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(Slate)   Problem: Multiple polls show you trailing in your race to become governor. Solution: Invent a fictitious poll that shows you leading in order to prove that you can't trust polls   (slate.com) divider line 130
    More: Dumbass, Terry McAuliffe, Cuccinelli, E.W. Jackson, Public Policy Polling, governors  
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2013-07-16 10:21:53 PM
Are the Republicans going to be unskewing polls in every election from here on out?


Ha ha! There is no RRR poll-the campaign is joking that PPP is obviously biased and flawed and that by listing the Libertarian candidate in its poll (he gets 7 percent) it's skewing the results.
 
2013-07-16 10:34:50 PM
Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-07-16 10:44:31 PM

spongeboob: Are the Republicans going to be unskewing polls in every election from here on out?


The beatings unskewing will continue until morale election results improve.
 
2013-07-16 10:53:22 PM

nmrsnr: spongeboob: Are the Republicans going to be unskewing polls in every election from here on out?

The beatings unskewing will continue until morale election results improve.


That should work out just as well.
 
2013-07-16 11:03:33 PM
GERRYMANDERING!

It's the new N-word.
 
2013-07-17 12:14:11 AM
It's fun to laugh and point, but half of our political system is intentionally detached from reality.
 
2013-07-17 12:53:20 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com

/oblig
 
2013-07-17 01:14:12 AM

TheOmni: Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.


Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.

Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.


/Pathetic bastards can't win on their ideas because they have none
 
2013-07-17 01:53:15 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: TheOmni: Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.

Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.

Math Republicans do to make themselves feel better.

/Pathetic bastards can't win on their ideas because they have none


I don't think that's fair. They have ideas. They're just stupid ones.
 
2013-07-17 01:54:29 AM
He really puts the cooch in Cuccinelli
 
2013-07-17 01:55:08 AM
How is Cucinelli only trailing by 4? He's batshiat insane!!
 
2013-07-17 01:59:48 AM
wonkette.com

/Oblig
 
2013-07-17 02:03:27 AM

ComicBookGuy: How is Cucinelli only trailing by 4? He's batshiat insane!!


Virginia
 
2013-07-17 02:04:29 AM

Old republican question:


Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

New republican question:

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-17 02:07:27 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Pathetic bastards can't win on their ideas because they have none


OK, in all fairness, in both parties there are people with a real interest in serving the public, with coherent and thought-out ideas that, even if you don't agree with them philosophically, at least have some grounding in real issues of meaningful practical priority and goals that are ultimately sympathetic to most people.

In each party there are also a bunch of goddamned morons.

The difference between the GOP and the Dems is less the presence or absence of one or the other group as which group is usually ultimately in charge.  The Dems usually have a layer of idiots backed by a group of competent people pulling the strings.  The GOP's more like a layer of idiots with a few competent people that used to pull the strings holding on for dear life like a man riding a mechanical bull over a spike-filled pit, that's also on fire.

All the ideas in the world won't help you if you can't manage your base, or bargained for more populist power than you can actually control.  You know there's like twenty guys somewhere up the GOP hierarchy that genuinely want to reasonably reduce the influence of the federal government in a responsible fashion that leads to a balanced budget without screwing anyone, and their mental soundtrack for the last decade has just been an uninterrupted litany of profanity.
 
2013-07-17 02:11:40 AM

Jim_Callahan: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Pathetic bastards can't win on their ideas because they have none

OK, in all fairness, in both parties there are people with a real interest in serving the public, with coherent and thought-out ideas that, even if you don't agree with them philosophically, at least have some grounding in real issues of meaningful practical priority and goals that are ultimately sympathetic to most people.

In each party there are also a bunch of goddamned morons.

The difference between the GOP and the Dems is less the presence or absence of one or the other group as which group is usually ultimately in charge.  The Dems usually have a layer of idiots backed by a group of competent people pulling the strings.  The GOP's more like a layer of idiots with a few competent people that used to pull the strings holding on for dear life like a man riding a mechanical bull over a spike-filled pit, that's also on fire.

All the ideas in the world won't help you if you can't manage your base, or bargained for more populist power than you can actually control.  You know there's like twenty guys somewhere up the GOP hierarchy that genuinely want to reasonably reduce the influence of the federal government in a responsible fashion that leads to a balanced budget without screwing anyone, and their mental soundtrack for the last decade has just been an uninterrupted litany of profanity.


The Republican party could resolve the whole issue by a simple act of rebranding

/Just start calling themselves the Tourette's Party
//MOTHERCOCKSH*T
 
2013-07-17 02:12:21 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
"Amateurs"
 
2013-07-17 02:16:46 AM
I blame the Black Panthers.
 
2013-07-17 02:31:06 AM

Jim_Callahan: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Pathetic bastards can't win on their ideas because they have none

OK, in all fairness, in both parties there are people with a real interest in serving the public, with coherent and thought-out ideas that, even if you don't agree with them philosophically, at least have some grounding in real issues of meaningful practical priority and goals that are ultimately sympathetic to most people.

In each party there are also a bunch of goddamned morons.

The difference between the GOP and the Dems is less the presence or absence of one or the other group as which group is usually ultimately in charge.  The Dems usually have a layer of idiots backed by a group of competent people pulling the strings.  The GOP's more like a layer of idiots with a few competent people that used to pull the strings holding on for dear life like a man riding a mechanical bull over a spike-filled pit, that's also on fire.

All the ideas in the world won't help you if you can't manage your base, or bargained for more populist power than you can actually control.  You know there's like twenty guys somewhere up the GOP hierarchy that genuinely want to reasonably reduce the influence of the federal government in a responsible fashion that leads to a balanced budget without screwing anyone, and their mental soundtrack for the last decade has just been an uninterrupted litany of profanity.


Hey, they could always simply become even more extremely conservative and jettison the RINOs.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-07-17 02:31:06 AM
There is no margin of error, since RRR only produces error free surveys

I wasn't aware math counted as a science, and as such am surprised that this Republican doesn't believe in it.
 
2013-07-17 02:31:59 AM
I'm Sh*t King of F&ck mountain!

and I don't own a Tee-Vee
 
2013-07-17 02:32:30 AM
It seems like there might be a huge market for fake polling. Quick! Set up a shell company, shovel some money in and start cranking out numbers, regardless of whether they make sense or not!

/The latest polls from the WITTY* institute show that the dogs are up by infinity percent.

*Warrgharrbl Institute of Theocratic Thermal Yodeling
 
2013-07-17 02:35:58 AM
He's been implicated in the same scandals as Gov. Ultrasound, so he may not last until election day without an indictment.
 
2013-07-17 02:39:51 AM

HighOnCraic: Hey, they could always simply become even more extremely conservative and jettison the RINOs.  What could possibly go wrong?


Well, the problem for the people considering leaving is that politics is a game of connections, and ditching your party can mean starting from scratch and having the same chance of failure as a newcomer.

So RINOs aren't really ditching the party so much as new blood with some intellectual heft is looking at the party and deciding that the environment's not conducive to a career, and going with the democrats instead where they have any choice at all (they don't always).

All this sort of adds up to why the GOP is dying the slow death of a thousand cuts and hanging on long enough to fark a lot of shiat up in its death spasms instead of just becoming a ghost town overnight as it likely would if members could just say "fark it" and switch like voters can.
 
2013-07-17 02:43:15 AM
Does it work?

/ dnrtfa
 
2013-07-17 02:44:36 AM
You can't make policy if you don't win the seat. The important thing is to win first, then worry about the policy.
 
2013-07-17 02:46:38 AM
This is pretty consistent with Republican logic. Tell everyone that government can't do anything right, get elected, proceed to sabotage government and do a terrible job, repeat.
 
2013-07-17 02:50:41 AM
Guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in reality. And reality has a well-known liberal bias.

www.themerrymonk.com
 
2013-07-17 03:04:19 AM
A Republican in Virginia is doing something duplicitous and slimy? What, did the sun come up in the east today or something?
 
2013-07-17 03:08:20 AM
(Reality + (Reagan(America + patriotism))) * (0bummer - b..but Bush) - (the libs+the gays+abortions)  - (communism * socialism) = actual fact

suck it libs
 
2013-07-17 03:15:49 AM

spongeboob: Are the Republicans going to be unskewing polls in every election from here on out?


Ha ha! There is no RRR poll-the campaign is joking that PPP is obviously biased and flawed and that by listing the Libertarian candidate in its poll (he gets 7 percent) it's skewing the results.


...he does know that PPP was one of the most accurate polls of the 2012 elections, right?
 
2013-07-17 03:19:11 AM

mephox: It seems like there might be a huge market for fake polling. Quick! Set up a shell company, shovel some money in and start cranking out numbers, regardless of whether they make sense or not!

/The latest polls from the WITTY* institute show that the dogs are up by infinity percent.

*Warrgharrbl Institute of Theocratic Thermal Yodeling


There is a market, and the company filling that niche was called Strategic Vision. Best I can tell from their website  http://www.strategicvision.biz/, they seem to have abandoned polling after a wee controversy in 2009, and now do straight PR.
 
2013-07-17 03:27:19 AM

IlGreven: ...he does know that PPP was one of the  most accurate polls of the 2012 elections, right?


So then you're admitting they consistently favored democrats.
 
2013-07-17 04:10:16 AM

spongeboob: Are the Republicans going to be unskewing polls in every election from here on out?


Ha ha! There is no RRR poll-the campaign is joking that PPP is obviously biased and flawed and that by listing the Libertarian candidate in its poll (he gets 7 percent) it's skewing the results.


Should really let them "un"skew the polls in their favor as much as they want.

There are psychological factors that come into play when a side thinks it's going to win over the other that leads to fewer votes on their side (I don't have time to go out there and vote, and we're gonna win anyway, so what's the point?).  Same thing in the other direction for a side that thinks it's going to lose, at least until their perceived chances are too low.
 
2013-07-17 04:44:11 AM
Typical Fark. Only links to stories where it's Republicans doing this sort of thing.
 
2013-07-17 05:28:54 AM

Ilmarinen: Typical Fark. Only links to stories where it's Republicans doing this sort of thing.


You know of anyone else doing it?  No?
 
2013-07-17 05:30:45 AM

Albino Squid: mephox: It seems like there might be a huge market for fake polling. Quick! Set up a shell company, shovel some money in and start cranking out numbers, regardless of whether they make sense or not!

/The latest polls from the WITTY* institute show that the dogs are up by infinity percent.

*Warrgharrbl Institute of Theocratic Thermal Yodeling

There is a market, and the company filling that niche was called Strategic Vision. Best I can tell from their website  http://www.strategicvision.biz/, they seem to have abandoned polling after a wee controversy in 2009, and now do straight PR.


And by "wee controversy", I assume you're referring to the wonderful series of posts by Nate Silver in which he showed that Strategic Vision's results looked an awful lot like what you'd get if somebody naive about statistics made them up out of whole cloth, and wondered aloud whether SV had ever actually conducted a poll and if so, where was the call center in question? SV blustered about libel and lawsuits for a while, then quietly slunk away...
 
2013-07-17 05:31:23 AM
cdn-static.zdnet.comspinsucks.com

bnemarketing.comencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

*NARF!*

 
2013-07-17 06:01:39 AM
czetie:
And by "wee controversy", I assume you're referring to the wonderful series of posts by Nate Silver in which he showed that Strategic Vision's results looked an awful lot like what you'd get if somebody naive about statistics made them up out of whole cloth, and wondered aloud whether SV had ever actually conducted a poll and if so, where was the call center in question? SV blustered about libel and lawsuits for a while, then quietly slunk away...

There was also the bit where the American Association for Public Opinion Research flagged them because they refused to provide any information beyond the top-lines, and the fact that SV was supposedly conducting live calling, which is very expensive, and covering a great many races many months out, all while operating out of a small office in rural Georgia. Yep, that'd be the wee controversy.
 
2013-07-17 06:47:55 AM
"Come with me... And you'll be... living in a world of pure imagination..."


Ought to be the GOP's theme song...
 
2013-07-17 06:56:14 AM

Mantour: [wonkette.com image 494x316]

/Oblig


Um...is that real?  I mean, I know it's Fox News and all, but...there's no way that can be real.  Can it?

/I don't want to live on this planet any more.
 
2013-07-17 07:08:14 AM

thamike: [cdn-static.zdnet.com image 472x327][spinsucks.com image 267x267]

[bnemarketing.com image 256x320][encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 465x321]

*NARF!*


I want to force myself to develop telekinesis on a cosmic scale, so I can destroy every person in that third picture, molecule by molecule.
 
2013-07-17 07:08:36 AM
I'm okay with knowing that guy isn't GOV of a state in this country.
 
2013-07-17 07:10:22 AM

fusillade762: I blame the Black Panthers.


You say that in jest, but yesterday I caught a glimpse of Fox and Friends as I passed thru the galley. They were going on about the Zimmerman verdict and "just asking questions" about whether Holder was going to bring a civil rights case against him.

I am sure it is just their video short hand for race fear by talking over video of those two black panthers at the polling place, what 6 years ago?

Like I said you jest, but the whispers are just that "are you fearful of the blacks, yet?"
 
2013-07-17 07:10:50 AM

taoistlumberjak: I'm okay with knowing that guy isn't GOV of a state in this country.


Currently an Attorney General.. that's not usually a job that you want to give to an untrustworthy person.
 
2013-07-17 07:16:49 AM

Alphax: taoistlumberjak: I'm okay with knowing that guy isn't GOV of a state in this country.

Currently an Attorney General.. that's not usually a job that you want to give to an untrustworthy person.


And yet, here we are.
 
2013-07-17 07:19:19 AM

taoistlumberjak: Alphax: taoistlumberjak: I'm okay with knowing that guy isn't GOV of a state in this country.

Currently an Attorney General.. that's not usually a job that you want to give to an untrustworthy person.

And yet, here we are.


IIRC, one of his acts in office was to order the state colleges to remove their restrictions that ban discrimination against gay people.
 
2013-07-17 07:21:43 AM
According to the latest RRR Poll, Ken Cuccinelli leads his opponent Terry McAuliffe by 13.3 points, up from 12 points from RRR's inaugural Poll released May 30th... There is no margin of error, since RRR only produces error free surveys - and unlike PPP or DDD - we poll those actually voting (as we think that's important).

Is this their campaign spokesman?

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2013-07-17 07:24:54 AM
And again, this won't matter to the people that vote for him.
 
2013-07-17 07:34:55 AM

keylock71: "Come with me... And you'll be... living in a world of pure imagination..."


Ought to be the GOP's theme song...


I would also have accepted "Xanadu."
 
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