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(Think Progress)   Miami finalizes plan to eliminate homelessness   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 235
    More: Florida, Miami, homeless, Miami Police, National Coalition Party, business districts  
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2013-07-16 08:14:05 PM  
I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?
 
2013-07-16 08:34:55 PM  
Gee when I read the Headline I was wondering if they were going to give the  homeless hoodies and Zimmerman ammo, but then I read the  article
 
2013-07-16 08:41:48 PM  
Ah, yes.  The land of the free, where we jail a higher percentage of our population than anybody else.

Amazing how the issue of taxpayer cost-- direct and indirect-- almost never comes up when politicians talk about locking people more up.
 
2013-07-16 08:46:39 PM  
the number of people living on the streets has dropped from approx. 6000 to 351

They went from an approximate number of homeless people to an oddly specific number. That's telling you they only need to arrest the 351 known homeless people who refuse to go to the shelter.
 
2013-07-16 08:48:34 PM  
The T4 program is slowly entering the justice system again.
 
2013-07-16 08:56:25 PM  
Any more of this sort of crap and I'll unveil my final solution to the conservative question.

/mandatory gay marriage
 
2013-07-16 09:08:43 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Of course he does.  After all if those people would just live and walk beside lord like he does they wouldn't be homeless.
 
2013-07-16 09:15:17 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Any more of this sort of crap and I'll unveil my final solution to the conservative question.

/mandatory gay marriage


can i marry Mr. Hat?

www.comedycentral.com
 
2013-07-16 09:16:11 PM  
Sounds like a Fine ol' solution...

/ I bet they will nazi that coming...
 
2013-07-16 09:17:02 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


They always do.
 
2013-07-16 09:17:29 PM  
Yay.  A skip and a jump from debtor's prisons.  Hurray America!

You know what would fix this?  Tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
2013-07-16 09:17:53 PM  
To zee camps.
 
2013-07-16 09:18:09 PM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-16 09:19:09 PM  
Before anybody calls this a war on poor people, I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.
 
2013-07-16 09:19:14 PM  
A few points:

Miami is a loose term for all of Miami-Dade County.

Miami is a very small city within Miami-Dade County with a small population, mainly businesses and crack heads. It's generally been an incredibly shiatty place to even go, but it has been experiencing a renessaince revival with the birth of new condos and an influx of people actually living down town.  One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.
 
2013-07-16 09:20:05 PM  
Yup this totally sounds fiscally responsible.
 
2013-07-16 09:20:06 PM  

Iron Felix: To zee camps.


But, I'm le tired!
 
2013-07-16 09:20:45 PM  
Once again... B5 WAS NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL

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2013-07-16 09:20:56 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


When you consider there are as many biblical passages sanctioning this sort of thing as there are condemning it, I'm sure he's able to cherry pick enough material to justify the usual smug right wing christian arrogance.
 
2013-07-16 09:22:04 PM  
You messed up the headline. Should be "Miami finalizes solution to eliminate homelessness "
 
2013-07-16 09:23:02 PM  
If these poor people didn't want to go to jail, they should have chosen not to be born with debilitating mental illnesses.
 
2013-07-16 09:23:11 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: [i41.tinypic.com image 425x239]


out-farkin-standing.
 
2013-07-16 09:23:35 PM  

jaylectricity: the number of people living on the streets has dropped from approx. 6000 to 351

They went from an approximate number of homeless people to an oddly specific number. That's telling you they only need to arrest the 351 known homeless people who refuse to go to the shelter.


The aggressive efforts to attach radio collars and ear tags to them early on has really paid off.
 
2013-07-16 09:25:31 PM  
Can't they just follow homeless people around, harass them, and then pick a fight? If the homeless people start winning the fight, they can shoot em. Isn't that how it works in Florida?
 
2013-07-16 09:26:34 PM  

iheartscotch: Sounds like a Fine ol' solution...

/ I bet they will nazi that coming...


It's simply a modest proposal.
 
2013-07-16 09:26:49 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


Either Christians have to admit Jesus was wrong when he advocated helping the less fortunate, or they have to admit he was right and they just don't want to.

FTFA: Sarnoff argues that homeless people in the downtown business district are a "chronic problem." Indeed, as the Miami Herald points out, "Most local shelters are at capacity, meaning police can do little to punish the homeless who urinate in the street or light cooking fires in public parks." Instead of vying for more funding to support the hundreds of homeless people who reside in Miami, Sarnoff's solution is to jail them for living on the streets.

Yes, obviously these folks need punishment. Maybe a day or three in county will teach them to piss/shiat in their pants and eat raw food. That'll show them.

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2013-07-16 09:26:57 PM  
 
2013-07-16 09:27:12 PM  
Yeah, this worked so well in victorian England.

It's the "Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses?" aproach to social services. It keeps the poor properly downtrotten and humiliated.
No wonder the GOP likes, Becaurse it will never happen to them!  ///sarkasm
 
2013-07-16 09:27:41 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?


He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.
 
2013-07-16 09:28:17 PM  
So does this also mean no more sidewalk hot dog or ice cream vendors in Miami?
 
2013-07-16 09:28:27 PM  
you could do the San Francisco model.

step 1. pay them off, let them shiat on the streets.
step 2. ???
step 3. profit!
 
2013-07-16 09:29:07 PM  
We should grind up the homeless in meat grinders and feed them to the other homeless people. Keep doing this until we're left with just one really fat homeless guy. Then we roll that fat homeless guy into a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. Voila! Problem solved.
 
2013-07-16 09:29:11 PM  
Full implementation of Obama death panels, amirite?
 
2013-07-16 09:29:21 PM  
So they are wanting to provide the homeless with 3 meals a day, shower and bathroom facilities, clean clothes, and a nice dry place to sleep? Awesome!
 
2013-07-16 09:29:47 PM  
Lebron wants to increase his property value.
 
2013-07-16 09:29:50 PM  

Riche: Ah, yes.  The land of the free, where we jail a higher percentage of our population than anybody else.

Amazing how the issue of taxpayer cost-- direct and indirect-- almost never comes up when politicians talk about locking people more up.


They are paying for all the homeless one way or another already, if they can convince more homeless to move on to some other city their problems are solved, at least for them, then those displaced homeless become our problem.
 
2013-07-16 09:30:07 PM  
I'm surprised he didn't suggest forced work camps or chain gangs for them
 
2013-07-16 09:30:37 PM  

Z1P2: Weaver95: I wonder if Sarnoff considers himself a 'good christian'....?

He probably is a good Christian, christianity is not synonymous with communism you know. Charity is what is done with private dollars, not tax dollars. You get no credit from god for robbing peter to give to paul.


1/10...I was going to say nice try, but I won't even give you that.
 
2013-07-16 09:30:42 PM  
To be fair, they elected this man to be their governor:

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So why is anyone surprised?
 
2013-07-16 09:31:22 PM  
In the 15 years since Pottinger, the number of people living on the streets has dropped from approximately 6,000 to 351, largely due to more shelters and support.

Miami's headcount of homeless is an exact number, and not an approximated estimate.  Clearly, that program is completely incapable of handling the homeless problem.
 
2013-07-16 09:31:26 PM  

halB: One of the few things holding it back is these consistent homeless people who are really messed up in the head.

So please keep this in mind when talking about this problem.


Yup, jail will fix that. Everyone that goes to the pokey comes out all shiny and new, ready to be productive members of society. That's why recidivism is 0% these days, and our jails and prisons are near-empty.
 
2013-07-16 09:32:14 PM  
The Right Wing has only two answers to any problem:

1. Violence/more guns
2. Make it illegal so we can put them in jail
 
2013-07-16 09:32:25 PM  
On the one hand, trying to penalize people for sleeping or cooking food is bullcrap.

On the other hand, I can understand how the police might get tired of not being able to arrest the same homeless dude who keeps taking a crap in the middle of the alley behind their favorite late-night eats.
 
2013-07-16 09:32:41 PM  
Sounds like big city fascist liberal NIMBYS to me.... See Santa Monica/Dana Point...
 
2013-07-16 09:33:07 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: So they are wanting to provide the homeless with 3 meals a day, shower and bathroom facilities, clean clothes, and a nice dry place to sleep? Awesome!


And more than likely endless beatings and abuse from other inmates, not to mention the loss of freedom.
 
2013-07-16 09:33:52 PM  
Oddly enough, I have no problem with laws against pooping on the sidewalk and starting fires in public parks.
 
2013-07-16 09:34:46 PM  
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

/oblig
 
2013-07-16 09:35:10 PM  
Have Zimmerman shoot them all?
 
2013-07-16 09:35:41 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: I should point out that rich people also aren't allowed to sleep under bridges or on park benches.


I'll bet they can drop a load wherever they please.
 
2013-07-16 09:35:43 PM  

iheartscotch: Iron Felix: To zee camps.

But, I'm le tired!


Well have a nap....THEN ARREST ZE HOMELESS!
 
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