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(Quartz)   Marissa Mayer has improved everything at Yahoo--except for its business   (qz.com) divider line 54
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2013-07-17 12:50:16 AM
Well, at least she removed WFH as an option for all employees while building a nursery for her kid at work.  You know, the kind of thing that endears a CEO to her employees.
 
2013-07-17 02:18:04 AM
No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.  Just sell the company to Google while you can still get something.
 
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2013-07-17 03:15:14 AM

Lsherm: You know, the kind of thing that endears a CEO to her employees.


She's kind of a biatch, and hard to work for.  I don't see many rank-and-file types following her into the water.
 
2013-07-17 05:34:38 AM
Is she still dating Katy Perry?
 
2013-07-17 05:41:08 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-17 06:29:17 AM

TuteTibiImperes: No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.  Just sell the company to Google while you can still get something.


There is absolutely nothing there that Google wants. The only thing they offer that Google doesn't is fantasy sports, and their system is terrible for that as well.
 
2013-07-17 06:41:42 AM

TuteTibiImperes: No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.  Just sell the company to Google while you can still get something.


And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so.  Can someone explain to me why that is?
 
2013-07-17 06:42:20 AM
Klivian:
There is absolutely nothing there that Google wants. The only thing they offer that Google doesn't is fantasy sports, and their system is terrible for that as well.

Huh... that's actually about the only thing that I do like about them. I tried ESPN and CBS leagues last year, and they were awful in comparison.
 
2013-07-17 06:42:35 AM

Lsherm: Well, at least she removed WFH as an option for all employees while building a nursery for her kid at work.  You know, the kind of thing that endears a CEO to her employees.


She waited until the nursery was finished before announcing the removal of WFH. We call it candy and flowering employees in the Cheney tradition.
 
2013-07-17 06:51:58 AM

AngryDragon: And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so. Can someone explain to me why that is?


It's a very attractive face.
 
2013-07-17 06:52:01 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Klivian:
There is absolutely nothing there that Google wants. The only thing they offer that Google doesn't is fantasy sports, and their system is terrible for that as well.

Huh... that's actually about the only thing that I do like about them. I tried ESPN and CBS leagues last year, and they were awful in comparison.


Never tried to use their mobile app on a Sunday, eh?
 
2013-07-17 07:04:28 AM
Yahoo has a lot of catching up to do.  It's not always possible to do that by simply changing the top.  It helps, but more ranks probably need to change and that takes a lot of time to do responsibly.
 
2013-07-17 07:28:40 AM

Klivian: Incorrigible Astronaut: Klivian:
There is absolutely nothing there that Google wants. The only thing they offer that Google doesn't is fantasy sports, and their system is terrible for that as well.

Huh... that's actually about the only thing that I do like about them. I tried ESPN and CBS leagues last year, and they were awful in comparison.

Never tried to use their mobile app on a Sunday, eh?


Oh, the mobile app blows, but you could say that about any of them. I've gone with either third-party apps or accessing the desktop version to get around it.
 
2013-07-17 07:30:54 AM
Subby, why are you so aggressive towards women and Moms succeeding at the boardroom?! The all-boys-club days are over, you sexist.
 
2013-07-17 07:39:34 AM
She seemed a bit over hyped. I recall reading a profile of her that basically said she was a do-nothing at Google for years, just coasting on the fact that she was there at the start. I have no idea if any of that is true of course.

Though I somehow doubt anyone put in to that chair would be doing too much better, and she still has time.
 
2013-07-17 07:43:07 AM
Hee Haw.
Fifty million to leave. Just watch.
 
2013-07-17 07:51:26 AM
1) The Yahoo Weather iOS app is really nice.

2) Yahoo mail makes a great throw away spam account.

Those are the only things I can say about Yahoo that I use or like.
 
2013-07-17 07:55:29 AM

MightyPez: 1) The Yahoo Weather iOS app is really nice.

2) Yahoo mail makes a great throw away spam

adult personals account.

Those are the only things I can say about Yahoo that I use or like.


FTFY
 
2013-07-17 08:04:51 AM
I hate to admit it but my wife used the Yahoo search engine

Granted that was after my daughter downloaded a Minecraft mod that put malware on the computer that changed the default page.to one that uses the Yahoo search engine.
 
2013-07-17 08:42:06 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Klivian:
There is absolutely nothing there that Google wants. The only thing they offer that Google doesn't is fantasy sports, and their system is terrible for that as well.

Huh... that's actually about the only thing that I do like about them. I tried ESPN and CBS leagues last year, and they were awful in comparison.


I've been pretty happy with the NFL league.
 
2013-07-17 08:45:00 AM
I still want to have sex with her, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-07-17 08:45:28 AM
She has not improved Flickr.

/old
//bitter
///unconcerned
 
2013-07-17 08:50:04 AM

AngryDragon: TuteTibiImperes: No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.  Just sell the company to Google while you can still get something.

And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so.  Can someone explain to me why that is?


She's a CILF.
 
2013-07-17 08:54:07 AM
Flickr capacity for free accounts has been increased to a terrabyte or some such crazy.
But ads have appeared in tumblr feeds.
 
2013-07-17 09:15:34 AM
Used to have Yahoo News bookmarked and checked it many times a day. I always liked the layout better than google news or any other site. I just got tired of them insisting on showing me news and weather for Sunnyvale California depsite living in St. Louis and being logged into my yahoo profile.
 
2013-07-17 09:20:33 AM
Total revenue is up 2%.  That's a terrible number by any standards, let alone a tech company.
 
2013-07-17 09:33:20 AM
Has anyone mentioned yet that she is HOT?
 
2013-07-17 09:46:04 AM

shpritz: AngryDragon: And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so. Can someone explain to me why that is?

It's a very attractive face.


She's an attractive, female, CEO. She's the feminist poster child, even if she's farking over other women.
 
2013-07-17 09:52:01 AM

AngryDragon: TuteTibiImperes: No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.  Just sell the company to Google while you can still get something.

And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so.  Can someone explain to me why that is?


1. The whole attractive female thing.

2. Yahoo was once one of the big internet brands, back when commercial internet was just getting started. So now it's struggling, and people root for it to fall because they are dicks and enjoy schaedenfreud too much.
 
2013-07-17 09:58:34 AM
The amount of coverage she gets is dumb.  If she's doing something well, she's a feminist poster child for succeeding in an executive position as a woman while raising a child.  If she's failing at someone, it's pointed out in what often seems like an underhanded way of knocking her for being a woman.  I'd almost feel bad for her if she wasn't making a gazillion dollars whether she succeeds or fails.
 
2013-07-17 10:02:15 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Flickr capacity for free accounts has been increased to a terrabyte or some such crazy.
But ads have appeared in tumblr feeds.


ads were going to appear in tumblr feeds regardless if it was bought by Yahoo or not. prior to the buyout, Tumblr was falling well short of financial targets and losing executives.

tumblr had to monetize its platform somehow.
 
2013-07-17 10:31:02 AM

inglixthemad: She's the feminist poster child, even if she's farking over other women.


The notion that Marissa would treat women differently than any other CEO is as confusing to me as the assumption that Barry O would "do things" specifically for black folks once elected.
 
2013-07-17 10:58:14 AM
I've got an idea.

Stop spending stupid amounts of money to acquire other companies, only to let them rot away to nothing after the acquisition.

This doesn't only apply to Yahoo, and it certainly doesn't only apply to, for example, Yahoo's recent acquisition of Tumblr under Mayer.

Yahoo paid over three and a half Billion dollars for GeoCities. Then they allowed it to rot away into nothingness and shut it down.

Talk about destroying shareholder value.
 
2013-07-17 11:03:40 AM
Yahoo was a popular web directory back when there were only a handful of websites, and the search engines were all poor. Once Google surged, Yahoo became useless. Also their name is lame.
 
2013-07-17 11:05:24 AM

TuteTibiImperes: No one gives a damn about Yahoo.  Admitting to using Yahoo shows you're more out of touch than non-bands with MySpace pages or people with AOL e-mail addresses.


Guess I'm "out of touch". "My Yahoo" is my homepage, and Yahoo Email Plus has been my primary address since 1999.
 
2013-07-17 11:20:54 AM

rjucksch: inglixthemad: She's the feminist poster child, even if she's farking over other women.

The notion that Marissa would treat women differently than any other CEO is as confusing to me as the assumption that Barry O would "do things" specifically for black folks once elected.


There is the assumption that she would be a little more understanding because she has faced the same kinds of work/life balance issues that other women face in the workplace.

I reality, with women it is a bit of a crapshoot though, because sometimes you get these women who are hardcore about their job and brutally attack other women that don't have the same attitude, or you get women that are just like the ultimate mean girl and terrorize the office when they get in charge (my wife has run into this in her workplace). Sometimes you actually have male bosses that give women a little more leeway because a lot of men won't treat women as harshly as they treat other men, while women can be incredibly cruel to other women ("look at that biatch eating crackers like she owns the place", for example).
 
2013-07-17 11:32:42 AM
If Yahoo wants to get back into the game they need an "Oh Wow!" app/product.  Right now they have a good set of products, but no single "must have" stand-out.  People here have mentioned liking Yahoo News.  If I'm not feeling like actually logging into my brokerage account Yahoo finance is pretty awesome.  When Google first started out their "Oh Wow!" product was the search.  It's what got me to switch my home page to google's search, then they shortly followed that up with gmail and google maps which has kept me there.  Yahoo has good competing products, but they don't have one that wows me enough to make the switch.  The longer they wait the harder it will be as Google is digging its grubby claws into me via Android.
 
2013-07-17 11:40:48 AM
She's like any other CEO.  The goal isn't to actually make the company better, the goal is to make the company appear better in the short term and cash out inflated stocks.

Along with any number of men, she'll be remembered as Carly Fiorina 2.0.  A rich failure.
 
2013-07-17 12:05:46 PM
Could be wrong, but I suppose it was her that trashed the basic Yahoo email. The new basic, is the worst, most cumbersome piece of trash I have ever seen.

And of course they want me to buy into their advanced version.

Advanced versions only get buy-in if you offer a great basic version. It is a pointless strategy to offer trash as an inducement to buy something you want customers to believe is "Better."
 
2013-07-17 12:06:03 PM

inglixthemad: shpritz: AngryDragon: And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so. Can someone explain to me why that is?

It's a very attractive face.

She's an attractive, female, CEO. She's the feminist poster child, even if she's farking over other women.


Right, it's because of all those feminist hippies in charge at the WSJ.
 
2013-07-17 12:12:33 PM

MightyPez: 1) The Yahoo Weather iOS app is really nice.

2) Yahoo mail makes a great throw away spam account.

Those are the only things I can say about Yahoo that I use or like.


I've had a yahoo mail account for almost 20 years, so I'm sentimental about it, and I used to use Yahoo News to do my morning "get informed/ Read stuff to submit to Fark with a funny headline" drill.  Up until about two weeks ago when they rolled out the New Yahoo news format, which I hate so much I no longer bother going there much at all,  So I figure, based on my old GL rate, I've cost them ~10,000 page clicks personally since they screwed up thier news pages
 
2013-07-17 12:49:13 PM

Mad_Radhu: rjucksch: inglixthemad: She's the feminist poster child, even if she's farking over other women.

The notion that Marissa would treat women differently than any other CEO is as confusing to me as the assumption that Barry O would "do things" specifically for black folks once elected.

There is the assumption that she would be a little more understanding because she has faced the same kinds of work/life balance issues that other women face in the workplace.

I reality, with women it is a bit of a crapshoot though, because sometimes you get these women who are hardcore about their job and brutally attack other women that don't have the same attitude, or you get women that are just like the ultimate mean girl and terrorize the office when they get in charge (my wife has run into this in her workplace). Sometimes you actually have male bosses that give women a little more leeway because a lot of men won't treat women as harshly as they treat other men, while women can be incredibly cruel to other women ("look at that biatch eating crackers like she owns the place", for example).


Another variation on this is the "Queen Bee" effect.  Some women want to be the only women on the board, in the room, in the office or what ever level they are on.  It is similar to women wanting to be the only one in the bar/at the party, so they don't have to compete for all the mens' attention in the bar/at the party.  Women will sabotage other women on the rise so they can be the Queen Bee.  Ancedotally(spelling?)  , women don't seem good at the team concept.

CSB: Mom was a boss that had an office full of all women.  Problem was they were all paid less then male equivalent at other offices across the country/company.  Mom talked the office into everyone walking out/quitting unless their salaries were altered.  This was for a scientific journal, and her office handled all the subscriptions, which is the lifeblood for a publication.  Well, they all quit except one, she saw it as an opportunity to quickly advance.  And since one person remained to process subscriptions and the revenue source, they didn't meet the demands of the others when they all quit.  She never did get a raise, they just hired around her to fill the gaps.  ancedotal, but it has stuck with me thru the years.
 
2013-07-17 01:38:03 PM

AngryDragon: And yet we see her face plastered all over the financial news about every three days or so. Can someone explain to me why that is?


It's a pretty face, so.. that?

Meanwhile I'd rather have work-from-home than swag or a free lunch.
 
2013-07-17 01:39:40 PM

BullBearMS: Yahoo paid over three and a half Billion dollars for GeoCities. Then they allowed it to rot away into nothingness and shut it down.

Talk about destroying shareholder value.


GeoCities is like an old joke by now, but I always thought it was a pretty clever concept: Allow people to design their own pages using simple drag-n-drop, cut-and-paste techniques instead of having to spend days/weeks learning HTML, JavaScript, etc. I can't think of any other app going now that lets "non-technie" people do that. And something tells me the Facebook crowd might like that.
 
2013-07-17 01:52:44 PM

WordyGrrl: Allow people to design their own pages using simple drag-n-drop, cut-and-paste techniques instead of having to spend days/weeks learning HTML, JavaScript, etc. I can't think of any other app going now that lets "non-technie" people do that. And something tells me the Facebook crowd might like that.


I think for the vast majority of people, Facebook *is* sufficient for designing their own web pages.

For "non-technie" people who want to build real web sites and phone apps, I've read good things about Wix.

Techchrunch - Now At 25M Users, Wix Brings Third-Party Apps To Its Website Builder With New Marketplace
 http://www.wix.com/
 
2013-07-17 01:56:33 PM
Would former YHOO management have gotten as good a price, and thereby boosted the implicit valuation of their remaining stake, in Alibaba? Would former YHOO management have been able to revamp of the web pages to be more buzzword-compliant, when they couldn't even attract the sort of employees who do that buzzword-compliant kind of stuff?

Yes, the "giant wall of randomly-positioned textless thumbnails that get lazy-loaded while scrolling" version of Flickr is less usable than the older version that just loaded the thumbnails in a neat little grid and actually showed enough metadata to let you know whether your search for tags were even remotely close to the right place (like, are those pictures from SDCC this year or last year?) No, tumblr probably isn't worth $1.1B. But so what?

If aggressive moves like these have goosed the stock price by 70% in a year, even if only temporarily, who the fark cares what happens to the business? If the business ends up dying, it's no big loss, because it was every bit as doomed without her anyways. Good on her.
 
2013-07-17 01:56:36 PM
 
2013-07-17 03:43:50 PM
Who cares? This is Yahoo we're talking about. They'll have another CEO by the time you finish reading this sentence.
 
2013-07-17 03:58:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: She seemed a bit over hyped. I recall reading a profile of her that basically said she was a do-nothing at Google for years, just coasting on the fact that she was there at the start. I have no idea if any of that is true of course.

Though I somehow doubt anyone put in to that chair would be doing too much better, and she still has time.


Link? I'm curious to read; I've not seen one single piece of evidence that has suggested that she is capable of doing actual engineering. The word engineer has been put near her name in internet posts, but no evidence. The only things I've seen are "she uses spreadsheets!!!!11oneoneeleven"
 
2013-07-17 09:25:41 PM

daveinsurgent: HotWingConspiracy: She seemed a bit over hyped. I recall reading a profile of her that basically said she was a do-nothing at Google for years, just coasting on the fact that she was there at the start. I have no idea if any of that is true of course.

Though I somehow doubt anyone put in to that chair would be doing too much better, and she still has time.

Link? I'm curious to read; I've not seen one single piece of evidence that has suggested that she is capable of doing actual engineering. The word engineer has been put near her name in internet posts, but no evidence. The only things I've seen are "she uses spreadsheets!!!!11oneoneeleven"


I use spreadsheets. I'm an accountant. I'll be CEO of a tech company if anyone wants to hire.
 
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