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2013-07-16 07:49:41 PM
Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?
 
2013-07-16 08:07:23 PM
fc00.deviantart.net
 
2013-07-16 08:08:00 PM
Wile E Coyote approves.
 
2013-07-16 08:20:44 PM
That's quite a nice model, sir.
 
2013-07-16 08:23:36 PM
I am terrified to fly. I would get in this, in a heartbeat.
 
2013-07-16 08:30:23 PM
Seems simple in theory, but the construction costs would be prohibitive for any large-scale system.
 
2013-07-16 08:57:45 PM
Useless until we get Total Recall.
 
2013-07-16 08:57:53 PM

reported: Seems simple in theory, but the construction costs would be prohibitive for any large-scale system.


So is building another highway.
 
2013-07-16 08:57:53 PM
We've legalized pot and we are getting the tube technology..

What about no more rich and poor people?

/ hail the D!!!
 
2013-07-16 09:01:02 PM
And maintaining a vacuum of that size will only required a1/3 of the nation's electricity.
 
2013-07-16 09:01:03 PM
Sorta-kinda repeat. Oh well, slow news day...

DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?


Not much that goes wrong when flying or driving is survivable, either. Or motorcycling or riding a train or really any activity that makes your little meat body go faster than it can run.

Agree with the practicality, though. Why *does* your little meat body need to go from LA to NY in minutes? The Concorde could go from London to NY lickety-split but it couldn't make enough money to stay in business, except for subsidies in the name of national pride -- and it's route (thin air) required no construction or maintenance ...
 
2013-07-16 09:02:38 PM
FIRST EVER GREENLIGHT HELL YES
 
2013-07-16 09:02:40 PM

DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?


Cool, but I'm already screaming with claustrophobia.
They have to have escape tunnels because we know something would go wrong.

Not a mention what happens if there's a sudden decel from 4500MPH -  I guess the passengers bodies could be sent home in an envelope.
 
2013-07-16 09:03:02 PM

DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?


Unless the tube ruptures right were the capsule is, I imagine there would be something of a jolt, then the thing slowing down do to wind resistance.  Though, with sensors in place to detect changes in air pressure through the system, you could start slowing the capsule with the magnets before they hit the wall of air.

Just my guess, I was an English major, not an engineer.
 
2013-07-16 09:04:22 PM

StopLurkListen: Agree with the practicality, though. Why *does* your little meat body need to go from LA to NY in minutes? The Concorde could go from London to NY lickety-split but it couldn't make enough money to stay in business, except for subsidies in the name of national pride -- and it's route (thin air) required no construction or maintenance ...


'zactly.  Teleportation.  Send your holo-double in real time.
Even now they tout teleconferencing to save travel expenses.
 
2013-07-16 09:05:06 PM
From New York to L.A. in under an hour, great.  Figure in all the stops in between and suddenly that 45 minute trip becomes 8 hours.  Unless you put hubs in all major cities, or at least one major city per state, then one station in each major city, and then you could network the entire U.S. in such a way that you could get across the nation in three hours.  Get a job near a station, put a park n ride next to each station, you could then live in Washington State, and have a daily commute to New York City.
 
2013-07-16 09:06:01 PM

kimwim: reported: Seems simple in theory, but the construction costs would be prohibitive for any large-scale system.

So is building another highway.


Not even in the same ballpark.

StopLurkListen: it couldn't make enough money to stay in business, except for subsidies in the name of national pride


That sounds familiar... Wait, it's coming back to me... Oh yeah, space. That's it.
 
2013-07-16 09:08:07 PM
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Would be interested in taking a ride.
 
2013-07-16 09:08:23 PM

kimwim: reported: Seems simple in theory, but the construction costs would be prohibitive for any large-scale system.

So is building another highway.


It would be cheaper than what is going to be spent on the damn white elephant high speed rail system here in California.  That piece of shiat serves only one purpose.  It's a method of putting huge amounts of taxpayer money in the pockets of the "right" people.
 
2013-07-16 09:13:41 PM

RatMaster999: DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?

Unless the tube ruptures right were the capsule is, I imagine there would be something of a jolt, then the thing slowing down do to wind resistance.  Though, with sensors in place to detect changes in air pressure through the system, you could start slowing the capsule with the magnets before they hit the wall of air.

Just my guess, I was an English major, not an engineer.


Do != due

I point this out because you are an English major.


See! I'm helpful!
 
2013-07-16 09:13:42 PM
static.ddmcdn.com
Been done
 
2013-07-16 09:13:49 PM
One of the nice things about air travel is it is essentially impossible for the average idiot to do harm to aircraft as they criss-cross our nation as they are out of sight and out of reach. Putting a high-speed transportation system on the ground is asking for some dumbass to cause a wreck.
 
2013-07-16 09:13:52 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: / hail the D!!!


And the double D.  You aren't fooling me... I have seen your posts!

/love the tube idea though.
 
2013-07-16 09:14:08 PM

StopLurkListen: Sorta-kinda repeat. Oh well, slow news day...

DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?

Not much that goes wrong when flying or driving is survivable, either. Or motorcycling or riding a train or really any activity that makes your little meat body go faster than it can run.

Agree with the practicality, though. Why *does* your little meat body need to go from LA to NY in minutes? The Concorde could go from London to NY lickety-split but it couldn't make enough money to stay in business, except for subsidies in the name of national pride -- and it's route (thin air) required no construction or maintenance ...


"Little meat body"? I just have to laugh. You are one smug individual.
 
2013-07-16 09:15:14 PM
"Good ride, huh?"
"Yeah. Made it time for my meeting."

www.chevychasecentral.com
/hot like a hot tube
 
2013-07-16 09:17:01 PM

Nogrhi: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / hail the D!!!

And the double D.  You aren't fooling me... I have seen your posts!

/love the tube idea though.


You know how I know you don't know about the greatest rock band in history?
 
2013-07-16 09:18:28 PM
I'm working on setting up a company to implement this ins Portland. Proof of concept will be Portland to Salem.
 
2013-07-16 09:20:07 PM

reported: Seems simple in theory, but the construction costs would be prohibitive for any large-scale system.


This article is crummy, but construction costs will be about 1/10 as much as bullet trains.
 
2013-07-16 09:20:29 PM

justtray: FIRST EVER GREENLIGHT HELL YES


Did you submit it three months ago when it was news?

/congratulations on your broken cherry.
 
2013-07-16 09:20:43 PM

netringer: DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?

Cool, but I'm already screaming with claustrophobia.
They have to have escape tunnels because we know something would go wrong.

Not a mention what happens if there's a sudden decel from 4500MPH -  I guess the passengers bodies could be sent home in an envelope.


I could just see that NTSB after-crash report:

"So, we've pulled the remains from the wreckage, and after careful analysis, we are fairly certain the passengers were organic. Fairly certain. We're going to try and nail down the species, but..."
"People were in that train, man!"
"Do you have any idea of what happens to stuff when it collides at 4500 mph?! You're damn lucky it didn't spawn a meat-hole..."
 
2013-07-16 09:20:56 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Nogrhi: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / hail the D!!!

And the double D.  You aren't fooling me... I have seen your posts!

/love the tube idea though.

You know how I know you don't know about the greatest rock band in history?


Wow.  Tenacious aren't you?
 
2013-07-16 09:21:04 PM

stuhayes2010: And maintaining a vacuum of that size will only required a1/3 of the nation's electricity.


Article is wrong. This won't be a vacuum tube. The ET3 thing is, but hyper loop is not.
 
2013-07-16 09:24:16 PM
Heat dissipation
Only by radiation
Fails on occasion
 
2013-07-16 09:24:17 PM
This actually will be less prone to terrorism than air flight. Since the cars will be just single or double occupancy, there is a limit to how many people a terrorist could kill.  At most him self and a handful of cars behind.
 
2013-07-16 09:24:40 PM

StopLurkListen: Not much that goes wrong when flying or driving is survivable, either. Or motorcycling or riding a train or really any activity that makes your little meat body go faster than it can run.


WTF kind of cars are you driving? In most (I would venture 99+%) technical or equipment failures in a car... it will simply stop working, slow down and eventually stop.
 
2013-07-16 09:25:09 PM
Is there a chance the tube could bend?
 
2013-07-16 09:27:00 PM

NobleHam: Is there a chance the tube could bend?


Not a chance my Hindu friend.
 
2013-07-16 09:27:02 PM

Hollie Maea: This actually will be less prone to terrorism than air flight. Since the cars will be just single or double occupancy, there is a limit to how many people a terrorist could kill.  At most him self and a handful of cars behind.


And everyone else who doesn't get the news/can't slow down in time and hits the damaged area going thousands of miles per hour.
 
2013-07-16 09:30:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: RatMaster999: DamnYankees: Doesn't seem all that practical. And what if the tube ruptures?

Unless the tube ruptures right were the capsule is, I imagine there would be something of a jolt, then the thing slowing down do to wind resistance.  Though, with sensors in place to detect changes in air pressure through the system, you could start slowing the capsule with the magnets before they hit the wall of air.

Just my guess, I was an English major, not an engineer.

Do != due

I point this out because you are an English major.


See! I'm helpful!


D'OH!!
 
2013-07-16 09:31:27 PM

NobleHam: Hollie Maea: This actually will be less prone to terrorism than air flight. Since the cars will be just single or double occupancy, there is a limit to how many people a terrorist could kill.  At most him self and a handful of cars behind.

And everyone else who doesn't get the news/can't slow down in time and hits the damaged area going thousands of miles per hour.


There's no "getting the news".  It would all be automated of course.  Within a millisecond of the blast you would be decelerating at 4G.  Won't be fun, but would save most the cars in the tube.
 
2013-07-16 09:31:36 PM
if we can get enough people going from LA to NY fast enough, eventually a general consensus will be reached agreeing that neither of those places is worth going to. the best technology is the technology that makes itself obsolete by design.
 
2013-07-16 09:31:47 PM
THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT


"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal!  Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."
 
2013-07-16 09:31:49 PM

Great Janitor: From New York to L.A. in under an hour, great.  Figure in all the stops in between and suddenly that 45 minute trip becomes 8 hours.  Unless you put hubs in all major cities, or at least one major city per state, then one station in each major city, and then you could network the entire U.S. in such a way that you could get across the nation in three hours.  Get a job near a station, put a park n ride next to each station, you could then live in Washington State, and have a daily commute to New York City.




Depends on how its organized.
This threads a practical repeat of the tube train they wanted to fund last year. Individual cars of about six people plus luggage, able to switch and stop anywhere. I could see that working pretty conveniently for those who live or work near the stations.

If they can get past the obvious problem of how to fund a series of tubes then the remaining issue is the same one all ground transportation has to deal with: getting the land rights for paths into major cities where land can be absurdly expensive and roads/rails already dominate.

/Cities aren't built around a third option. Which is where aircraft came in before.
/any city could have a small one by clearing a few acres.
/maybe Elon has a trick up his sleeve. Gotta wait and see I guess.
 
2013-07-16 09:33:22 PM
Elon Musk: a bold new scent for a brave new world.
\me thinks he's seen Batman Forever...
\\Bruce Wayne drops into a pneumatic coffin and shoots his way back to the bat cave...
\\\would have used a pic, but couldn't find it....
\\\\some day you can't find a picture of Bruce Wayne droping in a pneumatic coffin...
\\
 
2013-07-16 09:33:34 PM

stuhayes2010: And maintaining a vacuum of that size will only required a1/3 of the nation's electricity.


Wanna know how I know you didn't RTFA
 
2013-07-16 09:34:02 PM
Actually, the technology for something like this is already in use all over the country.  The only difference being the mag-lift part for reduced friction.

Very high pressure natural gas pipelines run up and down both costs, across the rockies, and pretty much everywhere else and they have what is called pigging capabilities.  A pig launcher would be a perfect model for getting these transportation units into and out of a pipe without affecting pressures.

If there was an problem I could think of, it would be what happens when these things get stuck and you are 100 miles from the nearest launch/receiving point and running out of oxygen?
 
2013-07-16 09:35:46 PM

justtray: FIRST EVER GREENLIGHT HELL YES


i291.photobucket.com

Welcome!
 
2013-07-16 09:36:14 PM
say he believes ET3 is on the right track, but is missing some key components

Like how to keep organs from rupturing from decelerating after a cross country trip of two hours. Piling up junk at the end of the tube only worked in the Running Man.
 
2013-07-16 09:36:43 PM

way south: maybe Elon has a trick up his sleeve. Gotta wait and see I guess.


He's one of the smartest most visionary people on Earth, and he has been working on this project for almost three years.  In addition to the technology, he's worked out the energy consumption and economics.  You can be pretty certain that this idea is a bit too robust to be broken up by a few Farkers who just heard about it.
 
2013-07-16 09:40:40 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Like how to keep organs from rupturing from decelerating after a cross country trip of two hours.


Not really as much of a problem as you think.  This weekend I saw a car that can accelerate at 1.5G.  Even unhealthy people can handle that for long periods of time.  At that rate of acceleration, it takes only 4 minutes to get up to 8000 mph (or to get back down to zero from 8000 mph).  Piece of cake.
 
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