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2013-07-16 10:05:09 PM  

Big_Doofus: Most of the chronically homeless are severely mentally ill and won't go to shelters. I know, I worked at a shelter for several years.  Unfortunately, sometimes it takes arrest to protect some of these folks.

We need more facilities for the severely mentally ill and then we need a way to keep them in these facilities even if they don't want to be there.


But that would violate their civil rights. It's much better for them to live on the streets in filth and starve while we try to convince them they really want treatment instead. Besides, the only alternative to allowing the mentally ill to run around loose on the streets is if they are all forcibly locked into squalid insane asylums and given electroshock treatment; why do you hate the mentally ill?
 
2013-07-16 10:05:16 PM  
Army of Zimmerman clones?
 
2013-07-16 10:06:44 PM  
So we jail them and then slap then with a bill for jail and then jail them again because they can't pay the bill? This sounds vaugely familiar.....................
itthing.com
 
2013-07-16 10:09:06 PM  
Why don't the cops just give them to the part of town where the rich people won't see them, just like they do in any other big city.

Snapper Carr:Paul gets all kinds of boot-strappy

It's funny how when a Christian wants to be an ass they always end up quoting one of Paul's letters. Even the smity parts of the Old Testament can't keep up with him.
 
2013-07-16 10:09:36 PM  

grimlock1972: hey geniuses its gonna cost you more to jail them then to get them in a homeless shelter.


True, but it's not always that simple. Not sure about Miami, but in Honolulu, we have excess unused bed space in many shelters for 2 main reasons:

1. Many of our homeless are mentally ill and are leery of going to shelters.
2. Shelters don't allow drug and alcohol use, and have rules about appropriate behavior, so many of the homeless would rather continue to live on the street than follow the rules.

The homeless can't be forced into the shelters so they live in small gatherings in public places.
 
2013-07-16 10:10:49 PM  
Proverbs 18:9 ESV / 15 helpful votes
Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

Ecclesiastes 10:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

Proverbs 21:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Tons. The Bible is full of contradictory crap.
 
2013-07-16 10:11:19 PM  
Why don't republicans just cut to the chase?

10think.com
 
2013-07-16 10:12:36 PM  
There have always been the poor, a shame upon their nation's governance and delusions of compassion.  This is, however, th forst time in history that it is going to be made de facto illegal.  So, dismantle several market sectors and pocket hundreds of billions with nothing more than gymnastic math and pieces of paper, a captain of industry.  Eat a sandwich at a bus shelter, off to the gay S&M dungeon.   Anybody know if Pawn Stars or WWE is any good tonight?
 
2013-07-16 10:13:53 PM  

Great_Milenko: Why don't republicans just cut to the chase?

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They are.
 
2013-07-16 10:14:38 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

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You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?

aparently you are.... note the part that i hilighted... you did RTFA right?

Apparently misread then, i assumed you meant sanctioning being homeless or poor, not sanctioning the elimination of such - I do know what the article is about. But I assure you there are passages one could interpret as being against anyone who does not produce within the society.

again - citation please.... assumptions mean nothing.


"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."  2 Thessalonians 3:10

"A day without work is a day without food." Rule of many Zen monasteries.

Both assume a person is able to work.
 
2013-07-16 10:17:39 PM  

bdub77: Proverbs 18:9 ESV / 15 helpful votes
Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

Ecclesiastes 10:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

Proverbs 21:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Tons. The Bible is full of contradictory crap.


If I didn't know when Fark was founded, I'd swear we wrote  the Bible.
 
2013-07-16 10:18:30 PM  
You know who else liked to make final plans for eliminating people?
 
2013-07-16 10:19:25 PM  

Oldiron_79: You know who else liked to make final plans for eliminating people?


Donald Trump?
 
2013-07-16 10:20:10 PM  
"so police can arrest anyone who blocks a sidewalk, cooks a meal in a public area using a fire, litters, urinates or defecates in public, or engages in lewd conduct, rather than offering those folks a bed to sleep. "

Not sure if serious, Think Progress.
 
2013-07-16 10:20:28 PM  
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2013-07-16 10:20:50 PM  
A cursory search revealed that Marc Sarnoff is partners in a company ran by James Levin called JBL Construction, that specializes in low income housing.

It also revealed that he is quite corrupt, and a dick.

Is Marc D. Sarnoff Corrupt Or The Most Corrupt Miami Politician?
 
2013-07-16 10:20:56 PM  

sycraft: You messed up the headline. Should be "Miami finalizes solution to eliminate homelessness "


Sometimes a Godwin isn't a Godwin but simply an actual comparison.
Happening a lot lately.
 
2013-07-16 10:21:52 PM  

Granny_Panties: Can't they just follow homeless people around, harass them, and then pick a fight? If the homeless people start winning the fight, they can shoot em. Isn't that how it works in Florida?


The jury concluded that story was bullshiat. I conclude that YOU are bullshiat.
 
2013-07-16 10:22:44 PM  

Oldiron_79: You know who else liked to make final plans for eliminating people?


museumstudiesatmacquarie.org
 
2013-07-16 10:23:32 PM  
What a tool. Strange how the Homeless appeared right when Ronnie engineered the closing of mental health institutions and the most needy of people were put out on the street for local "care".

All and any homeless are a tribute to this former FBI informant and his lack of any accountability.

www.bostonglobe.com
 
2013-07-16 10:24:10 PM  

bdub77: Proverbs 18:9 ESV / 15 helpful votes
Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

Ecclesiastes 10:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

Proverbs 21:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Tons. The Bible is full of contradictory crap.


Those quotes themselves do nothing to contradict the idea that you should help the poor.
Modern Christians downfall is that they automatically assume the poor are idle. That is hardly ever actually true.
 
2013-07-16 10:24:37 PM  

bunner: There have always been the poor, a shame upon their nation's governance and delusions of compassion.   This is, however, th forst time in history that it is going to be made de facto illegal.  So, dismantle several market sectors and pocket hundreds of billions with nothing more than gymnastic math and pieces of paper, a captain of industry.  Eat a sandwich at a bus shelter, off to the gay S&M dungeon.   Anybody know if Pawn Stars or WWE is any good tonight?


Oh, not even close. Vagrancy laws are centuries old; and debtor's prisons and being sold into slavery to pay for debt are older than that. As long as there's been stratified society, it's been more or less illegal to have less than the top tier of society. It's only surprising to see it being done so blatantly in a nation that's got a big statue in it's front porch inscribed "give me your huddled masses..." but there you go. But being poor has always been a crime.
 
2013-07-16 10:24:48 PM  
Jails are so much cheaper than shelters or substance abuse treatment.
 
2013-07-16 10:25:36 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Army of Zimmerman clones?


global.fncstatic.com

Sees what you did there. Cannot describe what you did in English.
 
2013-07-16 10:25:38 PM  
Godwin made a pithy remark.  Not a law.  If we actually go smiling and pissing our pants on command into the Fourth Reich because noticing would be unfashionable, we f*cking well deserve such.
 
2013-07-16 10:26:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bunner: There have always been the poor, a shame upon their nation's governance and delusions of compassion.   This is, however, th forst time in history that it is going to be made de facto illegal.  So, dismantle several market sectors and pocket hundreds of billions with nothing more than gymnastic math and pieces of paper, a captain of industry.  Eat a sandwich at a bus shelter, off to the gay S&M dungeon.   Anybody know if Pawn Stars or WWE is any good tonight?

Oh, not even close. Vagrancy laws are centuries old; and debtor's prisons and being sold into slavery to pay for debt are older than that. As long as there's been stratified society, it's been more or less illegal to have less than the top tier of society. It's only surprising to see it being done so blatantly in a nation that's got a big statue in it's front porch inscribed "give me your huddled masses..." but there you go. But being poor has always been a crime.


it sounds a lot scurrier if yopu pretend it is unprecedented
 
2013-07-16 10:27:00 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Oh, not even close. Vagrancy laws are centuries old; and debtor's prisons and being sold into slavery to pay for debt are older than that.


I meant here.  See Great Depression.  Vagrancy, yeah.  Not abject poverty as such.
 
2013-07-16 10:27:16 PM  
Ship 'em to China, they've got entire cities that are completely empty.
 
2013-07-16 10:28:36 PM  

DubtodaIll: Ship 'em to China, they've got entire cities that are completely empty.


Bonus, they're hiring!
 
2013-07-16 10:31:42 PM  

bunner: Godwin made a pithy remark.  Not a law.  If we actually go smiling and pissing our pants on command into the Fourth Reich because noticing would be unfashionable, we f*cking well deserve such.


"They want to modify the definition of  "life-sustaining activities"  to exclude starting fires to cook meals in public areas, blocking sidewalks, littering, relieving themselves in public and lewd conduct.
The city also wants to give police authority to arrest people who refuse to go to a shelter on three occasions within a 180 day period and to confiscate their belongings. The city also asked the judge to exclude sexual predators from the provisions of the Pottinger settlement."

They want to make it illegal for homeless people to not obey the laws the rest of us have to regarding starting fires in public, littering, shiatting in public and jacking off on the streetcorner. Yep, just like the Nazis.
 
2013-07-16 10:32:16 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: bdub77: Proverbs 18:9 ESV / 15 helpful votes
Whoever is slack in his work is a brother to him who destroys.

Ecclesiastes 10:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Through sloth the roof sinks in, and through indolence the house leaks.

Proverbs 21:25 ESV / 7 helpful votes
The desire of the sluggard kills him, for his hands refuse to labor.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Tons. The Bible is full of contradictory crap.

Those quotes themselves do nothing to contradict the idea that you should help the poor.
Modern Christians downfall is that they automatically assume the poor are idle. That is hardly ever actually true.


It's not about contradicting anything, it's about the ability to make up any bullsh*t you want to suit your agenda and if you need a biblical verse or two to convince the crazy eyed crowd you can find a way to twist it to your point.
 
2013-07-16 10:33:21 PM  

bunner: Gyrfalcon: Oh, not even close. Vagrancy laws are centuries old; and debtor's prisons and being sold into slavery to pay for debt are older than that.

I meant here.  See Great Depression.  Vagrancy, yeah.  Not abject poverty as such.


here meaning where? She's talking about vagrancy laws in the US. All over the place. Did you know it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk in NYC? Wherever are the homeless people going to rid themselves of phlegm?! The humanity!
 
2013-07-16 10:34:26 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Can't we just eat the homeless?

That could be considered 'green' right?


Soylently!
 
2013-07-16 10:45:34 PM  
 

Sergeant Grumbles: Modern Christians downfall is that they automatically assume the poor are idle. That is hardly ever actually true.


The most visible, irritating ones are.  That's the problem.
 
2013-07-16 10:47:11 PM  
Oh noes!  I can't take a dump on the sidewalk!  You're violating my civil rights!
 
2013-07-16 10:47:17 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Before anybody calls this a war on poor people, I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.


"The law, in its majestic equality,forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

-- Anatole France

I work in Harvard Square, and I'd have to say the panhandlers are as much a part of the ambiance as the buskers and street performers. They're a tourist attraction. Having been given lemons, Miami should try making lemonade instead of confirming to everyone what horrible dicks Floridians are. I once asked one of the locals why he didn't head down south during the winter (he was shivering on a street corner) and he said there are cops hanging out near the bus stations to grab new arrivals and put them on another bus heading out of state. The homeless are subjected to endless indignities, even in the People's Republic of Cambridge, but one of them once told me "Don't tell anyone but if you panhandle in Harvard Square, you'll never go hungry," and indeed there are troops of genuine Christians patrolling the streets with carts full of food and drink for the homeless.One of the best stories I heard was about "the Rabbi," a Chasidic Jew who waited until the target of his charity were looking the other way, then ran up, stuffed a twenty dollar bill in his cup and ran off before he could be thanked. A legend on the streets of Cambridge.
 
2013-07-16 10:47:47 PM  

skullkrusher: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Army of Zimmerman clones?

[global.fncstatic.com image 640x360]

Sees what you did there. Cannot describe what you did in English.


Seriously though tell me that isn't Ving Rhames in a wig.
 
2013-07-16 10:48:53 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: phalamir: Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.

And Christians have been proven so completely and utterly incapable of providing enough charity, that the rest of us have had to pick up the slack to promote the general welfare - you know, like the Constitution mentions is one of its purposes in the preamble. We'll let the Christians have another go once they can prove they can accomplish any other tasks except wanking themselves unconscious extolling their ubermenschitude and simultaneously demanding they not have to pay taxes while they engage in their auto-erotic sophism.

That's a pretty broad brush yer paintin' with


Oh, no.  The Victorian Era painted with the brush - I'm just pointing out the smear
 
2013-07-16 10:49:59 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The most visible, irritating ones are. That's the problem.


Christians? Or the poor?

For Christians, I agree.

For the poor, that image is a Reagenesque fantasy.
 
2013-07-16 10:50:11 PM  

clambam: 1000 Ways to Dye: Before anybody calls this a war on poor people, I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.

"The law, in its majestic equality,forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

-- Anatole France

I work in Harvard Square, and I'd have to say the panhandlers are as much a part of the ambiance as the buskers and street performers. They're a tourist attraction. Having been given lemons, Miami should try making lemonade instead of confirming to everyone what horrible dicks Floridians are. I once asked one of the locals why he didn't head down south during the winter (he was shivering on a street corner) and he said there are cops hanging out near the bus stations to grab new arrivals and put them on another bus heading out of state. The homeless are subjected to endless indignities, even in the People's Republic of Cambridge, but one of them once told me "Don't tell anyone but if you panhandle in Harvard Square, you'll never go hungry," and indeed there are troops of genuine Christians patrolling the streets with carts full of food and drink for the homeless.One of the best stories I heard was about "the Rabbi," a Chasidic Jew who waited until the target of his charity were looking the other way, then ran up, stuffed a twenty dollar bill in his cup and ran off before he could be thanked. A legend on the streets of Cambridge.




Yeah, those charming homeless. They're super awesome!
 
2013-07-16 10:51:02 PM  

RanDomino: jaylectricity
They went from an approximate number of homeless people to an oddly specific number. That's telling you they only need to arrest the 351 known homeless people who refuse to go to the shelter.

What is going on that like three people who I have /favorited have made some incredibly right-wing statements in the last couple of days? Did everyone get together and decide to try trolling for a while?


If you have me highlighted, I'll have to assume you know I'm joking. I'm so right, I'm left.
 
2013-07-16 10:54:05 PM  

Jacob_Roberson: Homeless: [i.imgur.com image 512x525]
Florida: [i.imgur.com image 361x377]


Bravo.
 
2013-07-16 10:55:27 PM  

Great_Milenko: Why don't republicans just cut to the chase?

[10think.com image 472x339]


www.shreddingsystems.co.uk

Much easier.
 
2013-07-16 10:56:02 PM  

Big_Doofus: Most of the chronically homeless are severely mentally ill and won't go to shelters. I know, I worked at a shelter for several years.  Unfortunately, sometimes it takes arrest to protect some of these folks.

We need more facilities for the severely mentally ill and then we need a way to keep them in these facilities even if they don't want to be there.


we used to have state hostpitals like that. They got shut down for being inhumane.
 
2013-07-16 10:57:40 PM  
Could be a good source of protein...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-16 10:59:11 PM  

Big_Doofus: Yeah, those charming homeless. They're super awesome!


I have a number of hard-working homeless friends and comrades. Being smart and hard-working is not, by any means, a guaranteed path off the street. If you find yourself homeless, it's hard as balls to get back into steady housing and employment, even here in - ha! - "Freeatle", and even if you have a strong group of people around you willing and able to help. But, hey, judge away.
 
2013-07-16 11:03:42 PM  

Jacob_Roberson: Homeless: [i.imgur.com image 512x525]
Florida: [i.imgur.com image 361x377]


My favourite episodes of TNG!!!

/nerdout
 
2013-07-16 11:06:52 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

For Florida...
 
2013-07-16 11:06:54 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Big_Doofus: Yeah, those charming homeless. They're super awesome!

I have a number of hard-working homeless friends and comrades. Being smart and hard-working is not, by any means, a guaranteed path off the street. If you find yourself homeless, it's hard as balls to get back into steady housing and employment, even here in - ha! - "Freeatle", and even if you have a strong group of people around you willing and able to help. But, hey, judge away.


Can I judge you for using the word "comrades" without a hint of irony? OK, good. Thanks. I will.
 
2013-07-16 11:08:14 PM  
 
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