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2013-07-17 09:29:25 AM

DrPainMD: FTA: "...a new generation of young people is..."

And people still insist that "Idiocracy" wasn't a documentary.


Okay, I'll bite. What about that quote has anything to do with Idiocracy?
 
2013-07-17 09:29:44 AM

proteus_b: TV's Vinnie: Of all the politically correct bullsh*t words out there, "waitron" has to be one of the bullshiattiest.

Chill, I think subby made up waitron, in jest of the article...


Sadly, no. "Waitron" really is a word that the PC puckerbutts have been trying to force down our throats since the 80's.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/waitron
 
2013-07-17 09:31:15 AM

here to help: And I think people are missing the point. This is more than likely being done to shove the issue to the front of the conversation. A friend of mine has been going through a REAL hard time with this exact scenario. I call her she because that's how I met her. Born a female but very androgynous and before anyone starts saying "lesbo AW! Whargharble!!1" there are severe chemical and physical differences with her. For example she could grow a beard as a teen. Imagine how f*cking terrible and confusing that would have been. She held all that gender crap in and just played the part of girl/tomboy. Dated guys and chicks but mostly just wasn't interested in sex. She hid it from most of her friends even though we are all supposedly open minded and ultra progressive people. Well a few years back she was completely breaking down because of the stress of this and started talking to doctors (who confirmed the physical gender problems) and her friends. Well apparently a lot of people were complete assholes to her about it. It was shocking considering the community. Very pro equal rights across the board but for some reason just the thought of a trans gender made them all wonky. Very disappointing. I guess I am one of the few she's been able to talk to about it and I find that heartbreaking.

So no. It's not easy for these people and this is obviously a way for them let people know who and what they are and make people talk about it instead of just squirming in their seats or waiting until they leave to talk behind their backs.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would you feel?


I would feel FABULOUS!
 
2013-07-17 09:32:23 AM

ph0rk: I have plenty of empathy (well, okay, some). I don't tend to waste it on those that make a point of disregarding what is a real problem, and especially those that make a thinly-veiled reference to how hard they may have it as justification for ignoring the problems of others. That is no different than FYIGM, you just don't have it painted on a yacht.


Holy mother of dog, THIS!

"Sure people may be hungry, or homeless, or abused but I sometimes identify as an unspecified non-gender binary way and feel isolated by the use of gendered pronouns. I'll get around to helping the hungry, homeless, and abused once my own personal battle is won!"
 
2013-07-17 09:32:57 AM

TV's Vinnie: proteus_b: TV's Vinnie: Of all the politically correct bullsh*t words out there, "waitron" has to be one of the bullshiattiest.

Chill, I think subby made up waitron, in jest of the article...

Sadly, no. "Waitron" really is a word that the PC puckerbutts have been trying to force down our throats since the 80's.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/waitron


This is the first I've heard of it.  In Canada, it's usually "My name is _____ and I'll be your server tonight".

Server = one who serves food.  Waitron = robot who waits?
 
2013-07-17 09:33:25 AM
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2013-07-17 09:33:57 AM

CowardlyLion: DrPainMD: FTA: "...a new generation of young people is..."

And people still insist that "Idiocracy" wasn't a documentary.

Okay, I'll bite. What about that quote has anything to do with Idiocracy?


I'll take "It's Idiotic" for $500, Alex.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 09:34:11 AM

Joe Blowme: Obviously seriously confused people, i feel sorry for them. Makes you wonder WTF happened during their prenatal development that caused this affliction. Like Autism, we may never know.


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2013-07-17 09:34:21 AM
I'm fed up with this transgendered BS. you are what you were born as. Surgery is not the answer--professional mental health. If you were born with boy parts, you are male. If you have girl parts, female. There is nothign wrong with you. You are great as you are, and do not need to multilate your body (or make everyone else join in your delusion).   There's a very few genetic abnormalities that result in a miniscule percentage being born with some combination of male/female sexual characteristics and those are the few that may indeed need surgery, if they wish, but that is no reason to suddenly pretend gender is a choice. Deal with it. What farking idiocy....
 
2013-07-17 09:34:58 AM
Lexx: "Your position basically equates people who don't fall into the gender binary as having a disability."

No, it acknowledges that people who are different from the majority are different from the majority. Just as a gay person is different from the majority yet we don't go around stating whether we're homo-, hetero-, bi-, pan-, whatever-sexual at introductions, to avoid anyone feeling uncomfortable about people making the wrong assumption about who they are.

I realize people are sensitive about having their different-ness put under a microscope (in certain situations) as 'different' is often code for 'lesser' or 'bad' among bigots. But the undesirable reactions are not due the way we do or don't acknowledge our differences. It's due the bigotry that has nothing to do with how we introduce ourselves. And changing how we introduce ourselves does nothing about the bigotry.
 
2013-07-17 09:35:26 AM

Badgers: [i.imgur.com image 202x265]


I think I will identify my gender on official documents as "Canadian Applicant" from here on out. Comedy demands it, and the gods are not mocked.
 
2013-07-17 09:35:43 AM

Aulus: OK, maybe it's because I am hetero and in  my mid-sixties, but were I in such a situation and someone I had never met chose to introduce themself that way, I'd get up and walk out.

Look, I do not care how you conduct yourself gender or sexual wise in private, but do not feel the need to slap me in the face with it when we are not interacting intimately and/or in public and especially if we have never met and are unlikely to in the future.

IOW, STFU and act like an adult.


Congrats, you've somehow made yourself more obnoxious than the hypothetical person you're referring to. If someone claims they're gender-neutral, I don't really get that, but I'll treat them with the same respect I would anyone. Don't tell other people to act like adults and then be petulant by walking out on folks.
 
2013-07-17 09:36:00 AM
blah blah blah -- didn't read the article. do not care.

Look like a dude:  I call you a "he"

Look like a lady: I call you a "she"

Dude looks like a lady: I call you ugly and or a freak.

I just don't care about them or their weird ass feelings. If we cater to this bullshiat sooner or later we are going to have 50 different categories of gender because we have to cater to EVERYONE's retarded bullshiat life story.
 
2013-07-17 09:36:32 AM

Bontesla: Jim_Callahan: While I wasn't raised in a barn, so I can in public basically call anyone whatever they ask to be called by with a straight face, I have to admit that every time someone makes a big deal out of being identified by their obvious biological gender (or getting annoyed when you mess it up, in the case of androgynous people) my actual unspoken reaction is basically "Oh my god who the hell cares".

If shiat like this actually catches on (probably won't) I'll learn it because etiquette is a life skill, but don't expect me to use it outside of formal venues.  PC crap is and always has been an artificial waste of time that conceals an underlying problem instead of or even at the expense of actually fixing it.

You don't care because you don't struggle with it. You take it for granted.

I know of an incredibly brave person who was born a man but just announced their desire to begin the process of gender reassignment. 56 years of being referred to as the wrong gender can wear a person down.

We tend to think of something as less important if it's not something we struggle with.


Yeah tell him or her how the surgery makes you just lose all feeling down there so sex isn't pleasurable any more.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 09:36:32 AM

incrdbil: I'm fed up with this transgendered BS. you are what you were born as. Surgery is not the answer--professional mental health. If you were born with boy parts, you are male. If you have girl parts, female. There is nothign wrong with you. You are great as you are, and do not need to multilate your body (or make everyone else join in your delusion).   There's a very few genetic abnormalities that result in a miniscule percentage being born with some combination of male/female sexual characteristics and those are the few that may indeed need surgery, if they wish, but that is no reason to suddenly pretend gender is a choice. Deal with it. What farking idiocy....


That's funny, you ended with exactly what I was thinking as I read this tripe.
 
2013-07-17 09:37:06 AM

ringersol: Lexx: "Your position basically equates people who don't fall into the gender binary as having a disability."

No, it acknowledges that people who are different from the majority are different from the majority. Just as a gay person is different from the majority yet we don't go around stating whether we're homo-, hetero-, bi-, pan-, whatever-sexual at introductions, to avoid anyone feeling uncomfortable about people making the wrong assumption about who they are.

I realize people are sensitive about having their different-ness put under a microscope (in certain situations) as 'different' is often code for 'lesser' or 'bad' among bigots. But the undesirable reactions are not due the way we do or don't acknowledge our differences. It's due the bigotry that has nothing to do with how we introduce ourselves. And changing how we introduce ourselves does nothing about the bigotry.


It was the fact you used disabled individuals as a comparison.

But yeah, what these people are trying to do is eliminate normative assumptions and a "default" state of gender recognition.  They will fail.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 09:37:37 AM

accelerus: blah blah blah -- didn't read the article. do not care.

Look like a dude:  I call you a "he"

Look like a lady: I call you a "she"

Dude looks like a lady: I call you ugly and or a freak.

I just don't care about them or their weird ass feelings. If we cater to this bullshiat sooner or later we are going to have 50 different categories of gender because we have to cater to EVERYONE's retarded bullshiat life story.


/checks profile, sees TX. Well, there's a surprise.
 
2013-07-17 09:40:11 AM

incrdbil: I'm fed up with this transgendered BS. you are what you were born as. Surgery is not the answer--professional mental health. If you were born with boy parts, you are male. If you have girl parts, female. There is nothign wrong with you. You are great as you are, and do not need to multilate your body (or make everyone else join in your delusion).   There's a very few genetic abnormalities that result in a miniscule percentage being born with some combination of male/female sexual characteristics and those are the few that may indeed need surgery, if they wish, but that is no reason to suddenly pretend gender is a choice. Deal with it. What farking idiocy....


Gender's a social construct. What tackle you've got between your legs is your "biological sex", or just "sex" if you don't like adjectives. That's why we say you are "sexing" a baby chick when you're determining its genital situation, not "gendering" it.
 
2013-07-17 09:40:16 AM

DGS: accelerus: blah blah blah -- didn't read the article. do not care.

Look like a dude:  I call you a "he"

Look like a lady: I call you a "she"

Dude looks like a lady: I call you ugly and or a freak.

I just don't care about them or their weird ass feelings. If we cater to this bullshiat sooner or later we are going to have 50 different categories of gender because we have to cater to EVERYONE's retarded bullshiat life story.

/checks profile, sees TX. Well, there's a surprise.


OMIGOD he just does not CARE OK!
 
2013-07-17 09:40:33 AM

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: liam76: But this I am special I need a new made up group? It is farking BS.

I see it the other way. It seems like they're saying they aren't special, and the made up group is essentially a non-identity in terms of gender.

If they aren't special why do they need a made up group?


I'd say all groups are made up, you're just comfortable with the prevailing ones. I mean, I am too, I think the Tractor guy is getting a bit ahead of himself. But I get it on a thought experiment level, and I don't think their mentality is "I'm special so cater to me".
 
2013-07-17 09:40:46 AM
And after you tell me your "preferred" pronoun, why do I have to keep track of that again?  I think your preferred gender is less important to me than it is to you.  Is that not a sign of a post-gender society?  Hasn't the LGBT community been actually asking for that very thing?  Stop trying to be special.  You're not.  But you are annoying.
 
2013-07-17 09:41:47 AM
Since when where pronouns ment to identify an individuals personal  sexual preference?
 
2013-07-17 09:41:47 AM

xcv: [media.tumblr.com image 467x644]


I'm offended that "drag king" is given preeminence over "drag queen". This simply reinforces traditional gender/power roles.

/except that drag kings are women dressing as men so it's empowering
//but doesn't that disempower men who identify as women?
/// what about men who identify as women but who still dress as men?
/\/does that make them drag kings or closet queens?
 
2013-07-17 09:42:07 AM
Rapmaster2000: "I think it's interesting how we have gendered terms for some things and not others."

To be clear, I have little problem with a proposal that we move formal speech to a default gender neutral pronoun. So if the proposal is that we move formal speech to they/them/theirs, I'm fine with that. I try to do that anyway, just because online discussions are amongst parties that are essentially impossible to discern.

If the proposed solution is we invent new neutral pronouns... that seems a bit silly given we have some. But if there are good arguments, I'm open to arguing and weighing the merits.

But having every single person identify preferred pronouns at introductions? That's just absurd.
 
2013-07-17 09:42:23 AM
So basically body image problems like anorexics and goths and wrist cutters. Bless their hearts
 
2013-07-17 09:42:27 AM

incrdbil: I'm fed up with this transgendered BS. you are what you were born as. Surgery is not the answer--professional mental health. If you were born with boy parts, you are male. If you have girl parts, female. There is nothign wrong with you. You are great as you are, and do not need to multilate your body (or make everyone else join in your delusion).   There's a very few genetic abnormalities that result in a miniscule percentage being born with some combination of male/female sexual characteristics and those are the few that may indeed need surgery, if they wish, but that is no reason to suddenly pretend gender is a choice. Deal with it. What farking idiocy....


It's a good thing that you've extensively studied the issue, otherwise you would sound like a real prick.
 
2013-07-17 09:43:07 AM
Can we please just shut down every liberal arts department at every university? Please?
 
2013-07-17 09:43:36 AM

incrdbil: I'm fed up with this transgendered BS. you are what you were born as. Surgery is not the answer--professional mental health. If you were born with boy parts, you are male. If you have girl parts, female. There is nothign wrong with you. You are great as you are, and do not need to multilate your body (or make everyone else join in your delusion).   There's a very few genetic abnormalities that result in a miniscule percentage being born with some combination of male/female sexual characteristics and those are the few that may indeed need surgery, if they wish, but that is no reason to suddenly pretend gender is a choice. Deal with it. What farking idiocy....


So do you just reject the science behind gender being a mental as well as a physical state?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-07-17 09:44:32 AM

Joe Blowme: So basically body image problems like anorexics and goths and wrist cutters. Bless their hearts


Yes, goths and wrist cutters are generally individuals bearing body image issues. It's good to know we've got a resident expert on the topic.
 
2013-07-17 09:45:10 AM
I think the poster who said previously that the majority of us walking around the planet, especially in the US, are just concerned with being, and are not further trying to segregate ourselves or anyone else by creating classes of gender or any other classes for that matter.

I see a person in front of me, and that is all. Just because I choose not to address every fringe group and learn their way of thinking does not mean I am a racist or a bigot. Nor is it my fault for having been born hetero. I just do not like people lecturing me on how I should react and think.

Years ago I was dating a beautiful girl from Bolivia who was getting her PHD in political science, and this meant a lot of my time was spent with grad students. They all looked down on me because I was a network engineer, had a job, a new car, and were all a bit incensed that had swooped in on the hot girl of the department.

One day I brought them all dinner(because i had a job) and we were sitting there and this jackass says to me "Norm, thanks for dinner but you should realize that there is more to life than material things, I just spend six weeks traveling in south america, and it was uplifting learning how the reast of the world lives and communing with the peasants. You should try that sometime."

I looked at my girl and said in spanish"you know i have kept my mouth shut for weeks with these jerks, now may i say something?"

The guys says to me "you can speak spanish?" I informed that my father was Colombian and that although my degree was in information systems, i had lived in Colombia for five years, worked and studied economics and that it was very insulting to call third world denizens peasants.

Moral of the story is that I do not wear heritage, education, experience, sexuality, or opinions on my sleeve. Nor do I try to shove them down anyones throat or consider anyone who does not think the way I do to be a bigot, racist, or idiot.
 
2013-07-17 09:45:16 AM

Danger Mouse: Since when where pronouns ment to identify an individuals personal  sexual preference?


They aren't talking about sexual preference.
 
2013-07-17 09:45:33 AM
will their be "special" enforcement laws? Will i get hate crime charges if i refuse to play this stupid game? Or should i just be nice to them like i am to the other handicapped people i interact with? What about potato queers? Is potato even a gender? It is now, i command it.
 
2013-07-17 09:47:05 AM

ringersol: If the proposed solution is we invent new neutral pronouns... that seems a bit silly given we have some. But if there are good arguments, I'm open to arguing and weighing the merits.


You can call me shiatload, cause there's a shiatload of us in here.
 
2013-07-17 09:47:10 AM

Joe Blowme: will their be "special" enforcement laws? Will i get hate crime charges if i refuse to play this stupid game? Or should i just be nice to them like i am to the other handicapped people i interact with? What about potato queers? Is potato even a gender? It is now, i command it.

 
2013-07-17 09:48:41 AM
Listen here, Pat.  Either you're a cock sucker or you're not.
 
2013-07-17 09:48:50 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: CowardlyLion: DrPainMD: FTA: "...a new generation of young people is..."

And people still insist that "Idiocracy" wasn't a documentary.

Okay, I'll bite. What about that quote has anything to do with Idiocracy?

I'll take "It's Idiotic" for $500, Alex.


Thanks for totally clearing that up with your brilliant explanation.
 
2013-07-17 09:48:51 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Joe Blowme: will their be "special" enforcement laws? Will i get hate crime charges if i refuse to play this stupid game? Or should i just be nice to them like i am to the other handicapped people i interact with? What about potato queers? Is potato even a gender? It is now, i command it.


Let's try that again

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2013-07-17 09:49:13 AM
What about people who self identify as "not farking calling you that"?
 
2013-07-17 09:49:51 AM
ringersol:

To be clear, I have little problem with a proposal that we move formal speech to a default gender neutral pronoun. So if the proposal is that we move formal speech to they/them/theirs, I'm fine with that. I try to do that anyway, just because online discussions are amongst parties that are essentially impossible to discern.

If the proposed solution is we invent new neutral pronouns... that seems a bit silly given we have some. But if there are good arguments, I'm open to arguing and weighing the merits.


I'm pretty certain we will invent new neutral and non-neutral pronouns whether we like it or not.  Language evolves.  We've already phased out thou, thee, thine, thy, thyself, and ye.

I the 20th century Pittsburghers invented their own gender neutral pronoun:  yinz.
 
2013-07-17 09:51:18 AM

Akbar the Trappiste Monk: here to help: And I think people are missing the point. This is more than likely being done to shove the issue to the front of the conversation. A friend of mine has been going through a REAL hard time with this exact scenario. I call her she because that's how I met her. Born a female but very androgynous and before anyone starts saying "lesbo AW! Whargharble!!1" there are severe chemical and physical differences with her. For example she could grow a beard as a teen. Imagine how f*cking terrible and confusing that would have been. She held all that gender crap in and just played the part of girl/tomboy. Dated guys and chicks but mostly just wasn't interested in sex. She hid it from most of her friends even though we are all supposedly open minded and ultra progressive people. Well a few years back she was completely breaking down because of the stress of this and started talking to doctors (who confirmed the physical gender problems) and her friends. Well apparently a lot of people were complete assholes to her about it. It was shocking considering the community. Very pro equal rights across the board but for some reason just the thought of a trans gender made them all wonky. Very disappointing. I guess I am one of the few she's been able to talk to about it and I find that heartbreaking.

So no. It's not easy for these people and this is obviously a way for them let people know who and what they are and make people talk about it instead of just squirming in their seats or waiting until they leave to talk behind their backs.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would you feel?

I would feel FABULOUS!


I would also get work blood work and check to see if I had any hormone imbalances that needed to be addressed. Asexuality isn't real to many because well that's what we're programmed to do in our DNA is to procreate. Many claim to be A sexual but it's more a cover for our own fears of having sex for the first time since western civilization puts a lot of high expectations on both partners.

A good example of this is my artist I work with in Wales. She said she was A-sexual I didn't say anything because she was early 20s and never had sex yet. Then the moment she did fall in love with a male she liked and started dating I noticed she no longer declared she was A-sexual.  She changed from Miss Shy and Unsure and conservative artist to a more open and romantic artist.  I asked if she was Asexual one day and She said back "A sexual beast but not A-sexual,"
 
2013-07-17 09:52:16 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: ph0rk: I have plenty of empathy (well, okay, some). I don't tend to waste it on those that make a point of disregarding what is a real problem, and especially those that make a thinly-veiled reference to how hard they may have it as justification for ignoring the problems of others. That is no different than FYIGM, you just don't have it painted on a yacht.

Holy mother of dog, THIS!

"Sure people may be hungry, or homeless, or abused but I sometimes identify as an unspecified non-gender binary way and feel isolated by the use of gendered pronouns. I'll get around to helping the hungry, homeless, and abused once my own personal battle is won!"


I have literally never seen or heard a trans or queer-gendered person make this argument(though perhaps that just means I don't traffic with jerks). The only people I've ever seen make it are social conservatives who feel the social pressure to be polite to another human as a huge imposition upon them and try to make it seem ridiculous as a result. What you're saying is really no different than harassers calling out women for "causing a scene" by objecting to being manhandled by strangers in public, or immigrants as "traitorous" and "nationalist" for having pride in where they're from, or black folks as being "hypocrites" for objecting to white folks using certain words that some AAs sometimes use to refer to each other.
 
2013-07-17 09:53:09 AM
I find this discussion ephemeral, its proponents a bore, and the end-result generally underwhelming. The role of language it to provide a framework for communication under which we can all agree that certain sounds represent certain concepts. People like to fark with it in the hopes that changing the framework will change reality around to a new configuration. (This doesn't happen, historically, but people like to dream.)

If the argument is that pronouns are just labels, and humans label things however they want, so you can use whatever pronoun you want to refer to yourself, whether it's he or her or ou or zee or shim or anything -- cool. I'm totally fine with it. Enjoy yourself. But recognize you're working at destroying the framework of the language we use to refer to one another and that this will make future communication quite complicated. Perhaps complex communication is what you're after. That's also cool, but if you're that hung up on pronouns I suspect that you're a boring coont and not someone worth talking to in the first place.

Don't get upset at me thinking you're a boring coont. It's just a label. Humans label things however they want. That's my label for people hung up on their pronouns. Boring coonts, be they boy-coonts or girl-coonts or ou-coonts or zee-coonts or gender-fluid-coonts.

That's my solution. You needed a custom non-cis-gender-confirming pronoun to properly express yourself? You're lumped into the 'coont' category. A coontegory, if you will. I can make new labels, too. I certainly mean no offense and trust you'll respect my unique perspective on this. After all, we're all human, at least 'til you find new words to describe that state of being, too.

/I once saw someone write that they were cool with anyone, even a omnisexual gender-queer species-fluid trans-bovine, as long as this individual shows up for work on time.
//They moo no offense, of course.
 
2013-07-17 09:53:10 AM
call yourself whatever you want.  others may or may not agree to call you that.

in reality, you are what your genes say you are.
 
2013-07-17 09:54:54 AM
 
2013-07-17 09:55:59 AM
I've always wondered why some people are SO happy to embrace certain "I was born this way but I feel like X" and absolutely laugh their ass off at others.  My wife will point out all the time how we have extra privillages cause we're both cis-gendered, but people who think they feel like a dragon on the inside?  "Lol that's so stupid."  Anime dorks who think they're Asian on the inside?  Racist dorks.  I've known trans people to say, "I was supposed to be a woman," or whatever, which to me means something is physically not right between the structure of the brain and the body/hormones it produces.  If one person experiences this as being emotionally a different gender, and one person supposedly experiences this as, "I'm a pikachu inside," why is one laughable and one a totally viable identity choice?

I mean is it hard to believe that someone who goes around identifying themselves as a Snorlax and refusing to be woken up by any alarm clock that isn't attached to a pokeflute doesn't have something seriously wrong with them?
 
2013-07-17 09:56:25 AM
I'll go as far as saying "he", "she", "dude with chick junk" or "chick with dude junk."
 
2013-07-17 09:57:09 AM

here to help: liam76: here to help: These folks are isolated and marginalized.

By their own imagination.

By pretend walls they have created.

these folks are inventing opression. fark them

Right.


How are they marginalized?

this coont, "So you can be she/her at one event and then you go to lunch and you say, OK, now I am he/him. And then one charming young woman told me, oh, yes, today, I'm just using made up pronouns."

That isn't some poor bastard who had the misfortune to want to be another gender who isn't going to feel comfortable being adressed with the gender they are bilogically associsted with.  That is a vapid coont who who thinks her whims on what to people should call her demand respect from the world.  Her isolation (and I doubt there isd any) comes from her own BS.


here to help: And we all know how tolerant and totally not bigoted you are


So rather than adress the nonsense in the article you are going to make shiat up about me?


Headso: The opposite yet equally out of touch view as the article


We are talking about the article.

People who change their prefered gender pronouns daily and occasionally create them are marginilzed only by their self centered "snowflake" whims.  And in my opinion rightly so.  I am not going to take the tiem or effort to constantly check then change how I adress soemone, espceically when it includes made up pronouns.
 
2013-07-17 09:57:31 AM

Joe Blowme: will their be "special" enforcement laws? Will i get hate crime charges if i refuse to play this stupid game? Or should i just be nice to them like i am to the other handicapped people i interact with? What about potato queers? Is potato even a gender? It is now, i command it.


you're a victim and your prefered pronouns are vic and vicky?
 
2013-07-17 09:58:25 AM

CowardlyLion: Thanks for totally clearing that up with your brilliant explanation.


I would have thought it was self explanatory which is why I didn't write you a farking dissertation but apparently you're a little slow.

The referenced statement "...a new generation of young people is..." implies that insistence on personal pronouns is a fad among younger people. This fad is, on its face, idiotic as we already have gender neutral pronouns and honestly, this only affects a tiny but easily offended fraction of the population. The implication is that since "young people" are obsessed with these trivialities, they are an example of successive generations getting dumber which was the core premise of Idiocracy.

Thank you for helping to demonstrate that Idiocracy was, if not a documentary, prophecy.
 
2013-07-17 09:58:33 AM

Super_pope: I've always wondered why some people are SO happy to embrace certain "I was born this way but I feel like X" and absolutely laugh their ass off at others.  My wife will point out all the time how we have extra privillages cause we're both cis-gendered, but people who think they feel like a dragon on the inside?  "Lol that's so stupid."  Anime dorks who think they're Asian on the inside?  Racist dorks.  I've known trans people to say, "I was supposed to be a woman," or whatever, which to me means something is physically not right between the structure of the brain and the body/hormones it produces.  If one person experiences this as being emotionally a different gender, and one person supposedly experiences this as, "I'm a pikachu inside," why is one laughable and one a totally viable identity choice?

I mean is it hard to believe that someone who goes around identifying themselves as a Snorlax and refusing to be woken up by any alarm clock that isn't attached to a pokeflute doesn't have something seriously wrong with them?


Because it's all about me.
 
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