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(NPR)   Hello, and welcome to Olive Garden. My name is Snowflake, and I'll be your genderqueer postgrad waitron this evening. I'll tell you our specials in a moment, but first, let me tell you that my preferred gender pronoun for tonight is   (npr.org) divider line 731
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2013-07-17 08:58:54 AM  
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THERE ARE 2 GENDERS!!!
 
2013-07-17 08:59:03 AM  

jaybeezey: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: There are a lot of guys in this thread with a lot of latent anger towards themselves and society because what they assumed were hard rules about gender and sexuality have changed. The rules you adhere to don't give you anything tangible. You aren't a "real man" because you played with trucks and roll your eyes at a rack of pink dress shirts. Following cultural norms is all well and good, until you've become so distant to the reasons and historical context that you're enforcing them - as evidenced in this thread - with such enthusiasm and vitriol - for the sake of just making others feel like outsiders.

Some people are different. Learn to deal with it.

Dear Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius),

You've done a masterful job of reading the minds of all of the posters so far who don't with your point of view. However, what about those of us who just can't be bothered to give a shiat about people who feel the need to flaunt convention because it makes them feel better. I honestly just don't give a shiat enough to change what has worked for the last 2000yrs including the previous span of my lifetime.

So in closing, anyone can feel free to ask to be called what they want, but i'm just not interested enough to comply with that request. If this is upsetting to them or you in any way, please feel free to take it up management.


Would you like to write any further persuasive, emotional essays to prove to me, the world, and yourself about just how little you care about the issue? I'm not sure it was clear, since it appears you care very deeply about how other people behave.
 
2013-07-17 09:00:08 AM  
staplermofo: "Ungendered pronouns would be great."

Like they/them/theirs ?
Or do we need new ones?

I generally go out of my way to not be a dick, and to accommodate other people.  But there is a line at which, no, I am not willing to re-wire myself to use newly-invented words to help people who are different feel not-different.  Particularly not to the point that the repetition of the preferences of the majority will come across like mocking.

I mean, do we invent a word for "not-disabled", that the bulk of us can use to describe ourselves as such, so that disabled people don't feel categorized by having to specify possible additional preferences/needs?  "Hi, I'm Bob and I'm cis-abled; I don't need a ramp or handicapped stall or items to be placed at wheelchair-accessible heights."

To me, the "cis-gender" "here's my pronouns preference" shiat sounds just as incredibly cruel.
 
2013-07-17 09:00:24 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Of all the politically correct bullsh*t words out there, "waitron" has to be one of the bullshiattiest.


Chill, I think subby made up waitron, in jest of the article...
 
2013-07-17 09:01:35 AM  

here to help: The Muthaship: No one asks for your sexuality when what they want to know is your gender.

You've got nothing so you are attempting a semantics troll... a poor one at that.


It's okay to admit you screwed up.  It might even feel good.
 
2013-07-17 09:02:03 AM  

Heron: TuteTibiImperes: Didn't we have this thread last week?  If you're gender confused pick the masculine or feminine, whichever you prefer, and try to stick with it. The overwhelming majority of people aren't going to be willing to learn new gender-neutral pronouns, so unless you fancy being called an 'it' just figure out which one you're closest to and run with that.

English already has a gender-neutral pronoun; "their/they". It's primarily used as a plural these days, but for most of English history it was a singular as well. Might seem confusing to have a noun-form that can be both plural and singular, specific and general, but when you find yourself thinking that just remember every romance language in existence does the same thing with nearly every noun they have, and some verb-forms too. English speakers get off pretty easy.


I've been using they/their as singular for years. Rarely do people call me on it, and usually they are much older traditionalist types. I originally started to strip out him/her he/she in my writing, because alternating genders by paragraph got annoying. The fact it fits transgender folks was just a happy coincidence.

I wish English had more gender neutral language, I would use it all the time.
 
2013-07-17 09:03:18 AM  

Jim_Callahan: While I wasn't raised in a barn, so I can in public basically call anyone whatever they ask to be called by with a straight face, I have to admit that every time someone makes a big deal out of being identified by their obvious biological gender (or getting annoyed when you mess it up, in the case of androgynous people) my actual unspoken reaction is basically "Oh my god who the hell cares".

If shiat like this actually catches on (probably won't) I'll learn it because etiquette is a life skill, but don't expect me to use it outside of formal venues.  PC crap is and always has been an artificial waste of time that conceals an underlying problem instead of or even at the expense of actually fixing it.


I worked at a restaurant with a "person" for a very brief time...

(Names changed)

Given Name at time of birth by his partents: Steve
Born with Male Parts

Felt he was trans, decided to go by "Jennifer"

Some days this person was "Steve," others "Jennifer," and others, some other state of being with a gender neutral name like "Pat" or "Nicky."

So Tuesday we would work with Steve, and Thursday we would work with Jennifer.  These identities had totally different attitudes, personalities, food preferences, body language and posture, vocal pitch was different...

He made things unnecessarily difficult very quickly, and drama that never existed in the restaurant was suddenly there.  He requested to have the name on the computer changed whenever he was either "Pat/Nicky" or "Jennifer"...he would get VERY upset when he was "Jennifer" and it was paycheck day and the paycheck was written out to "Steve."

This person was not sexually confused, going through a transition or any other issue...unquestionably homey was mentally ill.

He lasted about 3 months.  A semi-regular came in and said hello to "Steve" and "Jennifer" freaked the fark out on him.  He was fired on the spot.
 
2013-07-17 09:03:23 AM  
I haven't seen a post yet bring up the obvious.
When you're speaking to a person or around a person about them, you are very rarely using she/he/her/him/hers/his, you use, you or their name. So all this panty twisting about ze zim zer... it most likely a moot point.
 
2013-07-17 09:04:21 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Ricardo Klement: That's not a problem unique to the LGBT community. It's a problem of a flat organizational ethos. The touchy-feely crowd wants to be inclusive, even when their organization has leadership positions. You don't want to be a dictator, but you want to come up with the ideas and present options to the group. If they reject all of them, you may have a problem. But trying to get 20 people to all submit ideas and then come to a consensus on one will rarely overcome inertia. Between that and over-ambitious near-term goals, that's how philanthropic organizations die.

When I said minutiae, I meant it. I had never seen any committee quibble over trivialities as target date after target date passed. It didn't help that over half of the committee was either some flavor of gay or transgender. It was very obviously all about them. Social justice wasn't about making sure that hungry people got a hot meal, it was about how someone gave them a weird look at the grocery store the previous week.

What we're discussing here is narcissism.


I follow you.

I was briefly in an organization that had a great idea. It was expensive, but it was a good idea. They spent the time arguing over minutia while I, in my divine innocence, would point out they literally had no money, and that maybe they should start with fund-raisers rather than trying to pull off an idea that would cost four-figures to implement.

Two years later, they still hadn't done it, and I don't know if they even exist anymore.

But narcissism is also an unsolvable problem.
 
2013-07-17 09:05:00 AM  
Obviously seriously confused people, i feel sorry for them. Makes you wonder WTF happened during their prenatal development that caused this affliction. Like Autism, we may never know.
 
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2013-07-17 09:06:44 AM  
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2013-07-17 09:08:53 AM  

ringersol: staplermofo: "Ungendered pronouns would be great."

Like they/them/theirs ?
Or do we need new ones?

I generally go out of my way to not be a dick, and to accommodate other people.  But there is a line at which, no, I am not willing to re-wire myself to use newly-invented words to help people who are different feel not-different.  Particularly not to the point that the repetition of the preferences of the majority will come across like mocking.

I mean, do we invent a word for "not-disabled", that the bulk of us can use to describe ourselves as such, so that disabled people don't feel categorized by having to specify possible additional preferences/needs?  "Hi, I'm Bob and I'm cis-abled; I don't need a ramp or handicapped stall or items to be placed at wheelchair-accessible heights."

To me, the "cis-gender" "here's my pronouns preference" shiat sounds just as incredibly cruel.


I think it's interesting how we have gendered terms for some things and not others.  There are still waiters and waitresses, but aviator and aviatrix have been replaced by pilot.  People do use the term server, but not at the rate they use pilot.  Same with barman and barmaid becoming the unified bartender.

I hesitate to say that steward and stewardess becoming flight attendant is a gender neutralization.  It could also just be title inflation.
 
2013-07-17 09:09:12 AM  
I basically live and work in one of the more liberal parts of Massachusetts so yeah, pretty progressive relative to the country and I have never heard anyone talk like that. It must be mostly relegated to campuses and in activist groups that are formed to further these issues, nttiawwt. But I  think NPR is making more out of it than it is.
 
2013-07-17 09:09:17 AM  

RobSeace: We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer.

No... If you're not down with he/him/his or she/her/hers, you're getting singular they/them/theirs... You don't get to invent new words and unilaterally add them to the language and force everyone else to use them...


I'm glad someone said this. I like to think of myself as progressive, and I support the LGBT community in their quest for equal rights. I also understand that the way our world has operated there needs to be changes to the way we do certain things.

That being said, as you've already pointed out, our language already has Gender Neutral Pronouns. They/Them/Theirs are used for both plural (including mixed gender) and when Gender is unknown. This is one area that changes don't need to be made to the language.

From time to time the mold simply won't fit, and it needs to be broken and recreated. I get that and I endorse that, but I do not support breaking the mold simply for the sake of breaking it. Work within the system when it applies, go outside when you must. No only it is easier on you, but it's easier to get less supportive people to accept as well. After all the goal is acceptance, not special privileges.
 
2013-07-17 09:10:02 AM  
And to all those who are saying "I don't care so don't bother me with this." that is what is so frustrating for these people. It is a complex issue and otherwise well meaning people refuse to even think about it. These folks are isolated and marginalized. These kids are trying to carve out their spot in society and are sick of being swept aside. Race relations didn't get better until people started talking about the issues and what it was like to be a minority. To truly be able to accept someone as they are there has to be a certain level of understanding and empathy. We all know what the average middle class straight white dude is thinking or feeling because we get beat over the head with it day in and day out. Take a few minutes to think about what these people are going through and what it must be like to constantly be shrugged of as a weirdo or AW.

Don't be so selfish.
 
2013-07-17 09:10:17 AM  

xcv: [media.tumblr.com image 467x644]


Eventually, we'll just list everyone.
 
2013-07-17 09:10:56 AM  

Bontesla: The goal isn't to create a new identity but to raise awareness.


Trust me, we're aware.
 
2013-07-17 09:11:25 AM  

Wolf892: I just figured out what to call these people.

He/him = penis
She/her = vagina

But everyone has titties, so that's what we call them

"Excuse me, titty told me that the bill was going to be under fifty bucks, but when titty brought me the bill it was nearly one hundred. I want you to discount the three lobsters because titty told me that they were half price and now you're charging me full price for them.

See? Titty, it just works.


Sure, just insult the women who have had double mastectomies. You heartless bastard.
 
2013-07-17 09:11:44 AM  

The Muthaship: It's okay to admit you screwed up. It might even feel good.


I did not and I will not.

*FART*

Now THAT felt good.

*fartfartfart*
 
2013-07-17 09:11:50 AM  

here to help: on't be so selfish.


i116.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-17 09:13:11 AM  

here to help: And to all those who are saying "I don't care so don't bother me with this." that is what is so frustrating for these people. It is a complex issue and otherwise well meaning people refuse to even think about it. These folks are isolated and marginalized. These kids are trying to carve out their spot in society and are sick of being swept aside. Race relations didn't get better until people started talking about the issues and what it was like to be a minority. To truly be able to accept someone as they are there has to be a certain level of understanding and empathy. We all know what the average middle class straight white dude is thinking or feeling because we get beat over the head with it day in and day out. Take a few minutes to think about what these people are going through and what it must be like to constantly be shrugged of as a weirdo or AW.

Don't be so selfish.


BUT I DON'T CARE!  I care so little that I will write 30 posts in this thread detailing how much I don't care.  I care so little that I will respond to anyone criticizing my position of not caring!!  That's indicative of how little I care about this!!
 
2013-07-17 09:13:15 AM  
FTFA - We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer. And, in fact, I reject the gender binary as an oppressive move by the dominant culture.

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2013-07-17 09:13:27 AM  

ph0rk: here to help: on't be so selfish.

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Damn I'm sexy.
 
2013-07-17 09:13:55 AM  
I felt the urge to punch each person who contributed to this article.

Is that wrong of me...or a perfectly rational response to complete farking bullshiat?
 
2013-07-17 09:14:08 AM  
this reminds of a thread i was reading on total fark yesterday where this parent was gushing how he and his wife were such progressive parents because their snowflakes had a black friend and a chinese friend. And that his kids were outspoken on the topic of gay marriage. at agges 7 and 12. at 7 and 12 kids should be playing games, walking in the park, and not having parents forcing adult themes on to theme. these kids are being raised into the same type of aws in the story.

i do not go around saying "hi i am theflatline, i am a heterosexual male, and i was born this way."

tell me your name and i will call you that.
 
2013-07-17 09:14:25 AM  

DrPainMD: ox45tallboy: They're calling for more fluid categories beyond just male and female, as NPR's Margot Adler explains.

I'm totally fine with people who were born with a different sexual identity than what matches their naughty bits. It happens sometimes, and these days, there is no reason not to live a happy and fulfilled life wearing the gender in which you feel comfortable, and having sexual relations with whichever consenting adults wish to do so. Having said that, if your gender identity is changing,on a regular basis, perhaps you need to seek professional help. This is not normal or healthy, and other people catering to this whim is not helpful to your mental health.

I couldn't agree more, but, since the internet never forgets and I see the direction the forces of political correctness are going, I'm going to have to say, "Stop being such a close-minded, intolerant bigot."

There. Now, in twenty years, I will be hailed as a progressive thinker who was ahead of his time, and you will be lumped in with Limbaugh, Beck, Gingrich and Stalin. Won't that be fun?


Fine, I'll just say it myself:

This is stupid. Stop being a bunch of AWs.
 
2013-07-17 09:16:12 AM  
These people are farked when it comes to romance languages - every word is masculine or feminine.

ringersol: staplermofo: "Ungendered pronouns would be great."

Like they/them/theirs ?
Or do we need new ones?

I generally go out of my way to not be a dick, and to accommodate other people.  But there is a line at which, no, I am not willing to re-wire myself to use newly-invented words to help people who are different feel not-different.  Particularly not to the point that the repetition of the preferences of the majority will come across like mocking.

I mean, do we invent a word for "not-disabled", that the bulk of us can use to describe ourselves as such, so that disabled people don't feel categorized by having to specify possible additional preferences/needs?  "Hi, I'm Bob and I'm cis-abled; I don't need a ramp or handicapped stall or items to be placed at wheelchair-accessible heights."

To me, the "cis-gender" "here's my pronouns preference" shiat sounds just as incredibly cruel.


Your position basically equates people who don't fall into the gender binary as having a disability.  I think that may be one of the fundamental points of argument.  Having come to terms with their different-ness, they want to change the English language & social customs to normalize their condition in the eyes of the general public, or at least create the perception that gender is fluid & not binary.

I pity them for this, since has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.
 
2013-07-17 09:17:08 AM  

Headso: I basically live and work in one of the more liberal parts of Massachusetts so yeah, pretty progressive relative to the country and I have never heard anyone talk like that. It must be mostly relegated to campuses and in activist groups that are formed to further these issues, nttiawwt. But I  think NPR is making more out of it than it is.


I think you're right about that, and pretty obviously so. I know a lot of young people and college students, and it's really a bit of a stretch at this point to be heralding some new revolution in thought among the "young generation".

In other words, this article is about 85% bullsh*t.
 
2013-07-17 09:17:47 AM  

Rapmaster2000: BUT I DON'T CARE! I care so little that I will write 30 posts in this thread detailing how much I don't care. I care so little that I will respond to anyone criticizing my position of not caring!! That's indicative of how little I care about this!!


Zactly. In the time it took for them to do all that not caring they could have taking the time to let the ideas bounce around their little noodles for a while. They don't WANT to care. They don't want to explore the issue because it obviously scares them or they do indeed have negative attitudes but don't want to be labeled bigots so they act aloof.

Sad really.
 
2013-07-17 09:18:01 AM  

FraggleStickCar: Don't worry, though. Pretty soon you and others like you will die and the world will continue to move on without you, very likely further and further towards the eradication of the dichotomous gender system


That would be great.  Just not for the reasons you think.

If the world has enough time for what are now issues for entitled, spolied, self centered, whiny coonts who think their time is more valuable than those around them, then hopefully we will have fixed real problems.
 
2013-07-17 09:18:30 AM  

ox45tallboy: staplermofo: Ungendered pronouns would be great.  Un-gendering bathrooms would be nice too.  If women peep on men or men hog the couch, it's a small price to pay.  I would hog the shiat out of that couch.

Why don't dudes get a couch? What the hell are women doing in the can that necessitates a couch? I want a couch to chill on in the can. I would totally call the restaurant's number on my cell and ask for my waiter and then tell him bring me another beer to the couch in the men's room. Bonus points if it's a waitress. More bonus points if she does it. Negative points if she changes gender first.


It's for breastfeeding and also because ladies room lines are longer
 
2013-07-17 09:19:05 AM  

ox45tallboy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x592]


I'm going with Cheese.
 
2013-07-17 09:19:37 AM  

IAAl: It is simple to categorize gender as binary but gender is no more binary than race or sexual orientation. Just because you identify strongly with one gender, and perhaps even look the part, does not mean that everyone does or that everyone identifies with either gender.


And if we're intimate enough that I know about your gender identity issues, then I will try to accommodate them to the best of my ability. If I've just met you though, you're lucky if I remember your name. I'm unlikely to remember a different set of pronouns for you... and especially when this seems to be a "I'll choose my own set of pronouns!" type of thing so that I'll need to remember a separate set of pronouns for each and every person. Come up with some standard and it may get adopted as time goes on, but until then, expecting people to remember the new words you've decided to try and force on everyone is simply narcissistic. All you'll do is convince people to stick the the 3rd person they/their/theirs instead of having to wade through that mine field.
 
2013-07-17 09:21:24 AM  

Lexx: These people are farked when it comes to romance languages - every word is masculine or feminine.


I'm guessing you've never taken a stab at THE romance language...
 
2013-07-17 09:21:30 AM  

Prevailing Wind: I felt the urge to punch each person who contributed to this article.

Is that wrong of me...or a perfectly rational response to complete farking bullshiat?


Feeling anger or fear is normal. Actually giving other people a hard time and punishing them when they don't play to your bias is problematic.
 
2013-07-17 09:22:31 AM  
"Hi. My name is Ricardo and my preferred pronouns are he/her/its."
 
2013-07-17 09:23:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: liam76: But this I am special I need a new made up group? It is farking BS.

I see it the other way. It seems like they're saying they aren't special, and the made up group is essentially a non-identity in terms of gender.


If they aren't special why do they need a made up group?


here to help: These folks are isolated and marginalized.


By their own imagination.

By pretend walls they have created.

these folks are inventing opression.  fark them
 
2013-07-17 09:23:54 AM  

ph0rk: Heron: TuteTibiImperes: Didn't we have this thread last week?  If you're gender confused pick the masculine or feminine, whichever you prefer, and try to stick with it. The overwhelming majority of people aren't going to be willing to learn new gender-neutral pronouns, so unless you fancy being called an 'it' just figure out which one you're closest to and run with that.

English already has a gender-neutral pronoun; "their/they". It's primarily used as a plural these days, but for most of English history it was a singular as well. Might seem confusing to have a noun-form that can be both plural and singular, specific and general, but when you find yourself thinking that just remember every romance language in existence does the same thing with nearly every noun they have, and some verb-forms too. English speakers get off pretty easy.

I've been using they/their as singular for years. Rarely do people call me on it, and usually they are much older traditionalist types. I originally started to strip out him/her he/she in my writing, because alternating genders by paragraph got annoying. The fact it fits transgender folks was just a happy coincidence.

I wish English had more gender neutral language, I would use it all the time.


That's actually how I picked up the usage, too; it was just far simpler and lazier to use "they/their" in my academic writing than to constantly be switching between him/her when writing about theoretical people :p Finding out later that my natural instinct in this regard was backed up by historically correct English grammar was a nice bonus :)
 
2013-07-17 09:24:46 AM  
I'm a 38-year old programmer/analyst, but I identify as a 22-year old college athlete. Please respect my choices by having choice-appropriate college girls sent to my room.
 
2013-07-17 09:25:23 AM  

xcv: [media.tumblr.com image 467x644]


I lost it at "birl."
 
2013-07-17 09:25:38 AM  

liam76: here to help: These folks are isolated and marginalized.

By their own imagination.

By pretend walls they have created.

these folks are inventing opression. fark them


Right. And we all know how tolerant and totally not bigoted you are.
 
2013-07-17 09:25:49 AM  

miscreant: IAAl: It is simple to categorize gender as binary but gender is no more binary than race or sexual orientation. Just because you identify strongly with one gender, and perhaps even look the part, does not mean that everyone does or that everyone identifies with either gender.

And if we're intimate enough that I know about your gender identity issues, then I will try to accommodate them to the best of my ability. If I've just met you though, you're lucky if I remember your name. I'm unlikely to remember a different set of pronouns for you... and especially when this seems to be a "I'll choose my own set of pronouns!" type of thing so that I'll need to remember a separate set of pronouns for each and every person. Come up with some standard and it may get adopted as time goes on, but until then, expecting people to remember the new words you've decided to try and force on everyone is simply narcissistic. All you'll do is convince people to stick the the 3rd person they/their/theirs instead of having to wade through that mine field.


Good point.  If I can barely be bothered to remember someone's name, like HELL I'm remembering some social language construct they're trying to get me to adopt.

We desperately need a grammatically correct gender-neutral set of pronouns.  At the very least, having them would remove gender issues from the conversation.
 
2013-07-17 09:26:48 AM  

liam76: here to help: These folks are isolated and marginalized.

By their own imagination.

By pretend walls they have created.

these folks are inventing opression.  fark them


The opposite yet equally out of touch view as the article...
 
2013-07-17 09:26:59 AM  

Lexx: Your position basically equates people who don't fall into the gender binary as having a disability.  I think that may be one of the fundamental points of argument.  Having come to terms with their different-ness, they want to change the English language & social customs to normalize their condition in the eyes of the general public, or at least create the perception that gender is fluid & not binary.

I pity them for this, since has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.


That is the usual argument, and I agree - the main problem is just numbers. There are (and will in all likelihood) continue to be more 'cisgender' folks than queer/whatever folks. It is terribly hard to get nine tenths of the population to refer to themselves as a specific category when they think of themselves as just being.

I vaguely recall seeing references to the "fully-abled" but I assume most are in jest.


Heron: That's actually how I picked up the usage, too; it was just far simpler and lazier to use "they/their" in my academic writing than to constantly be switching between him/her when writing about theoretical people :p Finding out later that my natural instinct in this regard was backed up by historically correct English grammar was a nice bonus :)


Do you happen to have a cite handy? I hadn't heard about the older singular usage before.
 
2013-07-17 09:27:06 AM  

treesloth: I'm a 38-year old programmer/analyst, but I identify as a 22-year old college athlete. Please respect my choices by having choice-appropriate college girls sent to my room.


We must be twins!
 
2013-07-17 09:28:53 AM  
I think that as long as you are being addressed in a polite and respectful manner, STFU about your damn pronouns.

I am androgynous. I get called sir as often as ma'am and I don't care. I'm just happy to be addressed politely. My views on my gender aren't anyone's business unless they ask me.

/need more coffee
 
2013-07-17 09:29:17 AM  
It puts the lotion on it's skin.

/Even though it identifies as agender, practicing proper skincare should be part of any gender presentation.
 
2013-07-17 09:29:25 AM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "...a new generation of young people is..."

And people still insist that "Idiocracy" wasn't a documentary.


Okay, I'll bite. What about that quote has anything to do with Idiocracy?
 
2013-07-17 09:29:44 AM  

proteus_b: TV's Vinnie: Of all the politically correct bullsh*t words out there, "waitron" has to be one of the bullshiattiest.

Chill, I think subby made up waitron, in jest of the article...


Sadly, no. "Waitron" really is a word that the PC puckerbutts have been trying to force down our throats since the 80's.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/waitron
 
2013-07-17 09:31:15 AM  

here to help: And I think people are missing the point. This is more than likely being done to shove the issue to the front of the conversation. A friend of mine has been going through a REAL hard time with this exact scenario. I call her she because that's how I met her. Born a female but very androgynous and before anyone starts saying "lesbo AW! Whargharble!!1" there are severe chemical and physical differences with her. For example she could grow a beard as a teen. Imagine how f*cking terrible and confusing that would have been. She held all that gender crap in and just played the part of girl/tomboy. Dated guys and chicks but mostly just wasn't interested in sex. She hid it from most of her friends even though we are all supposedly open minded and ultra progressive people. Well a few years back she was completely breaking down because of the stress of this and started talking to doctors (who confirmed the physical gender problems) and her friends. Well apparently a lot of people were complete assholes to her about it. It was shocking considering the community. Very pro equal rights across the board but for some reason just the thought of a trans gender made them all wonky. Very disappointing. I guess I am one of the few she's been able to talk to about it and I find that heartbreaking.

So no. It's not easy for these people and this is obviously a way for them let people know who and what they are and make people talk about it instead of just squirming in their seats or waiting until they leave to talk behind their backs.

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would you feel?


I would feel FABULOUS!
 
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