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(NPR)   Hello, and welcome to Olive Garden. My name is Snowflake, and I'll be your genderqueer postgrad waitron this evening. I'll tell you our specials in a moment, but first, let me tell you that my preferred gender pronoun for tonight is   (npr.org) divider line 731
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2013-07-17 07:13:10 AM  

Yogimus: What ever happened to "Pervert"?


I prefer 'Weirdo'
 
2013-07-17 07:13:47 AM  

Jim_Callahan: While I wasn't raised in a barn, so I can in public basically call anyone whatever they ask to be called by with a straight face, I have to admit that every time someone makes a big deal out of being identified by their obvious biological gender (or getting annoyed when you mess it up, in the case of androgynous people) my actual unspoken reaction is basically "Oh my god who the hell cares".

If shiat like this actually catches on (probably won't) I'll learn it because etiquette is a life skill, but don't expect me to use it outside of formal venues.  PC crap is and always has been an artificial waste of time that conceals an underlying problem instead of or even at the expense of actually fixing it.


You don't care because you don't struggle with it. You take it for granted.

I know of an incredibly brave person who was born a man but just announced their desire to begin the process of gender reassignment. 56 years of being referred to as the wrong gender can wear a person down.

We tend to think of something as less important if it's not something we struggle with.
 
2013-07-17 07:14:15 AM  

ox45tallboy: Rockette


I thought they were accepting people who want to pee like their dog.

jayhawk88: maudibjr: Why does this have to be so confusing.  I'm just going to keep calling everyone dude.

"Bro" also works really well.

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I despise "Bro" with the fury of a thousand suns.  Perhaps it's because people who say "dude" aren't as aggressively obnoxious.

Spad31: Wait..wait...you WANT to sit in the shiatter and hang out with other dudes while they piss? And you'd want food and beverages in there? What the fark is wrong with you?


If you're drinking Bud, what's the difference?

kukukupo: "Young people"

This is because they are young and have too much time on their hands.  I used to think a lot of stupid shiat like this when I was younger too.  When they grow up and get a job (if they can get a job) and move on to the next phase of their life - they will have a different view.


There's your problem right there.

If you continue to have high unemployment among young people, you're only going to get more existential bullshiat permeating our culture.  Therefore, it's in everyone's interest of sanity to find these people work before the millenials decide primary colors are offensive.
 
2013-07-17 07:14:40 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Yogimus: What ever happened to "Pervert"?

I prefer 'Weirdo'


The PC term is Impulse Control Challenged.
 
2013-07-17 07:15:27 AM  

Yogimus: What ever happened to "Pervert"?


We call them "priests" now.
 
2013-07-17 07:16:22 AM  
We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer

LOL
 
2013-07-17 07:17:33 AM  

kukukupo: "Young people"

This is because they are young and have too much time on their hands.  I used to think a lot of stupid shiat like this when I was younger too.  When they grow up and get a job (if they can get a job) and move on to the next phase of their life - they will have a different view.


Out of curiosity, how many younguns and trans snowflakes are on your lawn right now?
 
2013-07-17 07:17:54 AM  
i.qkme.me

And that's all you need to know until she has to take off the Cinderella hair shirt outfit and pay bills.

On the upside, she will happily be offended for you and express great disdain upon your behalf if you're sporting an acceptable social aberration.

Downside, you will eventually offend her, too.
 
2013-07-17 07:17:59 AM  

dahmers love zombie: We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer

LOL


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2013-07-17 07:18:11 AM  
My preferred pronoun is whichever.
 
2013-07-17 07:19:43 AM  
Y'know, since it's in colloquial use anyway, I don't get why the generic plural hasn't been deemed by whoever is in charge as acceptable. Gender may be a wide spectrum, but we don't need as many pronouns as there are subgenres of techno.
 
2013-07-17 07:20:31 AM  

ox45tallboy: Why don't dudes get a couch? What the hell are women doing in the can that necessitates a couch? I want a couch to chill on in the can. I would totally call the restaurant's number on my cell and ask for my waiter and then tell him bring me another beer to the couch in the men's room. Bonus points if it's a waitress. More bonus points if she does it. Negative points if she changes gender first.


...and THAT is why you do not get a couch!
 
2013-07-17 07:21:23 AM  

dahmers love zombie: We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer

LOL


What's wrong with shklee?
 
2013-07-17 07:21:32 AM  

psychosis_inducing: Y'know, since it's in colloquial use anyway, I don't get why the generic plural hasn't been deemed by whoever is in charge as acceptable. Gender may be a wide spectrum, but we don't need as many pronouns as there are subgenres of techno.


Maybe they should just post their pronoun of preference chart on porch by the door of their house and glare at their friends until they stop getting it wrong.  For progress.
 
2013-07-17 07:22:58 AM  
I always figured trans would be the next "in" thing, but we shot WAY past transgender into this weird world of amorphous constantly shifting nontraditional binary gender declarations.

I guess I'm a closed minded tranny...deep down, you're either male, or female.  may not match with your body, but your core identity is one or the other.

The sad thing, I actually see all this BS reverting trans rights.  We're just barely getting to the point where governments don't require surgery to validate gender.  I see that going down the drain when some of these whackadoos demand recognition of their asexual third-gender spiritual designation on ID.
 
2013-07-17 07:22:58 AM  
I'm fine with that so long as "ze, zim," and "zer" never catch on. Because that's just ridiculous and we're all going to sound like first generation French immigrants and the "Ze missiles, I am le tired" joke is going to get really old really quickly.
 
2013-07-17 07:23:15 AM  
If that happened to me at Olive Garden, I'd say: "Your gender pronoun is I didn't come here for a lecture, keeping your farking breadsticks, I'm going next door to Red Lobster. "
 
2013-07-17 07:23:30 AM  
I have no problem with the concept or the practice, but

"We encountered high school students who said, I want you to call me Tractor and use pronouns like zee, zim and zer."

...now you're just farking with me.
 
2013-07-17 07:24:46 AM  

psychosis_inducing: Y'know, since it's in colloquial use anyway, I don't get why the generic plural hasn't been deemed by whoever is in charge as acceptable. Gender may be a wide spectrum, but we don't need as many pronouns as there are subgenres of techno.


Spivak sounds like it could be a form of old-school European techno.
 
2013-07-17 07:25:10 AM  
STFU and bring me some garlicky breadsticks...and salad, and don't put all the dressing in the bottom of the bowl for chrissakes!
 
2013-07-17 07:25:20 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I always figured trans would be the next "in" thing, but we shot WAY past transgender into this weird world of amorphous constantly shifting nontraditional binary gender declarations.

I guess I'm a closed minded tranny...deep down, you're either male, or female.  may not match with your body, but your core identity is one or the other.

The sad thing, I actually see all this BS reverting trans rights.  We're just barely getting to the point where governments don't require surgery to validate gender.  I see that going down the drain when some of these whackadoos demand recognition of their asexual third-gender spiritual designation on ID.


The point isn't the gum, the point is cracking it loudly and getting terribly eye roll-y when asked to stop.  You know, by the oppressive folks.
 
2013-07-17 07:25:44 AM  
If someone does not want to be identified by "he" or "she" because that is based on whatever reproductive organs they possess, maybe they would prefer to be identified by a gender-neutral organ. I suggest the terminal end of the digestive tract.
 
2013-07-17 07:25:58 AM  

voodoohotdog: Nabb1: And people wonder why we are lagging behind the rest of the industrialized world in science and math education and more and more high tech jobs are headed overseas.

All for the pierced/painted/trans/gay/straight world we live in, but I saw three otherwise able bodied people rooting through garbage this morning looking for scrap. Trying to make ends meet. They need work, and we're wasting our time navel gazing. Aren't we special.


Because we can only solve one problem or address one set of concerns at a time? If that is the case, let's start with the elementary problem that most of this country can't do basic informal or formal logic and forget everything else.
 
2013-07-17 07:26:58 AM  

Donnchadha: God Is My Co-Pirate: Hey hey hey, the couch is awesome.  Leave our couch alone.

All in all you're just a-nother brick in the toilet-tank-to-help-us-conserve-water-by-taking-up-space-so-the-toilet -flushes-with-less-water


I think I need to redo the meter on that line...


All in all you're just another prick in the stall...
 
2013-07-17 07:28:37 AM  

CheatCommando: voodoohotdog: Nabb1: And people wonder why we are lagging behind the rest of the industrialized world in science and math education and more and more high tech jobs are headed overseas.

All for the pierced/painted/trans/gay/straight world we live in, but I saw three otherwise able bodied people rooting through garbage this morning looking for scrap. Trying to make ends meet. They need work, and we're wasting our time navel gazing. Aren't we special.

Because we can only solve one problem or address one set of concerns at a time? If that is the case, let's start with the elementary problem that most of this country can't do basic informal or formal logic and forget everything else.


More importantly, did you ask what the starving poor scroungers saw as their personal gender identification construct before pointing out the aluminum cans they missed?
 
2013-07-17 07:29:38 AM  
If we are now required to recognize an individual's preferred gender pronoun then fine, I am selecting mine:

You: icky-icky-icky-icky-kapang-zoop-boing
Him: yabba-dabba-doodle-do
His: owowowowowowowowowowowowowowow-ooooop-ow

Anyone who does not respect my gender identification is an evil monster who makes Hitler look like a caring and loving pro-zionist gentleman.
 
2013-07-17 07:29:59 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I always figured trans would be the next "in" thing, but we shot WAY past transgender into this weird world of amorphous constantly shifting nontraditional binary gender declarations.

I guess I'm a closed minded tranny...deep down, you're either male, or female.  may not match with your body, but your core identity is one or the other.

The sad thing, I actually see all this BS reverting trans rights.  We're just barely getting to the point where governments don't require surgery to validate gender.  I see that going down the drain when some of these whackadoos demand recognition of their asexual third-gender spiritual designation on ID.


That's actually the point that the trans woman brought up on the report yesterday. She said something like "I just got into this gender. Could we maybe wait more than a year before dismantling it?"
 
2013-07-17 07:30:28 AM  
I'm cool with this, as long as I can still just say "Diet Coke" without looking up from my menu.
 
2013-07-17 07:30:59 AM  
There is a less than oft considered notion about university life that holds that, should somebody stick their head so far up their ass that they can chew their own food twice, that they might come up with with an astounding bit of insight.  So far, no.
 
2013-07-17 07:31:02 AM  

bighairyguy: If that happened to me at Olive Garden, I'd say: "Your gender pronoun is I didn't come here for a lecture, keeping your farking breadsticks, I'm going next door to Red Lobster. "


You takin' her to Red Lobster with the cheddar biscuits? The fam ain't eatin' cheddar biscuits, but this random broad is eatin' cheddar biscuits?
 
2013-07-17 07:31:03 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Donnchadha: God Is My Co-Pirate: Hey hey hey, the couch is awesome.  Leave our couch alone.

All in all you're just a-nother brick in the toilet-tank-to-help-us-conserve-water-by-taking-up-space-so-the-toilet -flushes-with-less-water


I think I need to redo the meter on that line...

All in all you're just another prick in the stall...


your just another gay in teh gay
 
2013-07-17 07:32:06 AM  

bunner: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I always figured trans would be the next "in" thing, but we shot WAY past transgender into this weird world of amorphous constantly shifting nontraditional binary gender declarations.

I guess I'm a closed minded tranny...deep down, you're either male, or female.  may not match with your body, but your core identity is one or the other.

The sad thing, I actually see all this BS reverting trans rights.  We're just barely getting to the point where governments don't require surgery to validate gender.  I see that going down the drain when some of these whackadoos demand recognition of their asexual third-gender spiritual designation on ID.

The point isn't the gum, the point is cracking it loudly and getting terribly eye roll-y when asked to stop.  You know, by the oppressive folks.


I hear ya, it just gets on my nerves.  A "normal" person has an unfortunate "you're offending me!" encounter with one of these attention whores, it sours them to us normal trans people, who just want to be recognized as normal folks.

Most trans people aren't going to spazz if you use the wrong gender pronoun.  Hell, a good chunk won't even correct you, because it just causes more unwanted attention.  If you ain't sure, feel free to ask.
 
2013-07-17 07:32:13 AM  

bighairyguy: If that happened to me at Olive Garden, I'd say: "Your gender pronoun is I didn't come here for a lecture, keeping your farking breadsticks, I'm going next door to Red Lobster. "


Which is owned by Olive Garden and will probably have the same policy.
 
2013-07-17 07:33:13 AM  

bunner: CheatCommando: voodoohotdog: Nabb1: And people wonder why we are lagging behind the rest of the industrialized world in science and math education and more and more high tech jobs are headed overseas.

All for the pierced/painted/trans/gay/straight world we live in, but I saw three otherwise able bodied people rooting through garbage this morning looking for scrap. Trying to make ends meet. They need work, and we're wasting our time navel gazing. Aren't we special.

Because we can only solve one problem or address one set of concerns at a time? If that is the case, let's start with the elementary problem that most of this country can't do basic informal or formal logic and forget everything else.

More importantly, did you ask what the starving poor scroungers saw as their personal gender identification construct before pointing out the aluminum cans they missed?


Or maybe, you know, offer to buy them a meal, even if it was at Subway or McDerp's?
 
2013-07-17 07:33:42 AM  

The Muthaship: That reminds me of the lady I went to law school with who dressed her son in girls clothes half the time. She took offense when I told her that was the recipe for making a serial killer.

/he'd be about 23 now
//I hope he started with her


Did the kid want to dress in girl clothes or did the mom just decide to do it?
b/c if the kid wanted it, fine. If the kid didn't want it...wtf?!

Sometimes I feel sorry for men with their restrictive dress choices...especially now in the summer when I can get away with wearing pretty much whatever I want(especially since a lot of workplaces are changing their dress codes...it's like as a woman I can wear whatever the hell I want -within reason) but the men are still stuck in their button-downs and trousers.
 
2013-07-17 07:34:15 AM  
It is you're own fault for dining at Olive Garden.
 
2013-07-17 07:35:14 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: there are plenty of Fabulous people who don't go to 11 with the gay thing. Just because he is gay doesn't mean he needs corrective surgery.


You do understand that gay and transgender are actually different things, don't you? There are transgendered females (genetically male) who are attracted to women and vice versa.
 
2013-07-17 07:35:18 AM  

Jim_Callahan: While I wasn't raised in a barn, so I can in public basically call anyone whatever they ask to be called by with a straight face, I have to admit that every time someone makes a big deal out of being identified by their obvious biological gender (or getting annoyed when you mess it up, in the case of androgynous people) my actual unspoken reaction is basically "Oh my god who the hell cares".

If shiat like this actually catches on (probably won't) I'll learn it because etiquette is a life skill, but don't expect me to use it outside of formal venues.  PC crap is and always has been an artificial waste of time that conceals an underlying problem instead of or even at the expense of actually fixing it.


Catches on? Read that last sentence and see if it doesn't describe the last 20 years in Congress.
 
2013-07-17 07:35:29 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I hear ya, it just gets on my nerves. A "normal" person has an unfortunate "you're offending me!" encounter with one of these attention whores, it sours them to us normal trans people, who just want to be recognized as normal folks.


like!

unfortunately, us "cis" people rarely hear about trans people, and when we do, we generally just hear about the attention whores...
 
2013-07-17 07:35:39 AM  
It'll get over it.
 
2013-07-17 07:36:04 AM  
You know, I simply don't care. If you look like a "he", I'm going to call you "he". If you look like a "she", I'm going to call you "she". If I can't tell, I'll pick one. And I really don't care if your current neurosis makes you want a different one. If you want to be called one or the other, present yourself so that is visually obvious. It isn't everyone else's responsibility to figure out your issues.
 
2013-07-17 07:36:58 AM  

Fromageball: The Muthaship: That reminds me of the lady I went to law school with who dressed her son in girls clothes half the time. She took offense when I told her that was the recipe for making a serial killer.

/he'd be about 23 now
//I hope he started with her

Did the kid want to dress in girl clothes or did the mom just decide to do it?
b/c if the kid wanted it, fine. If the kid didn't want it...wtf?!

Sometimes I feel sorry for men with their restrictive dress choices...especially now in the summer when I can get away with wearing pretty much whatever I want(especially since a lot of workplaces are changing their dress codes...it's like as a woman I can wear whatever the hell I want -within reason) but the men are still stuck in their button-downs and trousers.


Sure, but on the other hand, men can get away with buying a lot fewer clothes.
 
2013-07-17 07:37:01 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: who just want to be recognized as normal folks.


That's an ostensibly lofty goal but I'm pretty sure Ward Cleaver is out blowing bums for SoCo in the Greyhound station bog in a tutu while listening to the Scissor Sisters and slamming meth with a turkey baster fit, so good luck on the normal index.  See, the problem with moving everything that doesn't fit comfortably in one's private Idaho into the margins is that eventually, we all end up in an S&M crack dungeon in N. Hollywood and completely out of people to be oppressed by.  Which isn't all that attractive if you can't change the channel.
 
2013-07-17 07:38:09 AM  
The people of Universe Gamma agree to go on a date with Yivo. But when Yivo doesn't seem to be making any kind of commitment, they decide to dump shklim. However, when they prepare to give shklim the news, Yivo proposes to Universe Gamma, and they accept. Everyone in Universe Gamma enters Yivo's universe and lives on top of shklim, which looks very similar to the concept of
 
2013-07-17 07:38:10 AM  

Fromageball: Did the kid want to dress in girl clothes or did the mom just decide to do it?


She decided to do it.  She wanted him to know what it was like.  It was a parenting choice.  She thought he's see what it felt like to be treated differently based on what gender you were perceived to be.

The f*cking kid was 3.

She was a crazy b*tch in general.
 
2013-07-17 07:38:57 AM  

Smackledorfer: Nabb1: And people wonder why we are lagging behind the rest of the industrialized world in science and math education and more and more high tech jobs are headed overseas.

Yep, it is the lgbt civil rights movement that destroys our ability to do math and science jobs for less money than a company can hire someone in china to do.

Truly you understand world economics and international business models.



Do you understand the drive by universities to be top ranked as a research university, and the cheapest way to do that is to hire a bunch of idiots who "research" gender and women's rights issues?

Or other liberal arts BS.  They can hire 2 or 3 of those professors for the cost it takes to make one lab for a physics professor to research in.

Economics.  Now I'm using the word too.
 
2013-07-17 07:39:06 AM  

CheatCommando: Or maybe, you know, offer to buy them a meal, even if it was at Subway or McDerp's?


I do stuff like that all the time.  Lately I'm having trouble feeding me and technically, I have three  jobs.   :  /  I sort of doubt this piece of fluff in TFA article is gonna save the world this week.
 
2013-07-17 07:39:48 AM  
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2013-07-17 07:41:19 AM  

Fromageball: ...it's like as a woman I can wear whatever the hell I want -within reason) but the men are still stuck in their button-downs and trousers.


And they wonder why they earn less...
 
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