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2013-07-16 08:41:48 PM
8 votes:
Ah, yes.  The land of the free, where we jail a higher percentage of our population than anybody else.

Amazing how the issue of taxpayer cost-- direct and indirect-- almost never comes up when politicians talk about locking people more up.
2013-07-16 08:14:05 PM
7 votes:
I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?
2013-07-16 09:49:44 PM
6 votes:

Riche: Ah, yes.  The land of the free, where we jail a higher percentage of our population than anybody else.

Amazing how the issue of taxpayer cost-- direct and indirect-- almost never comes up when politicians talk about locking people more up.


Increasingly, being poor is a crime in America. If you're working poor, you're penalized for a wide variety of things that are ignored when done by rich people - your job is to continue paying the rich folks, and you're allowed to go about it if you don't bother them unduly. If you're destitute, just the very state of being destitute means that just about anything you do to stay alive is considered a crime - after all, you're not paying the rich anything at that point, and your very existence bothers them.

That's why this commissioner is pushing, once again, to criminalize destitution. Some of his rich friends are bothered by the destitute, and so they've pushed their mouthpiece to the fore.
2013-07-16 09:25:31 PM
6 votes:
Can't they just follow homeless people around, harass them, and then pick a fight? If the homeless people start winning the fight, they can shoot em. Isn't that how it works in Florida?
2013-07-17 12:37:08 AM
4 votes:
You know, we could just give them housing. Not shelters with strict rules where they wake everyone up at 6 am, not prison cells, just regular rooms. Like the kind people with money live in.

Where they've done that, the homeless have fewer health problems (the reduction in medical costs alone makes it worth it), don't get in trouble with the law for stupid reasons, and as a bonus to everyone they aren't shiatting in parks and alleys.

I know I sound radical. To be REALLY radical, I suggest we extend a right to housing to everyone in the US.
2013-07-16 09:30:37 PM
4 votes:

Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.


1/10...I was going to say nice try, but I won't even give you that.
2013-07-16 10:11:19 PM
3 votes:
Why don't republicans just cut to the chase?

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2013-07-16 10:06:44 PM
3 votes:
So we jail them and then slap then with a bill for jail and then jail them again because they can't pay the bill? This sounds vaugely familiar.....................
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2013-07-16 09:50:42 PM
3 votes:
Don't they have a lot of for-profit jails down there?
2013-07-16 09:27:41 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.
2013-07-16 09:23:02 PM
3 votes:
If these poor people didn't want to go to jail, they should have chosen not to be born with debilitating mental illnesses.
2013-07-16 09:22:04 PM
3 votes:
You messed up the headline. Should be "Miami finalizes solution to eliminate homelessness "
2013-07-16 09:20:45 PM
3 votes:
Once again... B5 WAS NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL

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2013-07-16 09:19:14 PM
3 votes:
A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.
2013-07-16 09:08:43 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Of course he does.  After all if those people would just live and walk beside lord like he does they wouldn't be homeless.
2013-07-17 01:22:24 AM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: bunner: Godwin made a pithy remark.  Not a law.  If we actually go smiling and pissing our pants on command into the Fourth Reich because noticing would be unfashionable, we f*cking well deserve such.

"They want to modify the definition of  "life-sustaining activities"  to exclude starting fires to cook meals in public areas, blocking sidewalks, littering, relieving themselves in public and lewd conduct.
The city also wants to give police authority to arrest people who refuse to go to a shelter on three occasions within a 180 day period and to confiscate their belongings. The city also asked the judge to exclude sexual predators from the provisions of the Pottinger settlement."

They want to make it illegal for homeless people to not obey the laws the rest of us have to regarding starting fires in public, littering, shiatting in public and jacking off on the streetcorner. Yep, just like the Nazis.


I think the hardest one to deal with when homeless is likely the rule against pissing/pooping. Not many public spaces have 24hr free bathrooms, and if you wake up in the middle of the night and need to drop a deuce, it's happening no matter what the city code might say.

If a cop really wants to bring a homeless dude in, all they need to do is watch and wait. Eventually everyone takes a crap.
2013-07-16 11:45:19 PM
2 votes:
"As though life weren't already difficult enough for people who can't afford regular housing, they could soon find themselves thrown in jail and their possessions confiscated if they're caught engaging in certain everyday activities in public. "

Didn't the US Supreme Court recently rule that a hobo's stuff is a hobo's stuff, and it cannot be confiscated unless it's contraband?
2013-07-16 10:24:10 PM
2 votes:

bdub77: Proverbs 18:9 ESV / 15 helpful votes
Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

Ecclesiastes 10:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

Proverbs 21:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Tons. The Bible is full of contradictory crap.


Those quotes themselves do nothing to contradict the idea that you should help the poor.
Modern Christians downfall is that they automatically assume the poor are idle. That is hardly ever actually true.
2013-07-16 10:23:32 PM
2 votes:
What a tool. Strange how the Homeless appeared right when Ronnie engineered the closing of mental health institutions and the most needy of people were put out on the street for local "care".

All and any homeless are a tribute to this former FBI informant and his lack of any accountability.

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2013-07-16 10:20:50 PM
2 votes:
A cursory search revealed that Marc Sarnoff is partners in a company ran by James Levin called JBL Construction, that specializes in low income housing.

It also revealed that he is quite corrupt, and a dick.

Is Marc D. Sarnoff Corrupt Or The Most Corrupt Miami Politician?
2013-07-16 09:42:44 PM
2 votes:

halB: A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.




You're right. Revitalizing the downtown area into a snobbish shopping center filled with bistros and boutique shops outweighs the civil rights of American citizens. Miami is a shiathole in spite of the homeless, not because of the homeless
2013-07-16 09:37:24 PM
2 votes:
Most of the chronically homeless are severely mentally ill and won't go to shelters. I know, I worked at a shelter for several years.  Unfortunately, sometimes it takes arrest to protect some of these folks.

We need more facilities for the severely mentally ill and then we need a way to keep them in these facilities even if they don't want to be there.
2013-07-16 09:34:46 PM
2 votes:
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

/oblig
2013-07-16 09:32:14 PM
2 votes:
The Right Wing has only two answers to any problem:

1. Violence/more guns
2. Make it illegal so we can put them in jail
2013-07-16 09:31:26 PM
2 votes:

halB: One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.


Yup, jail will fix that. Everyone that goes to the pokey comes out all shiny and new, ready to be productive members of society. That's why recidivism is 0% these days, and our jails and prisons are near-empty.
2013-07-16 09:30:42 PM
2 votes:
To be fair, they elected this man to be their governor:

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So why is anyone surprised?
2013-07-16 09:26:49 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Either Christians have to admit Jesus was wrong when he advocated helping the less fortunate, or they have to admit he was right and they just don't want to.

FTFA: Sarnoff argues that homeless people in the downtown business district are a "chronic problem." Indeed, as the Miami Herald points out, "Most local shelters are at capacity, meaning police can do little to punish the homeless who urinate in the street or light cooking fires in public parks." Instead of vying for more funding to support the hundreds of homeless people who reside in Miami, Sarnoff's solution is to jail them for living on the streets.

Yes, obviously these folks need punishment. Maybe a day or three in county will teach them to piss/shiat in their pants and eat raw food. That'll show them.

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2013-07-16 09:17:29 PM
2 votes:
Yay.  A skip and a jump from debtor's prisons.  Hurray America!

You know what would fix this?  Tax cuts for the wealthy.
2013-07-16 09:17:02 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


They always do.
2013-07-16 09:16:11 PM
2 votes:
Sounds like a Fine ol' solution...

/ I bet they will nazi that coming...
2013-07-16 08:46:39 PM
2 votes:
the number of people living on the streets has dropped from approx. 6000 to 351

They went from an approximate number of homeless people to an oddly specific number. That's telling you they only need to arrest the 351 known homeless people who refuse to go to the shelter.
2013-07-17 01:58:45 AM
1 votes:

Trayal: So let me get this straight...

Spending money to help homeless people become productive, tax-paying members of society, is bad.
Spending even more money to send these people through the criminal justice system, then pay for their complete care for however long their incarceration lasts, is good.

Am I understanding this correctly?

/sigh



The visible homeless (e.g. urban campers) are probably the hardest to treat using roving outreach efforts simply because their issues are far more severe and their desire to utilize social services is much lower & less consistent than other homeless people.  Typically avoiding shelters so they can continue using drugs and drinking alcohol, not to mention staying off their psychological medication.  Frankly driving by and giving them food, some cash, some medication, or some counseling just perpetuates the problem since it's not sustained (can't be since they don't maintain fixed locations) and it leaves them in the same environment that feeds into their problems.  For this type of homeless custodial confinement combined (like minimum security white collar prison) with treatment and counseling is really the best option to tackle this.  Feeding or paying panhandlers isn't helping at all.
2013-07-17 01:06:04 AM
1 votes:
Just give the homeless some Marlins tickets, the place was paid for by the taxpayers if I am correct.  I am sure they have plenty of food left over as well.
2013-07-17 01:00:14 AM
1 votes:

Trayal: So let me get this straight...

Spending money to help homeless people become productive, tax-paying members of society, is bad.
Spending even more money to send these people through the criminal justice system, then pay for their complete care for however long their incarceration lasts, is good.

Am I understanding this correctly?

/sigh


Well, in fairness, it's who gets the money. If folks are incarcerated, then that means the money goes to cops, to lawyers, to prison guards, and the prisons, often run for profit. If folks simply become taxpayers, they might actually want to spend that money on something that isn't in the interests of those who are paying for this sort of legislation to get in the pipe.

The prison lobby at this point is about creating more need for their services, not less. If it means MOAR money on state and Federal budgets so be it, because the money is coming from taxpayers, and the folks who are advocating these sorts of measures look upon the taxpayers as a vast sea to grift, and to do it entirely legally...
2013-07-17 12:53:59 AM
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: adamatari: You know, we could just give them housing. Not shelters with strict rules where they wake everyone up at 6 am, not prison cells, just regular rooms. Like the kind people with money live in.

Where they've done that, the homeless have fewer health problems (the reduction in medical costs alone makes it worth it), don't get in trouble with the law for stupid reasons, and as a bonus to everyone they aren't shiatting in parks and alleys.

I know I sound radical. To be REALLY radical, I suggest we extend a right to housing to everyone in the US.

It's sensible, expands opportunity in all respects, would be less expensive than the ongoing war on the homeless, but it's not punitive and evil. Still, you have my sword.


Everyone already HAS a right to housing. You have the right to whatever housing you can afford. What you really mean is: Let's make a house available to everyone in the US. As in: give everyone who hasn't already got a house whatever domicile is readily available. And it might not be a bad idea--if only so much else didn't go along with mere possession of four walls and a roof. Water, power, sewage, the neighbors...it's not merely as simple as "put the homeless in homes."
2013-07-17 12:39:56 AM
1 votes:

adamatari: You know, we could just give them housing. Not shelters with strict rules where they wake everyone up at 6 am, not prison cells, just regular rooms. Like the kind people with money live in.

Where they've done that, the homeless have fewer health problems (the reduction in medical costs alone makes it worth it), don't get in trouble with the law for stupid reasons, and as a bonus to everyone they aren't shiatting in parks and alleys.

I know I sound radical. To be REALLY radical, I suggest we extend a right to housing to everyone in the US.


It's sensible, expands opportunity in all respects, would be less expensive than the ongoing war on the homeless, but it's not punitive and evil. Still, you have my sword.
2013-07-17 12:17:16 AM
1 votes:

spaten: They are just following California...

http://www.cityprojectca.org/ourwork/beachaccess.html

/The liberal NIMBYS


Uh... "but California" is never an excuse for anything ever.  CA has some of the worst laws in the US hands down, even people in CA will tell you that.
2013-07-17 12:10:05 AM
1 votes:
Leave it to my home state of Arizona to make this a crime way before Florida.  Phoenix specifically uses a law against "urban camping" to clean the homeless off the streets:

"Urban Camping": You may not camp in any park, preserve, building, parking lot or other land that belongs tot he City of Phoenix, unless you have a permit from the city Department of Parks and Recreation. The following activities can be considered "camping":
• Sleeping
• Making preparations to sleep or laying down bedding
• Storing belongings
• Pitching a tent or parking a vehicle to sleep in
• Making a fire
• Cooking
• Digging or breaking ground.

Sit/Lie Law:You may not sit, lie or sleep on a public street,sidewalk or alley, except because of a physical emergency or to receive medical attention.

So if I read that right you can be arrested for sitting down on a park bench.  Nice....
2013-07-17 12:05:43 AM
1 votes:
They caught the last poor man
On a poor man's vacation
They cuffed him and confiscated his stuff
They dragged his black ass down to the station
And said, ok, the streets are safe now
All your pretty white children can come out and see spot run
And they came out of their houses
And they looked around
But they didn't see no one

My country 'tis of thee
To take swings at each other on the talkshow tv
Why don't you just go ahead and turn off the sun
'cause we'll never live long enough
To undo everything they've done to you
Undo everything they've done to you
2013-07-16 11:51:29 PM
1 votes:

bostonowns: i can tell you that downtown miami is severely severely underdeveloped and there are a lot of developers looking at downtown as the next IT spot as the surrounding little neighborhoods are booming with new businesses, housing, parks, museums etc. downtown is desolate craphole with hundreds of zombie bums walking around smelling like the year 1300.


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2013-07-16 11:43:17 PM
1 votes:

Atomic Spunk: grimlock1972: hey geniuses its gonna cost you more to jail them then to get them in a homeless shelter.

True, but it's not always that simple. Not sure about Miami, but in Honolulu, we have excess unused bed space in many shelters for 2 main reasons:

1. Many of our homeless are mentally ill and are leery of going to shelters.
2. Shelters don't allow drug and alcohol use, and have rules about appropriate behavior, so many of the homeless would rather continue to live on the street than follow the rules.

The homeless can't be forced into the shelters so they live in small gatherings in public places.


I agree its not often that simple but in general its a waste of money to jail them.
2013-07-16 11:36:52 PM
1 votes:
The Supreme Court says homeless people can own property. My guess is that they are even more likely let them eat in public, especially since the "homed" are allowed to eat in public. And a whole lot of seniors doze in the sun, so I can't see the convicted-of-sleeping thing is going to work, either.
2013-07-16 11:35:37 PM
1 votes:

Victoly: Capo Del Bandito: Can't we just eat the homeless?

That could be considered 'green' right?

Soylently!


Niiiiice.
2013-07-16 11:25:33 PM
1 votes:
Yes, because what Miami needs is MOAR folks in jail, because that will just fix the city's budget problems in a trice, right?

Have they just considered bussing the homeless to someplace outside of Dade County. Maybe just over the line, so that someone else has to take care of them? That's how Northampton takes care of a lot of their homeless problems, by dumping them on Holyoke. Fixes up the budget problems, and the buskers who do have homes like the lack of competition...
2013-07-16 11:20:12 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: GardenWeasel: Once again... B5 WAS NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL

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Here you go...

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I'm fond of the Snow Crash one, but that's pretty good too.
2013-07-16 11:19:23 PM
1 votes:

GardenWeasel: Once again... B5 WAS NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL

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Here you go...

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2013-07-16 11:12:01 PM
1 votes:
Make it illegal to be homeless, fine, but provide them all with the option of free shelter and food.  I don't think anyone has a right to misuse public property by living on the street, but if they have no choice it is only right to help them out.
2013-07-16 10:59:11 PM
1 votes:

Big_Doofus: Yeah, those charming homeless. They're super awesome!


I have a number of hard-working homeless friends and comrades. Being smart and hard-working is not, by any means, a guaranteed path off the street. If you find yourself homeless, it's hard as balls to get back into steady housing and employment, even here in - ha! - "Freeatle", and even if you have a strong group of people around you willing and able to help. But, hey, judge away.
2013-07-16 10:57:40 PM
1 votes:
Could be a good source of protein...

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2013-07-16 10:55:27 PM
1 votes:

Great_Milenko: Why don't republicans just cut to the chase?

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www.shreddingsystems.co.uk

Much easier.
2013-07-16 10:49:59 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The most visible, irritating ones are. That's the problem.


Christians? Or the poor?

For Christians, I agree.

For the poor, that image is a Reagenesque fantasy.
2013-07-16 10:48:53 PM
1 votes:

Capo Del Bandito: phalamir: Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.

And Christians have been proven so completely and utterly incapable of providing enough charity, that the rest of us have had to pick up the slack to promote the general welfare - you know, like the Constitution mentions is one of its purposes in the preamble. We'll let the Christians have another go once they can prove they can accomplish any other tasks except wanking themselves unconscious extolling their ubermenschitude and simultaneously demanding they not have to pay taxes while they engage in their auto-erotic sophism.

That's a pretty broad brush yer paintin' with


Oh, no.  The Victorian Era painted with the brush - I'm just pointing out the smear
2013-07-16 10:47:17 PM
1 votes:

1000 Ways to Dye: Before anybody calls this a war on poor people, I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.


"The law, in its majestic equality,forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

-- Anatole France

I work in Harvard Square, and I'd have to say the panhandlers are as much a part of the ambiance as the buskers and street performers. They're a tourist attraction. Having been given lemons, Miami should try making lemonade instead of confirming to everyone what horrible dicks Floridians are. I once asked one of the locals why he didn't head down south during the winter (he was shivering on a street corner) and he said there are cops hanging out near the bus stations to grab new arrivals and put them on another bus heading out of state. The homeless are subjected to endless indignities, even in the People's Republic of Cambridge, but one of them once told me "Don't tell anyone but if you panhandle in Harvard Square, you'll never go hungry," and indeed there are troops of genuine Christians patrolling the streets with carts full of food and drink for the homeless.One of the best stories I heard was about "the Rabbi," a Chasidic Jew who waited until the target of his charity were looking the other way, then ran up, stuffed a twenty dollar bill in his cup and ran off before he could be thanked. A legend on the streets of Cambridge.
2013-07-16 10:34:26 PM
1 votes:

Capo Del Bandito: Can't we just eat the homeless?

That could be considered 'green' right?


Soylently!
2013-07-16 10:25:38 PM
1 votes:
Godwin made a pithy remark.  Not a law.  If we actually go smiling and pissing our pants on command into the Fourth Reich because noticing would be unfashionable, we f*cking well deserve such.
2013-07-16 10:24:37 PM
1 votes:

bunner: There have always been the poor, a shame upon their nation's governance and delusions of compassion.   This is, however, th forst time in history that it is going to be made de facto illegal.  So, dismantle several market sectors and pocket hundreds of billions with nothing more than gymnastic math and pieces of paper, a captain of industry.  Eat a sandwich at a bus shelter, off to the gay S&M dungeon.   Anybody know if Pawn Stars or WWE is any good tonight?


Oh, not even close. Vagrancy laws are centuries old; and debtor's prisons and being sold into slavery to pay for debt are older than that. As long as there's been stratified society, it's been more or less illegal to have less than the top tier of society. It's only surprising to see it being done so blatantly in a nation that's got a big statue in it's front porch inscribed "give me your huddled masses..." but there you go. But being poor has always been a crime.
2013-07-16 10:20:28 PM
1 votes:
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2013-07-16 10:09:36 PM
1 votes:

grimlock1972: hey geniuses its gonna cost you more to jail them then to get them in a homeless shelter.


True, but it's not always that simple. Not sure about Miami, but in Honolulu, we have excess unused bed space in many shelters for 2 main reasons:

1. Many of our homeless are mentally ill and are leery of going to shelters.
2. Shelters don't allow drug and alcohol use, and have rules about appropriate behavior, so many of the homeless would rather continue to live on the street than follow the rules.

The homeless can't be forced into the shelters so they live in small gatherings in public places.
2013-07-16 10:05:09 PM
1 votes:

Big_Doofus: Most of the chronically homeless are severely mentally ill and won't go to shelters. I know, I worked at a shelter for several years.  Unfortunately, sometimes it takes arrest to protect some of these folks.

We need more facilities for the severely mentally ill and then we need a way to keep them in these facilities even if they don't want to be there.


But that would violate their civil rights. It's much better for them to live on the streets in filth and starve while we try to convince them they really want treatment instead. Besides, the only alternative to allowing the mentally ill to run around loose on the streets is if they are all forcibly locked into squalid insane asylums and given electroshock treatment; why do you hate the mentally ill?
2013-07-16 10:02:53 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Full implementation of Obama death panels, amirite?


You win the thread.

Libtards have a profound sympathy for the underclasses-----until they wind up in their own back yards.
2013-07-16 10:02:11 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

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You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?

aparently you are.... note the part that i hilighted... you did RTFA right?


There were some Old Testament passages relating to taking people as slaves when they couldn't pay their debts.  I'm sure you could draw a parallel between that and imprisoning the homeless in the sure-to-be-created for-profit prisons.
2013-07-16 09:55:37 PM
1 votes:

Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.


And Christians have been proven so completely and utterly incapable of providing enough charity, that the rest of us have had to pick up the slack to promote the general welfare - you know, like the Constitution mentions is one of its purposes in the preamble. We'll let the Christians have another go once they can prove they can accomplish any other tasks except wanking themselves unconscious extolling their ubermenschitude and simultaneously demanding they not have to pay taxes while they engage in their auto-erotic sophism.
2013-07-16 09:54:59 PM
1 votes:

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

Either Christians have to admit Jesus was wrong when he advocated helping the less fortunate, or they have to admit he was right and they just don't want to.

FTFA: Sarnoff argues that homeless people in the downtown business district are a "chronic problem." Indeed, as the Miami Herald points out, "Most local shelters are at capacity, meaning police can do little to punish the homeless who urinate in the street or light cooking fires in public parks." Instead of vying for more funding to support the hundreds of homeless people who reside in Miami, Sarnoff's solution is to jail them for living on the streets.

Yes, obviously these folks need punishment. Maybe a day or three in county will teach them to piss/shiat in their pants and eat raw food. That'll show them.

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Pissing in public and setting open fires in public parks should be punished.  His only error was referring to "the homeless" instead of  "anyone."  You get it now?  A drunken homeowner who pisses in a public park or sets a fire where it's not supposed to be gets arrested.  A homeless drunk doing likewise gets treated like a city councilman; nothing happens to him.  Fark that.
2013-07-16 09:52:48 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

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You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?


Hey, this guy Sarnoff plays by the book. We're not sure which one, but, yeah, he probably requires (a cherry-picked) chapter and verse from it.
2013-07-16 09:51:39 PM
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Homeless: i.imgur.com
Florida: i.imgur.com
2013-07-16 09:50:40 PM
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halB: A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.


one little fender bender, one mis-step on a staircase and you too may become one of the "consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head"
2013-07-16 09:49:08 PM
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*glances at tag*


*facepalm*

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2013-07-16 09:48:05 PM
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lack of warmth: Here is an idea, if you have the room and food to spare in the jail then go ahead and let the homeless have a hot and a cot.  However, lets not bother with the booking and paperwork.

/one night one meal, see you later Otis


For someone named 'lack of warmth' you seem awfully idealistic and such for taking care of people not contributing to society.
2013-07-16 09:35:10 PM
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Have Zimmerman shoot them all?
2013-07-16 09:33:52 PM
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Oddly enough, I have no problem with laws against pooping on the sidewalk and starting fires in public parks.
2013-07-16 09:33:07 PM
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ArcadianRefugee: So they are wanting to provide the homeless with 3 meals a day, shower and bathroom facilities, clean clothes, and a nice dry place to sleep? Awesome!


And more than likely endless beatings and abuse from other inmates, not to mention the loss of freedom.
2013-07-16 09:32:25 PM
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On the one hand, trying to penalize people for sleeping or cooking food is bullcrap.

On the other hand, I can understand how the police might get tired of not being able to arrest the same homeless dude who keeps taking a crap in the middle of the alley behind their favorite late-night eats.
2013-07-16 09:31:22 PM
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In the 15 years since Pottinger, the number of people living on the streets has dropped from approximately 6,000 to 351, largely due to more shelters and support.

Miami's headcount of homeless is an exact number, and not an approximated estimate.  Clearly, that program is completely incapable of handling the homeless problem.
2013-07-16 09:30:07 PM
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I'm surprised he didn't suggest forced work camps or chain gangs for them
2013-07-16 09:27:12 PM
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Yeah, this worked so well in victorian England.

It's the "Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses?" aproach to social services. It keeps the poor properly downtrotten and humiliated.
No wonder the GOP likes, Becaurse it will never happen to them!  ///sarkasm
2013-07-16 09:26:34 PM
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iheartscotch: Sounds like a Fine ol' solution...

/ I bet they will nazi that coming...


It's simply a modest proposal.
2013-07-16 09:23:11 PM
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Popcorn Johnny: [i41.tinypic.com image 425x239]


out-farkin-standing.
2013-07-16 09:19:09 PM
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Before anybody calls this a war on poor people, I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.
2013-07-16 09:18:09 PM
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i41.tinypic.com
2013-07-16 08:56:25 PM
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Any more of this sort of crap and I'll unveil my final solution to the conservative question.

/mandatory gay marriage
2013-07-16 08:48:34 PM
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The T4 program is slowly entering the justice system again.
2013-07-16 08:34:55 PM
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Gee when I read the Headline I was wondering if they were going to give the  homeless hoodies and Zimmerman ammo, but then I read the  article
 
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