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(Think Progress)   Miami finalizes plan to eliminate homelessness   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 235
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2013-07-16 09:35:53 PM  

sycraft: You messed up the headline. Should be "Miami finalizes solution to eliminate homelessness "


I know.  I read it a few times because that was so obvious I thought I was missing it.
 
2013-07-16 09:36:30 PM  
Maybe if we can bring back public mental health we can put these narcissistic personality disorder sufferers away before they throw more people in jail.

Also, we could take care of the homeless people who have mental problems.

See, solve two problems at once.
 
2013-07-16 09:37:02 PM  
So, these are the republican camps?

The totally cool ones?

Not the evil ones they keep saying FEMA builds?

Or right, projection and all that
 
2013-07-16 09:37:09 PM  

Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.


He is giving them the hours and a cot with taxpayer money, that sure as shi at sounds like communism to me. Burn him!
 
2013-07-16 09:37:24 PM  
Most of the chronically homeless are severely mentally ill and won't go to shelters. I know, I worked at a shelter for several years.  Unfortunately, sometimes it takes arrest to protect some of these folks.

We need more facilities for the severely mentally ill and then we need a way to keep them in these facilities even if they don't want to be there.
 
2013-07-16 09:37:39 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


With a name like that, my wager is he's highly hebraic.
 
2013-07-16 09:37:49 PM  
*three hots got damnit!
 
2013-07-16 09:38:21 PM  

Big_Doofus: Oddly enough, I have no problem with laws against pooping on the sidewalk and starting fires in public parks.


big smile, Hitler!!!!1!!!!11!
 
2013-07-16 09:38:48 PM  
Headline:  Miami Considers Jailing Homeless People For Eating, Sleeping In Public.

Actual story: Despite the program's success, one Miami City Commissioner wants to back out of the deal and resume arresting homeless people for living on the streets.

Talk about your sensationalist headline.
 
2013-07-16 09:39:57 PM  

Z1P2: Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars.


Yes.
 
2013-07-16 09:40:01 PM  

Granny_Panties: Can't they just follow homeless people around, harass them, and then pick a fight? If the homeless people start winning the fight, they can shoot em. Isn't that how it works in Florida?


Spadassinicide

My new favorite word.
 
2013-07-16 09:40:51 PM  

heinekenftw: To be fair, they elected this man to be their governor:

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So why is anyone surprised?


I still say he looks more like Enzyte Bob:

i165.photobucket.com

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-07-16 09:41:15 PM  
Specifically, Sarnoff and his allies on the City Commission have hired a law firm to try to modify the agreement so police can arrest anyone who blocks a sidewalk, cooks a meal in a public area using a fire, litters, urinates or defecates in public, or engages in lewd conduct, rather than offering those folks a bed to sleep.

So basically, police can arrest anyone in Miami?
 
2013-07-16 09:42:44 PM  

halB: A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.




You're right. Revitalizing the downtown area into a snobbish shopping center filled with bistros and boutique shops outweighs the civil rights of American citizens. Miami is a shiathole in spite of the homeless, not because of the homeless
 
2013-07-16 09:43:38 PM  

miss diminutive: iheartscotch: Iron Felix: To zee camps.

But, I'm le tired!

Well have a nap....THEN ARREST ZE HOMELESS!


WTF, mate?
 
2013-07-16 09:44:08 PM  
i1.ytimg.com

EXECUTE THE HOMELESS!!!!
 
2013-07-16 09:44:53 PM  
Can't we just eat the homeless?

That could be considered 'green' right?
 
2013-07-16 09:45:52 PM  
Here is an idea, if you have the room and food to spare in the jail then go ahead and let the homeless have a hot and a cot.  However, lets not bother with the booking and paperwork.

/one night one meal, see you later Otis
 
2013-07-16 09:46:04 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

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You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?
 
2013-07-16 09:47:29 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Its irrelevant, they made it illegal to arrest homeless and now they just want to make it legal again since the shelters are too full.
 
2013-07-16 09:47:53 PM  
Send them to jail where they get three squares a day, a bed at night, and a beating only once a week.
 
2013-07-16 09:48:05 PM  

lack of warmth: Here is an idea, if you have the room and food to spare in the jail then go ahead and let the homeless have a hot and a cot.  However, lets not bother with the booking and paperwork.

/one night one meal, see you later Otis


For someone named 'lack of warmth' you seem awfully idealistic and such for taking care of people not contributing to society.
 
2013-07-16 09:48:25 PM  
Get a gun and stand, sleep and beg your ground homeless!
 
2013-07-16 09:49:03 PM  

Russ1642: Send them to jail where they get three squares a day, a bed at night, and a beating only once a week.


You forgot the rape.

Lots of rape.
 
2013-07-16 09:49:08 PM  
*glances at tag*


*facepalm*

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-16 09:49:44 PM  

Riche: Ah, yes.  The land of the free, where we jail a higher percentage of our population than anybody else.

Amazing how the issue of taxpayer cost-- direct and indirect-- almost never comes up when politicians talk about locking people more up.


Increasingly, being poor is a crime in America. If you're working poor, you're penalized for a wide variety of things that are ignored when done by rich people - your job is to continue paying the rich folks, and you're allowed to go about it if you don't bother them unduly. If you're destitute, just the very state of being destitute means that just about anything you do to stay alive is considered a crime - after all, you're not paying the rich anything at that point, and your very existence bothers them.

That's why this commissioner is pushing, once again, to criminalize destitution. Some of his rich friends are bothered by the destitute, and so they've pushed their mouthpiece to the fore.
 
2013-07-16 09:49:46 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Russ1642: Send them to jail where they get three squares a day, a bed at night, and a beating only once a week.

You forgot the rape.

Lots of rape.


Rape the Homeless is a great name for an album.
 
2013-07-16 09:50:40 PM  

halB: A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.


one little fender bender, one mis-step on a staircase and you too may become one of the "consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head"
 
2013-07-16 09:50:42 PM  
Don't they have a lot of for-profit jails down there?
 
2013-07-16 09:50:47 PM  
They are just following California...

http://www.cityprojectca.org/ourwork/beachaccess.html

/The liberal NIMBYS
 
2013-07-16 09:51:12 PM  

bdub77: Capo Del Bandito: Russ1642: Send them to jail where they get three squares a day, a bed at night, and a beating only once a week.

You forgot the rape.

Lots of rape.

Rape the Homeless is a great name for an album.


Punk-Horror?

The band members could dress up in raggity clothing and sing about dumpster dining and shanking panhandlers on your turf!
 
2013-07-16 09:51:39 PM  
Homeless: i.imgur.com
Florida: i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-16 09:52:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: miss diminutive: iheartscotch: Iron Felix: To zee camps.

But, I'm le tired!

Well have a nap....THEN ARREST ZE HOMELESS!

WTF, mate?


Farking kangaroos
 
2013-07-16 09:52:45 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Looks like Simple Weaver is back. Hiding under your rock since Obama betrayed you on everything you've been spouting off about for the last 10 or so years - OMFG BUSH - warrant-less wiretaps, unnecessary wars, banksters, GITMO, etc. Glad Prince Obama solved all those for us just like you told he would back in '08 there Simple Weave.
 
2013-07-16 09:52:48 PM  

bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?


Hey, this guy Sarnoff plays by the book. We're not sure which one, but, yeah, he probably requires (a cherry-picked) chapter and verse from it.
 
2013-07-16 09:53:47 PM  
I believe New Orleans tried a plan to get rid of its homeless years ago but they ran into some obstructionism...

i2.listal.com
 
2013-07-16 09:54:04 PM  

Createwolf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle_Causeway_sex_offender_colon y


It's a vicious cycle in Miami


The Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony (also called "Bookville" by former residents)


Bookville is a much better name...
 
2013-07-16 09:54:59 PM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

Either Christians have to admit Jesus was wrong when he advocated helping the less fortunate, or they have to admit he was right and they just don't want to.

FTFA: Sarnoff argues that homeless people in the downtown business district are a "chronic problem." Indeed, as the Miami Herald points out, "Most local shelters are at capacity, meaning police can do little to punish the homeless who urinate in the street or light cooking fires in public parks." Instead of vying for more funding to support the hundreds of homeless people who reside in Miami, Sarnoff's solution is to jail them for living on the streets.

Yes, obviously these folks need punishment. Maybe a day or three in county will teach them to piss/shiat in their pants and eat raw food. That'll show them.

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Pissing in public and setting open fires in public parks should be punished.  His only error was referring to "the homeless" instead of  "anyone."  You get it now?  A drunken homeowner who pisses in a public park or sets a fire where it's not supposed to be gets arrested.  A homeless drunk doing likewise gets treated like a city councilman; nothing happens to him.  Fark that.
 
2013-07-16 09:55:37 PM  

Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.


And Christians have been proven so completely and utterly incapable of providing enough charity, that the rest of us have had to pick up the slack to promote the general welfare - you know, like the Constitution mentions is one of its purposes in the preamble. We'll let the Christians have another go once they can prove they can accomplish any other tasks except wanking themselves unconscious extolling their ubermenschitude and simultaneously demanding they not have to pay taxes while they engage in their auto-erotic sophism.
 
2013-07-16 09:57:32 PM  

phalamir: Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.

And Christians have been proven so completely and utterly incapable of providing enough charity, that the rest of us have had to pick up the slack to promote the general welfare - you know, like the Constitution mentions is one of its purposes in the preamble. We'll let the Christians have another go once they can prove they can accomplish any other tasks except wanking themselves unconscious extolling their ubermenschitude and simultaneously demanding they not have to pay taxes while they engage in their auto-erotic sophism.


That's a pretty broad brush yer paintin' with
 
2013-07-16 09:58:48 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Russ1642: Send them to jail where they get three squares a day, a bed at night, and a beating only once a week.

You forgot the rape.

Lots of rape.


At county lockup? Nah, everyone where they would be going is in for minor shiat and not looking to get in trouble. They want to keep their head down and do their short time.
 
2013-07-16 09:59:56 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?

aparently you are.... note the part that i hilighted... you did RTFA right?


Apparently misread then, i assumed you meant sanctioning being homeless or poor, not sanctioning the elimination of such - I do know what the article is about. But I assure you there are passages one could interpret as being against anyone who does not produce within the society.
 
2013-07-16 10:00:09 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Createwolf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle_Causeway_sex_offender_colon y


It's a vicious cycle in Miami

The Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony (also called "Bookville" by former residents)


Bookville is a much better name...


Any place in Florida called "Bookville" has to be done so ironically.
 
2013-07-16 10:01:54 PM  
Miami privatized prisons/jails are looking to increase the head count?
 
2013-07-16 10:02:11 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: bdub77: HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]

You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?

aparently you are.... note the part that i hilighted... you did RTFA right?


There were some Old Testament passages relating to taking people as slaves when they couldn't pay their debts.  I'm sure you could draw a parallel between that and imprisoning the homeless in the sure-to-be-created for-profit prisons.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:20 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Snapper Carr: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]


Paul gets all kinds of boot-strappy

2 Thessalonians 3:6-12
"Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living."
 
2013-07-16 10:02:53 PM  

theknuckler_33: Full implementation of Obama death panels, amirite?


You win the thread.

Libtards have a profound sympathy for the underclasses-----until they wind up in their own back yards.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:53 PM  
hey geniuses its gonna cost you more to jail them then to get them in a homeless shelter.
 
2013-07-16 10:02:56 PM  
bdub77:
You need a Biblical citation for being charitable to the poor? Are you f*cking retarded?

No, he asked for the opposite.  He is referring to "this sort of thing".  "this sort of thing", to a reasonable person, would refer to the same topic conveyed in the post that both he and you quoted i.e.Sarnoff's actions.   You sure you aren't retarded?
 
2013-07-16 10:03:01 PM  
jaylectricity
They went from an approximate number of homeless people to an oddly specific number. That's telling you they only need to arrest the 351 known homeless people who refuse to go to the shelter.

What is going on that like three people who I have /favorited have made some incredibly right-wing statements in the last couple of days? Did everyone get together and decide to try trolling for a while?
 
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