yes you are doing it to yourself, and yes the "marginilization" that coems fromt hat is all your own doing.

Oh no. Young people are exploring new ways of thinking! They must be stopped!


Annoying other people by special and changing requests for how to be adressed is in no way new.

And I never said they must be stopped, I simply pointed out that their behavoir causes thier problems.

But thanks for playing.


here to help: We know, liam. We know


You are a pathetic little girlzee.

FTFM, don't want to get you upset.

Carry on crying abotu the marginilization of the poor peopel who are surrounded by the evil opressors who don;t begin every daily interaction by inquiring what the gender pronoun of the day is.
 
2013-07-17 10:38:48 AM

SonOfSpam: If you're no particular gender then you won't mind if I kick you in the balls, will you?


You are conflating gender with sex. Also misandrist transphobia.
 
2013-07-17 10:38:49 AM

UNC_Samurai: bighairyguy: If that happened to me at Olive Garden, I'd say: "Your gender pronoun is I didn't come here for a lecture, keeping your farking breadsticks, I'm going next door to Red Lobster. "

You takin' her to Red Lobster with the cheddar biscuits? The fam ain't eatin' cheddar biscuits, but this random broad is eatin' cheddar biscuits?


I'm just sayin' why can't I give her cash and biatch can go get some damn groceries.

/just what I need at work, Boondock quotes.
 
2013-07-17 10:38:58 AM

sethen320: Fromageball: The Muthaship: That reminds me of the lady I went to law school with who dressed her son in girls clothes half the time. She took offense when I told her that was the recipe for making a serial killer.

/he'd be about 23 now
//I hope he started with her

Did the kid want to dress in girl clothes or did the mom just decide to do it?
b/c if the kid wanted it, fine. If the kid didn't want it...wtf?!

Sometimes I feel sorry for men with their restrictive dress choices...especially now in the summer when I can get away with wearing pretty much whatever I want(especially since a lot of workplaces are changing their dress codes...it's like as a woman I can wear whatever the hell I want -within reason) but the men are still stuck in their button-downs and trousers.

I'm an office worker. I wear jeans and t-shirt every day. Don't get the while dress pants thing.


You are the exception, not the rule.  Business casual is the minimal standard in most office environments, and "no jeans/sneakers/tshirts" is the first rule of biz casual.
 
2013-07-17 10:39:36 AM
We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer.

You may want that, doesn't mean it's going to happen. You can't just invent your own language, precious.
 
2013-07-17 10:41:21 AM

Badgerlad: You may want that, doesn't mean it's going to happen. You can't just invent your own language, precious


Careful, now you will be labeled an intolerant bigot, and ridiculed for not supporting "a new way of thinking".
 
2013-07-17 10:42:19 AM

mrshowrules: Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: Oh no. Young people are exploring new ways of thinking! They must be stopped!

More like "young people are exploring largely pointless and unproductive ways of thinking rather than making any effort to address actual issues of human suffering".

Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.


At the bottom of the goddamned priority list though, far lower than slavery, poverty, war, education, disease, etc etc.
 
2013-07-17 10:42:34 AM

alice_600: Akbar the Trappiste Monk: here to help: And I think people are missing the point. This is more than likely being done to shove the issue to the front of the conversation. A friend of mine has been going through a REAL hard time with this exact scenario. I call her she because that's how I met her. Born a female but very androgynous and before anyone starts saying "lesbo AW! Whargharble!!1" there are severe chemical and physical differences with her. For example she could grow a beard as a teen. Imagine how f*cking terrible and confusing that would have been. She held all that gender crap in and just played the part of girl/tomboy. Dated guys and chicks but mostly just wasn't interested in sex. She hid it from most of her friends even though we are all supposedly open minded and ultra progressive people. Well a few years back she was completely breaking down because of the stress of this and started talking to doctors (who confirmed the physical gender problems) and her friends. Well apparently a lot of people were complete assholes to her about it. It was shocking considering the community. Very pro equal rights across the board but for some reason just the thought of a trans gender made them all wonky. Very disappointing. I guess I am one of the few she's been able to talk to about it and I find that heartbreaking.

So no. It's not easy for these people and this is obviously a way for them let people know who and what they are and make people talk about it instead of just squirming in their seats or waiting until they leave to talk behind their backs.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would you feel?

I would feel FABULOUS!

I would also get work blood work and check to see if I had any hormone imbalances that needed to be addressed. Asexuality isn't real to many because well that's what we're programmed to do in our DNA is to procreate. Many claim to be A sexual but it's more a cover for our own fears of having sex for the first time since western civilization p ...


I always thought that some asexuals are simply reacting to our hypersexualized culture.

Just because you aren't interested in banging every guy you come across doesn't make you asexual.
 
2013-07-17 10:43:29 AM

mrshowrules: Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.


Is it like hunger or exposure? Can you die from it? I'm pretty sure that after a week and a half without a proper meal they'd be happy to be called anything if they could get something to eat.

Yes, social discomfort is a form of suffering but it's a relatively minor one. Note that I'm not talking about gay or tranny bashing, those are significant issues. And if you're going to claim that gender neutral pronouns will address tranny bashing be sure to show your work.
 
2013-07-17 10:44:33 AM

Theaetetus: I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.


Wow, it's almost as if you're invalidating my experience in an attempt to silence me.
 
2013-07-17 10:46:07 AM
Should also apply to race. I always wanted to be an Eskimo for a day.
 
2013-07-17 10:47:51 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.

Wow, it's almost as if you're invalidating my experience in an attempt to silence me.


For someone constantly complaining about narcissism, you sure do focus a lot on what's allegedly happening to you.
 
2013-07-17 10:48:16 AM

ringersol: Rapmaster2000: "I'm pretty certain we will invent new neutral and non-neutral pronouns whether we like it or not. Language evolves."

Of course it will evolve.
If it didn't evolve, there'd be no point in talking about any possible change in pronoun use.

But mutations 'take' or don't, based not only on emotional response from the community, but also on lingual fitness: does this communicate the idea effectively, or not?

And formal language is a subset of language based on what groups of communities can agree upon. So even though "language evolves", there's value in discussing fitness characteristics of given mutations, particularly as relates to what might get adopted into formal usage.


Totes, bro.  I'm like whatevs about the whole shebang.
 
2013-07-17 10:48:44 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Note that I'm not talking about gay or tranny bashing, those are significant issues. And if you're going to claim that gender neutral pronouns will address tranny bashing be sure to show your work.


As an initial point, it may reduce the number of people using the derogatory term "tranny".
 
2013-07-17 10:49:08 AM

liam76: Carry on crying abotu the marginilization of the poor peopel who are surrounded by the evil opressors who don;t begin every daily interaction by inquiring what the gender pronoun of the day is.


lol... look how agry you are. Just look!

Personally I do think it's a little silly but if that's how they want to live their lives what the hell does it matter to you? It is very unlikely you'll ever encounter this and if you do you can just choose not to participate or simply walk away.

Simplz.
 
2013-07-17 10:50:01 AM

Theaetetus: Seriously, go back and read my little CSB time about my experience with my former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell me that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell me again that I'm the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.

I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.


You know what... fark it.

Seriously, go back and read one's little CSB time about ones's experience with one's former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell this one that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell this one again that it is the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.

A year of discussing an event to raise awareness for LGBT issues with no event ever held and no other good done for the community. All other discussions tabled until the awareness event was finalized. This is, apparently, a good thing.
 
2013-07-17 10:51:21 AM
You reserve the right to be offended...I reserve the right to not care. Im all in favor of gender equality but we take it too far sometimes. You can't eliminate the word "man" from everywhere it appears and expect things to improve and anyone who explains their "prononun prefrence" as part of introducing themselves is as self involved as A Pimp Named Slickback...please say the whole thing, yes every time.
 
2013-07-17 10:51:29 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: be sure to show your work


It would take a book just to deconstruct the terminology. Giving bigots a model for social communication with non-binary gender presenting individuals would help reduce violence.
 
2013-07-17 10:51:34 AM

Theaetetus: For someone constantly complaining about narcissism, you sure do focus a lot on what's allegedly happening to you.


Yep, its narcissism for him to talk about what he believes is a story relevant to this issue that involves his personal experiences.  Way to go through all the times he said, "me," when talking about or discussing something that happened to him and highlight them all to make yourself look like a douche, then pat yourself on the back for it.
 
2013-07-17 10:52:23 AM

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Seriously, go back and read my little CSB time about my experience with my former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell me that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell me again that I'm the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.

I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.


2/16 is much more frequent than 5/66...


By your little "narcississt" metric (use of me or I), you do realize you are a greater offender, right?
 
2013-07-17 10:52:49 AM

ox45tallboy: DrPainMD: I couldn't agree more, but, since the internet never forgets and I see the direction the forces of political correctness are going, I'm going to have to say, "Stop being such a close-minded, intolerant bigot."

There. Now, in twenty years, I will be hailed as a progressive thinker who was ahead of his time, and you will be lumped in with Limbaugh, Beck, Gingrich and Stalin. Won't that be fun?

Actually, in his younger days, before the Teddy Roosevelt 'stache, Stalin... well, you be the judge.


Hmmm....
 
2013-07-17 10:53:22 AM

Theaetetus: As an initial point, it may reduce the number of people using the derogatory term "tranny".


Funny, the transgender F2M that married my wife and I and her M2F bridesmaid don't seem to have a problem with the term.

But please, what is the socially acceptable term for "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender"? I certainly don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities when discussing "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender".
 
2013-07-17 10:53:59 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Seriously, go back and read my little CSB time about my experience with my former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell me that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell me again that I'm the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.

I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.

You know what... fark it.

Seriously, go back and read one's little CSB time about ones's experience with one's former church's social justice committee. Then come back and tell this one that the year was well spent by everyone involved and that 52 hour and a half discussions with not a single person fed, clothed, or sheltered was a good thing. Then tell this one again that it is the narcissist for viewing people complaining about what pronoun they are addressed with as trivial and narcissistic.

A year of discussing an event to raise awareness for LGBT issues with no event ever held and no other good done for the community. All other discussions tabled until the awareness event was finalized. This is, apparently, a good thing.


How many people have the NRA fed, clothed, and sheltered? Why doesn't Oxfam address the racial disparities in drug possession sentences? How come the Salvation Army hasn't taken any steps to address cyberbullying? Perhaps organizations need not all focus on the exact same issues?
 
2013-07-17 10:54:40 AM

Lexx: mrshowrules: Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: Oh no. Young people are exploring new ways of thinking! They must be stopped!

More like "young people are exploring largely pointless and unproductive ways of thinking rather than making any effort to address actual issues of human suffering".

Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.

At the bottom of the goddamned priority list though, far lower than slavery, poverty, war, education, disease, etc etc.


For the person suffering it, it may be at the top of their list.  I never heard the rule that bigger problems had to be solved before smaller problems could be looked at.

I'm sure ending slavery was not considered a priority at the time either.
 
2013-07-17 10:54:40 AM

Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.

Wow, it's almost as if you're invalidating my experience in an attempt to silence me.

For someone constantly complaining about narcissism, you sure do focus a lot on what's allegedly happening to you.


Just attempting to communicate my experience. Why do you insist on derailing and marginalizing that experience?
 
2013-07-17 10:55:04 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: CowardlyLion: Thanks for totally clearing that up with your brilliant explanation.

I would have thought it was self explanatory which is why I didn't write you a farking dissertation but apparently you're a little slow.

The referenced statement "...a new generation of young people is..." implies that insistence on personal pronouns is a fad among younger people. This fad is, on its face, idiotic as we already have gender neutral pronouns and honestly, this only affects a tiny but easily offended fraction of the population. The implication is that since "young people" are obsessed with these trivialities, they are an example of successive generations getting dumber which was the core premise of Idiocracy.

Thank you for helping to demonstrate that Idiocracy was, if not a documentary, prophecy.


hey gaiz whats this thred?
 
2013-07-17 10:55:55 AM
Be whatever you like.  But if you give me a list of things to call you, i'm going to ignore those and just call you Asshole.
 
2013-07-17 10:56:38 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: As an initial point, it may reduce the number of people using the derogatory term "tranny".

Funny, the transgender F2M that married my wife and I and her M2F bridesmaid don't seem to have a problem with the term.

But please, what is the socially acceptable term for "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender"? I certainly don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities when discussing "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender".


Is there something wrong with "criminals", "perpetrators of a hate crime", or even "domestic terrorists"?
 
2013-07-17 10:57:02 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: But please, what is the socially acceptable term for "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender"? I certainly don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities when discussing "people beating the shiat out of transgender people for being transgender".


You don't get to talk about that cause you're cis.  You are to be told your position by the minority in question, recognize that you cannot possibly add anything to the conversation because you are not, "X group that faces oppression," and then nod your head and say something vaguely affirmative.
 
2013-07-17 10:57:04 AM

Theaetetus: How many people have the NRA fed, clothed, and sheltered? Why doesn't Oxfam address the racial disparities in drug possession sentences? How come the Salvation Army hasn't taken any steps to address cyberbullying? Perhaps organizations need not all focus on the exact same issues?


So you're saying a church social justice committee should not be interested in feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, and sheltering the abused? I have to say, that's a decidedly odd stance to take.

What precisely do you think social justice is?
 
2013-07-17 10:57:39 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: I don't want to upset you, so feel free to pretend that I've done exactly that.

Wow, it's almost as if you're invalidating my experience in an attempt to silence me.

For someone constantly complaining about narcissism, you sure do focus a lot on what's allegedly happening to you.

Just attempting to communicate my experience. Why do you insist on derailing and marginalizing that experience?


At no time have I done that. What I have done is point out that your constant calls of "narcissism" may be unintentional projection of your own psychological disorder. Frankly, I feel nothing but sympathy for you, friend.
 
2013-07-17 10:58:19 AM

here to help: lol... look how agry you are. Just look!


Angry?

I didn't take the time to type soemthing out and attemt to attribute it to somebody else.


here to help: Personally I do think it's a little silly


Really, because a few posts ago you were saying how marginilized these people who make up gender pronouns are, now they are silly?

Do you often think the issues of marganliized people are silly?  Or maybe you want to admit I was right?


here to help: what the hell does it matter to you?


Very little.  If some coont asked me to use a made up pronoun for them I would have nothing to do with them, or at the very least not play their little game.

Now maybe the earlier response above clued you in, but my problem isn't so much what these dipshiats are doing, I don't give a fark.  My problem is peopel like you claiming they are marginilized and putting on the same level as TG.  Which does a make a joke of their struggle.
 
2013-07-17 10:58:34 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Theaetetus: How many people have the NRA fed, clothed, and sheltered? Why doesn't Oxfam address the racial disparities in drug possession sentences? How come the Salvation Army hasn't taken any steps to address cyberbullying? Perhaps organizations need not all focus on the exact same issues?

So you're saying a church social justice committee should not be interested in feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, and sheltering the abused? I have to say, that's a decidedly odd stance to take.


If I was saying that, you'd be able to quote me saying that. Since you are unable to, I wonder where you're getting this odd idea. Do you frequently hear voices that aren't there?
 
2013-07-17 10:58:44 AM
old people: the future is scary.

fark thread complete.
 
2013-07-17 10:59:05 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: What precisely do you think social justice is?


Being intentionally obtuse with people you've never met because you're an asshole, apparently.

/Has never seen someone more socially just that Theaetus when those words are used in that context
 
2013-07-17 10:59:25 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: mrshowrules: Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.

Is it like hunger or exposure? Can you die from it? I'm pretty sure that after a week and a half without a proper meal they'd be happy to be called anything if they could get something to eat.

Yes, social discomfort is a form of suffering but it's a relatively minor one. Note that I'm not talking about gay or tranny bashing, those are significant issues. And if you're going to claim that gender neutral pronouns will address tranny bashing be sure to show your work.


It isn't minor for the person suffering it.  Word/language can have a societal impact.  Think of the term "boy" for instance.   That one is loaded.
 
2013-07-17 11:00:34 AM

theflatline: I am open minded, friend of hetero,homo, confused, intersexed, and whatever gender assignment you are calling yourself.

As long as I do not have to hear about it all the damn time I could care less


This is what the whole LGBTASOetc. controversy comes down to for me. If I'm not trying to have sex with you, why on earth would it matter to me what your sexual interests are?
 
2013-07-17 11:01:16 AM

mrshowrules: Lexx: mrshowrules: Monkeyhouse Zendo: thurstonxhowell: Oh no. Young people are exploring new ways of thinking! They must be stopped!

More like "young people are exploring largely pointless and unproductive ways of thinking rather than making any effort to address actual issues of human suffering".

Stigma associated with gender identity issues is a form of human suffering.

At the bottom of the goddamned priority list though, far lower than slavery, poverty, war, education, disease, etc etc.

For the person suffering it, it may be at the top of their list.  I never heard the rule that bigger problems had to be solved before smaller problems could be looked at.

I'm sure ending slavery was not considered a priority at the time either.


Bigger problems don't have to be solved before smaller ones are looked at.  But "pick your battles" is always good advice.
 
2013-07-17 11:01:29 AM

xcv: [media.tumblr.com image 467x644]


The funniest part of that is that they list "homosexual" twice...

/They like homosexuals...
 
2013-07-17 11:01:32 AM

Theaetetus: Is there something wrong with "criminals", "perpetrators of a hate crime", or even "domestic terrorists"?


Domestic terrorists? Okay, never mind, I'm just going to let it go.

If you want to erase all distinctions between various forms of crime and refer to them all as "crime" without specifying what act is criminal then be my guest. I tend to like language which is specific and direct which is why I use "tranny bashing" rather than "crime" or even "assault". It carries with it an immediacy and weight which is washed out by more generic terms.
 
2013-07-17 11:01:58 AM

MrBallou: theflatline: I am open minded, friend of hetero,homo, confused, intersexed, and whatever gender assignment you are calling yourself.

As long as I do not have to hear about it all the damn time I could care less

This is what the whole LGBTASOetc. controversy comes down to for me. If I'm not trying to have sex with you, why on earth would it matter to me what your sexual interests are?


Gender identity is not the same as sexual preference.
 
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